Post what you believe is a contradiction in the Quran and let's see the answers
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Does God need to be served? Does God need anything in fact? No. Does he want to be served? No. That, we may do to other people if we have a pact of any sort with them. God is not a creature, what we do with respect to Him is like nothing we would do for any creature or thing. We may know of the usefulness of anything we do for somebody or something else. We do know God does not need a damned thing from us or from anything or anybody else, but we need to do or be something with respect to Him, for our own sake and what we should do in the first place is acknowledge our true nature and it is that we are contingent creatures who only exist because there is a God that make them exist, and from there follows everything else. God tells us the ways by which we can fulfill our nature. If we want to serve ourselves we will follow God's teachings so that we can live in Reality and not in vain dreamings. We are not solving God's problems or fulfulling His needs, but ours.
We may serve somebody who exacts from us certain services and still dislike that person and feel enmity towards her or him, but we cannot do that with God, that is, we can, but then it will avail us nothing.
Salaam
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Does God need to be served? Does God need anything in fact? No. Does he want to be served? No. That we may do to other people if we have a pact of any sort with them. Gid is not a creature, what we do with respect to Him is like nothing we would do for any creature or thing. We may know of the usefulness of anything we do for somebody or something else. We do know God does not need a damned thing from us or from anything or anybody else, but we need to do or be something with respect to Him, for our own sake and what we should do in the first place is acknowledge our true nature and it is that we are contingent creatures who only exist because there is a God that make them exist, and from there follows everything else. God tell us the ways by which we can fulfill our nature. If we want to serve ourselves we will follow God's teachings so that we can live in Reality and not in vain dreamings. We are not solving God's problems or fulfulling His needs, but ours.
We may serve somebody who exacts from us certain services and still dislike that person and feel enmity towards her or him, but we cannot do that with God, that is, we can, but then it will avail us nothing.
Salaam
Salaam
You did read the article right? Besides i serve God because i want to, i want to be learn from Allah (SWTAY), also because i love & revere The Divine Infinite Creator. Here is a verse 5156 Wama khalaqtu aljinna waal-insailla liyaAAbudooni I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to serve Me.
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It is a matter of how you translate 3-b-d, if you choose to translate serve or worship. Worship is not equal to ritual, which is what some people seem to make it. Ritual is ritual and worship is worship. worship is from the heart and the mind.
If you choose to translate serve, then serve is serve, not serve plus something else. If you translate worship it is just worship, the certainty that you belong to Him that you exist because He makes you existe at every single instant and that if He did not do that you would cease to exist or have existed.
And if you do not "serve" Him, you still serve Him, because He is the one o whom you belong and you are not wronging Him but yourself. So anything you do you do, right or wrong, you do "serve" Him. That is what He created and wanted. But if you worship Him with all your being, you are serving Him equally, but it does not serve you.
Salaam
Salaam
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peace all,
Glorification Allah
praising (alhamdulliah)
remembring (zikar of Allah)
sabeeh Allah
and also serving Allah ( doing anything here mean we are actually doing it in the kingdom of the one who created All this ) so officialy we acknowledge or not it will not change the fact that we are creation and any created thing is totally belong to creator.this word also in urdu and punjabi taken as ibadat mean worshiping by a lip service or actions but in real terms this word is something like a duty how a slave/servant/worker do it to the reporting person(BOSS/MASTER) but obviously God is not human neither he need his servant to make a cup of tea for him or doing rituals etcexample a rich man earn money and was very clingy with the money people think he did not serve creator but infact he indirectly did. whatever he collect will remain at this physical world just ownership will get change. the next owner possibly serve humanity and it reffers to God that serving humanity = serving God as you share the provision of God mean u just did a good caretaking of his providings
every single atom is serving God directly or indirectly willingly or unwillingly
by different modes of actions what i post above one more SubhanAllah -
I doubt that you have any idea whatsoever of what did happen or even of what happens and goes around.
I am not convinced by the number. Why so many women were kept alive by the enemy exactly? I did a bit of research. I pasted them below.
Would you flock now to southern Sudan to help lift up the Country? Woudl you flock to make a living in a completely destroyed country where nothing works nor stands and is militarily occupied?
Shortage of men is very common in war zones. But I have yet to see people wanting polygamy because of that. Even a terrorist organization like ISIS recruits terrorists from other countries. Same was done by the Vietnamese fighting against the US. Meanwhile, majority of the new places have more men first. How did America and Australia manage back in the days? Europe was sending mainly more men than women to those two places. Polygamy does not solve men women ratio because there is no guarantee on the sex of the child. It can?t help the economy either. That kind of system used to be very common in Middle East. Even the richest ones practiced it. But still it did not have any impact on the labor force and they kept bringing foreigners to work in their countries.
If the place is already devastated then polygamy would turn into a burden for any man. How would he afford multiple wives? Sure they can work also, but then how would things be for the children? It would actually make more sense to pass the women around to cut the cost if we take rationality into account. What if the tables are turned? The Indian state I mentioned becomes the result. Not all women can accept gangbang.
A resent deply that you call those people racists that they did not want to mix because if they had wanted they cpould have brought men over. No, they could not. Those few who might come did not come to marry from a people practically without anything to eat, dipossessed of everything by the winners and their backers. Nobody flocks to a country like that except to get the spoils.
The paraguayan people were mixed and they used to get people from many lands too and later on did too, but to imagine that men would go to Paraguay to marry women in the hardest predicaments completely destroyed and their economy destroyed is to be thinking out of this world. It took them many years to recover. YOu have not tought about this with sufficient knowledge or with sufficient understanding, otherwise you would realise how insulting, heartless and overbearing your assumptions are for those who suffered such horror and for any paraguayan of any time. They are the most hospitable, unpretentious and open people.
Actually, they did end up welcoming foreign people
?European and Middle Eastern immigrants began making their way to Paraguay in the decades following the Paraguayan War of 1864-1860 (from 1870 onward). Only 28,000 men and 200,000 women had survived the war, the reason why Paraguay had since then a high rate of illegitimate births. The government pursued a pro-immigration policy in an effort to increase population. Government records indicated that approximately 12,000 immigrants entered the port of Asunci?n between 1882 and 1907, of that total, almost 9,000 came from Italy, Germany, France, and Spain. Migrants also arrived from neighboring Spanish American countries, especially Argentina.?Apparently, conspiracy already exists in the number of people brought to their country
?Analysts also rejected government figures on the number of immigrants from South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan. The 1982 census reported that there were 2,700 Koreans in Paraguay, along with another 1,100 non-Japanese or non-Korean Asian immigrants. The actual number of Koreans and ethnic Chinese, however, was believed to be between 30,000 and 50,000. Virtually all Koreans and ethnic Chinese lived in Ciudad del Este or Asunci?n and played a major role in the importation and sale of electronic goods manufactured in Asia.?https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_ParaguayThen this is about the casualties
After I finished the legwork that went into the last two posts, I discovered two other scholars had gotten there first. In 1988, Vera Blinn Reber took on the idea that Paraguay had lost more than half its population. Her evidence fell into four buckets
We have four decent censuses 1792, 1846, 1886 and 1899. The intercensal growth rates are 1.7%, 0.8%, and 3.1%. The censuses distinguish between native-born and foreign-born populations, so we can strip out immigration, which was anyway near negligible. The numbers given imply a slowdown between 1846 and 1886, but not a catastrophe;
The 1857 census that gave a population of 1.3 million does not exist. It appears to have been a Stalinesque propaganda ploy by the Paraguayan government to frighten its enemies.Once the war broke out, the Paraguayan government undertook a series of annual household surveys for the purposes of taxation and conscription. If we assume a household size of 6.98 people (which is very high by the standards of contemporary Latin American countries, but about what the 1846 census showed) then the population was 370,073 in 1864. It declined to 304,824 by the end of 1867, but that could have been evasion combined with the fact that much of the male population was at war.
Finally, biannual figures on crop production (Paraguay had a remarkably well-organized war economy) show no declines between 1863 and 1867.While she effectively debunked the genocidal claims, her conclusion that Paraguay lost most likely 8% of its population is still largely conjecture. For example, roughly 80,000 Paraguayan men cycled through the armed forces during the war. She posited that it was unlikely that casualty rates could have been much higher than 24,000; roughly 30% of everyone who served.
I am not so sure. For example, the standard figures for Confederate military mortality (including disease) in the U.S. Civil War ranged from 23% to 38%. But when J. David Hacker (Binghampton) used census records to estimate excess male mortality for the 1860s, he found numbers that were more in line with mortality rates of 33% to 54%.
http//noelmaurer.typepad.com/aab/2015/04/the-existing-debate-on-the-paraguayan-war.htmlBut they committed the worst sin they tried to advance and develop and have a strong economy and they were succeeding, so they were crushed.
Apparently, they were at fault. It is also believed that the male casualties number was used by their government to gain emotional support from the world and cover that fault.
Your ideas about south Americans are simply shocking. Pieces of meat... ?For God's sake! It is not only insulting for South American males, but to south American women particularly. Do you think they are idiots and have no guts?
We are surrounded by them.
Just as a side note, the first woman president of a Republic in the World was precisely a South American.
Salaam
Women in leadership position served the "muslim" countries also. But that didn't improve the status of average women there. They say women are equal to men in my country and yet we never had a female president.
Peace
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You can find in internet enaything you wish for, There are millions of pages written on that, particular by written by the victors and their handlers. Given your views, I know that no matter what is said you have already ordered the world past and to come as you say it should be, monogamnous to the dot even if it means its end.
Anothet thing you seem to price a lot is love for marriage. So where is love where you import or export men for owmen who are in shortage (or viceversa if it were the case).
As to people, men and women, coming to Paraguay after, I said so to start with, so you are not discovering anything that nulifies that fact. I do not care how improper you find the number of women who survived the war. It is absurd that you say they were many. They were very few, but since men were almost nil the proportion of women to men was very high, over ten to one. You say they should not have bred. Just those who could catch some 13 year old or some over seventy and the very few in between whould have bred to your liking. If you were there, I am sure nobody would have forced you into marriage, but you were not there. Those who were there were Paraguayan women and they did want children. That to you may be a sin, but they owed nothing to you nor to anybody else nor did they force anybody, so your opinion stays your opinion, and today's Paraguayans who are a very mixed and patriotic people are very proud and grateful of those women who kept the nation alive, and even having many ancestors of foreign origin, they still revere the women of that time and their history.
As to the upkeep of the children... well everywhere in any country there are women who keep up their children even being married or even there being plenty of men around. So when there are no men around it is better for women to live and die childless so that even there won't be anybody to keep them company when they are old and die... Hopeless. On the other hand, Paraguayan women were used to get into business and carry their own undetakings before the war as they have done after. From that point of view tghey were no as helpless, save of course for the fact that ev erything was in shambles and there was nothing to trade or do right after the war. The occupants took everything away.
As to lack of men, the victors did take many Paraguayan men prisoners into slavery into Brazil. Those same Brazilians would then have sent men for Paraguayan women? Nice joke.
You seem to be in the delusion that same number of males and females is guaranteed for ever and for any situation, place or time but as it happens God has not imposed on Himself to keep up such a condition under all time, place or circumstances, even if you will deny to death that that happened and may happen. Monogamy seems to be holier than God.
Fine, you wont get into polgamy even if the world were to end because of it. Fine, you are responsible for yourself, but other people are responsible for themselves and act in their circumstances not in those you imagine for them.
And please do not turn this into me supporting poligamy. I uphold completely the marry the single, except where there are no singles to marry for too many people for it to be feasible. You cannot ask 90% of the people to keep virgin all their life or not to breed, or 80% or any number. Or rather, yes, you can ask them, but do not be disappointed if they do not oblige. If there is a proper way to arrange for families under those conditions, why should the worship monogamy ratgher than family? They are responsible for themselves and nobody should decide for them.
For the few men, many of them maimed in the war, the situation of course was not a comfotable one. Dismal poverty, no future and no help. They did what they could. They lived that time and not a happier or more restful one. But Paraguay, survived, even if monogamy was not worshipped for a little while.
Salaam
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peace, wanted to finalize issue with the magicians different "dialog" was with (3) groups and each converted.
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Does God need to be served? Does God need anything in fact? No. Does he want to be served? No. That, we may do to other people if we have a pact of any sort with them. God is not a creature, what we do with respect to Him is like nothing we would do for any creature or thing. We may know of the usefulness of anything we do for somebody or something else. We do know God does not need a damned thing from us or from anything or anybody else, but we need to do or be something with respect to Him, for our own sake and what we should do in the first place is acknowledge our true nature and it is that we are contingent creatures who only exist because there is a God that make them exist, and from there follows everything else. God tells us the ways by which we can fulfill our nature. If we want to serve ourselves we will follow God's teachings so that we can live in Reality and not in vain dreamings. We are not solving God's problems or fulfulling His needs, but ours.
We may serve somebody who exacts from us certain services and still dislike that person and feel enmity towards her or him, but we cannot do that with God, that is, we can, but then it will avail us nothing.
Salaam
An English translation of the Quran 5156 I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to serve Me.
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An English translation of the Quran 5156 I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to serve Me.
actually u did not get what sister huruf meant to be..
let say human being is not serving God.. and what exactly hes doing= ?
indirectly or directly hes serving God its another matter how you perceive the word "serve" its actually an interpretation of word "ibada" when poet and lyrics makers use this word "ibadat" in songs it totally give us a different meaning than worship
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Peace imrankhawaja.
your wrote below now with added comments
"peace abdun nun (this is not my name (correct - Abdun Nur))
as expected u did not translate that for me but u refer it to another person let me make it easy for the readers
"there is no god except for the one who does not engagge in worship" (this is not a correct quote, you cannot even manage that simple task)
first of all you are relying on someone else interpretation (I know this is hard for you to grasp but references are the key, not who wrote the referenced work, I know this may be a difficult concept for you to get your head around) and moreover the person is not showing the method how he translate (the work is fully referenced). i have a good memory but i want you to remind my nonsense once again you call me half wit (about 2 yrs ago, and two years later nothing has changed) and my nonsense remarks in the first reply of yout post but dnt worry i will not say you a blind follower in return so plz try not to use this langauage again specially when we are dealing complicated things. (do not refute through logical fallacies this makes you look like a retarded moron, instead refute the references that arrive at the meanings, if you are struggling with what a logical fallacy is I can explain, but I would imagine you found not be able to comprehend.)
NOTE i asked from bk anwar lot of times lot of things out of which he hardly give any answer to my questions i feel he is struggling in finding answers" (Is Badar your personal linguistic investigator? otherwise he's very busy doing his job, family life and working on things he finds most pressing)
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"peace abdun nun (this is not my name (correct - Abdun Nur))
ok corrected with brackets {this is not my name (correct - Abdun Nur)} you dnt have manners of using brackets such a manner less attitude i corrected it properly and how you interpret your correct name ?
"there is no god except for the one who does not engagge in worship" (this is not a correct quote, you cannot even manage that simple task)
yeh i did not because after requesting again and again u did not give me the translation so i just put your understanding of word "allah" who does not engagge in worship
now u have a chance to complete this simple task.
(I know this is hard for you to grasp but references are the key, not who wrote the referenced work, I know this may be a difficult concept for you to get your head around) (the work is fully referenced).
so thats what i was asking from him to provide me a method what he apply to his translation by which reference? its very simple
(about 2 yrs ago, and two years later nothing has changed) and my nonsense remarks in the first reply of yout post but dnt worry i will not say you a blind follower in return so plz try not to use this langauage again specially when we are dealing complicated things. (do not refute through logical fallacies this makes you look like a retarded moron, instead refute the references that arrive at the meanings, if you are struggling with what a logical fallacy is I can explain, but I would imagine you found not be able to comprehend.)
now here we Go i was expecting this kind of "burning" attitude from you ...
yes you are right after two years your arrogance did not changed much , say BK anwar to interpret 49 11 for you hope it will help you , i send a ref 2 years ago but i think you dnt beleive in literal translation of 4911 and also not applying on you while talking with other people... do u have any idea how funny it was in that post two years ago... u said me half wit without giving me a reason infact i remember i did not even ask anything from you on that post ,
in my area this attitude is the symbol of madness/insanity if somebody just abuse somebody for no reason..
once an arrogant always an arrogant ..
atleast see the forum rules its in plain english
and yeh forget about logical fallacy learn one important thing from me first i.e
the manner how to reply a post by quoting it how i did it here...(Is Badar your personal linguistic investigator? otherwise he's very busy doing his job, family life and working on things he finds most pressing)
rotfl oh no not mine
he is doing a favor on humanity to provide a correct translation and you are backing him up seems he is your personal ( ) fill the brackets by suitable word whatever fits...NOTE i know more abusive words than u can even imagine. i can also use it here without any fear of getting bullet in my head cox i know u cant send me a bluetooth bullet police ... but i never wanted to use those abusive words
reason is, i atleast understand the message behind 4911 hope you also learn it one day... -
Peace imrankhawaja,
the reference were provided, you have not the interest or ability to use them to verify or refute yet feel able to arrogant pass judgement, you abuse yourself through the utter ignorance of your written comments, i have no need to do or write anything abusive.
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peace Abdul nur (translated as servant of light) am i correct .. ? i write l instead of n does it change any meanings
anyway my post is the cause and effect of the ur words and your arrogant behaviour .. its a human psychology if you say him retarded moron, half wit.. then he will definately say you things in return.. instead of putting flowers in your neck..
remember the newton third law of motion ;D
ok coming back to topic
as expected instead of translating the simple task you again show your natural behaviour..
we started from "there is no God expect ( )" the brackets parts according to BK anwar is Allah mean who doesn?t engage in worship
so i said is it how you translate There is no God ( except the one who doesnt engage in worship) if you think i did not translate it correctly then you can do it for me please.. then we will proceed talk..
i have no need to do or write anything abusive.
you already did it.. ask forgiveness from the one who does not engage in worship peace
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I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp imrankhawaja, but "There is no God." the one who doesn't engage in worship is you, me everyone not your delusional God idea, see how lost you are and so should refrain from comment, it seems you have a limited intellect and commenting becomes pointless, I'm giving you good advice, the mind is like a muscle the less it is used the weaker it becomes, maybe you should start to train your weak mind.
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I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp imrankhawaja, but "There is no God." the one who doesn't engage in worship is you, me everyone not your delusional God idea, see how lost you are and so should refrain from comment, it seems you have a limited intellect and commenting becomes pointless, I'm giving you good advice, the mind is like a muscle the less it is used the weaker it becomes, maybe you should start to train your weak mind.
Red is there any mention of that in Quran? Blue Please don't be like that, that could cause a quarrel.
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Salam dear brother Noon in that verse the arabic word illa (ا is used as a restriction particle. I got that info from Quranix.org. What does that mean brother Noon?
Salam Noon sorry if i sound demanding but i'm still waiting for my answer. Take your time though.
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@ sardar " some people have no manners whatsoever you tell them it will not change their state of arrogance" they are deaf dumb and blind due to the disease what they have in their heart"
@ Abdun nur
so here we have a new translation
there is no God except ( me you and everybody)
elektro
go home mate get some haircut done. may b cold air will change ur intellect
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Salam Noon sorry if i sound demanding but i'm still waiting for my answer. Take your time though.
peace, ill/except/apart from/but/only/other than -- appears 600+ times use "context" same meaning as first appearance...
28 and among the humankind who speaketh believe we of in the god and in the day the last and not themselves are believers 29 deceiving the god and the ones believes they of and not deceiving ill/except souls theirs/themselves and not realizing 210 in hearts theirs illness so enhanced them the god illness of and for them punishment dire in what be they of lying
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peace, ill/except/apart from/but/only/other than -- appears 600+ times use "context" same meaning as first appearance...
28 and among the humankind who speaketh believe we of in the god and in the day the last and not themselves are believers 29 deceiving the god and the ones believes they of and not deceiving ill/except souls theirs/themselves and not realizing 210 in hearts theirs illness so enhanced them the god illness of and for them punishment dire in what be they of lying
Blue Isn't the arabic word for only is inna?
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By the way that i forgot to mention that Proto-Indoeuropean root word was from brother/sister Aries https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609658.30
Well expect this part of course which is this
Personally i believe it's ged- because there are verses in Quran that speak about Allah (SWTAY) unites us like in 3103 & 863.
3103WaiAAtasimoo bihabliAllahi jameeAAan wala tafarraqoo waothkurooniAAmata Allahi AAalaykum ith kuntum aAAdaanfaallafa bayna quloobikum faasbahtum biniAAmatihiikhwanan wakuntum AAala shafa hufratinmina alnnari faanqathakum minha kathalikayubayyinu Allahu lakum ayatihi laAAallakumtahtadoona
And hold firmly to the rope of God, all of you, and do not be separated. And remember the blessing of God upon you when you were enemies and He united your hearts. Then you became, with His blessing, brothers; and you were on the edge of a pit of fire and He saved you from it; it is thus that God clarifies for you His signs that you may be guided.863
Waallafa bayna quloobihim law anfaqta mafee al-ardi jameeAAan ma allafta bayna quloobihimwalakinna Allaha allafa baynahum innahu AAazeezun hakeemun
And He made unity between their hearts. And if you had spent all that is on the earth, you would not have united between their hearts, but God united between them. He is Noble, Wise.Just letting you know i am not linguistic expert the Arabic language. So i leave it the experts like Noon or Imran. Salamun Aleykum. group group
