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Post what you believe is a contradiction in the Quran and let's see the answers

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    Abdun_Nur
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    Peace imrankhawaja,

    the reference were provided, you have not the interest or ability to use them to verify or refute yet feel able to arrogant pass judgement, you abuse yourself through the utter ignorance of your written comments, i have no need to do or write anything abusive.

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      imrankhawaja
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      peace Abdul nur (translated as servant of light) am i correct .. ? i write l instead of n does it change any meanings

      anyway my post is the cause and effect of the ur words and your arrogant behaviour .. its a human psychology if you say him retarded moron, half wit.. then he will definately say you things in return.. instead of putting flowers in your neck..

      remember the newton third law of motion ;D

      ok coming back to topic

      as expected instead of translating the simple task you again show your natural behaviour..

      we started from "there is no God expect ( )" the brackets parts according to BK anwar is Allah mean who doesn?t engage in worship

      so i said is it how you translate There is no God ( except the one who doesnt engage in worship) if you think i did not translate it correctly then you can do it for me please.. then we will proceed talk..

      i have no need to do or write anything abusive.

      you already did it.. ask forgiveness from the one who does not engage in worship peace

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        Abdun_Nur
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        I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp imrankhawaja, but "There is no God." the one who doesn't engage in worship is you, me everyone not your delusional God idea, see how lost you are and so should refrain from comment, it seems you have a limited intellect and commenting becomes pointless, I'm giving you good advice, the mind is like a muscle the less it is used the weaker it becomes, maybe you should start to train your weak mind.

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          The_Sardar
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          I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp imrankhawaja, but "There is no God." the one who doesn't engage in worship is you, me everyone not your delusional God idea, see how lost you are and so should refrain from comment, it seems you have a limited intellect and commenting becomes pointless, I'm giving you good advice, the mind is like a muscle the less it is used the weaker it becomes, maybe you should start to train your weak mind.

          Red is there any mention of that in Quran? Blue Please don't be like that, that could cause a quarrel.

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            The_Sardar
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            Salam dear brother Noon in that verse the arabic word illa (&#1575 is used as a restriction particle. I got that info from Quranix.org. What does that mean brother Noon?

            Salam Noon sorry if i sound demanding but i'm still waiting for my answer. Take your time though.

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              imrankhawaja
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              @ sardar " some people have no manners whatsoever you tell them it will not change their state of arrogance" they are deaf dumb and blind due to the disease what they have in their heart"

              @ Abdun nur

              so here we have a new translation

              there is no God except ( me you and everybody)

              elektro

              go home mate get some haircut done. may b cold air will change ur intellect
              rotfl ( hmm) rotfl

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                Noon_waalqalami
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                Salam Noon sorry if i sound demanding but i'm still waiting for my answer. Take your time though.

                peace, ill/except/apart from/but/only/other than -- appears 600+ times use "context" same meaning as first appearance...

                28 and among the humankind who speaketh believe we of in the god and in the day the last and not themselves are believers 29 deceiving the god and the ones believes they of and not deceiving ill/except souls theirs/themselves and not realizing 210 in hearts theirs illness so enhanced them the god illness of and for them punishment dire in what be they of lying

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                  The_Sardar
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                  peace, ill/except/apart from/but/only/other than -- appears 600+ times use "context" same meaning as first appearance...

                  28 and among the humankind who speaketh believe we of in the god and in the day the last and not themselves are believers 29 deceiving the god and the ones believes they of and not deceiving ill/except souls theirs/themselves and not realizing 210 in hearts theirs illness so enhanced them the god illness of and for them punishment dire in what be they of lying

                  Blue Isn't the arabic word for only is inna?

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                    The_Sardar
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                    By the way that i forgot to mention that Proto-Indoeuropean root word was from brother/sister Aries https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609658.30

                    Well expect this part of course which is this

                    Personally i believe it's ged- because there are verses in Quran that speak about Allah (SWTAY) unites us like in 3103 & 863.
                    3103

                    WaiAAtasimoo bihabliAllahi jameeAAan wala tafarraqoo waothkurooniAAmata Allahi AAalaykum ith kuntum aAAdaanfaallafa bayna quloobikum faasbahtum biniAAmatihiikhwanan wakuntum AAala shafa hufratinmina alnnari faanqathakum minha kathalikayubayyinu Allahu lakum ayatihi laAAallakumtahtadoona
                    And hold firmly to the rope of God, all of you, and do not be separated. And remember the blessing of God upon you when you were enemies and He united your hearts. Then you became, with His blessing, brothers; and you were on the edge of a pit of fire and He saved you from it; it is thus that God clarifies for you His signs that you may be guided.

                    863

                    Waallafa bayna quloobihim law anfaqta mafee al-ardi jameeAAan ma allafta bayna quloobihimwalakinna Allaha allafa baynahum innahu AAazeezun hakeemun
                    And He made unity between their hearts. And if you had spent all that is on the earth, you would not have united between their hearts, but God united between them. He is Noble, Wise.

                    Just letting you know i am not linguistic expert the Arabic language. So i leave it the experts like Noon or Imran. Salamun Aleykum. group group

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                      Abdun_Nur
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                      Peace imrankhawaja,

                      now is it good manners to continually miss quote someone, then you are surprised when they point out you are unintelligent?

                      quote - "so here we have a new translation

                      there is no God except ( me you and everybody)" this is why you are taken as an imbecile no other reason.

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                        owlwithbow
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                        Umm by the way guys, quranix.org doesn't use correct arabic grammar.

                        I was talking to a Sunni until he told me that the Arabic verse i shared with them wasn't even written correctly. What a bummer, there did my chance go.

                        So don't use quranix.org as evidence since it's arabic is a little off.

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          peace Abdun nur

                          members can clearly see who is unintelligent and confuse.

                          his first claim Allah = who doesnt engage in worship
                          his sec claim Allah = me and you and everybody
                          waiting for third =

                          height of ignorance

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                            Noon_waalqalami
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                            Blue Isn't the arabic word for only is inna?

                            inna "indeed"

                            anna ?an inna / that indeed"

                            an "lest/that" (use context)

                            in "if/not" (use context)

                            see prior examples, one group of magicians asked...

                            7113 and came the magicians Firaun said they of inna/indeed for us surely reward of if be we are we the victors?
                            7114 said yes and surely you surely among the near being

                            while another group asked...

                            2641 so when came the magicians said they of to Firaun is there for us surely reward of if be we are we the victors?
                            2642 said yes and surely you then surely among the near being

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                              The_Sardar
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                              peace Abdun nur

                              members can clearly see who is unintelligent and confuse.

                              his first claim Allah = who doesnt engage in worship
                              his sec claim Allah = me and you and everybody
                              waiting for third =

                              height of ignorance

                              More like confusion to be honest. No offense brother Abdun Nur.

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                                The_Sardar
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                                inna "indeed"

                                anna ?an inna / that indeed"

                                an "lest/that" (use context)

                                in "if/not" (use context)

                                see prior examples, one group of magicians asked...

                                7113 and came the magicians Firaun said they of inna/indeed for us surely reward of if be we are we the victors?
                                7114 said yes and surely you surely among the near being

                                while another group asked...

                                2641 so when came the magicians said they of to Firaun is there for us surely reward of if be we are we the victors?
                                2642 said yes and surely you then surely among the near being

                                i think you forgot inna ma.

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                                  The_Sardar
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                                  i think you forgot inna ma.

                                  Unless you had that in a reply i might have missed.

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                                    Noon_waalqalami
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                                    Unless you had that in a reply i might have missed.

                                    Depending on context innam in "English" could be rendered as ?only? or ?rather? or ?simply? or "on (or quite) the contrary" as denial of what has been stated...

                                    211 and when told for them not thou corrupt ye of in the land said they of innam rather/simply we who conciliators being

                                    Likewise depending on context can also mean ...

                                    777 innam "indeed what" thou promise being surely befalls
                                    6134 inna/indeed m/what thou promise being sure to come and not are you in escape

                                    Back to topic the encounter with magicians and different dialog appears that in retelling the story it's using ?partial quotes? in some verses which is OK and likewise since it's a translation of the language spoken at the time into Arabic certain words can be rendered different similar as in the example innam that we did above e.g.

                                    7109-110 said the council of from folk Firaun ? indeed this surely magician knower intend that evicted you from land yours so what thou directing??
                                    2634-35 said to the council of around him? indeed this surely magician knower intend that evicted you from land yours with magic his so what thou directing??

                                    OK partial quote when retelling the story.

                                    7113 and came the magicians Firaun said they of ? indeed for us surely reward of if be we we are the victors??
                                    2641 so when came the magicians said they of to Firaun ? is there for us surely reward of if be we we are the victors??

                                    Language spoken at the time words can be translated as either into Arabic.

                                    7114 said ? yes and surely you surely among the near being?
                                    2642 said ? yes and surely you then surely among the near being?

                                    OK partial quote when retelling the story.

                                    Need to open separate thread on this entire episode when time permits.

                                    Peace

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                                      The_Sardar
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                                      Umm by the way guys, quranix.org doesn't use correct arabic grammar.

                                      I was talking to a Sunni until he told me that the Arabic verse i shared with them wasn't even written correctly. What a bummer, there did my chance go.

                                      So don't use quranix.org as evidence since it's arabic is a little off.

                                      Bold Italic Has he shown any evidence of what he said?

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