Traditional (Sunnis) dominating Dawah?
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Salaam 'Alaikum!
Why are the Traditional (Mainly Sunnis) are more advance in the field of dawah? We see highly qualified da'ees are from Traditional (mainly sunnis). Infact, there are many Non Muslims accepting Islam due to these daees. What is the reason that there is no great dayees among the "Quran Alone" followers? -X
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The dayees are capturing people's minds by guaranteeing them jannah through rituals and daawah.
Those so called qualified people leave their wives and kids for months for daawah in foreign countries. Surprisingly people from those foreign countries come to their countries for daawah. -
Organized religion are more organized.
Well funded, well structured, well backed by political power <-- This is a key.
As such they can fund $$$ to support Preachers, Missionaries, Da'e.Yet that IS the root cause of the problem, organized religion, regardless of what they are.(Sunniism by Saudi, Shiaism by Iran, Catholicism by Rome Catholic Church, Kimism by North Korea etc..)
If "Quran Alone" want to beat other organized religion at their own game, then "Quran Alone" need to be an organized religion. More organized, more funded and backed by political power more powerful and meaner than any other organized religion.
The Organized Religion of Sunniism and Shiaism will be replaced by another organized religion of "Quran Alone". Stronger and meaner than the other two...
As such, the problem persist... and we will be back to square 1.
As similitude, this is the same as replacing a dictator with new dictator, replacing Louis XVI with Napoleon, replacing Romanov Tsar with Stalin, replacing a Shah with Ayatollah.
The problem of "Religion" (any organized religion) is on the MINDSET.
You cannot solve the problem caused by religion by creating another (stronger) religion.There's a saying in french
"Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose"
The more it changes, the more it?s stay the same... -
If "Quran Alone" want to beat other organized religion at their own game, then "Quran Alone" need to be an organized religion. More organized, more funded and backed by political power more powerful and meaner than any other organized religion.
I agree Shafi was able to get his religion canonized with the support of political power of the time. What is the solution then? We are social beings and need a system to run a society.
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I agree Shafi was able to get his religion canonized with the support of political power of the time. What is the solution then?
Solution for what? Sunnis dominating dawah?
It's NOT a problem..... let them...The principle Truth doesn't need any protection, it just need to be told...
The way forward
- Ensure freedom of opinion, freedom of thought and belief. Yes including the freedom of sunnis (or other group that you hate the most) to have their own differing opinion/thought/belief than you.
- Eradicate 'fear' from the minds of the people, because this is how usually religion works; manipulating human through FEAR. Your opinion don't concur with The Supreme Leader's opinion, you will be punished! Secret police will came to your home, kidnap you and put you into labor camp. (or God will be angry and torture you for all eternity after you die if you don't believe in something)
- Once fear being eradicated, common sense and conscience shall shine through.
We are social beings and need a system to run a society.
The majority of 'justice / court system' being applied today is ALREADY NOT based on a specific organized religion dogma or holy book but based on agreement within the society voted through public discussion and debate.
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Peace Armom.
This is simple, there is no "dawah" to any religion according to Qoran.
there is only "Dawah" to GOD Alone. (Wa Iduu Ila Rabbic Innaka...).
Basically there is no religion to do Dawah for!!!! GOD s system is one and the same for all mankind.
Yes brother it is GOD who calls for His one and only religion/deen/system.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Peace Armom.
This is simple, there is no "dawah" to any religion according to Qoran.
there is only "Dawah" to GOD Alone. (Wa Iduu Ila Rabbic Innaka...).
Basically there is no religion to do Dawah for!!!! GOD s system is one and the same for all mankind.
Yes brother it is GOD who calls for His one and only religion/deen/system.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Exactly. God does not want us to be divided. He wants us all to hold firm to His rope that unites us through faith in God. Inviting others to serve God is essential. It is what the messengers' job was.
16125 Call/invite (ad'u) to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord is fully aware of who has erred from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.
12108 Say, "This is my path. I call/invite (ad'u) to God with insight, myself and whoever follows me. Glory be to God. I am not of those who set up partners."
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The principle Truth doesn't need any protection, it just need to be told...
The way forward
- Ensure freedom of opinion, freedom of thought and belief. Yes including the freedom of sunnis (or other group that you hate the most) to have their own differing opinion/thought/belief than you.
- Eradicate 'fear' from the minds of the people, because this is how usually religion works; manipulating human through FEAR. Your opinion don't concur with The Supreme Leader's opinion, you will be punished! Secret police will came to your home, kidnap you and put you into labor camp. (or God will be angry and torture you for all eternity after you die if you don't believe in something)
- Once fear being eradicated, common sense and conscience shall shine through.
The majority of 'justice / court system' being applied today is ALREADY NOT based on a specific organized religion dogma or holy book but based on agreement within the society voted through public discussion and debate.
Thank you Jaffer. It makes sense but not possible in muslim world which is ruled by religions.
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Thank you Jaffer. It makes sense but not possible in muslim world which is ruled by religions.
Not possible in ANY 'world' ruled by religion.
Where religion = DOGMATIC doctrine.
Dogma = enforced idea, belief where questioning the validity of such idea / belief will be heavily punished.
Dogma is being enforced through FEAR.Kimism in North Korea is a religion.
Stalinism in Soviet Union was a religion.But look around, how religions everywhere are crumbling as we speak...
The key to make a religion crumble is to take away the FEAR from it's subject.
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Peace Armom.
This is simple, there is no "dawah" to any religion according to Qoran.
there is only "Dawah" to GOD Alone. (Wa Iduu Ila Rabbic Innaka...).
Basically there is no religion to do Dawah for!!!! GOD s system is one and the same for all mankind.
Yes brother it is GOD who calls for His one and only religion/deen/system.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Yes, even if you say Dawah to God. But The system/religion which is only accepted in the sight of God is Islam (Submitting your will to God). And Allah says us to invite all to the way of God with wisdom and beautiful preaching and debate with them with the way that is most gracious.
So I meant to say, the work done to call towards God are mostly done by the Sunnis (for ex. Shaykh Deedat, Dr Naik, Bilal Phillips etc..)
We can see many people leaving statue worship, human worship and turning to God worshipping..So my point is, why we don't see any great dayee who follows "Quran alone" and invites people to worship God alone?
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Not possible in ANY 'world' ruled by religion.
Where religion = DOGMATIC doctrine.
Dogma = enforced idea, belief where questioning the validity of such idea / belief will be heavily punished.
Dogma is being enforced through FEAR.Kimism in North Korea is a religion.
Stalinism in Soviet Union was a religion.But look around, how religions everywhere are crumbling as we speak...
The key to make a religion crumble is to take away the FEAR from it's subject.
Peace brother,
Then why do Allah make us FEAR of FIRE and Day of Judgement? & -
Peace brother,
Then why do Allah make us FEAR of FIRE and Day of Judgement? &Why do someone terrorize you with horrible torture (boiled guts, speared arses, burnt skin etc..) for all eternity for
- Not believing in the same believe as he/she/them.
- Not agreeing to the same opinion as he/she/them.
While the True God is all powerful, he doesn't need the above gruesome method to make something (let alone a puny species called human) do things as He wishes, believe in things as He wanted to, voicing an opinion as He wishes to.
Even a cell will not split if not in the way and at the time that He intended.
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Why do someone terrorize you with horrible torture (boiled guts, speared arses, burnt skin etc..) for all eternity for
- Not believing in the same believe as he/she/them.
- Not agreeing to the same opinion as he/she/them.
While the True God is all powerful, he doesn't need the above gruesome method to make something (let alone a puny species called human) do things as He wishes, believe in things as He wanted to, voicing an opinion as He wishes to.
Even a cell will not split if not in the way and at the time that He intended.
That's right, but God also says very strict stuffs to the disbelievers and painful punishment. We even don't know what's "Painful" is to God. It can be hundred times or thousand time or even more worse. So why is God threatens to punish if you don't believe?
In Surah Naba, there is some descriptions of how painful will be God's punishment &
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That's right, but God also says very strict stuffs to the disbelievers and painful punishment. We even don't know what's "Painful" is to God. It can be hundred times or thousand time or even more worse. So why is God threatens to punish if you don't believe?
In Surah Naba, there is some descriptions of how painful will be God's punishment &
Ponder it out yourselves... as I said; they try to control you through FEAR..
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but yourselves can free your own minds.
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I get it, but my question why is God too controlling us through FEAR?
The answer is God has full control over everything and God doesn't control you through FEAR.
When Abdul is trying to control Laura through FEAR it is an evidence that Abdul doesn't have control over Laura.
You never try to control your own hands through FEAR right? because you have full control over it...
Until you hit with a parkinson disease and you start losing control over your own hand, it frustrate you and only on those moment you will experience anger, frustration and try yelling and shouting and threatening your own hands...But don't trust me over it.. like I said ponder it out yourselves..
None but yourselves can free your own mind...Usually once fear was taken away, conscience and common sense shall shine through...
Yet another hindrance to conscience and common sense is EGO.. you need to control that too... -
I get it, but my question why is God too controlling us through FEAR?
I think you first have to reflect on ayats talking about jannah and jahannum. Are they physical places? Is jannah a state of bliss and continuation of growth of self (nafs) in next realm? Is jahannam a barrier to growth of self (nafs) in next realm? Is not our purpose in this life to give zaka to our selves (nafs)? 917-10
God has informed us results of our actions in this world. We are creating jannah or jahannum for ourselves in the next realm by our actions in this realm.
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I guess education instead of blind following is the key to take the fear away.
"A lie told often enough becomes the truth."
-- Vladimir LeninCritical thinking method in educational system is key.
As Dogma usually being thought within educational system.
From North Korean government school, Sunday School to Madrasa... the same method are being applied
Known as "Rote learning" system, where the teacher cannot do no wrong and the students are passive participant with obligation to memorize concept / idea based on repetition.Yet I've seen some 'progressive method' being applied, both in educational system for early childhood and big corporation trainings. Where the instructor deliberately insert some falsehood here and there, to see which students capable of detecting it.
But instead of scolding them because the student point out some mistakes to the instructor, the instructor give them a reward.
This method is also beneficial to also detect which students truly grasp the concept or just parroting along or just doesn't care to the materials being presented...
Nonetheless such method will foster the critical thinking ability of the students. -
I think you first have to reflect on ayats talking about jannah and jahannum. Are they physical places? Is jannah a state of bliss and continuation of growth of self (nafs) in next realm? Is jahannam a barrier to growth of self (nafs) in next realm? Is not our purpose in this life to give zaka to our selves (nafs)? 917-10
God has informed us results of our actions in this world. We are creating jannah or jahannum for ourselves in the next realm by our actions in this realm.
But it's true that God is also giving us FEAR right? Because if He isn't giving us FEAR why do He speak about dangerous punishments?
If I tell you, if you don't believe I'll burn you in Fire, so in order to not burn in Fire you will believe right? And that's what God too saying that if you disbelieve and die you will burn in Hell.