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    good_logic
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    Peace Armom.
    Why do we see "preaching to a certain religion" as necessary?
    Is this not a human invention/fabrication to divide themselves into factions/tribes/mine is better than yours...?
    Is the truth not universal and unique? Has GOD not given us the "Fitra" to recognise the truth?
    Therefore a change of attitude/wavelength/different way of using our faculties is required!!!!

    The truth does not need to be preached or defended or...The truth stands out to anyone who is willing to change their attitude/dogma/following blindly...etc.
    GOD said "we go back to Him as individuals" and clarified for us that "The faculties-eyes, ears, brain...- are accountable for!
    Those who search for GOD and the truth will find it regardless of who is preaching what.
    However I agree that we shall question/debate/challenge certain views and strive to find this truth by challenging what is clear falsehood once we have evidence/are aware of it.
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      Novice
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      But it's true that God is also giving us FEAR right? Because if He isn't giving us FEAR why do He speak about dangerous punishments?

      If I tell you, if you don't believe I'll burn you in Fire, so in order to not burn in Fire you will believe right? And that's what God too saying that if you disbelieve and die you will burn in Hell.

      Brother I guess you did not get my point. Will God throw us in jahannum if we dont believe or we will see the consequences of not following God's guidance. Jannah and jahannum starts right here in this world as the results of our doing can impact us here as well.

      My understanding at this time is that our nafs will not grow further in the next realm if we go against the guidance in this world.

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        Cerberus
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        It only makes them grow in number and pride. Not really a parameter of success.

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          huruf
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          love is not won by inspiring fear, but on the other hand fear is a healthy feeling, just like pain is a useful feeling, through fear and pain we are warned of danger. To take heed of warnings is intelligent, to react through fear without being aware of the danger is cowardice. It is up to us to assess the dangers and to act accordingly.

          God approaches us with his names of beauty, The Merciful, the loving, the Tender... so many. If we corrrespond, tht is so fine for us. But if not He warns, He knows and He warns, that is the othe rface of the names of Beauty, those are the names of Majesty, if we do not approach Him out of love, of gratefulness, He tells us, He is the master, the owner the creator, he can do whatever he likes and he created us so that we have a run, a path that we must go to get back to Him. He just tells us. That is simple, it is in the fatiha guide us to the ascending path, the path of those you showed you benvolence, not the path of those to whom you showed your anger nor of those who strayed.

          That is why we ask for guidance, fear is part of the guidance and we chose which way we choose, to wander or to suffer or to go upward with ease.

          It is like if we have a loved person do we anger her betraying her, being rude, disrespecting her or do we please her being grateful, being appreciative, giving her our best? We know she may get angry, should we find it unfair that she "tries" to win us inspiring us fear of her, or is she just warning us? Don't we want to believe her warnings because that is like cowering us? Whatever we like to think, it is our risk and we should be self-living enough to seek the bet for us.

          Salaam

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            Jafar
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            love is not won by inspiring fear, but on the other hand fear is a healthy feeling, just like pain is a useful feeling, through fear and pain we are warned of danger. To take heed of warnings is intelligent, to react through fear without being aware of the danger is cowardice. It is up to us to assess the dangers and to act accordingly.

            Fear is natural, and IS the most highly prioritized emotion recognized by human brain.
            And that is not the main issue..

            The main issue is controlling other people through FEAR.
            Again it is THE MOST EFFECTIVE method for those who doesn't have control over other people to gain control over other people.

            FEAR has clearly proven to be able to suppress conscience and common sense...
            From Egyptian Pharaoh to Akkadian religion, Semitic Religion (Judaism, Xtians, Islam) to Nazi Germany to modern day's North Korea. The list are endless....

            A modern day's psychological experiment proved that FEAR successfully suppress conscience and common sense 99% of the time. A very very high success rate... nearly perfect..

            You will say / believe anything that somebody wishes if he/she have a gun pointed at your head... or being threatened by impalement, crucifixion, burn to death or other horrible torture...

            Ensure freedom of opinion / belief, free people from FEAR on using, engaging and voicing his / her own conscience and common sense. There will definitely be diversity of opinion, that's normal and HEALTHY. All opinion / belief that being voiced might not all be true.. as each human has their own ego and 'vested interest'... yet truth shall eventually prevail..

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              imrankhawaja
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              FEAR cause lot of direct psychological affects

              FEAR of loss is a common example what we can see randomly in different people ,most of the cases when we lose something or someone

              fear of getting defame caused lot of people to finish their lives

              fear is very dangerous if we are unaware of its parameters..

              fear must be handle with care..

              as far i experience self confidence is best cure of fear .. but in some cases we lose and losing ourselves mean losing our self confidence..
              fear shall prevail again...

              so confidence in universal God.. is the best thing to come over fear = YOUR confidence on supreme being

              but we are trained by fear since childhood .. fear of cat, fear of dog, fear of Ghost, vampire..

              fear of angry elder brother sister,uncle aunty..

              fear of lowly character teacher who beat the shit out of students just because her wife is not treating him well in house rotfl (btw its the story of one of my teacher) he used to beat students every single day without any reason.. one day i was installed that fear inside me and i make my plan to leave the school where i studied 10 years but rotfl rotfl he get accident and get his legs and hands f..d.. rotfl rotfl cause and effect .. God give him a lesson of life time.. but that piece of shit never learnt from that lesson untill he was accused of molesting his teenage student which eventually caused him to get kicked out from the school...

              now some people are trying to install the fear of God in humans. i m not sure how loving God will gona deal with them in the end..( i just dnt understand why i get scare when i think about the punishment of hell)

              a child hear "NO" more than 5000 times in his first 3 years lol ..

              we should teach our kids to be brave instead of fear if they fully put their confidence on God..

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                armom
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                love is not won by inspiring fear, but on the other hand fear is a healthy feeling, just like pain is a useful feeling, through fear and pain we are warned of danger. To take heed of warnings is intelligent, to react through fear without being aware of the danger is cowardice. It is up to us to assess the dangers and to act accordingly.

                God approaches us with his names of beauty, The Merciful, the loving, the Tender... so many. If we corrrespond, tht is so fine for us. But if not He warns, He knows and He warns, that is the othe rface of the names of Beauty, those are the names of Majesty, if we do not approach Him out of love, of gratefulness, He tells us, He is the master, the owner the creator, he can do whatever he likes and he created us so that we have a run, a path that we must go to get back to Him. He just tells us. That is simple, it is in the fatiha guide us to the ascending path, the path of those you showed you benvolence, not the path of those to whom you showed your anger nor of those who strayed.

                That is why we ask for guidance, fear is part of the guidance and we chose which way we choose, to wander or to suffer or to go upward with ease.

                It is like if we have a loved person do we anger her betraying her, being rude, disrespecting her or do we please her being grateful, being appreciative, giving her our best? We know she may get angry, should we find it unfair that she "tries" to win us inspiring us fear of her, or is she just warning us? Don't we want to believe her warnings because that is like cowering us? Whatever we like to think, it is our risk and we should be self-living enough to seek the bet for us.

                Salaam

                Thank you for your explanation!

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                  armom
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                  Coming to the main question, why there are no to little dayees who follow only Quran as their guidance and reply to all the false allegations that people are throwing at us? We mostly see people from Sunnis are replying to the allegations made by the non muslims against us.

                  Why are not the people of the Quran defending and replying to the false allegations openly?

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                    good_logic
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                    Peace Armom.

                    There is nothing to defend . GOD is aware of everything and we should be aware that Qoran and GOD s way does not need attack or defence ,it is to be applied to our lives as individuals.
                    For me, I need my ways and behaviour to be the "Dawah" to GOD.
                    It will be hypocrisy of me to call to something I am not fully aware of or I am in the process of searching to improve my life and character.
                    Of course I talk to people and on line about my views and spirituality and I am proud to do so ,I call to GOD Alone in public and in private ,but I respect the choice of others.
                    There is more to learn by all of us. GOD will do the rest, if it is His will to use us .
                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

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                      armom
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                      Peace Armom.

                      There is nothing to defend . GOD is aware of everything and we should be aware that Qoran and GOD s way does not need attack or defence ,it is to be applied to our lives as individuals.
                      For me, I need my ways and behaviour to be the "Dawah" to GOD.
                      It will be hypocrisy of me to call to something I am not fully aware of or I am in the process of searching to improve my life and character.
                      Of course I talk to people and on line about my views and spirituality and I am proud to do so ,I call to GOD Alone in public and in private ,but I respect the choice of others.
                      There is more to learn by all of us. GOD will do the rest, if it is His will to use us .
                      GOD bless you.
                      Peace.

                      You are right.

                      But, do you know in many places if you stop those dawah work people starts doing bad things and leaving God's way? because i have witnessed some situations like that. People were far away from God because of no one invited them.

                      I heard some christians says "Why didn't you come to me before, my parents could have survived hell fire" in sadness.

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                        Jafar
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                        I heard some christians says "Why didn't you come to me before, my parents could have survived hell fire" in sadness.

                        Their parents already burnt in hell fire???? confused confused

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                          Their parents already burnt in hell fire???? confused confused

                          rotfl

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                            armom
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                            Their parents already burnt in hell fire???? confused confused

                            Lol no. That means if "Muslims" reached them before they could save their parents from worshiping humans/idols. pr

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                              Jafar
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                              Lol no. That means if "Muslims" reached them before they could save their parents from worshiping humans/idols. pr

                              And "Muslims" doesn't worshiped humans/idols??

                              Only my religion shall have it's member saved from eternal torture of hellfire.
                              Thus converting them to my religion is an act of saving them, it also justify the use of force, if it's necessary.

                              This delusional mindset which exist predominantly (only) in Christianity and Islam indicates a strong link of relationship between the two to the extent it also qualifies to grouped them both together as 'one religion'. Islam is the next evolutionary stage of Christianity or in short Christianity 2.0.

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