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    TellMeTheTruth
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    Hi,

    bkanwar2 "Yaum, in Arabic really means time in absolute sense. Which means it has no beginning or end. Therefore, Yaum is translated as eternal to reflect its real meanings. Its meaning as day and night what we know as day is a conventionally accepted meaning. Its meaning from dawn to sunset as day is its legal meanings. "

    As far as I know Time is in Arabic. Furthermore, I believe that Only Allah is eternal. Time is His creation.

    And who legalizes the meanings?

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      bkanwar2
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      As far as I know Time is in Arabic. Furthermore, I believe that Only Allah is eternal. Time is His creation.

      Hence, a command over broad knowledge base is commanded and emphasized. is used for an appointed. You really need to understand these concepts and how these relate and differ from each other. Following links may help you to accomplish this goal.

      http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000212.pdf
      http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000318.pdf

      Stay well,

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        TellMeTheTruth
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        Hi BKANWAR2!

        You have not answered my question that "Who legalizes the meanings".

        Regards,

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          HP_TECH
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          Kill thyself

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            The_Sardar
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            Kill thyself

            HP_TECH what are you saying?!

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              HP_TECH
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              The one who shamelessly claims he can bring a surah like one Allah has revealed and strives to change the words of Allah and is deluded into thinking he can give full explanation of the Book with an interpretation he pulls out of his own ass should
              without hesitation put his ego to the sword and "kill himself".

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                The_Sardar
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                The one who shamelessly claims he can bring a surah like one Allah has revealed and strives to change the words of Allah and is deluded into thinking he can give full explanation of the Book with an interpretation he pulls out of his own ass should
                without hesitation put his ego to the sword and "kill himself".

                Even you meant it figuratively, the message would still be unrepresented.

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                  HP_TECH
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                  Take it how you want it.
                  I despise people as such.
                  They are the cause of the derision by the sectarians.
                  Those are hypocrites among us.
                  They claim to have faith but they are boastful and arrogant and seek their own interpretation and recognition for their deluded uniqueness.
                  Uff to all of them. Al-Mushrik

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                    The_Sardar
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                    Take it how you want it.
                    I despise people as such.
                    They are the cause of the derision by the sectarians.
                    Those are hypocrites among us.
                    They claim to have faith but they are boastful and arrogant and seek their own interpretation and recognition for their deluded uniqueness.
                    Uff to all of them. Al-Mushrik

                    I don't like these hypocrites as well but still telling them "kill thyself" won't make it better. Simply expose them and they will fell the "burn".

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                      bkanwar2
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                      Hi BKANWAR2!

                      You have not answered my question that "Who legalizes the meanings".

                      Regards,

                      At current times meanings can be selected or if you prefer term legalization, it is done based upon context of meaning of other words and verses and bigger understanding of of message of Quran

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                        Mazhar
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                        http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/001.%20Al%20Fateha/1.01a.gif

                        Statistical Information

                        1. Preposition 1 Inseparable preposition

                        2. All words are Nouns 4 (i) One common noun (ii) Two Proper Nouns; (iii) One Hyperbolic Participle/Intensive Adjective

                        3. Prepositional Phrase 1

                        4. Possessive Phrase 1

                        5. Adjectival Phrase 1

                        6. Grammatical Units 2

                        Features
                        Elliptical sentence
                        Simple; Declarative of universal import beyond time and space.

                        Sentence recurrence (1)11(2)2730=2

                        Detailed analysis of Ayah 11

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                          bkanwar2
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                          http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/001.%20Al%20Fateha/1.01a.gif

                          Statistical Information

                          1. Preposition 1 Inseparable preposition

                          2. All words are Nouns 4 (i) One common noun (ii) Two Proper Nouns; (iii) One Hyperbolic Participle/Intensive Adjective

                          3. Prepositional Phrase 1

                          4. Possessive Phrase 1

                          5. Adjectival Phrase 1

                          6. Grammatical Units 2

                          Features
                          Elliptical sentence
                          Simple; Declarative of universal import beyond time and space.

                          Sentence recurrence (1)11(2)2730=2

                          Detailed analysis of Ayah 11

                          The first sentence of the book. Please share your syntactic analysis of the sentence.

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                            bkanwar2
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                            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/001.%20Al%20Fateha/1.01a.gif

                            Features
                            Elliptical sentence
                            Simple; Declarative of universal import beyond time and space.

                            Sentence recurrence (1)11(2)2730=2

                            Detailed analysis of Ayah 11

                            All religions and followers of religions keep coming forwards with theodasies to explain idiosyncrasies of their held beliefs. Instead of thinking that their held basic beliefs might be altogether wrong.

                            1. There is never a description of a sentence called elliptical sentence in Classic Arabic . If anyone knows, please share a reference?
                            2. Furthermore, even in English an elliptical sentence can be written only if the information is provided in preceding part. As an example, "Mazhar, likes to create theodasies, so do all his followers". The second part of this sentence "so do all his followers", is an example of elliptical sentence . There is no information in the Quran prior to this sentence, 11. This is the first sentence of the book.
                            3. No sentence in Classic Arabic begins with a prepositional phrase. Which if traditional explanation as given is accepted is going to be the case.

                            The only sane Syntactical explanation is that is a word from root Ba-Siin-Miim and together are possessive phrase or Murrakab-e-Idhafee.

                            Regards,

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                              Mazhar
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                              1. No sentence in Classic Arabic begins with a prepositional phrase. Which if traditional explanation as given is accepted is going to be the case.

                              Is it not a sentence beginning with prepositional phrase? And what type of sentence is it?

                              http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.10a.gif

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                                Mazhar
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                                The only sane Syntactical explanation is that is a word from root Ba-Siin-Miim and together are possessive phrase or Murrakab-e-Idhafee.

                                If so from root Ba-Siin-Miim, then what type of word is this . A noun, verbal noun, or verb?
                                What it signifies?
                                What is its role - function in the sentence?

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                                  bkanwar2
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                                  Is it not a sentence beginning with prepositional phrase? And what type of sentence is it?

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                                  When I said start, I meant the subject of the sentence. So you believe in your example this the subject of the sentence in the verse?

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                                    bkanwar2
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                                    If so from root Ba-Siin-Miim, then what type of word is this . A noun, verbal noun, or verb?
                                    What it signifies?
                                    What is its role - function in the sentence?

                                    It is a verbal noun, together with Idhafa phrase and Subject of the sentence.

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      It is a verbal noun, together with Idhafa phrase and Subject of the sentence.

                                      The word is in genitive case. Subject of a nominal sentence is always nominative.

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                                        bkanwar2
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                                        The word is in genitive case. Subject of a nominal sentence is always nominative.

                                        Not entirely correct. Since, in Classic Arabic, unlike most modern languages, order of word arrangement is not important and subject of the sentence can be in the middle or end of the sentence. Hence, nominative case is used to point it out in these position. However, a sentence that starts with a noun is a nominal sentence and its case is not important. Please read with care Page 250 (about sentence and its parts) onward of Volume 2 of William Wright's Grammar. Nowhere, a mention of case of a noun is made if it is at the beginning. The first noun or phrase of nouns will be the subject of the given sentence. The case of first noun in the idhafee phrase depends upon relationship of the two words/nouns.

                                        http//www.ghazali.org/arabic/WrightArabicGrammarVol2.pdf

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          Not entirely correct. Since, in Classic Arabic, unlike most modern languages, order of word arrangement is not important and subject of the sentence can be in the middle or end of the sentence. Hence, nominative case is used to point it out in these position. However, a sentence that starts with a noun is a nominal sentence and its case is not important. Please read with care Page 250 (about sentence and its parts) onward of Volume 2 of William Wright's Grammar. Nowhere, a mention of case of a noun is made if it is at the beginning. The first noun or phrase of nouns will be the subject of the given sentence. The case of first noun in the idhafee phrase depends upon relationship of the two words/nouns.

                                          http//www.ghazali.org/arabic/WrightArabicGrammarVol2.pdf

                                          Notwithstanding order of words in a sentence, the subject wherever it is located can be identified by case ending in nominative. Wright could never say that subject of a sentence can be in genitive case.

                                          If you think he said so cut and paste his opinion please.

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