AlFathia
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All current translation of Quran that everbody calls as the real Quran or word of god is based upon hearsay.
I am not quite sure of that. I have never seen anyone say that their translation is the 100% correct.
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I am not quite sure of that. I have never seen anyone say that their translation is the 100% correct.
First of all for traditional translations there is only one mother translation by Tabari, which is all hearsay based. All other translations are improvement with some changes of words used.
Please share one translators name with his admission that his translation is not correct? Yes, I mean translation and not exegesis or tafseer.
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First of all for traditional translations there is only one mother translation by Tabari, which is all hearsay based. All other translations are improvement with some changes of words used.
Please share one translators name with his admission that his translation is not correct? Yes, I mean translation and not exegesis or tafseer.
Who is Tabari? Edit Nevermind i found a link about him https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tabari Bold I don't know if you misread my last comment, i didn't say that the person saying their translation is correct, i said that i have never seen person saying that their translation is 100% correct. Unless i misread you then apologies for that.
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Who is Tabari? Bold I don't know if you misread my last comment, i didn't say that the person saying their translation is correct, i said that i have never seen person saying that their translation is 100% correct.
So you don't think that current Quran is correct and it has errors? So if this is the case, how could it could be the words of god?
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You're wrong including about me. I'm not basing anything on any traditional interpretation.
1.2. The letters Alef Lam Lam Heh are correct.
Do you agree every Arabic word has a root? What is the root for these letters? Based upon any such root what is the meaning?
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So you don't think that current Quran is correct and it has errors? So if this is the case, how could it could be the words of god?
Again i never said that. I was just showing Noon's post about the Birmingham manuscript.
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What are you trying to say? When you says something is not 100% correct, doesn't it imply that it has some errors?
I was trying to say that i have not seen anyone saying that their translation is 100% correct. See my previous reply.
I am not quite sure of that. I have never seen anyone say that their translation is the 100% correct.
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Although i should have added that the reason they say that because they are trying to be unbiased. So my fault on being vague.
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I was trying to say that i have not seen anyone saying that their translation is 100% correct. See my previous reply.
Who is "their" in your sentence? Are you referring to translators themselves as their? Or you are implying by saying "not seen anyone" (not a single person), saying that their (translators) translation is 100% correct?
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Who is "their" in your sentence? Are you referring to translators themselves as their? Or you are implying by saying "not seen anyone" (not a single person), saying that their (translators) translation is 100% correct?
If you want to be specific on "their" i am referring to Wakas, Noon, Mazhar, Manny_E, Mughal1 and a youtuber known as Quran Centric (He is Yousef Shaer in this forum https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606314.msg348017#msg348017) I have not seen them saying their translation is without mistake. I hope this has answered your question.
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If you want to be specific on "their" i am referring to Wakas, Noon, Mazhar, Manny_E, Mughal1 and a youtuber known as Quran Centric (He is Yousef Shaer in this forum https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606314.msg348017#msg348017) I have not seen them saying their translation is without mistake. I hope this has answered your question.
If the current accepted Quran's translation/understanding is god's word and free of all errors. Why all these folks are translating it again? Did you ask them this, why are you all doing your own translations?
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If the current accepted Quran's translation/understanding is god's word and free of all errors. Why all these folks are translating it again? Did you ask them this, why are you all doing your own translations?
Because they are trying to uncover the traditional mistranslations like for example the so-called "hand cutting verse" Check this forum post https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608169.msg382141#msg382141
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I really hope we are not going off topic because this post is about AlFathia.
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Because they are trying to uncover the traditional mistranslations like for example the so-called "hand cutting verse" Check this forum post https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608169.msg382141#msg382141
So if the previous translators were able to introduce few new meanings? Why not more or all of it? This is exactly the point, I am highlighting by translating and showing linguistic rules for the translating. You can't cover up a stinking shit but spraying the perfume. You need to let all that shit go or it will keep stinking again and again. Which it has been for over 1200 years now.
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So if the previous translators were able to introduce few new meanings? Why not more or all of it? This is exactly the point, I am highlighting by translating and showing linguistic rules for the translating. You can't cover up a stinking shit but spraying the perfume. You need to let all that shit go or it will keep stinking again and again. Which it has been for over 1200 years now.
Woah. That is very unlike you because i have never seen you like that at all. And what do you mean a few? If you have checking other posts like Road of the Patriarch & The Search for Muhammad has Ended by brother Pazuzu. (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.0 https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603126.0) There is more like these in this forum. I have seen a good bit of it and i am sure there are more of this. I hope you will be in a better mood because i think you may not have a good day.
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is a derivative used in , but you seem to have problems with linguistic comprehension because I've given you the answer. is grammatical and based on the letters which used to be words in themselves once upon a time. I said that is basically 4 different words in one, but morphologically and from grammatical semantics it is + + which is AL - LA - HEH in pronunciation, and this isn't even close to a traditional understanding and I'd be hearing cursing Muslims if I told that openly
Manny, truth and knowledge needs above anything. No fear of any loss should impede one from it. I will leave you to ponder at this.
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Manny, truth and knowledge needs above anything. No fear of any loss should impede one from it. I will leave you to ponder at this.
On that i agree.
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Woah. That is very unlike you because i have never seen you like that at all. And what do you mean a few? If you have checking other posts like Road of the Patriarch & The Search for Muhammad has Ended by brother Pazuzu. (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.0 https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603126.0) There is more like these in this forum. I have seen a good bit of it and i am sure there are more of this. I hope you will be in a better mood because i think you may not have a good day.
Sardar, I mean every single word of it. I have spend 14 years of my life on it. I have been swimming against the stream during these years. Everyone, keeps asking me why do you continue to try translating Quran. The only reason is that the concepts of real Quran has potential of solving humanity's all illness. Only if we can clean all the shit they immersed on it. It is time to accept the mistakes of our ancestors. It is also okay to say they made mistakes and they were wrong. Based upon there mistake we have been wrong so far. But here is the pristine constitution that we followed before and here we bring it back by rejecting all that religious shit in the name of Islam has been heaped upon us for centuries. I can see this time is around the corner.
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Sardar, I mean every single word of it. I have spend 14 years of my life on it. I have been swimming against the stream during these years. Everyone, keeps asking me why do you continue to try translating Quran. The only reason is that the concepts of real Quran has potential of solving humanity's all illness. Only if we can clean all the shit they immersed on it. It is time to accept the mistakes of our ancestors. It is also okay to say they made mistakes and they were wrong. Based upon there mistake we have been wrong so far. But here is the pristine constitution that we followed before and here we bring it back by rejecting all that religious shit in the name of Islam has been heaped upon us for centuries. I can see this time is around the corner.
Bold 1 Well on this forum i haven't seen anyone asked that as of now. Bold 2 On that i agree, in fact i never denied of our ancestors mistakes. I agree that Islam is not a religion and not made up rituals. However i have not seen a verse saying anything against religion although Allah does criticizes ancestral tradition.
