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Would be very happy to discuss every step of this translation for any true seeker.
Surah 11
One who doesn?t engage in worship derives pleasure from showing the extreme and lasting concern for sufferings or misfortune of others.
Surah 12
The praise for one not engaging in worship is by having command over all disciplines of knowledge,
Surah 13
Due to the extreme, lasting concern for sufferings or misfortunes of others,
Surah 14
This is the eternal mode of conduct for people.
Surah 15
You beware of; making us an object of worship also you beware that we are seekers of knowledge.
Surah 16
It guides us from fleeing the path which is original, straight, undeviating and unceasing.
Surah 17
Those fleeing the path, if you were to scrutinize them; it would be nothing but cause of anger for those confounded, perplexed and unable to see right path.
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Would be very happy to discuss every step of this translation for any true seeker.
Surah 11
One who doesn?t engage in worship derives pleasure from showing the extreme and lasting concern for sufferings or misfortune of others.
Surah 12
The praise for one not engaging in worship is by having command over all disciplines of knowledge,
Surah 13
Due to the extreme, lasting concern for sufferings or misfortunes of others,
Surah 14
This is the eternal mode of conduct for people.
Surah 15
You beware of; making us an object of worship also you beware that we are seekers of knowledge.
Surah 16
It guides us from fleeing the path which is original, straight, undeviating and unceasing.
Surah 17
Those fleeing the path, if you were to scrutinize them; it would be nothing but cause of anger for those confounded, perplexed and unable to see right path.
Hi BKANWAR! I have read and tried to understand it again and again. I have underlined some words and I hope that you would elaborate them. How one can have command over all disciplines of knowledge? Does it contain all types of knowledge? Why we should seek to have command over ALL disciplines of knowledge? What word is translated as "Eternal". Thanks!
Regards,
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I don?t known how much detail you would like me to go into. Please share your level of understanding of the language of Quran to help me in deciding. I will start simple with references.
by having command over all disciplines of knowledge,
This part is translation of Idafha phrase .
is from root Ayn Lam Miim. It's basic meaning. "He knew it truly or certainly". Which by definition what knowledge is in modern term. It is a definite plural noun here. can also be pronounced as both of which means primarily "that by which one knows". Which would mean again methods of acquiring knowledge and knowledge itself. Please see reference Lane's page below at bottom extreme left.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000425.pdf
It is a noun from root Ra Ba Ba. It has several meanings but principal meaning is "to have command, authority or to own and posses something". Please see reference below.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume3/00000168.pdf
I will stop at this point to see if you can follow this line of reasoning based upon your understanding of the language.
Thanks for asking, stay blessed.
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Hi,
Here are my questions
- How one can have command over all disciplines of knowledge? Does it contain all types of knowledge?
- Why we should seek to have command over ALL disciplines of knowledge?
- What word is translated as "Eternal".
I am not talking about any dictionary references from you. I have seen your other posts already and have a hint that how you pick words and their meanings. I would appreciate answers to my above questions. After that I will discuss further InShaAllah!
Regards,
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I have edited the translation based upon suggestion of friends and review of language resources as following.
Surah 11One who doesn?t engage in worship derives pleasure from showing the extreme and lasting concern for sufferings or misfortune of others.
Surah 12
The approval for not engaging in worship is to achieve the command over all the disciplines of knowledge,
Surah 13
Due to the extreme, lasting concern for sufferings or misfortunes of others,
Surah 14
This has been an eternal mode of conduct for people.
Surah 15
You beware we are excited about it also you beware we are seekers of knowledge.
Surah 16
It guides us from fleeing the path which is original, straight, undeviating and unceasing.
Surah 17
Those fleeing the path, if you were to scrutinize them; it would be nothing but cause of anger for the confounded, perplexed and unable to see right path.
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Hi,
Here are my questions
- How one can have command over all disciplines of knowledge? Does it contain all types of knowledge?
Answer 1. Just like the Muslims of its golden era had it. Learned from everywhere and investigated and furthered all disciplines of knowledge. Just like in recent times west did it. Learned from Arabs and Muslims and have furthered the knowledge by investigating.
- Why we should seek to have command over ALL disciplines of knowledge?
Answer 2. Because this is the right path and thing to do. This is what early Muslims did and hence were at the top of the world. This is what was commanded to them in Quran.
- What word is translated as "Eternal".
Yaum, in Arabic really means time in absolute sense. Which means it has no beginning or end. Therefore, Yaum is translated as eternal to reflect its real meanings. Its meaning as day and night what we know as day is a conventionally accepted meaning. Its meaning from dawn to sunset as day is its legal meanings.
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Hi,
bkanwar2 "Yaum, in Arabic really means time in absolute sense. Which means it has no beginning or end. Therefore, Yaum is translated as eternal to reflect its real meanings. Its meaning as day and night what we know as day is a conventionally accepted meaning. Its meaning from dawn to sunset as day is its legal meanings. "
As far as I know Time is in Arabic. Furthermore, I believe that Only Allah is eternal. Time is His creation.
And who legalizes the meanings?
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As far as I know Time is in Arabic. Furthermore, I believe that Only Allah is eternal. Time is His creation.
Hence, a command over broad knowledge base is commanded and emphasized. is used for an appointed. You really need to understand these concepts and how these relate and differ from each other. Following links may help you to accomplish this goal.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000212.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000318.pdfStay well,
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Hi BKANWAR2!
You have not answered my question that "Who legalizes the meanings".
Regards,
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Kill thyself
HP_TECH what are you saying?!
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The one who shamelessly claims he can bring a surah like one Allah has revealed and strives to change the words of Allah and is deluded into thinking he can give full explanation of the Book with an interpretation he pulls out of his own ass should
without hesitation put his ego to the sword and "kill himself". -
The one who shamelessly claims he can bring a surah like one Allah has revealed and strives to change the words of Allah and is deluded into thinking he can give full explanation of the Book with an interpretation he pulls out of his own ass should
without hesitation put his ego to the sword and "kill himself".Even you meant it figuratively, the message would still be unrepresented.
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Take it how you want it.
I despise people as such.
They are the cause of the derision by the sectarians.
Those are hypocrites among us.
They claim to have faith but they are boastful and arrogant and seek their own interpretation and recognition for their deluded uniqueness.
Uff to all of them. Al-Mushrik -
Take it how you want it.
I despise people as such.
They are the cause of the derision by the sectarians.
Those are hypocrites among us.
They claim to have faith but they are boastful and arrogant and seek their own interpretation and recognition for their deluded uniqueness.
Uff to all of them. Al-MushrikI don't like these hypocrites as well but still telling them "kill thyself" won't make it better. Simply expose them and they will fell the "burn".
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Hi BKANWAR2!
You have not answered my question that "Who legalizes the meanings".
Regards,
At current times meanings can be selected or if you prefer term legalization, it is done based upon context of meaning of other words and verses and bigger understanding of of message of Quran
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Statistical Information
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Preposition 1 Inseparable preposition
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All words are Nouns 4 (i) One common noun (ii) Two Proper Nouns; (iii) One Hyperbolic Participle/Intensive Adjective
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Prepositional Phrase 1
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Possessive Phrase 1
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Adjectival Phrase 1
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Grammatical Units 2
Features
Elliptical sentence
Simple; Declarative of universal import beyond time and space.Sentence recurrence (1)11(2)2730=2
Detailed analysis of Ayah 11
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Statistical Information
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Preposition 1 Inseparable preposition
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All words are Nouns 4 (i) One common noun (ii) Two Proper Nouns; (iii) One Hyperbolic Participle/Intensive Adjective
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Prepositional Phrase 1
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Possessive Phrase 1
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Adjectival Phrase 1
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Grammatical Units 2
Features
Elliptical sentence
Simple; Declarative of universal import beyond time and space.Sentence recurrence (1)11(2)2730=2
Detailed analysis of Ayah 11
The first sentence of the book. Please share your syntactic analysis of the sentence.
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Features
Elliptical sentence
Simple; Declarative of universal import beyond time and space.Sentence recurrence (1)11(2)2730=2
Detailed analysis of Ayah 11
All religions and followers of religions keep coming forwards with theodasies to explain idiosyncrasies of their held beliefs. Instead of thinking that their held basic beliefs might be altogether wrong.
- There is never a description of a sentence called elliptical sentence in Classic Arabic . If anyone knows, please share a reference?
- Furthermore, even in English an elliptical sentence can be written only if the information is provided in preceding part. As an example, "Mazhar, likes to create theodasies, so do all his followers". The second part of this sentence "so do all his followers", is an example of elliptical sentence . There is no information in the Quran prior to this sentence, 11. This is the first sentence of the book.
- No sentence in Classic Arabic begins with a prepositional phrase. Which if traditional explanation as given is accepted is going to be the case.
The only sane Syntactical explanation is that is a word from root Ba-Siin-Miim and together are possessive phrase or Murrakab-e-Idhafee.
Regards,
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- No sentence in Classic Arabic begins with a prepositional phrase. Which if traditional explanation as given is accepted is going to be the case.
Is it not a sentence beginning with prepositional phrase? And what type of sentence is it?
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