The prophets, bearers of good news and warners..
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Salaams marie,
you say "Moses and Haroon are also two messengers prophets for pharaon."
Just for my information;
Where does it say Haroon is a Rasool.?
Sorry but i can't locate it.
Thanks.Salaams.
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Salam Mohamed, all,
Thanks for your interesting view.
Personally, I distinguish between the science ("a book of gravity", "a book of medecine", "a book of maths", "a book of electricity") which is the fruit of the basic and experimental research and what is revealed by the god upon His messengers (book of guidance).
The principal mission of alanbiya is to bear good news and to warn. Einstein is a man of science (318 ).
Alnnubuwwata /prophethood (the news of the unseen, the science from the God...) and human science are not at the same level.
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Salaamun alaikum Someone,
Now, "tawrat" I think is reffering to the law of "causality", "injeel" on the other hand is the law of "procreation". Those are the two aspects for understanding the non-living and the living in this world.
Definitely more Quranic than the usual 'torah' and 'gospel'
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Peace be u pon you Ash Shura,
I came across the root of Ka-Ta-Ba in many places, shame I am a little disorganised. However, this root had a lot to do with "decree". With what you are saying it makes a whole lot more sense. I call this "the order of things" which covers the laws of the universe as well as all the creation. I think with this definition is important as many have assumed this to be the reading, the tawrat and the injeel. Sorry I digress.
Nice insight.
Yes, I am glad that you have come to the same position. I thank the God within us all for your kind words.
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Peace be upon you Someone,
Fantastic explanation, can you elaborate on your understanding of "torah" and "injeel". I have taken a guess to start of my position as "torah" being Law and "injeel" being the proper understanding. Please elaborate on your position so I can start to formulate a better understanding.
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Peace idolfree1, all
My understanding concerning "tawrat" and "injeel" relies on their respective roots.
"tawrat" comes from the root "ta'ra" , which denotes a recurring process, something that is repeated sevral times with the same result.
"injeel" comes from the root "najala" which denotes "causing a new creation" or something to that effect (descendence??).
I am not able for now to find the exact english words for the verbs "najala" and "ta'ra". I'll post them if I find any, or you can propose some since english is your native language.
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Peace be upon you Someone,
"tawrat" comes from the root "ta'ra" , which denotes a recurring process, something that is repeated sevral times with the same result.
"injeel" comes from the root "najala" which denotes "causing a new creation" or something to that effect (descendence??).
Fantastic, thats what I needed!!
I will give you my updated thoughts shortly! D
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Personally, I distinguish between the science ("a book of gravity", "a book of medecine", "a book of maths", "a book of electricity") which is the fruit of the basic and experimental research and what is revealed by the god upon His messengers (book of guidance).
The principal mission of alanbiya is to bear good news and to warn. Einstein is a man of science (318 ).
Alnnubuwwata /prophethood (the news of the unseen, the science from the God...) and human science are not at the same level.
Peace marie, all
A man of science is "3alim", someone who has acquired knowledge with time and within.
"naby" is a degree above. "naby" brings "new news", I mean new discoveries inspired by the god, inspired by all that is around.
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A man of science is "3alim", someone who has acquired knowledge with time and within.
"naby" is a degree above. "naby" brings "new news", I mean new discoveries inspired by the god, inspired by all that is around.Peace mohamed, all
Anbiya receive the science from the God through the inspiration without making experiments at the laboratory, archaeological explorations...
For ex, the famous formula of Einstein (E=mc2) is the fruit of several years of research. Of course, the God guides every one who seeks to improve his knowledge about the creation.
Does the prophet Muhamad do the same thing to know all what is inspired to him through the reading?
The response is No.
For me, Amen or women of knowledge are not especially anbiya or the warners but a person of knowledge/science/searchers of the universe secrets.
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A man of science is "3alim", someone who has acquired knowledge with time and within.
"naby" is a degree above. "naby" brings "new news", I mean new discoveries inspired by the god, inspired by all that is around.
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Peace marie, all
My post above should read as follow
A man of science is "3alim", someone who has acquired knowledge with time from other men of science. (remember Moussa with the man with knowledge)"naby" is a degree above. "naby" brings "new news", I mean new discoveries inspired by the god, inspired by all that is around and within.
And I don't think that a "naby" is deprived of knowledge. According to the scripture, they were thaught knowledge and wisdom, and were able to bring new knowledge with the will of the god. Einstein is not any different from that, and his discoveries are proved by the book (= the creation).
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Salam mohamed, all
"naby" is a degree above. "naby" brings "new news", I mean new discoveries inspired by the god, inspired by all that is around and within.
Agree.
Several scientific discoveries dated from the 20th century are announced since several centuries in the quran )
Those who are well founded in knowledge say ?We believe in it, all is from our Lord.?
Anbiya and the person of knwoledge are supplementary but not interchangeable.
- Say ?If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Quran like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another.?
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Peace be upon you Someone,
Very well stated, just like the example of Ibrhim who looked at the creations (star , moon and sun) and realized that the GOVERNING INTELLIGENCE(God) is greater than all of that. Some are able to "talk" to this GOVERNING INTELLIGENCE and "discover" what others have not.
So Ibrahim tells his father(representative of the old active ways)
(1943) "O my father! to me has come knowledge which has not reached you so follow me I will guide you to a path that is even and straight.
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Peace Idolfree
I have taken a guess to start of my position as "torah" being Law and "injeel" being the proper understanding. Please elaborate on your position so I can start to formulate a better understanding.
This is how I presently understand the 'torah' and 'injeel' based on 4829. I believe it fits inline with Someone's posted roots.
I understand the 'Torah' as being the follow through of the law (preparation). I liken it to tilled soil, that is ready to foster the seed.
I see the 'Injeel' as the outcome of following the law, it is the growth one experiences from the expression of the law.
I view the 'Torah' as feminine and 'Injeel' as masculine. I believe they can be contrasted with Mary and Isa.
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Peace be upon you Khalil,
This is how I presently understand the 'torah' and 'injeel' based on 4829. I believe it fits inline with Someone's posted roots.
I understand the 'Torah' as being the follow through of the law (preparation). I liken it to tilled soil, that is ready to foster the seed.
I see the 'Injeel' as the outcome of following the law, it is the growth one experiences from the expression of the law.
I view the 'Torah' as feminine and 'Injeel' as masculine. I believe they can be contrasted with Mary and Isa.
Yes, I agree with that line of thought, though I do not have a firm understanding yet.