Are there Female prophetess
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Another trend of God's chosen messengers is that they have families, each of the messenger have a life partner and at least a child <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1338">1338</a>
So if Maryam is married or had a future plan to marry and was chosen as a messenger she wouldn't have argued 'when no man has touched me...' about the prophecy for the conception of Isa ibn Maryam in these verses <a href="http//tanzil.net/#347">347</a> and <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1920">1920</a>
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Such Quranic figures are not meant to be understood as people who existed long ago and ye are somehow supposed to speak for/against them without illumination! Thats the exoteric bs of "hadithers"! To understand the esoteric part of the Quran (mutachabihat) one needs to stop looking at it with materialistic eyes projecting ones shadow of preconceived notions.
The surface of things is not where attention should rest.
The kingdom of G.D is within you, and so is "jesus" and "mary" if one only drops the ego mask, in favor of the voice within, to realize G.D.
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Another trend of God's chosen messengers is that they have families, each of the messenger have a life partner and at least a child <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1338">1338</a>
So if Maryam is married or had a future plan to marry and was chosen as a messenger she wouldn't have argued 'when no man has touched me...' about the prophecy for the conception of Isa ibn Maryam in these verses <a href="http//tanzil.net/#347">347</a> and <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1920">1920</a>
?Argue?
Asking a proper and very uch to the point question is now called aruing if it is a woman who does it?
We do not need any hadithers to trash women. Qur'an aloners do it perfectly.
Salaam
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jaffar very interesting video and on top of that she never said only "christanity" is salvation and the only correct path..
Infact she said religion / tradition doesn't matter.... it's the heart that matter..
She has also prayed in the mosques with other muslims... (minutes 23 on the video)
She has did such quite few times actually.. including in Shiite's mosques...I really don't care if she is a prophetess or not..
Infact she also doesn't care whether she's (regarded as) a prophetess or not...Only occultist and sectarian paid much attention whether someone (who has been long dead) is a prophet / prophetess or not... and paid no attention to things which are actually important.
people like her you can see in every nation, who according to me are the addressed muslimeen of book Quran..
in their own offical version of holy books when you compare these
christians of bible
hindus of veda
musilmeen of quranvs
criminals of bible veda and quran... surprisingly we see in all major religions all peacekeeprs and criminals share same values .. and they are not different just labelling is different..
example
killer, rapist, robber, toublemaker, (criminals in all religions)
charitable, kind, protectors of weak,good doers ( peacekeepers in all religions )Good souls are just good souls
Rotten souls are just rotten souls
They can be found anywhere...everybody just think we are correct , becoz we belong to this .. in reality its not that hard to crack.. just a big heart is require to accept the truth of life..
It's a common characteristic of fanatics, with a big ego and couldn't escape their "Us vs Them" mentality.
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Feel free to send me your PM anytime..
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Jafar
Statement you made "I really don't care if she is a prophetess or not..
Infact she also doesn't care whether she's (regarded as) a prophetess or not"This is a very reckless statement knowing that God has sealed prophets with Mohamed..
How can you say I don't care she is a prophet or not.. Only thing you should have said in my opinion "She is not a Prophet or she can't be a prophet as per QURAN " .. Do you agree Jafar? You can't be ambiguous.. It sounds like she may be a prophet and one option on the other hand she may not.. but only thing you don't care about both... You don't say directly both are wrong but just say you don't care... It gives option both being prophet and not is within the possibility. How can one say I don't care about a prophet?
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This is a very reckless statement knowing that God has sealed prophets with Mohamed..
its a logical fallacy becoz you are using quran as evidence same like christian will use bible as evidence hindu will use veda as evidence..
having faith in something is different than experimental data of facts that generate proper "evidence"
the statement only works for those who have faith in quran.
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You seem to be deliberately ignoring all that has been said in this thread and others and insist on answering with the same popular crap as if you were enlightening somebody.
what i wanted to tell you everybody has their roles and duties so as per the book what you are reffering there is not any direct or indirect evidence of what you claim about mary.. if you have any evidence provide one plz.
and good thing you know that man cant give a birth becoz that role is decided by creator that women will gona give birth. and i am fully submitted with this decision of creator.. so do you.. yay
hope you got my point ..
and if maryum is prophet and you get one verse about her prophethood then me and any male dnt have any objection accepting that..
i dnt need your views in long posts just you can share 3 strong verses in your case .. (just verses please)...
and then check this verse as per RULES what being used by very quran alone followers to make their claim about the death of jesus.. muscle if you follow that rule from text then why you are ignoring it when God already make it CLEAR..
575 The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a Messenger, like other Messengers before him who passed on. And his mother was a woman of truth. Both of them were human beings who had to eat food (like all other mortals). See how clearly We explain Our verses for them, and note how they still deviate!
in this verse points to ponder..
all messengers before him passed away (if maryum was exception where it is mention)
second point ( maryum was woman of truth ) not prophet ==> as per QURAN rules from which you filter information..where you will go now ?
BTW most of the times i agree what you said about other topics regarding women.. dnt get me wrong please.
salam and God bless you.
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Such Quranic figures are not meant to be understood as people who existed long ago and ye are somehow supposed to speak for/against them without illumination! Thats the exoteric bs of "hadithers"! To understand the esoteric part of the Quran (mutachabihat) one needs to stop looking at it with materialistic eyes projecting ones shadow of preconceived notions.
The surface of things is not where attention should rest.
The kingdom of G.D is within you, and so is "jesus" and "mary" if one only drops the ego mask, in favor of the voice within, to realize G.D.
yeah we dispute unnecessarily sometimes.
its a logical fallacy becoz you are using quran as evidence same like christian will use bible as evidence hindu will use veda as evidence..
having faith in something is different than experimental data of facts that generate proper "evidence"
the statement only works for those who have faith in quran.
Peace good brother, you may be right, can you name a prophet since Muhammad?
peace
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Peace good brother, you may be right, can you name a prophet since Muhammad?
peace
peace brother,
i was talking bout logical fallacy , (seal of prophet) was not my topic.but lovely brother i ll give you answer what u asked from the lens of people who are not quran beleivers.
when they revisit the history, after islam and christanity who build their empires with the help of political movements we come to know there are lot of other figures like baba guru nanak of sikhs .. who also worked the same way how islam and christanity works and their followers are increasing day by day ,, in next 1000 years guru nanak followes will be more than the present amount of muslims and christians...
so for me first i need to see what author of Quran mean by prophethood...
even the word prophet for nabi is very poor translation...
if you asking about any NABI after muhammad then my answer is no?
the news giver of that book Quran ended with his life approx 1400 years ago so we can only find the 1400 yrs old data and you are asking the events afterwards,, its also illogical..but one simple answer the LAST nabi of QURAN was MUHAMMAD ? this news is 1400 yrs old..
now i understand why jews never accpet jesus, and why christian didnt accpet muhammad , and why muslims didnt accpet baba guru nanak as prophet.. but sikh does..
if prophethood is the fan following.. then michal jackson is the one who is praised by every single nation , almost 99% of population from 1980 till now know him and his messages in songs.. they love it they worshipped him and they fell unconscious upon seeing him... (evidence is available in video clips) even he died 10 years ago his songs are still saved in time space same like message of the author of quran is saved in time space... after 1400 years u can still able to see michal jackson in news that he was the king of pop.. who knows how many bigger kings than jackson take place in that period but the title always diredct towards jackson thats how God save his creation who is worthy to get saved by God..
ages ago we know a nabi named as david also got musical skills .. and given title king as well.. he was blessed by God same like micky was blessed by God...
when someone is blessed by God there is nothing that can stop him to show what God blessed him...
blessing of God
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Jafar
Statement you made "I really don't care if she is a prophetess or not..
Infact she also doesn't care whether she's (regarded as) a prophetess or not"This is a very reckless statement knowing that God has sealed prophets with Mohamed..
It's a statement based on fact, I don't care and she also don't care.
And so does any person who has been long dead (such as Muhammad, Jesus, Mary, David).. they don't care..How can you say I don't care she is a prophet or not.. How can one say I don't care about a prophet?
As I said, it's because
Only occultist and sectarian paid much attention whether someone is a prophet / prophetess or not... and paid no attention to things which are actually important.
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what i wanted to tell you everybody has their roles and duties so as per the book what you are reffering there is not any direct or indirect evidence of what you claim about mary.. if you have any evidence provide one plz.
and good thing you know that man cant give a birth becoz that role is decided by creator that women will gona give birth. and i am fully submitted with this decision of creator.. so do you.. yay
hope you got my point ..
and if maryum is prophet and you get one verse about her prophethood then me and any male dnt have any objection accepting that..
i dnt need your views in long posts just you can share 3 strong verses in your case .. (just verses please)...
and then check this verse as per RULES what being used by very quran alone followers to make their claim about the death of jesus.. muscle if you follow that rule from text then why you are ignoring it when God already make it CLEAR..
575 The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a Messenger, like other Messengers before him who passed on. And his mother was a woman of truth. Both of them were human beings who had to eat food (like all other mortals). See how clearly We explain Our verses for them, and note how they still deviate!
in this verse points to ponder..
all messengers before him passed away (if maryum was exception where it is mention)
second point ( maryum was woman of truth ) not prophet ==> as per QURAN rules from which you filter information..where you will go now ?
BTW most of the times i agree what you said about other topics regarding women.. dnt get me wrong please.
salam and God bless you.
The silliness of what you write does not say anything about Maryam but says a lot about you, so Maryam is a woman of truth, and his son is a prophet, so Maryam according to this is not a prophet and her son accotding to this is not a man of truth. You are calling 'isaa ibnu maryam a lier and a cheater?
You are fonder of male priilege than of God's favours on human kind. You do not show any imaan in this but pretended technicalities to avoid acknowledging a person chosen by God over the worlds, and over the women of the worlds.
You may outlqast me in insisting on nonsense about giving birth and so on as if anybody here needed YOUR LESSONS, but the fact is tht you do not have a blooming idea of who Maryam is or of her mission, and much worst than that, you do not want to learn it nor want it learnt by anybody.
You will get your rewards and everybody will get his or her rewards, particularly for that nice one whereby you call 'Isaa ibnu Maryam a lier.
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The silliness of what you write does not say anything about Maryam but says a lot about you
my sister do u have a habit of doing personal attacks with arrogance?
or its only males you like to show your arrogance i dnt know what wrong males did with you in life anyway... its your choice of treating males like shit but dnt worry carry on... you are elder then me i ll not do any personal attacks ...that what i learn from in the field of values and ettiquites... hope you ll also find some manners in ur own version of quran.NOTE instead of saying YOU , just correct ur words and say AUTHOR of quran.. becoz 575 is not my property or my claimings.. POINT TO PONDER
You are calling 'isaa ibnu maryam a lier and a cheater?
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its a perfect example of cause and effect..
now all forum members are perfectly observing that a old women get answerless as per scholarly rules of text .. now she is accusing me of what i never said... becoz what i ask from her she is unable to solve it and suddenly her mind start taking action which are toatally reckless ..
thats why i said in my last post where you GO now after putting 575 in ur mind ?
LIER (proven one) who you or me ?
either you have to prove me that i said jesus a liar
otherwise prepare urself for hundred lashes rotfl rotfl rotfl rotflor provide four witness from forum that i say jesus a "liar"
tbh all forum members not only she say me liar she say the author of quran liar as well ( indirectly ) becoz its not me who claims i just share the verses.. she got a problem with that..
you lost case ..
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Kawaja & Huruf...
I wish in this forum people talk within the quran when the subject is within the quran... People dont converge here to see personal messages attacking each other.. and it has no value... for that there are many mode of social medias..you can enjoy....I dont blame both of you... but i see both of you well versed in quran and your knowledge can be shared among those who are still at grass root level... such exchanges wont help anyone... pls dont in reply attack me both of you.. i meant for the good of all.. Argue at the level of it's pinnacle but dont attack personally.. it looks so ugly... seriously i mean.. it tempts think how your personal characters..May God guide us and give us patience May God save us from Ego and arrogance...
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I have found some substantial research works on Mariam (pbuh) in the following link
https//quranguideblog.wordpress.com//?s=Mariam&search=Go
Please read carefully the points raised therein and take honestly your stands on Mariam (pbuh) as well as Jesus based on words of Quran.
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Kawaja & Huruf...
I wish in this forum people talk within the quran when the subject is within the quran... People dont converge here to see personal messages attacking each other.. and it has no value... for that there are many mode of social medias..you can enjoy....I dont blame both of you... but i see both of you well versed in quran and your knowledge can be shared among those who are still at grass root level... such exchanges wont help anyone... pls dont in reply attack me both of you.. i meant for the good of all.. Argue at the level of it's pinnacle but dont attack personally.. it looks so ugly... seriously i mean.. it tempts think how your personal characters..May God guide us and give us patience May God save us from Ego and arrogance...
I wish you both stop this and keep bringing quran verses to support your claims... all will love it...bro advice taken and i always try to be funny and chill but sister huruf have a long term problem of hating MALE and not only me every sensible male can feel it .. otherwise it was totally on merit untill she used this YOU
i had a history with her 2 years ago same thing happen i was thinking she will gona read some of manners verses or article of islamic etiquette in free minds website ... but my fault she is still same.. male hater
may God placed love in her for poor males hahahahaha
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thats what i was doing and i also request her to share 3 strong verses in her case ... but u can see with ur eyes whats just happened ...
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Chapter 23 continuously talks about Messengers Starting with Noah and many Generations that we never ever knew of who they are?It shows many a generations From Noah and after have received immense messengers to reveal about their Lord (God is One and don?t associate with Him anything).. But almost majority of all generations rejected the messengers and went astray..
2344 Then We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation its messenger, they denied HIM, so We made them follow one another , and We made them narrations. So away with a people who do not believe?
2350 and We made Mary's son, and his mother, to be a sign, and gave them refuge upon a height, where was a hollow and a spring
Look at the above two verses? The arabs always talks of the precision of their language, one letter here and there gives entirely different meaning? Accordingly, 2344 God speaks of succession of messengers being sent..(how many? No idea..).. but in the continuation of the verse, God says..? ?. Every time there came to a nation its Messenger (Rasool-singular), they denied HIM (KazzabuHU)..I wonder how a female gender could fit for this? God talks of innumerable messengers?If anyone denies that NO.. by kazzabuhu, we cannot say only males meant by God..then we have to seriously look at entire quran in a very blurred way neglecting pure arabic that would raise massive contradictions to quran and its language usage.
And the reason I brought the next verse 2350 is? in this verse God talks Mary and her Son?(Ibn Maryam WaUmmuHU) ? MARYAM SON and HIS MOTHER? Can we perceive by this ?wa?ummuHU a female Gender (as HER MOTHER).. of course Isa was a Man.. So if we accept this verse ?HU? as male what makes us to deny that ?KazzabuHU (Denied HIM) is not Male? So generation of Messengers Male? Yes for me?
I am so curious to have a very glaring/manifest proof from Quran to claim there were females Prophets or Messengers including Mary? Coz some are honestly serious in this matter? To this date I was wondering any verse to ponder of but not found?Even the verses 1958 or 2351 but no evidence? Context of these two verses is all in support of Masculine ?Statement of Kawaja ?in next 1000 years guru nanak followes will be more than the present amount of muslims and christians...?
How Do You Know that Nanak Followers will be more? And how do you know that the world will remain for another 1000 years? Why state so precisely without even saying ?I guess?? is it coz you wont be here after 1000 years probably, so you can escape from whatever you stated..
If nanak is kind of a Nabi, why God wants to preserve the book which was revealed to the seal of prophets, Mohamed? Have anywhere in any other previous existing books, God has said He will preserve those books? NO? After preserving the Quran and sealing the prophets, why God needs to reveal other books, So will not the book/s which come after the quran be a confirmation of quran and previous books.. So The book of Nanak will be more worthy looking at coz it is a confirmation of all previous books?.and more up to date?And probably we can hope for more book/s and Nanak type alleged Prophets?.Books like Quran or Torah are formed by sending through an Angel Messenger to a human messenger? Do we hear anything similar from Guru Nanak? Let the meaning of Nabi be anything as one deduce if it fits for his understating..be it Giver of Glad tidings and warning, or simply as Prophet, coz he prophecies which others are not known even to himself..
In my understanding Nanak and those nine Gurus are Cults of One God belief. Sikhism, They are strongly monotheistic same as sunni shia wahabi etc..or even people like Bukhari, Tirmidi etc. or Catholic, Evangelic or Christian . ? but what they practice is not actually monotheism as per quran?Let God decide their fate? But for us to conclude Nanak is a figure as Noah or Ibrahim or Jesus etc.. then there is no evidence?We can?t approach to everything hoping everything is right? that could keep us no where?
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peace Jk
therez no need of saying i guess becoz obviously its estimated observation works like this
although its just matter of ecnomics and statistics.sikhism roughly 300 yrs old
islam 1400 yrs
christanity 2000 yrs oldwhen islam and christanity was in their first 300 yrs period you can get data from history about their counts and then compre that count with current population of sikhs u ll get ur answer.
even guru nanak followers never invade countries and nations like islam and christanity who shed blood like its a GOOD deed in cause of God.
if his followers invade countries then even at this time u see a big difference in population figure.
and read my post again i used a word LIKE before takin his name thats not the only example what i gave to my brother upon asking the person who got fan followes after his death. second example of michal jackson he was not even a religious personality but he served his role as singer. and gather more fan followes then all the religions and he just died 10 yrs ago.
and yeh i dnt know future but even in cricket projected scores work same way. obviously based on some mathematics formula of average.
so what so hard in understanding all this ? just that i didnt use word i GUESS obviously i m guessing i dnt need to tell i m guessing , i m writting , i m posting did i also have to tell you that i m posting you ? or you already know that i m posting u ? yeh obviously u know becoz its common sense.
on top of that every religion is satisfied with their doctrine and followers of all religion exactly think the same way how we think about our own faith...
even author of quran explain in many ways
like this
? if God wanted he would ve made all of you one nation but HE divides you in communities?
all races religions labels belongs to one supreme power , everything is from that supreme power.
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Peace jkhan.
You say, quote
I am so curious to have a very glaring/manifest proof from Quran to claim there were females Prophets or Messengers including Mary? Coz some are honestly serious in this matter? To this date I was wondering any verse to ponder of but not found?Even the verses 1958 or 2351 but no evidence? Context of these two verses is all in support of Masculine ?How do you make 2351 support your view? That all messengers are masculine? Here is 2351
2351
O you messengers, eat from the good provisions, and work righteousness. I am fully aware of everything you do.This (O messengers) is just a plural form of any combination. Its context start at 2323 and finishes at 2350,it includes Noah, messengers after him not named, Moses. Aaron, Ibn Meriem and his mother does it not?
GOD bless you.
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SLM,
why is this so important that there were female messengers or not ???
do you realize this way the attention goes to humans ( again) .....what did all the prophets/ messengers do ?? delivering the message ... does is matter what kind(gender) the prophet/messenger is ??? no ... does it matter what kind their message is ... YES ...
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Why is it so important that there should not be female messengers? That brings also the attention to humans and excatly to the male humans, it seems to be the real humans omen bing merely an accident meqnt to give males support. ?Waw!
God does warn us not to reject the messengers those sent by Him, so we may reject at leasure, provided the rejected is female.
?Waw!
It would be sad if it wasn't so ludicruous.
As to that one who says I treat all the males like shit, well, you are not all the males ?are you? Does that look like conceit. Of course I do not treat all the males like that and continuously I make it very, very, very clear that there are very worth males, like prophets, but whenever one rejects males male chauvinism and pride, one is tol exactly what this person who writes this say, they make male chauvinists males to be the whole malekind. Well, not so. You are not hte male kind, you may be, I do not know, I just judge what is written int his forum, a chauvinist male when writing in the forum or in this thread, but you certinly are not all the male, don't do honest respectful male that calumny. Like one might say, you hid behind other males skirts. Shame on you. Fend for your preference of males, but do not put all the males int he same basket because each person is responsible anly for what the person does, nor for what the next person might do, whatever his or her sex.
DO NOT MONOPOLISE MALENESS as you monopolise prophethood. Males are not a block. And you know you must have noticed because I am very insistent on it. There are may very decent, males, real gentlemen, who do nto go around putting women in their place, but being helpful to them and respectful of them. I know them, I enjoy their company, I enjoy having them as awlias in this life.
So do not slander other males, please.
Salaam