Nature of Satan
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Dear All,
Reason I always don?t blame traditional Translators coz I don?t know their intentions but somehow with the will of God they have translated the Quran which benefits a lot having opened the window for non arabs, but everyone has their God gifted knowledge to perceive things and accept in the end?
Yes, I too agree/disagree with Novice and Kawaja partially? It cannot be merely wings in which help a creature to fly and float/glide etc.. But no one can deny that the wing doesn?t mean it as well(ex. 63.. Even in my mother toung or for that matter in English wing gives the meaning of various aspects?needless to explain? Problem here is not in the translation but the way people grasped it.. How do we know that the translators actually meant the wing which is for flying or gliding (had they mentioned then it?s wrong coz they only one meaning)..They could have meant other meanings of the wing.. coz they just said wing.. same as God said in the verse?Isn?t it?..Did God say with explicit dimension for us not to take any other meaning rather than one?? NO.. Or can we conclude by the adjoining word ?Uli? (having or possessing, and lots of meaning).. God Said only one phrase ? what about 2832 (its translated as arm).. 26215 (as wing) 638 Can we translate them as multiple function / dimension.. most probably Not .. at least for me?
So to summarize, the Wing mentioned 351 cannot be 100% considered as a physical wing or as some latest translators say? Both could be possible as per context of the verse.. we can?t seriously deny that Jins who were raised as Angels are given various function for which what type of body is required God knows? They can even come as a human.. we all know human doesn?t have wings? It depends on functions.. But 351 is for the reader to decide with their utmost understanding what meaning of wing suits best?it?s not for any single person to label it with their understanding of the meaning?
Correct me if my comments are away from the reality..
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peace my lovely cute boy jkhan ,
its your right you can fully agree and disagree. but the last post is good coz you are thinking by critical thinking,
dnt wana go in detail WING physical one itself clear lot of things if u wana go that way.
look whats the purpose/importance of WINGS in both aeroplane and bird. to provide a power to them which cause the gravity lock accessible for them, thaty why we say them WINGS. obviously if controllers got PoWERS/WINGS they are beyond human perception.very famous daily sentence works same way when we say
?everything is in my hand? Its mean i got a control on situation by controlling power.GOD Bless you
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@ jk khan,
what is the nature of ANGELS according to you from QURAN..?
what your intake about gabriel/mikaeel? who are they?
what do you think about the "abd" who was with moses in his travel? who was he?
what is the nature of human and jinn accoridng to quran?JKhan i tried to share something with you here if u take ur time like two three Good days for research/study/examine inshAllah u ll find handiful information and then u may also share ur findings or new findings with us. purpose of debates is to share knowledge not that i wanawin claims, so positive approach towards everything is always good.
God bless you
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Examine , , .
And to Allah prostrates whatever is in the heavens and whatever
is on the earth of creatures, and the angels , and they are not arrogant.
(yastakbirna)And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam";
so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was haughty (wa-is'takbara)
and became of the disbelievers.And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and
they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the
command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies
other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers
as an exchange.There appears to be a point of demarcation where Iblees was an angel
when obedient and became Jinn after disobedience.Any thoughts?
peace
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Regarding 351 I have received few private messages to email, asking what is more weight physical wing or other possible meanings.. .. What do you personally think what actually God meant by this verse.. ?
So to answer this.. Honestly God won't give for one word in one sentence double meaning.. One word can have many meanings in Quran.. But one word in one sentence in one occasion can only be one meaning which God intended while he revealed this verse...
Though I said in my previous thread we can't give exact meaning since I don't want to lebell it with my personal understanding... But my weight and belief is only for one meaning which is Physical WING...
When I say so.. It's my duty to be logical and elaborate it to make sense... Needless anyone to accept me.. but give thoughts..Coz this is my belief over any other possible meaning for the word "AJNIHAHI" 351....
Few words in this verse is crucial to conclude it... "Al-Malaika, Rusul, Jaa'il... (Angels, Messengers, make/place) respectively..Word Jaa'il (230, 2124, 355, 188, 287) are never meant as a new creation or making.. But it's meaning is to make or place on something which is already been created as an additional support... Or to keep prevelance something... Don't get distracted by 230 thinking a new creation but it's meant for khalifa not for human.
God says we make /place Al-malaika (The Angels) Messengers...
We clearly know that All Angels are not Messengers as per QURAN.. (take the criteria for belief..- 2285 GOD, ANGELS, HIS BOOKS, HIS MESSENGERS, One of those is Angels and not Angel messengers..but simply Angels..) Especially the Angel messengers are those who are placed with message or a task to this world.. Ex. The one who brought the Torah, or the one/s who brought the food to Mary, or those who come to take our lives, or who record our deeds... Etc.. They are messengers either with message or task entrusted..
But not all Angels are messengers..
For such angel Messengers Allah makes/place Wings... Allah didn't say in the verse God makes / place the Angles Wings... But God added another word which is Messengers.. So actually to whome Allah make / place Wing/s are to His angels who are assigned as Messengers.. Depending on their task the number of wings may wary..as it is mentioned Two or three or four. But it was not how Angels(actual Jins) are CREATED with.. . What we we have to drag by this verse is that these wings are not permanent.. But only as long as they are designated for their task as Messenger... On other times, they will remain in their status of Malaika being created as Jins on whatever form they are created... Wings are only task oriented and not standard for angels..One may ponder Now.. Explanations okay but why I need to stick ajnihahi only as Wing IN this verse.. With all explanation of the above ajnihahi would suit as power...but rest of the seven occasions(638, 1588, 1724, 2022, 26215 & 2832) of this particular word doesn't match with Power but only with either wing or hand or side hand is most appropriate.. These three meanings are not away from the basic meaning of wing.. But power or other meaning won't suit the word structure..
Some say in verse 1850 iblees was not angel but he was a Jin.. And angels are entirely different creatures.. No.. Actually in verse 1850 iblees was an Angel among all. Those angels who were ordered by God to sujud Adam.. The word "Kaana" is giving multiple meanings... But usually in 1850 it is used as Iblees was of the Jin...but it may give bit odd meaning as per English.. But kaana here suits much with 'became ' Iblees(He) became of the Jin, disobeyed the command of his Lord... In fact iblees and all angels were Jins while this incident took place.. But coz of the protest raised by iblees He became just of those Jins and also went astray...
It's like simple Example.. Once the policeman breached the rules of being a police He became a civilian or normal human being.. Yes as long as the police stick to the rules he was a police but lost it with the violation... But all police are human regardless of they being police... Using here He WAS a civilian is quite odd rather than using BECAME... He became a civilian from police...So these Jins are of various types.. ((normal Jins, believers disbelievers, Satan(decendants of iblees), Angels, Angels Messengers, Immortals. )) but they all one CREATURE created by flame...
So Humans and Jins are all God created to deserve His Kingdom and rest are created for the support of both human and Jins... -
Peace HAWK,
lets use malaika FOR angels in your interpretation.
234 And We said to the malaika "Yield to Adam," so they yielded except for ibless, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the rejecters.
points to noted..
it ADRESSED to all malaika including
malaika = gabi (communiation expert) {nature = spirit} , production material(unknown)
controller= mikaeel ( ? ) { same as gabiz nature = spirit} production material (unknown)
malaika= gravity controllers
malaika= energy controllers
malaika= water controllers
malaika = IBLESS (duties =unknown), production matetrail (NAAR)
malaika = any human? incase (if travellor with moses and person with solomon who bring queens throne) production material = water and dust..
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. God knows how many malaika he got.. so according to this verse one of the malaika rejected the command..who was he ? lets move on to 1850 now..
1850 When We said to the controllers "Submit to Adam." They all submitted except for Satan, he was of the Jinn, so he disobeyed the order of his Lord. "Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy?" Miserable for the wicked is the substitute
the controller/malaika who rejects was by nature a JINN (material NAAR)..
NOW i ll gona bring 16 49 and something i just discovered now..
1649 To God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures as well as the controllers, and they are not arrogant.
i m stuck here if this verse is saying no one can go agaist God.. either its controller or creatures.. then we are in a big ILLUSION.
as we know lot of humans and jinns and one of the controller(JIN) already disobeyed... even first human disobeyed...
adam n eve is the biggest ever myth i had in my life.. every single time i think about it research about it.. i feel there is something fishy.
brother hawk,
people dnt know the nature of angels apart from the concept of light ..
thats why i said leave that traditional angel at side and see what people think and debate ..ibless was angel ( he was creation of light) then he became jinn ( creation of fire) ? is that you are trying to say.. ?
if its not then tell me
what was iblees at the time of rejection (creation of ?) and what he become after rejection ?we already know he loose the status of controller and he rejects and became kafir, even kafir mean disbeleiver but do you think he was disbeleiver?
he still beleive in God he said...
714 He said, "Grant me respite until the day they are resurrected?"
715 He said "You are granted."
716 He said "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your straight path."so its mean he is still asking something from God.. mean he is not a disbeliever, he believes in God and his believe was not even a blind belief like us ?
and he is blaming God as well, what going on.. ?
in all this story its appears to me.. God is causing trouble between creations of FIRE and CLAY ?
tbh this story makes no sense same like lot of other stories from religious tales are full of myth .. appears that people relate things to God, with the help of RELIGIOUS books,
a TRUE LOGICAL GOD is all powerfull, none can Go agaist him..
its like if m creating a torch , when i press a button it will give me light.. and there is nothing that can stop a torch to submitting my command..
why i ll gona make a torch which will not give me light in darkness? whats the purpose? even a human being think this way so why people address silly things to God who is the supreme intelligent being ..
another discrepancy
718 He said, "Get out from this, you are despised and banished. As for those among them who follow you, I will fill hell with you all!"
so God is showing anger and saying him to get out, i wonder a powerful God can make command and make him get out why he is saying him to go, same like if a guest is in home and we say him to get out from my place ... but with God there is nothing impossible..
second thing...
he will also fill those in hell who will follow him .. just like UNIVERSAL WAR is going on and whoever is the allies of ibless will gona suffer same fate.. and 98% people dnt even know they are allies of ibless.. and 98% confirmed that they are allies of ibless rotfl
example.. all religious scholars and teaching is we are TRUTH and rest are waste. everyone saying evil doer to everyone on daily basis even if a very good heart person, charitable bellong to hindu, he is ally of ibless already in muslims mind.. same goes for every label
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Peace Imran .
If you are taking this view, quotein all this story its appears to me.. God is causing trouble between creations of FIRE and CLAY ?
It will be interesting to hear your take on the verses .I am assuming you are not agreeing with the current translations Or are you doubting the verses are part of Qoran?
GOD bless you.
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Salam Kawaja?.
I brought this up to explain since I was not convinced in some of the things explained by you though you addressed to Hawk..?
Lets discuss with what you wrote ?
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Peace HAWK,lets use malaika FOR angels in your interpretation.
234 And We said to the malaika "Yield to Adam," so they yielded except for ibless, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the rejecters.
Using Angels to Malaika has no issue Hawk? rather than giving a one meaning to them as (controller) .. typically the word Angel in represents as under.. How far it is right.. not an issue but that?s what the English word refers..
?A spiritual being believed to act as an attendant, agent, or messenger of god, conventionally represented in human form with wings and a long robe.? Google
You know, no one has seen the Angels to be honest except very few, so giving a definition in a dictionary is a huge effort for the inventor of the dictionary.. leave the subject aside.. but we know to whom we refer as angels as per quran?that?s vital..points to noted..
it ADRESSED to all malaika including
malaika = gabi (communiation expert) {nature = spirit} , production material(unknown)
controller= mikaeel ( ? ) { same as gabiz nature = spirit} production material (unknown)
malaika= gravity controllers
malaika= energy controllers
malaika= water controllers
malaika = IBLESS (duties =unknown), production matetrail (NAAR)
malaika = any human? incase (if travellor with moses and person with solomon who bring queens throne) production material = water and dust..
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. God knows how many malaika he got.. so according to this verse one of the malaika rejected the command..who was he ? lets move on to 1850 now..
1850 When We said to the controllers "Submit to Adam." They all submitted except for Satan(Iblees, better to use), he was of the Jinn, so he disobeyed the order of his Lord. "Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy?" Miserable for the wicked is the substitute
the controller/malaika who rejects was by nature a JINN (material NAAR)..
Yes? above is right.. no issue..NOW i ll gona bring 16 49 and something i just discovered now..
1649 To God prostrate(lets use submit) all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures as well as the controllers, and they are not arrogant.
i m stuck here if this verse is saying no one can go agaist God.. either its controller or creatures.. then we are in a big ILLUSION.
We are not in illusion? it?s true? It doesn?t say ?No one can go against God? but it says ?They are not arrogant? ? for what they are not arrogant is to submit (sujud)?
One more thing you should notice? By this you can?t most probably deduce that ARROGANT is meant for all but for Angels & Dabba only? coz in verse it started as ?wal malaikathi wahum la yasthakbirun? for me it refers to angels & Dabba who are not arrogant in submitting but the rest are submitting could be arrogant and may not.. that?s what I get..
Who is dabba? 638 ?And there is no creature(dabba) on the earth or bird that flies with its wings except communities like you?
Very interesting usage of words.. if we human and Jins also part of Dabba, then God doesn?t need to say that Dabba is LIKE YOU.. So this Dabba include all those living on the earth, water, except Men and Jin.. Refer for further understanding 2218 (here dawwab and Men mentioned separate) and 2445 (Every dabba started with one one which creeps on bellies.. and started with human).. 2960 (separately indicated as provides for it for YOU..) .. 454 (separate We & dabba)
Look at the continuation of the next verse.. 1650 ?they fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.?
This is common with Angels and Dabba.. they don?t disobey or arrogant and following the commands..
1650 is actually meant for the Malaika & Dabba they fear their Lord and they do what they are COMMANDED.. . COMMANDMENT is for malaika and dabba..Dabba is very complicated topic and very tricky word in my knowledge of Arabic?If one claim dabba includes men and jin as well then.. then 1649 should God only calls the Angels as not arrogant?since ?wal malaikathi wahum la yasthakbirun? is used.. but most unlikely ? give yours thoughts pls..
Check all the dabba and dawabb words for much wider approach?as we know lot of humans and jinns and one of the controller(JIN) already disobeyed... even first human disobeyed...
Yes, humans and Jins disobeyed.. For Iblees disobedience he was ousted from his status since the arrogance is not the sign of Angels.. For Adam?s disobedience He was ousted from Janna? Janna is only for those who deserves with obedience to God.. if anyone want to deserve it come after deserving it?
adam n eve(Not in quran) is the biggest ever myth i had in my life.. every single time i think about it research about it.. i feel there is something fishy.
Nothing fishy in it.. re-think.. approach God..
brother hawk,
people dnt know the nature of angels apart from the concept of light ..
thats why i said leave that traditional angel at side and see what people think and debate ..ibless was angel ( he was creation of light) then he became jinn ( creation of fire) ? is that you are trying to say.. ?
(light is not from Quran.. I don?t see even Hawk mentioned it..)
if its not then tell me
what was iblees at the time of rejection (creation of ?) and what he become after rejection ?
He was a Malak(highly rated Jins with positions assigned) and became to mere Jin.. worthless now? Remember as per Quran God has used Jins (rated as angels) in the creation process, but intentionally God has not used Iblees in this process and not even let iblees know his own creation. Knower of the future..we already know he loose the status of controller and he rejects and became kafir, even kafir mean disbeleiver but do you think he was disbeleiver?
Yes he(iblees was a disbeliever from the moment he rejected to God?s order and still a disbeliever and will remain till the day of resurrection).. any doubt???
he still beleive in God he said...
How come? You got it wrong Kawaja..
714 He said, "Grant me respite until the day they are resurrected?"
715 He said "You are granted."
716 He said "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your straight path."so its mean he is still asking something from God.. mean he is not a disbeliever, he believes in God and his believe was not even a blind belief like us ?
By simply asking a thing from God doesn?t make one a believer in God? I hope you have read the complete quran many a times.. Don?t you find disbelievers asking things from God? Do I need to bring examples.. I hope not.. Ibless is not blind when he is doing something but those who are following him is manifestly blind?
and he is blaming God as well, what going on.. ?
Yes? disbelievers will definitely blame God as if the disbelievers are right?
in all this story its appears to me.. God is causing trouble between creations of FIRE and CLAY ?
No? God is just? if Iblees and Adam couldn?t control their mind doesn?t mean God is causing?Arrogance crept in Iblees?s mind Is the cause of God? After warning and advising Adam about the tree if he still approached to it for betterment out of fancy words of satan of what God has created.. is God the reason behind?.. Didn?t God give the free will to Iblees and Adam? God is mighty just?tbh this story makes no sense same like lot of other stories from religious tales are full of myth .. appears that people relate things to God, with the help of RELIGIOUS books,
It makes sense to me and hope to many.. Hope it will make to you also one day..Why you approach religious books while Quran is complete and detailed..a TRUE LOGICAL GOD is all powerfull, none can Go agaist him..
Simply YESits like if m creating a torch , when i press a button it will give me light.. and there is nothing that can stop a torch to submitting my command..
why i ll gona make a torch which will not give me light in darkness? whats the purpose? even a human being think this way so why people address silly things to God who is the supreme intelligent being ..
But God is not selfish like the torch you refer..
another discrepancy
718 He said, "Get out from this, you are despised and banished. As for those among them who follow you, I will fill hell with you all!"
so God is showing anger and saying him to get out, i wonder a powerful God can make command and make him get out why he is saying him to go, same like if a guest is in home and we say him to get out from my place ... but with God there is nothing impossible..
After saying the above by God where did Iblees go? Yes he lived in janna.. See how generous God is? He was living with his descendants with provision and luxury of Janna..? Why God said Iblees to go away is ?Coz iblees was among the elite group where no one before Iblees were arrogant.. everyone obeys God and obeyed willingly and with love to God for what they have been given mercy?? After all this Iblees went arrogant as if all this belongs to him(iblees)? God is fair? It?s no difference for me someone who was kept as honest in a position of a company and found out dishonest by the owner and get upset and asking him to get out but still owner pays his dues and everything he deserves..That?s a good owner.. Only ousted from the Job not punished him with unfair approach..
second thing...
he will also fill those in hell who will follow him .. just like UNIVERSAL WAR is going on and whoever is the allies of ibless will gona suffer same fate.. and 98% people dnt even know they are allies of ibless.. and 98% confirmed that they are allies of ibless
Yes? If you think Iblees is just then those who follow him also will look like just for you.. But if you think iblees disobeyed truly then whoever follows him will only follow whose heart is no difference to Iblees which is filthy..
example.. all religious scholars and teaching is we are TRUTH and rest are waste. everyone saying evil doer to everyone on daily basis even if a very good heart person, charitable bellong to hindu, he is ally of ibless already in muslims mind.. same goes for every label?
That?s personal opinions of Religious Scholars.. How do they know what God thinks of them..Don?t do the part of God? be as human? that?s more than enough?He(God) knows what you don?t know?coz he is the Creator of everything?
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Everything in existence was/is created by Allah the creator.
When approaching the Quran we must do so as students of the most high,
Allah is teaching us. , , and many more verses, are
explanations of reality. Yes, Allah created evil and in this reality both
good and evil exist simultaneously, this life is neither paradise nor hell but both.
The Quran was revealed to guide us to paradise and to warn us of hell. When
we understand that It is impossible to step outside of the jurisdiction of the
All-Mighty we can learn that Iblis has a role given to him by Allah.In this life
Iblis = arrogance, pride, evil, perversion
racism "I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from mud."
liar, conquer, exploiter.And in this wonderful life our creator has given us limits (hudud)
and if we live within the limits we will have peace and happiness
in this life and the next!peace
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NOW i ll gona bring 16 49 and something i just discovered now..
1649 To God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures as well as the controllers, and they are not arrogant.
i m stuck here if this verse is saying no one can go agaist God.. either its controller or creatures.. then we are in a big ILLUSION.
as we know lot of humans and jinns and one of the controller(JIN) already disobeyed... even first human disobeyed...
adam n eve is the biggest ever myth i had in my life.. every single time i think about it research about it.. i feel there is something fishy.
I agree, taking the story literally is a problem like when it is said
"get down from here"What does the garden story represent metaphorically to you?
example.. all religious scholars and teaching is we are TRUTH and rest are waste. everyone saying evil doer to everyone on daily basis even if a very good heart person, charitable bellong to hindu, he is ally of ibless already in muslims mind.. same goes for every label
What is the one way, dinn, religion, path, guidance according to you?
ibless was angel ( he was creation of light) then he became jinn ( creation of fire) ?
is that you are trying to say.. ?
nope I do not know what Iblis was made of in the previous state.
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Examine , , .
And to Allah prostrates whatever is in the heavens and whatever
is on the earth of creatures, and the angels , and they are not arrogant.
(yastakbirna)And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam";
so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was haughty (wa-is'takbara)
and became of the disbelievers.And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and
they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the
command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies
other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers
as an exchange.There appears to be a point of demarcation where Iblees was an angel
when obedient and became Jinn after disobedience.Any thoughts?
peace
I tend to lean to the idea now of iblees was an angel and became a jinn
But really argument and counter arguments are very strong
God bless
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I tend to lean to the idea now of iblees was an angel and became a jinn
Peace -- no, the jinn (i.e. controller type) were created before humans ...
1526-31 and surely creation we of the human from clay from black mud altered being and the jinn creation we him from before from fire the scorching and when said lord your to the controllers indeed I going to create mortal of from clay from black mud altered being so when fashion I him and blew I in him from spirit mine so fall ye of to him sjidna fasajada l-malikatu/the controllers all them together being except iblis refused that being with l-sjidna
Talks about those "that do" NOT about those "who do not" ...
1649-50 and to god yasjudu what in the heavens/skies and what in the land of dbbatin/creature (type) wal-malikatu/and the controllers and they not arrogant being fearing lord theirs from over them and fulfilling what commanded being
7206 indeed the ones near/with lord your not arrogant being about devotedness his and glorifying him and to him yasjudna
Talks about those "that do" AND also those "who do not" ...
2218 did not see that the god yasjudu to him entities in the heavens/skies and entities in the land and the sun and the moon and the stars and the mountains and the vegetation and the creatures and much of the humankind and much justified on him/said person the punishment and whom humiliates the god so not to him any conferrer of honor indeed the god fulfilled what willed
2724-25 and found I her and folk hers yasjudna to the sun from besides the god and beautified for them the devil deeds theirs so aversion theirs about the path so they not guided being that not yasjud to god the one evicted the hidden in the heavens/skies and the land and knoweth what thou concealing and what thou declaring
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Peace -- no, the jinn (i.e. controller type) were created before humans ...
1526-31 and surely creation we of the human from clay from black mud altered being and the jinn creation we him from before from fire the scorching and when said lord your to the controllers indeed I going to create mortal of from clay from black mud altered being so when fashion I him and blew I in him from spirit mine so fall ye of to him sjidna fasajada l-malikatu/the controllers all them together being except iblis refused that being with l-sjidna
Talks about those "that do" NOT about those "who do not" ...
1649-50 and to god yasjudu what in the heavens/skies and what in the land of dbbatin/creature (type) wal-malikatu/and the controllers and they not arrogant being fearing lord theirs from over them and fulfilling what commanded being
7206 indeed the ones near/with lord your not arrogant being about devotedness his and glorifying him and to him yasjudna
Talks about those "that do" AND also those "who do not" ...
2218 did not see that the god yasjudu to him entities in the heavens/skies and entities in the land and the sun and the moon and the stars and the mountains and the vegetation and the creatures and much of the humankind and much justified on him/said person the punishment and whom humiliates the god so not to him any conferrer of honor indeed the god fulfilled what willed
2724-25 and found I her and folk hers yasjudna to the sun from besides the god and beautified for them the devil deeds theirs so aversion theirs about the path so they not guided being that not yasjud to god the one evicted the hidden in the heavens/skies and the land and knoweth what thou concealing and what thou declaring
The command was to the Malaika? Why iblees is included if he was jinn. Did this command also include the jinn entity
Or Maybe I am not understanding you
God bless
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The command was to the Malaika? Why iblees is included if he was jinn. Did this command also include the jinn entity
Or Maybe I am not understanding you
God bless
the jinn created 1st (iblis)
the human created 2nd (adam)command given to l-malikatu (includes jinn type)
not iblis refused then became jinn he was alreadypeace and blessing!
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the jinn created 1st (iblis)
the human created 2nd (adam)command given to l-malikatu (includes jinn type)
not iblis refused then became jinn he was alreadypeace and blessing!
May Allah bless you brother noon. Most of the times truth is right into our face but we cannot see it. Thanks for your explanation.
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Salaam,
Salam to All,
Please can anyone tell me who is Satan, what is his Nature i.e is he a Jinn by nature or creation or what is he (obviously he is not human) or is he an Angel.
Please don't ask me what I is he according to me because I wouldn't have ask. If you want help me understand you are welcome and I will appreciate it
God bless you are
A possible explanation
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607818.msg376044#msg376044
Allah knows best.
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the jinn created 1st (iblis)
the human created 2nd (adam)command given to l-malikatu (includes jinn type)
not iblis refused then became jinn he was alreadypeace and blessing!
Thank you brother noon for replying
the jinn created 1st (iblis)
the human created 2nd (adam)The above statement is understood
command given to l-malikatu (includes jinn type)
This I did not understand? Why is it including Jinn? Is it the Arabic language Grammer? If so can you explain to me little bit more. I mean if the command was only to Angels (controllers) how would it been addressed?
God bless you
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I agree, taking the story literally is a problem like when it is said
"get down from here"peace brother hawk,
i was just busy in some personal matters thats y repling late..this thing once asked from me "get down from here" its not that hard to tackle though..
example if somebody's in fort and king order him get down/descend/get away from here .. its just the way how author select the words..
people usually think earth is on ground level and heaven/paradise is on 2nd, 3rd, fourth floor thats not the case..thats why they take this desending physically..
What does the garden story represent metaphorically to you?
after thinking and reading a lot, different NEW things comes in mind whenever u read that story, it appears its a metaphorical story in shape of lesson about the nature and properties of human bodies(provided with characters) weakness, intelligence, secured future, desires, fear of losing something, are described in a story manner.
What is the one way, dinn, religion, path, guidance according to you?
whatever is to me doesnt really matter brother..i m gone far away now.
the only blind following thing was quran in my life but true creator give me lessons of life i applied some rules from that book that turn my tables upside down,once i was blind followed my nation,family,values,fika BUT slowly slowly i learn a painful truth, it was a pain for a bit but then i realise its good that i discover the truth/or their hidden side before i waste more time..
then i suddenly discover freeminds several years ago.. from then only blind faith if i got was QURAN.. (was still in me) but unfortunately things are not going in line (lot of things) ..
if God wills to misguide someone there is none can guide him(in case of quran) if he wills to misguide me by the painful memories of my life and if he wills to bring negative results from my faith upon quran , then as a human nature i cant help myself , either the pressure of thinking make me insane so better not to think about it( means a distance from all religious dogmas)
is that possible when there was banu abbasi era was goin on people/scholars change the meanings of something to something else and install it in a dictionary and its no way back to check either whats the truth behind that word? that first thing come in my mind when i had failed experiments from advices of quran.. i m helpless in this , if i m going on wrong path i also know therez nothing that can change me apart from creator.. so lets see where i end.
honesty and blind faith = (DANGEROUS combination)
nope I do not know what Iblis was made of in the previous state.
actually what i get from text , there was not any previous nature of ibless, he was always naar , and he is naar..
about label/status we can say God blessed him some features what controllers got it like any controlling powers..
its like a police department.. once a human/jinn/(any being) was controller of traffic/crimes..and then he refused to obey the rules/commands/system and he get suspended/disqualified/sacked ...
now he will do the crimes as he already knows how controllers work and hez experienced in doing crimes. from his experience he can give a huge loss to society/law as he already know the high and low of his field...
another question here (what if ibless want to seek forgiveness) ? as much i think about that story more disturbing questions comes in my mind.. may God help us all..