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Noah ,the ark and location

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    si_di
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    Didn?t know that Noah was abondend from his wife when he told her about a Flood is coming

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    "Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter."

    Maybe he wasnt seen as a Prophet by his wife

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      i was mistakenly to belive that Noah was on the Ark with his Family but i found Nothing.He only had followers from the lower class and on one Occasion he saw his son ouside when the Flood started but this could also be meant nonfamiliar like priest say to younger men my son.

      But if it is meant to be his own son the god goes to say that he his not his son because he did not listen to the warnings

      So,there are no sons of Noah ,no decendens from the blessed ones or the cursed one like the bible says only later after the Flood Noah had a Family from whom decended "David, Solomon, Job, Joseph ,Mose and Harun"684

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        si_di
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        What doe s the word "aHbitou" in sura 1148 mean ;get down

        Dr. Ghali
        It was said, "O Nuh, (Noah) get down in Peace from Us, and blessings upon you and upon nations from (among) the ones with you. And (to other) nations We will soon give enjoyment, thereafter painful torment from Us will touch them." (i.e., befall them)

        In which Connection is get down meant is it the boat?Why not get on the boat?What sort of a boat is this?

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          Peace si di.
          But when the boat reached its destination Noah was told to "Ahbitou" from it.
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

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            si_di
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            @goodlogic

            thanks,my arabic is not so good i thought in this ayat it is meant to embark the ship whereas it is Arrival Scene

            well this ayat is also to be worth to ponder on is god indicating that other nations will follow Noahs ex-People?

            And (to other) nations We will soon give enjoyment, thereafter painful torment from Us will touch them." (i.e., befall them)

            Maybe AD and Thamud?

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              I suppose it means all the "Ummam" including us.

              Some humans are good and some are not. The human summary(All the generations!) is in that aya.
              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                si_di
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                I suppose it means all the "Ummam" including us.

                Some humans are good and some are not. The human summary(All the generations!) is in that aya.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

                That is a possibility

                Maybe you can help me to a previous thought i have about the boat because it was ayat before that "aHbitou""to go of"the ship .

                wa-qla rkab fh bi-smi llhi majrh wa-mursh inna rabb la-ghafrun ramun
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                He said, ?Board it In the Name of Allah it shall set sail and cast anchor. Indeed my Lord is all-forgiving, all-merciful.?

                What do arabs say when they go on ship/Horse/bicyle verb+pr?positon ?

                Do they say something with fi?I thought ?la is the proper Pr?position?

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                  It depends on what you are boarding.If it is a camel you say. "Irkabu Alaihi"( On it)

                  If it is a car or a boat you say"Irkabu Fiha". My understanding of the difference is the latter you are really going inside it (Fiha).
                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace.

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                    si_di
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                    My understanding is also that you go inside so it is a closed boat like a submarin but a submarin would break in two if it is hit by a big wave like describe in the quranic Noah Story.

                    The best shape would be like that of emergency ships closed and round,there is an Author who came also to that Thesis.

                    So to a round Ark" irkabu fiha" would fit

                    psSymbolically it Shows the circle of life with Noahs People ending and beginning with Noah a the People/animals on Board

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                      the shape of the ark is subject for a debatte

                      ?Whenever the chiefs of his people passed by him, they mocked at him??

                      If he build a cubicBoat with a Hut on top that would look like House so no reason for a Mockery.But Noah responded in a bold way back

                      ??If you ridicule us now, verily we too shall mock at you, even as you mock (at us). But soon will you know who it is on whom will descend a penalty which will cover them with shame and upon whom will fall a lasting penalty.? 1138-39

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                        si_di
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                        it is remarkable that the quran is quiet when it comes to the material of the ark it only says".. well planked and nailed"

                        and the bible says gopher wood what is unknown

                        just a sugestion to you what would happened to an ark made of wood when it a rock ,yes there would be whole that is fatal.

                        this made to draw a hypothesis of a round ark made of iron and shaped like a discuss not to get damaged when the flood pushed the ark against a hill .

                        thats farfetched i know but hey we are freeminds and who knows maybe thats right.

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                          In the last movie about Noah ,when he dreamed about gods punishment for his People he went to his Father to tell him that Judgement comes.

                          He already knew its coming but he asked how and Noah told him by Flood ;he saidi thought it would be through fire ;thats what his Father told him meaning Idriss.

                          But he was correct it wasn?t just water also eruptions occured

                          "1140. Until, when Our command came, and the volcano erupted, We said, ?Board into it a pair of every kind, and your family?except those against whom the sentence has already been passed?and those who have believed.? But those who believed with him were only a few."

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                            Did you find a volcano in the Middle east?

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                              Did you find a volcano in the Middle east?

                              There were old volcanoes that used to be alive you could say

                              https//farm1.staticflickr.com/46/167575172_4db0e3c305_b.jpg

                              There are more in Yemen here in this link https//www.volcanodiscovery.com/yemen.html

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                                si_di
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                                There were old volcanoes that used to be alive you could say

                                Jemen fits more because of its near by Ocean Location and the monsoon that occors in that area ,that would explain the "Opening of the heaven"rain Scenario.

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                                  si_di
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                                  Why did god not tell Noah to go to another land if we take a local Flood in consideration and it is proofed to be so.

                                  why Building a Boat

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                                    I guess the armenien hoaxers made in China did not read all the scriptures dealing with Noah so that they would have had chosen a more suitable place.

                                    ?...the curse of Allah be on him if he is one of the liars.? (Surah an-Nr 24

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                                      Do we have found the Ark?
                                      https//nypost.com/2018/11/19/explorers-claim-they-found-noahs-ark-on-top-of-mountain-in-iran/

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                                        The remnants of the Ark were unveiled in the last few decades, archaeologist Ron Wyatt identified it in Turkey near Mount Uddi, it fits the bible and Qur'an definition.http//www.covenantkeepers.co.uk/images/stereo_photo1.JPG

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