Adam's sons story

NK

Peace,

In the story of Adam's sons in Quran, how did one of the son's offering accepted by God? I mean how did he know that his offering was accepted? Who told him?

Thanks,
NK

imrankhawaja

interesting question )

although lets see what tradition said

1 the sacrifice of one of them accepted.
2 there was one women between them who caused the trouble

in worldy life if that situation happened we see this way and its more disturbing let say

father got two sons one is evil one is good
father bought a paly station for one of them whois good ..
the other one steal/ break the game or kill his brother to get the playstation in a result( obv what else u can expect from evil one).

who will be responsible for that action ? father
who b regretting more ? father
then father will think alas i provide both of them games atleast i provide the evil one game for saving my good one from him , no he ll gona cry for the whole life and people will say himu did unjustive with one of them so taste the punishment of that unjustice. but with God everything can be adressed coz hez God above from law.

sometimes these stories make no sense at all...

imrankhawaja

duplicate post admin delete it plz

good_logic

Peace NK.
How does anyone communicate with GOD?

Now ,I will put to you another story like this
Suppose Hitler and Ghandi lived together as brothers. GOD accepted repentence from Ghandi but did not accept from Hitler.
Hitler was pretending, while Ghandi was sincere. Hitler was jealous of Ghandi and had him killed....etc.

Are humans not like this sometimes?
My thoughts only.
GOD bless you.
Peace

hawk99

Peace,

In the story of Adam's sons in Quran, how did one of the son's offering accepted by God? I mean how did he know that his offering was accepted? Who told him?

Thanks,
NK

Peace NK, the story is about the toxicity of jealousy.

The selfish, ego, soul (nafsuhu) of the other led him to the murder of his brother
he murdered him, and became one of the lost ones.

peace

Jafar

In the story of Adam's sons in Quran, how did one of the son's offering accepted by God? I mean how did he know that his offering was accepted? Who told him?

If the story was true, that's a good question....

During my childhood years, I posted the same question, and the murabbi answer was
They burn their offering, and Abel found the smoke goes straight to heaven while Cain found the smoke goes to the side and did not goes straight to heaven.

If (again) the story was true, definitely it is due to the wind.
And Abel should have explain this to his brother by

Abel "No worries bro, it's due to the wind, it doesn't mean that my offering was better than yours or God did not accepted yours".
Cain "Yeah bro.. perhaps you're right.."
Abel "By the way, have you ever wondered why we need to burn this offering? Do you really think God need food or what?"
Cain "Good question, I don't know it myself, I found our dad performed the same thing too and we just follow his tradition"

good_logic

Peace jafar.
Where do you see smoke or offering?
What does"Karraba Kurbanaan" mean?
I see no smoke or fire . I see pretence and sincerity to follow the straight path. I see jealousy / pride/arrogance at work. I see hatred of one system from the other.

Please get nearer to your creator with sincerity(Karrib Rabbaka Kurbanan Saleem" and see what the Qoran message is really saying to you!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Jafar

Where do you see smoke or offering?

The question should be "who".. like mentioned above.. my murabbi said so...

As for the answer of "where".. I never met any of them that's why I asked my murabbi in my madrassa when he recite the story of Cain and Abel.. (Qabil and Habil in Arabic)

I should have followed the questions to my Murabbi with
"Where did you meet Qabil and Habil?"
"How did you know them?"

I see no smoke or fire .

You saw Adam's sons performed their offering?
Thus you can say you see no smoke or fire?

NK

Peace to all,

My question remain the same who told Abel or son of Adam that his offering has been accepted. Who told him that going into straight path is right for God?.

Let me give one more verse It is Chapter 3 verse 37 in which the words are important. How did they know that God has accepted Marry? Who told them?

Thanks,
NK

huruf

Peace to all,

My question remain the same who told Abel or son of Adam that his offering has been accepted. Who told him that going into straight path is right for God?.

Let me give one more verse It is Chapter 3 verse 37 in which the words are important. How did they know that God has accepted Marry? Who told them?

Thanks,
NK

In aya 3.37 it seems obvious it is God who says speaking of Himself in third person singular as He does in the previous ayas. He says He accepted Maryam's mother offer with beautiful aceptance.

As to the two brothers, again God Himself is telling us, that one's offer is being accepted, and not the other. We do not have any particulars about any of the two save that one was min al dhalimin, of the wrongdoers and not the other.

Also I doubt very much that it is a story of two particular people or told as such. May be there were those two particular people, but it is told in general, as a representation of human kind, we are all brothers and sisters, but we turn into competitors as if there was no God enough for each of us. We think there only so much amount of God, and we want it for ourselves and want to put the others of f the quest for God. That is lack of knowledge and lack of faith.

What we lack and what we do not lack, of course, God knows, and therefore He can accept or reject what we offer to Him. If we offer self deception, He cannot accept that, because that is against His own law.

Obviously this adam here is human kind in its earlier stages. The two brothers are any two persons of that early stage which in fact impersonate for the story any two persons of any stage or age and the story closes with the rule that killing one person is like killing all of humanity and saving one person is like saving all of humanity.

I think it is very eloquently said and very moving. Why so jeallous, why so envious, why so worried that there won't be enough for us all and therefore I must hoard and keep you off my possessions or privileges. That applies to everything, rich versus poor, male versus female, white versus black or any other combination which may place some human as fearing the competition of other humans for whatever, even for crumb.

Salaam

good_logic

Peace NK.
Do you believe Qoran is the word of GOD?
Then your question does not make sense. GOD is saying one was accepted and one was not to us.
GOD is not saying he told the brothers or who told the brothers.

Is this not simple?. We are not told who told them ,how did they work each other out or any such details. What is clear is one was with GOD and one was not. The lesson is clear, the details are not and are not needed.
All you are going to get for answers are speculations and guesses.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

good_logic

Peace jafar.
younare saying this to me? Quote

You saw Adam's sons performed their offering?
Thus you can say you see no smoke or fire?

Of course I was there!!!!, I used to play with both of them as a child????

Or are you trying to ignore my advice of studying Qoran to see what it is really saying?
Just show me where it says about smoke and fire in the story since none of us have there.
GOD bless you.
Peace

NewFrenzy

Peace,

In the story of Adam's sons in Quran, how did one of the son's offering accepted by God? I mean how did he know that his offering was accepted? Who told him?

Thanks,
NK

he was pious and God except only from righteous.
Adam told him that.

Jafar

Peace jafar.
younare saying this to me? Quote

You saw Adam's sons performed their offering?
Thus you can say you see no smoke or fire?

Of course I was there!!!!, I used to play with both of them as a child????

Then you met their parent too?
What did you guys usually play with as a child?

Just show me where it says about smoke and fire in the story since none of us have there.

Like I said, my murabbi said the offering was burnt by fire, the smoke rise directly to heaven for Abel and to the side for Cain. when I asked him the same question during my childhood time in Madrassa.
I should have asked him additional clarification questions of how did he knew that? Did he saw the event himself?
The same questions that I asked to you now..

But back then I was afraid, as Islamic tradition doesn't appreciate curious mind.
Boys who asked too many questions are regarded as among the "bad boys"..
Boys who just obey are rewarded as "good boys".. (shamina waatona.. we hear we obey)

But since you saw the event yourselves..
I believe you are more correct on this matter.... and my Murabbi was wrong..

NK

New Frenzy,

Thanks for your answer and you are absolutely correct. I totally agree with you.

I disagree with the traditional understanding of fire from heaven consumed the offering. In verse 337 we were told that God has accepted her. Similar way Zachariah was prophet and he told everyone that she has been accepted by God. Same way like we were told by Quran through Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

Thanks,
NK.

good_logic

Peace NK.
How can you be sure Adam told him? Does it say it somewhere in Qoran?
Why can t he have been told by GOD(Either in inspiration or through Angel or...i.e the usual chanel that GOD uses to communicate with for all believers.
I think we can only speculate on this question. There is no clear answer.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

good_logic

Brother jafar.
I get it , you are looking for an excuse not to study Qoran, I will provide you with one here

A year has 365 days for you to study. After taking away 52 Sundays, there are only 313 days left.
There are 50 days in the summer that is way too hot to work so there are only 263 days left.
We sleep 8 hours a day, in a year, that counts up to 122 days so now we're left with 141 days.
If we fooled around for only 1 hour a day, 15 days are gone, so we are left with 126 days.
We spend 2 hours eating each day, 30 days are used in this way in the year, and we are left with 96 days in our year.
We spend 1 hour a day speaking to friends and family, that takes away 15 days more and we are left with 81 days.
Posting in this forum at least 35 days in your year, hence you are only left with 46 days.
Taking off approximately 40 days of holidays, you are only left with 6 days.
Say you are sick for a minimum of 3 days, you're left with 3 days in the year to study!
Let's say you only go out for 2 days... You're left with 1 day. But that 1 day is your birthday.

Enjoy yourself brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Jafar

Brother jafar.
I get it , you are looking for an excuse not to study Qoran, I will provide you with one here

You are rambling out of the topic again....

Like I said, since you have stated that you have personally met with Adam's sons and witnessed the event with your own two eyes..
I believe your testimony that there isn't any smoke or fire when Adam's sons performed their offering / sacrifice.

good_logic

May be next time brother jafar.
For now I will go and get on with my offering and sacrifice. If you see smoke and fire do not panic. It will be me . May be you can come and enjoy the barbecue with me.

Sorry NK for the off topic. I am trying to sell my "religion" to jafar., but he is too clever to buy it.
jafar s religion is to warn people against all the "bad" religions"..
GOD bless.
Peace.

si_di

If quran is not telling what offering was giving go to the AT Maybe you find some hint or what profession they had.