Allah is ENERGY

kaltun

Hi everyone....
(834-6) Do not these think that they shall be raised again, for a mighty day, the day on which men shall stand before the Lord of the worlds?
3967 They measure not God with His true measure. The earth altogether shall be His handful on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens shall be rolled up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! High be He exalted above that they associate!
May I know what is IN HIS RIGHT HAND and the other is HANDFUL?.
4381 Say 'If the All-merciful has a son, then I am the first to serve him.
2117 had We desired to take to Us a diversion We would have taken it to Us from Ourselves, had We done aught.
(Genesis 126-2 God now said, "Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness; and let them hold sway over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky, over the beasts, over all the earth, over all that creeps upon the earth." So God created the human beings in image, creating in the image of God, creating them male and female. God then blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and tame it; hold sway over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky, and over every animal that creeps on the earth."
I don?t know the existing Torah is right or wrong but whatever go in line with quran I accept the torah? but I definitely believe in torah which God revealed..Infusions can be identified in the light of quran..
Point to ponder why always God says I have not begotten a son? Why God says how can I have a son while I don?t have a wife?Why God says if there is a son of God will be from what He created?A Son from Energy?. Ha ha ha? Why God said HE has eyes and handful and amazingly right hand and also both hands in different verses.. we know hand has many meanings but not as per those particular verses?? Why Jesus said What is in Your Heart or in your soul or innnerself (God?s NAFSIKA).. it?s not a guess coz jesus will say this in the presence of God..5116.. Doesn?t allah talk.. Yes He is? Didn?t Allah BLOW the life to Adam and Jesus? Isn?t Allah Merciful? Is Energy merciful? Isn?t Allah?s hands so big to hold the heavens and Earth in His both hands?? Doesn?t Allah write.. ? Yes He is.. 3127 ?And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea , replenished thereafter by seven seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.?
Does it make sense if Allah uses His hands to write? Didn?t Allah taught human with Pen?
Isnt Allah busy every day and occupied as per His verses..?
Didn?t Allah say the following in 2255
He is Ever Living? No Slumber or Sleep overtake Him.. Didn?t He say that?Why Slumber and Sleep? Why God compared all these facts that could have to His creatures to depict Him by saying NO.. Doesn?t He try to give us a message He has a physic but not comparable and equal to what is of His creatures but have the features for us to think who the God is?
Will not God and the Malaika descend on the day of Judgment? If God doesn?t have a physic why Gibreel and Malaika ascend (make sure not descend but ascend) to God which takes 50000 years?Isn?t that the place where God is Ever Living..? Why we all should stand in rows in front of God on the day of judgment if He has no Physic?
Isn?t Allah a visible thing on the day of Judgment ? 7522-23
Didn?t Allah talk to Mosa in an audible voice? Didn?t Mosa believed that Allah has a physic and requested HIM to show Himself? Didn?t Allah accepted it to reveal Him.. but inability of the earth to hold the presence of God manifested and it was not also meant to be happened by God? Oh what a fortunate fellow this Mosa was? God was ready to Show himself and didn?t refuse and reacted to it.. 7143
Further Doesn?t Allah have Arsh in which He remains and Malaika are hovering it ? Didn?t Allah use the same word of Throne (arsh) to depict human Arsh in which the King or queen be seated?
I have no confusion our Lord my Creator has a physic? But how He looks is after seeing Him only? Till then let me call Him in His beautiful Names?If He has name/s then for sure He has a physic..
May God bless us....

Slm jkhan,

thx for your vision , its makes so many thing clear for me, but i dont think that Allah created us to his image

(Genesis 126-2 God now said, "Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness;

Cause in al-Ikhlas 4
And not is for Him equivalent any .Quran 1124 https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/112/4/default.htm

May Allah guide us to the strait path

bagyane

Salam,
If you removed everything from your mind, which you can feel, touch, see, smell or hear and all sort of reasoning, then you will end up with one entity beyond senses and reasoning, that is Allah, the first and the last <a href="http//tanzil.net/#573">573</a> no vision can comprehend him <a href="http//tanzil.net/#6103">6103</a> and nothing is like him laysa kamithlihi shayon <a href="http//tanzil.net/#4211">4211</a>

Mahdi_Ibrahim

But everything is within "reason (the LordLaw of Cause and Effect)" because Allah is not crazy (illogical) ...

Pharaoh said, What is this LordLaw of the Universe?

Moses answered "The LordLaw of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them (ie. LordLaw of Nature / Energy), if you want to be certain (reasoning)".

(2623-24)

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
Would you agree first that Allah is just the Arabic word for GOD.
Also do you agree there are different types of energy? Which one is Allah?
Now we can define GOD from Qoran Unique, , Absolute One( i.e not comparable), creates, intelligent designer, ...etc.
Explain more about your reasoning please,just to clarify for us?
Thank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

bagyane

But everything is within "reason (the LordLaw of Cause and Effect)" because Allah is not crazy (illogical) ...

Pharaoh said, What is this LordLaw of the Universe?

Moses answered "The LordLaw of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them (ie. LordLaw of Nature / Energy), if you want to be certain (reasoning)".

(2623-24)

I thought you are in the capacity to reason beyond reasoning?

Mahdi_Ibrahim

I thought you are in the capacity to reason beyond reasoning?

There is no such thing as "to reason beyond reasoning" ..

Everything about The LordLaw of Cause & Effect, ie. "reasoning".

'Miracles are not contrary to nature but only contrary to what we know about nature. ' St. Augustine

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Would you agree first that Allah is just the Arabic word for GOD.

No. There is NO GOD and Allah mean One who is not illah

One who is not a deity/god for adoration or worship.

I need no provisions from them, nor do I need them to give food. (5157)

Also do you agree there are different types of energy?

What's the difference? It is ENERGY.

different types of energy? Which one is Allah?

Allah is the ONE ENERGY

Allah is the Light "of EVERYTHING"/1121-2. (2435)

ie. the Energy without "LIGHT UPON LIGHT (energy upon energy)"

Light upon Light. Allah guides to His (ONE) Light. (2435)

All creations are the "LIGHT UPON LIGHT (energy upon energy)"

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Your only existence is "consciousness" for Allah/Energy.

Are you?

You cannot will, unless Allah wills. (7630)

He who has created all things in the best possible way. He commenced the creation of man from (#MotherEarth) clay (unawareness); then produced his seed from an extract of base fluid (unawareness); then formed him and breathed His Ruh (ENERGY) into him and (only then) gave you hearing (consciousness), sight (consciousness) and hearts (consciousness). What little thanks (for "Consciousness" to Energy/ LordLaw of Cause & Effect/ EcoLogic) you show (ie. being ILLOGICAL, unnatural, insanity = shirk)! (327-9)

Who controls hearing and sight? (1031)

Who?

Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he's destroying is this God he's worshiping!

Which of you is mad? (686)

jkhan

Hi Kaltun?
We cannot claim that God has made human or Jin to the shape of His?. We cannot also negate it? Coz it?s a mystery until perceive it and see with naked eyes? But, we humans have been sort of knowledge and freedom to think and guidance and His books? That?s only a possible views? not more than that?
Yes.. nothing is equal to God? it?s very clear and a well known fact? A tiny fish in the sea and mammoth shark also fish? Are they equal but have they got the features? God compares Himself?. Who is better Judge than Allah? Who is Merciful than Allah? etc.. with whom he is comparing with men and Jinn? In the First place why God should compare HIM with Men and Jinn? Is it coz HE is mightier and He is not lowly like us, but we are just HIS creation?And most importantly He didn?t give HIS secrets to anyone and He doesn?t share Kingship with anyone?
As per Genesis, I don?t know how far the translations are correct..? But God says OUR image not My image?suppose if God created the Adam or even the Jinns to His image, it doesn?t mean we are equal to HIM.. No way? Does it? His attributes are never equal and will never be.. That?s why HE is Lord? After all the most closely taken creatures of HIS is MEN and JIN and They both will be in Janna and will Suffer in Hell.. These are very crucial factors to deduce? Isn?t Prophet Ibrahim be His close intimate?. What is it?
God bless us with what is right..

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
What is the Arabic word for GOD -English- Or Dieu- French-...?

I see ,there is no god except Allah. I agree here.

I just wonder why the word worship comes to it. We are translating the one word Allah in English, surely it cannot be a sentence?

Also, just because people worship GOD , it does not mean there is no ilah for worship. GOD of course is not needy of anything, but some people insist on worshipping GOD anyway.. I also agree GOD does not need us to worship or do anything for Him(No gender).
My understanding of energy, light,electricity, gas,neutrons,...are all creations like atoms, things, humans,...
And this is where you and I disagree. But that is fine.
I get the rest of what you are trying to convey about respect for the environment and all creations.
GOD bless you.
Peace

Mahdi_Ibrahim

What is the Arabic word for GOD -English- Or Dieu- French-...?

I see ,there is no god except Allah. I agree here.

I just wonder why the word worship comes to it. We are translating the one word Allah in English, surely it cannot be a sentence?

"Signs" can be translated ...

Also, just because people worship GOD , it does not mean there is no ilah for worship. GOD of course is not needy of anything, but some people insist on worshipping GOD anyway.. I also agree GOD does not need us to worship or do anything for Him(No gender).
My understanding of energy, light,electricity, gas,neutrons,...are all creations like atoms, things, humans,...
And this is where you and I disagree.

Energy is "the capacity for doing work"

Energy is the ability to produce change in an object or its environment.

Energy is the ability of a physical system to cause change.

Thus, it is Allah.

I get the rest of what you are trying to convey about respect for the environment and all creations.
GOD bless you.
Peace

GOD bless you.
Peace

imrankhawaja

brother GL hes same like you rotfl yay his needle is stuck here

ENERGY = capacity of doing work.

i remeber once somebody was saying 1 gram of coacine got 3 hour capacity of work so logically there is some kind of energy in coacaine what make people workable.lol

whatever you will say he will come with this ultimate equation invented by him.

GL u have a match now JK lol and surprisingly my post number 3636 what a pair post ! even in quran 36 36 talking about pairs if im not mistaken. hmm

Mahdi_Ibrahim

ENERGY = capacity of doing work.

i remeber once somebody was saying 1 gram of coacine got 3 hour capacity of work so logically there is some kind of energy in coacaine what make people workable.lol

whatever you will say he will come with this ultimate equation invented by him.

No... I did not invent the definition of energy but the scientists..

So what is your answer to our issue?

who comes first?

A. Allah

B. Energy

A or B?

Trolling is not an argument...

good_logic

Peace Imran.
Coincidence or what ? like number 19 for me!
Brother Mahdi has advanced to "no GOD for worship",but still stuck with Qoran?

I am still trying to make out the human logic, we think we are clever and our logic is good ,but most of the time it is.-Hesitant and confused-

I hope you stay with Qoran at least brother, I have seen numerous members give up on it and on Islam to GOD and have abandoned"all gogmatic views" like they put it.
Their clever logic has won the day for them. They abandoned GOD and anything to do with GOD .
Our rebellious logic always tries to argue against GOD s logic by instinct

GOD demands "Samina Wa Atahna"-hear and obey- . Our logic demands rebellion and arrogance.

But we are who we are at the end of the day and I accept that . Everyone should be their own character.

Tomorrow at GOD s ,we are either on the same side or on opposite sides.
If we are on the same side ,I hope we are with GOD and not on the other side .

If we are on opposite sides, there is no need for "I told you so" from the one saved as we are our own reckoners here in this life.
Time will tell brother and loyalties still can change or consolidate.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

huruf

No matter what, we are creatures at His mercy, and it is on His mercy that we depend.

Salaam

imrankhawaja

No... I did not invent the definition of energy but the scientists..

NO what i am saying is you invent definition of God with the help of ENERGY provided to you by computer. lol

no scientist in my life i see claiming God is energy.

scientists also invent definitions of all other energies what u are skipping to define as demi-gods or parts/sections of God?.
look things are not clear from ur side..

So what is your answer to our issue?
A or B?

my brother i ll happily start sharing my views on subject when we will meet the full criteria of your equation..

you are not telling me anything about TIME factor? ok lets skip this part if u are willing to ..

are us asking what comes first (Allah) A ? or (energy) B ?

for this experiment you need to provide me parts of both subjects. lets see what we GET.

experiment on B is possible ? (yes)
experiment on A is possible ? ( you give me answer for this).

then we ll proceed talk. and tell me some details of your question like TIME factor plz what is the place of time in it ?

God bless you

imrankhawaja

Peace Imran.
Coincidence or what ? like number 19 for me!

NOT a coincidence this time TBH lol rotfl yay
i just noticed the 19 in my last post the value of second and then i see the value of second in your post give me multiple of 19 its 57 ... wao .. group

I hope you stay with Qoran at least brother, I have seen numerous members give up on it and on Islam to GOD and have abandoned"all gogmatic views" like they put it.

i will start a new thread when i finish doing my on going research and study on the books comes before 1000 ad and the best ten books got Quran and Gospels in it.. as well as veda , book by budda etc..

we ll see according to the merits of their time/space what they got and where they were wrong as per our recent discoveries..

some inspiring books are there for everyone for every taste like some books from early greek and egyptian scientists and philosphers..

as well as quran we should also study those books too its better to explore knowledge and understand what a wonderful God spread there for us..

Jafar

I am still trying to make out the human logic, we think we are clever and our logic is good ,but most of the time it is.-Hesitant and confused-

Majority of human think that they're right, pious and others are false and evil.

It need a great swallowing of pride to see what's wrong, false and evil within ourselves.
Yet that is actually what will bring the most benefits to ourselves..
And only very handful of human able to do so..

"Arrogance and ignorance goes hand in hand"
-- Holier than Thou by James H

I hope you stay with Qoran at least brother, I have seen numerous members give up on it and on Islam to GOD and have abandoned"all gogmatic views" like they put it.
Their clever logic has won the day for them. They abandoned GOD and anything to do with GOD .
Our rebellious logic always tries to argue against GOD s logic by instinct

GOD demands "Samina Wa Atahna"-hear and obey- . Our logic demands rebellion and arrogance.

Tomorrow at GOD s ,we are either on the same side or on opposite sides.
If we are on the same side ,I hope we are with GOD and not on the other side .

LOL..
You are proposing as if a "book titled Quran" = God.

God = God
God is all powerful, all controlling and everything depends on It.
Including Energy, Matter and Time.. let alone a puny being called human.

God is not 'arguing', fighting against anything within this universe, including human.
Nothing can rebel or even act against God, nothing can abandon God, it's an impossibility and illogicality.
Everything act in accordance to God's plan.

As such God is NOT on "one side" that It's fighting "the enemy / rival of that side".
God is on ALL side ALL the time.

I'll be blunt to say that the view that God is a human, God can be angry / disappointed, God is fighting / warring against something (such as The Devil), God has wives, sons and daughters (since God is a human), God is jealous of another Gods thus he fought wars with believers of other Gods, is the traditional view of polytheistic tradition. Where they see God as a deity acting as if It's a human king...

Mahdi_Ibrahim

NO what i am saying is you invent definition of God with the help of ENERGY provided to you by computer. lol

no scientist in my life i see claiming God is energy.

scientists also invent definitions of all other energies what u are skipping to define as demi-gods or parts/sections of God?.
look things are not clear from ur side..

Read the syahadat, "NO GOD"

You have GOD, I don't...

No God
Only Energy / Light / Allah

Scientists made the same claim, everything is ENERGY.

my brother i ll happily start sharing my views on subject when we will meet the full criteria of your equation..

you are not telling me anything about TIME factor? ok lets skip this part if u are willing to ..

are us asking what comes first (Allah) A ? or (energy) B ?

for this experiment you need to provide me parts of both subjects. lets see what we GET.

experiment on B is possible ? (yes)
experiment on A is possible ? ( you give me answer for this).

then we ll proceed talk. and tell me some details of your question like TIME factor plz what is the place of time in it ?

God bless you

Read here...

Re Allah is ENERGY
« Reply #37 on January 09, 2019, 035247 AM »
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Quote from imrankhawaja on January 08, 2019, 101331 AM
where is C (Time).

and before making equation complete it with Time factor.
otherwise it will be the tea without TEA pack, having milk sugar and water but not TEA.

you said WHO come first ? the time u used (First) bring a matter of time

do we know the age of matter?
do we know the age of energy?
do we know the age of TIME?

let say 13.7 billion years ago what was before that ?
what was time before time?

you have not a slight idea about energy as well as God and gravity lol.

have a break have a KiTKat

How does that change the FACT THAT

(the ISSUE)
Quote from Mahdi Ibrahim on January 07, 2019, 012019 PM
Energy is "the capacity for doing work"
Quote from Mahdi Ibrahim on January 08, 2019, 042511 AM
and He only "says" BE is ENERGY
Even "HE" (existence) without "BE" is ENERGY
Quote from Mahdi Ibrahim on January 07, 2019, 023920 PM
1123 ENERGY has not given birthcannot be destroyed nor is He borncan be created

1124 Nor is there anyonematter equal to ENERGY. (ie. energy can be transformed)

Your argument doesn't make sense at all, logic failed or #strawman.

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When will you counter this argument?

Energy is "the capacity for doing work"

Energy is the ability to produce change in an object or its environment.

Energy is the ability of a physical system to cause change.

Thus, it is Allah.

stop trolling and making arguments with your #strawman

while the actual argument remains untouched....

ISSUE who comes first?

A. Allah

B. Energy

A or B?

good_logic

Peace Jafar.
I have been saying this same thing like you here, Quote

I'll be blunt to say that the view that God is a human, God can be angry / disappointed, God is fighting / warring against something (such as The Devil), God has wives, sons and daughters (since God is a human), God is jealous of another Gods thus he fought wars with believers of other Gods, is the traditional view of polytheistic tradition. Where they see God as a deity acting as if It's a human king...

I was proposing that GOD authored Qoran or Qoran is the word/instruction from GOD according to my understanding and findings . But never what you assumed brother jafar.
Actually I was also proposing freedom of choice, to choose your god.
You know Qoran gives you your choice ,mine and everybody else s, Go on brother study it and see for yourself if that is true?
GOD bless you.
Peace,

Mahdi_Ibrahim

my brother i ll happily start sharing my views on subject when we will meet the full criteria of your equation..

you are not telling me anything about TIME factor?

E=mc2 itself says nothing about TIME

The Issue

Who comes first?

A. Allah?

B. Energy?

A or B?

When...

Energy is "the capacity for doing work"

Energy is the ability to produce change in an object or its environment.

Energy is the ability of a physical system to cause change.

Thus, it is Allah.

OR

Is Allah with disabilities?

If yes, what is there other than ENERGY ("the ability&quot?