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What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?

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    hawk99
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    nope your interpretation makes no sense! nope

    "then you establish for them "the following". What does that mean? Do they even have
    the time during war?

    "when they all submit/acknowledge" nope makes no sense.

    Anyway,

    Why you started your quote from from 268?

    Is it beacue you wanted to establish your point that we are asking for details for salat like people of Musa asked for details of the cow?

    Yes, you got it!

    How many times to stand, bow and prostrate in each ritual prayer and what to say in each action? You cannot show a verse in Quran giving you these details. You have to follow your elders blindly to perform ritual prayer but not by following God's revelation.

    Here's where we agree, You are free to "follow closely" but both spiritually as well
    as physically both are beneficial. There is no rakat system as per Quran, how
    many times you stand is up to you except in congregation one follows the leader.
    Sometimes I do one rakat (for lack of a better word) sometime two, NO you need
    not "follow the elders blindly" create your own system, you make the details,
    don't miss out on this wonderful gift from Allah. Stand bow and prostrate and say
    what you want to say with help from Quran. Make the physical salat once a day
    or five times a day it is up to you. Make it sitting if you have pain issues.
    If you miss an entire day there is no penalty.

    handshake

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      good_logic
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      Peace Novice.
      You say I am following my elders. I say I am following Millat Abraham.
      You say contact prayer is not in Qoran, I say collect all the verses about it and you will see why "Aquimi Salat cannot be anything else What is millat Abraham. What are the rites ( Manasikana)?
      Read on
      2277
      O you who believe, you shall bow, prostrate, wa Ubudu your Lord, and work righteousness, that you may succeed.

      Abraham Original Messenger of Islam*

      2278
      You shall strive for the cause of God as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion - the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Muslimeen" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall AQUIMI SALAT and give the Zakat and hold fast to God; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.

      Although all messengers preached one and the same message, ``Ubudu God alone,'' Abraham was the first messenger to this the Islam and the believer "Muslim" (212. What is Millat Abraham? We learn from 16123 that all religious duties were revealed through Abraham
      2128
      "Our Lord, make us Muslimeen to You, and from our descendants let there be a community of Muslims to You. Teach us the rites of our religion, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer, Most Merciful.

      This is what I follow brother.
      16123
      Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper..

      Of course that includes Aquimi Salat.
      Just thought I will clarify.
      GOD bless you.
      Peace

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        Dear Novice and almarh....
        My intention here in writing the reply to you both is not convince you but to say what I am convinced in Quran about Salat and its one of the meaning...
        For me 17110-111 is more than enough as verdict that salat is clear cut.... In 2238 God asks us to guard salah and stand and no other physical postures are mentioned... Imagine God says 4101-103 about Salat... Whatever u understood by it.. Doesn't matter. Just look at the verse 4103 God elaborates 03 postures in it... Standing, sitting down, on your sides... This is right after the completion of salah ... If God can manifestly say these three positions once finished the salat God won't miss out all the postures of salah.. Coz God only gave our posture for Salat.. That is standing... See the order of postures... Once salat is over.. Salat is only standing... So once it is ended those who performed salat will be in Standing position spontaneously .. Even after salat God orders to remember Him but it is not Salat but just remembering... So standing then once tired of standing then sitting then tired move on to sides... That's so natural... If Salat ended in physical sujud..i.e..in a sitting position thrn to say immediately to remember after Salat to STANDING AND SITTING AND ON SIDES... it's pretty weird...
        4142 even hypocrites so salat just to show... But here also only given the command as STANDING and no other postures..
        Even zakaria while he is doing Salat he was standing... No other postures stated.. Remember don't confuse the meaning of sujud... For me sujud is not at all a physical posture... I don't mind what is your understanding of sujud.. I will prove it if anyone open a new topic on it..
        Even God says don't stand in such Masjid.. Here also only posture is standing..
        Even one of the familiar verses 6211 Here also the standing...
        I have the above explanation just for everyone to think.. But for me 17110 - 111 is more than enough as physical Salat..
        How hilarious you guys asking how many times to do rakah...has God explained you how many times to wash your hands and face etc.. If your mom asked you to wash your hands before eating when you were kids.. Would you ask how many times or how I have to wash... It's self perceptions... We know why we wash hands n not the repetition . But God has ordered to wash.. Just wash it.. Does that order not consist one time at least ...??? You like to do it 2 , 3 4 or whatever.... Keep doing... If God asked us to stand.. Do we need to know how many times to stand in Salat ... This is nonsensical at level best...
        If there is a beginning there is ending... If you wash your face you have to complete washing it and we can't ask how to complete washing the face.. If god asked us to wash the hand till elbow we can't keep asking which point of elbow.. Oh water went past the elbow.. Oh God water went upto my armpit... Or water went Upto my knees.. Just rubbish.. Don't put youraelf into hardship.. God is so crystal clear.. Just keep it simple... Same way.. Once you making salat you need to complete it and cannot keep doing forever.. If it is Fajr.. You can't keep it doing till sunrise... We are doing salat to admire our load on given and specified time so we go to make it during that time... After all we humble in Salat with great humility and if we feel that's enough thrn end it... That's up to you.. Afterall a true surrenderer will end it with much of submission..
        For these God doesn't need to give step by step rules.. As of property division... As of anyone's capabilities they can admire God to be in connection with God... Salt is least if connection but there are many ways to approach God...

        God has taught us Salat... 2239 ...even in this verse.. We can understand that while riding or walking the act of Salat can be performed without causing any blemishes to it.. Coz the only posture for Salat is standing.. If the salt involves many a complicated positions as we are aware.. Then this verse needs further explanation hoe to do the Salat while riding and walking... That's must.. At least for me..
        God bless us all..

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          imrankhawaja
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          4101-103.

          protecting,helping,gaurding,security all can be attitudes/kinds/parts of sala.
          one can perform it in the cause of God by not taking service money etc.

          in seventh century that sala was need for community when they were under attack (security issues) hence focusing on all parts of sala give us and warn us about duties more than rituals.

          modern person is getteing his sala done through CCTV rotfl i rate those people 1400 yrs ago, they faced tough time and its obvious they give duties at those times considered as salas for ch 107 good example set there, as much i think about that chapter the concept of sala make me think more about it. so in this ERA its our duty/responsibilty to check what sala we can perform for our God that will give benefit to the people of God.

          although sunni/shia people are using modern technology in their mosques using gps loudspeakers etc.

          Quran is empty about the methods of ritual
          called namaz(pray) what people take is as sala?

          103 is clearing that movement of actions are not really important.( may b people used to do in ritualistic pray and it can be dangerous in war ground etc).

          REAL thing is they must b sincear in giving duties when community need it like wars, flood, earthquake, tsonami etc.

          author try to make people understand what their sala should be but all
          nations before us make their rituals their sala just that they dnt have to spend their money and services in cause of God , its pretty easy way to dodge God.

          God bless you all

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            good_logic
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            Peace Imran.
            When you say, quote

            author try to make people understand what their sala should be but all
            nations before us make their rituals their sala just that they dnt have to spend their money and services in cause of God , its pretty easy way to dodge God.

            The author is asking them to do both and more" Aquimi Salat, Give Zakat and do good deeds"
            Those who dodge are fooling themselves not GOD.--Khasiru Anfusahum- neglected their souls, real sef.
            GOD bless yu.
            Peace.

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              My intention here in writing the reply to you both is not convince you but to say what I am convinced in Quran about Salat and its one of the meaning...
              For me 17110-111 is more than enough as verdict that salat is clear cut.... In 2238 God asks us to guard salah and stand and no other physical postures are mentioned... Imagine God says 4101-103 about Salat... Whatever u understood by it.. Doesn't matter. Just look at the verse 4103 God elaborates 03 postures in it... Standing, sitting down, on your sides... This is right after the completion of salah ... If God can manifestly say these three positions once finished the salat God won't miss out all the postures of salah.. Coz God only gave our posture for Salat.. That is standing... See the order of postures... Once salat is over.. Salat is only standing... So once it is ended those who performed salat will be in Standing position spontaneously .. Even after salat God orders to remember Him but it is not Salat but just remembering... So standing then once tired of standing then sitting then tired move on to sides... That's so natural... If Salat ended in physical sujud..i.e..in a sitting position thrn to say immediately to remember after Salat to STANDING AND SITTING AND ON SIDES... it's pretty weird...
              4142 even hypocrites so salat just to show... But here also only given the command as STANDING and no other postures..
              Even zakaria while he is doing Salat he was standing... No other postures stated.. Remember don't confuse the meaning of sujud... For me sujud is not at all a physical posture... I don't mind what is your understanding of sujud.. I will prove it if anyone open a new topic on it..
              Even God says don't stand in such Masjid.. Here also only posture is standing..
              Even one of the familiar verses 6211 Here also the standing...
              I have the above explanation just for everyone to think.. But for me 17110 - 111 is more than enough as physical Salat..
              How hilarious you guys asking how many times to do rakah...has God explained you how many times to wash your hands and face etc.. If your mom asked you to wash your hands before eating when you were kids.. Would you ask how many times or how I have to wash... It's self perceptions... We know why we wash hands n not the repetition . But God has ordered to wash.. Just wash it.. Does that order not consist one time at least ...??? You like to do it 2 , 3 4 or whatever.... Keep doing... If God asked us to stand.. Do we need to know how many times to stand in Salat ... This is nonsensical at level best...
              If there is a beginning there is ending... If you wash your face you have to complete washing it and we can't ask how to complete washing the face.. If god asked us to wash the hand till elbow we can't keep asking which point of elbow.. Oh water went past the elbow.. Oh God water went upto my armpit... Or water went Upto my knees.. Just rubbish.. Don't put youraelf into hardship.. God is so crystal clear.. Just keep it simple... Same way.. Once you making salat you need to complete it and cannot keep doing forever.. If it is Fajr.. You can't keep it doing till sunrise... We are doing salat to admire our load on given and specified time so we go to make it during that time... After all we humble in Salat with great humility and if we feel that's enough thrn end it... That's up to you.. Afterall a true surrenderer will end it with much of submission..
              For these God doesn't need to give step by step rules.. As of property division... As of anyone's capabilities they can admire God to be in connection with God... Salt is least if connection but there are many ways to approach God...

              God has taught us Salat... 2239 ...even in this verse.. We can understand that while riding or walking the act of Salat can be performed without causing any blemishes to it.. Coz the only posture for Salat is standing.. If the salt involves many a complicated positions as we are aware.. Then this verse needs further explanation hoe to do the Salat while riding and walking... That's must.. At least for me..
              God bless us all..

              Salaam Brother

              Your whole post is based on one assumption that salat=ritual prayer which has certain actions spread all over in different verses in bits and pieces. You have to struggle really hard to assemble the jigsaw of ritual prayer by using individual verses out of context.

              Salat is an Arabic verb. Arabic words are derived from their roots. Each root has a basic meaning and all words derived from a root have the original meaning of the root manifest in them.

              The root making the word salat means to follow closely.
              Can you explain how the meaning of "following closely" become "ritual prayer"?

              God bless you.

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                Salaam brother GL

                You say I am following my elders. I say I am following Millat Abraham.

                We did you meet Abraham to know what is "Millat Abraham" so we have to find it in Quran.

                Quran claims to be a detailed book. It must explain the commands given in it. When it says follow "millat Abraham" then it must give details of "millat Abraham". I suggest brother spend some time to find out what is explained about Abraham in Quran to understand "millat Abraham"

                You say contact prayer is not in Qoran, I say collect all the verses about it and you will see why "Aquimi Salat cannot be anything else

                Again assumption that salat=contact prayer. Please see all the verses to find out what salat is?

                Root d lm ww ( &#1608 means "to follow closely"
                The verb Salla means "he followed closely"

                The noun As-salat means "what you follow closely" For me As-salat is God's Guidance as preserved in Quran. Every set of verses before the command "Aqimi salat" gives us the guidance (the following) in the light of Quran.

                The session can be called by a community leader to decide what is "Aqimis salat" in a certain situation in the light of God's revelation. (629)

                To attend these sessions we are commanded to wash ourselves so fellow members do not have any discomfort. (56)

                We can understand verses if we stick to the root meaning of the words instead of following alien meanings given by imams to control and oppress masses.

                Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper..

                Of course that includes Aquimi Salat.

                Again an assumption that millat Abraham=riligion of Abraham and that it includes "Aqimis salat"
                As already said above please find time to find out what Quran informs us about millat Abraham. I point out a clue that Abraham was not from "mushrikeem" and he was a "hanif".

                Thanks brother for discussing it amicable. I will end my discussion here by quoting Quran once again for a sincere reflection.

                2170
                And when it is said to them to follow what God has revealed they say nay we follow what we found our elders on .....

                3121

                And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we follow what we found our elders on ..............

                And there is no verse in Quran that gives detail of ritual prayer in one place as a command to follow, like how many units, how many sujud and raku in one unit, what to say in contact prayer etc..

                I beg leave now brother Gl and leave all posts for the readers to reflect on and find their own understanding of "Aqimis salat" in the light of Quran.

                God bless you.

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                  nope your interpretation makes no sense! nope

                  "then you establish for them "the following". What does that mean? Do they even have
                  the time during war?

                  Brother stick to the root meanings of words and see what they convey rather than following alien meanings assigned to Quranic words to control and oppress people.

                  In every war people do attend meetings with their commanders to get directions on what to follow. It may be called war strategy. Once decided it becomes the guidance to be followed closely. These meetings can be conducted during war and caution can be preserved and weapons could be held.

                  In fact ritual prayer will be a great danger and an opportunity to be attacked by enemy.

                  "when they all submit/acknowledge" nope makes no sense.

                  In such meetings during war times listening to the commander and acknowledging it and following it closely would be required. It does make sense brother.

                  There is no rakat system as per Quran, how many times you stand is up to you except in congregation one follows the leader.
                  Sometimes I do one rakat (for lack of a better word) sometime two, NO you need
                  not "follow the elders blindly" create your own system, you make the details,
                  don't miss out on this wonderful gift from Allah. Stand bow and prostrate and say
                  what you want to say with help from Quran. Make the physical salat once a day
                  or five times a day it is up to you. Make it sitting if you have pain issues.
                  If you miss an entire day there is no penalty.

                  So create your own system and make details. Well Quran call it "following their "desires" taking their "desires" as their gods" etc.

                  2543

                  Do you see the one who takes his wishes as his god .....

                  2850

                  So if they do not respond to you then know they only follow their desires, and who is more astray who follow his desires without guidance from God, Surely God does not guide those who are transgressors.

                  So brother you can make your own rituals but they are not commanded by God unless they are detailed in a verse in the detailed Quran for us to follow.

                  And we cannot bring a verse from Quran detailing for us how to perform ritual prayer.

                  God bless you.

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                    imrankhawaja
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                    The author is asking them to do both and more" Aquimi Salat, Give Zakat and do good deeds"

                    so you are trying to say author is saying to do SALA and RITUALs both ?
                    or sala and zaka ?
                    or sala and zaka and another things(rituals) ?
                    whats arabic of rituals (used) by quran?

                    God bless you

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                      Quran is empty about the methods of ritual
                      called namaz(pray) what people take is as sala?

                      Thank you brother that is the issue under discussion. There is no detail of ritual prayer in the detailed Quran. I have been asking repeatedly to show me a verse detailing ritual prayer but no success as there is none in the Quran.

                      Anyway enough time spent on this discussion. Time to move on. My purpose was to bring out what is revealed in Quran without blindly following what is told to us by our elders. Let the readers decide what they find in the verses to follow.

                      God bless you.

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        In such meetings during war times listening to the commander and acknowledging it and following it closely would be required. It does make sense brother.

                        peace brother,
                        it does make sense certainly.
                        and also there is an example set in one occassion of WAR when a party of beleivers disobey the command of leader and resulted in heavy losses in war?

                        Although it was in the reference of self defence war for beleivers.

                        GOD bless you too

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                          it does make sense certainly.
                          and also there is an example set in one occassion of WAR when a party of beleivers disobey the command of leader and resulted in heavy losses in war?

                          Thank you brother for reminding that war. In fact that is a good fit for the verb "salla" i.e. to follow closely. Muslim in fact lost that battle and incurred heavy loss because they did not follow closely what was decided for them by their commander.

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                            Dear Novice?
                            Your biased very confined statement of ?following closely? well known factor for me since long time.. I saw that factzzz.worpress? after research I found it completely not acceptable taking into consideration of entire quran? I always accept what is right regardless who the person is?
                            Yes.. dear quran itself a jigsaw?is there any problem for you to research and compare and verify.. then it?s up to you? what is in quran written straight forward for you to open in one chapter and be satisfied.. entire quran is a puzzle and solve it? that?s the way? for example if you want to know about History of Mosa? you cant just open one chapter and say that?s mosa? it?s a well known factor.. Any how jigsaw is not a big deal for me.. it?s my job as a professional and a legal advisor to untangle and solve puzzles..At least my law books are straight forward and you can search on topic wise? but not quran?

                            Why you want to escape saying that it is enough let?s move on? Move on with what? as per your ?follow closely? ha ha ha..
                            Dude? quran itself begin in the chapter with a wonderful saying? I present it with intention..
                            22-5 Arbrey??That is the Book, wherein is no doubt, a guidance to the godfearing, who believe in the Unseen, and perform the prayer (SALAT), and expend of that We have provided them, who believe in what has been sent down to thee and what has been sent down before thee, and have faith in the Hereafter; those are UPON GUIDANCE from their Lord, those are the ones who prosper?.
                            Salat your translation is ?following closely?? my dear member of this forum? if one surrender to God.. he or she should follow closely the quran to it?s best comprehensive meaning? while following you have steps and guides and action to do so as clearly instructed in the book?. Once following then he or she is upon guidance? The above verse is perfect?Salat here unfortunately translated as PRAYER physical by arbery.. I don?t blame..but for me it is not but it?s a way of establishing our pure ethics/conduct?
                            If the salat here is FOLLOWING CLOSELY?.follow closely what? I hope you mean to follow quran? Dude total verses from 22-5 is to follow quran and nothing to leave out?quran is sent to follow closely and not specified as salat? but salat has it?s own various meaning within the quran and within the tone of quran? pls don?t teach root words?. I know very well what these root words are formed and who created how it was considered in arabic and when it was infused?and when quran revealed.. and how deceptive one could be if only go with root words just totally neglecting the author?s tone?
                            What ritual prayer.. did I say ritual prayer? if one call his Creator by His name and stand humbly and applauding Him is ritual for you? then it?s your understanding? God asks us to remember and applaud in various times without specifying as salat? before sunset after sunset before noon after noon duing night almost all times? if I am applauding the God following closely His instruction, will that look I am doing a ritual? Actions in the cause of God may look weird for people ? but cant help.. if one is sacrificing a cow? it may look ritual, if one is totally avoiding food during the day it may of course look ritual? Following a God and practicing quran itself may look ritual?

                            2458? lets hope you are my father.. I am your kid?. I need to take permission before fajr?. Just teach me what is fajr salat that you were doing at the dawn so that I would know that my dad has finished Salat al Fajr so I no further need to restrict my self in asking permission? Fajr Salat as per you = Dawn following closely? lets see any physical or verbal things involve in your understanding?Remember I am a kid? I don?t need hardship in identifying the fajr salat? I need simple answr?.
                            Any how you answer or not? there is physical involvement in following the quran and obeying the God?
                            If you are only following quran and claiming so.. who taught you that 4101-103 was such and such war and that war they lost for not following closely?Did you read the verses carefully? how hilarious the meaning follow closely can become if you use that for salat in these three verses? 103 would become such a joke if we use ?follow closely?
                            I wonder how to say in Arabic ?FOLLOW what has been revealed to you?..
                            If for anyone the verses 2238 and 17110-111 is not enough as basic information for a physical and verbal salat?. Then I am extremely sorry?I have no further explanation about salat? all other salat instructions comes based on this? the time and the cleanliness etc..
                            Btw if anyone interested we can discuss completely on various aspects of verse 4101-103 with thorough argument purely from based on the verses?
                            God bless us to right path...

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                              pls don?t teach root words?. I know very well what these root words are formed and who created how it was considered in arabic and when it was infused?and when quran revealed.. and how deceptive one could be if only go with root words just totally neglecting the author?s tone?

                              Salaam jkhan

                              May I know how you understand Quran. Do you understand it in Arabic or through translations?

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                                Peace Imran.

                                I was saying Qoran instruct us to do Aquimi Salat, Give Zakat and do good deeds.
                                I have given my take on what is Aquimi Salat. It can only mean a contact prayer in light of all the verses of Qoran.

                                Peace Novice.
                                You have not explained, in case of war how do you shorten the "follow closely"?(4101)
                                .It is very clear and common sense how you shorten the contact prayer and why in the war particularly.

                                Look brother, nobody is saying to you you have to do the contact prayer. But surely you can clearly see you have not managed to show that your take on it as "follow closely" comes any close .

                                Your explanation of 56 is even worse, quote

                                The session can be called by a community leader to decide what is "Aqimis salat" in a certain situation in the light of God's revelation. (629)
                                To attend these sessions we are commanded to wash ourselves so fellow members do not have any discomfort. (56)

                                Has your community leader decided what is your Aquimi Salat?
                                Where do you go for these meetings?
                                Do you do them daily at prescribed times?
                                Sorry, just nonsense ,as you can see.

                                GOD bless you both.
                                Peace.

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                                  You have not explained, in case of war how do you shorten the "follow closely"?(4101)
                                  .It is very clear and common sense how you shorten the contact prayer and why in the war particularly.

                                  Salaam brother GL

                                  Could you please explain how to shorten contact prayer?

                                  Has your community leader decided what is your Aquimi Salat?

                                  I do not live in a society based on Quran so no community leader to follow.

                                  Sorry, just nonsense ,as you can see.

                                  Your judgement means nothing brother. We are trying to understand Aqimis salat from Quran. You have failed to show a verse from Quran giving details of contact prayer.

                                  God bless you.

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                                    Peace Novice.
                                    Very easy brother to shorten contact prayer or cancel altogether if you are in a war and you are about to be attacked or are attacked.. If it normally takes you 5 minutes. Shortening it will take you less time,. It all depends on the condition and common sense.

                                    Now how do you shorten the "follow closely" bearing in mind that verse 101 says that. you can shorten the salat?

                                    GOD bless you.
                                    Peace.

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                                      Peace Imran.

                                      I have given my take on what is Aquimi Salat. It can only mean a contact prayer in light of all the verses of Qoran.

                                      peace GL
                                      so according to you it can ONLY mean contact prayer.
                                      thats fine its your choice but u havnt provide any evidence in support of your claims anyway let me find a suitable word for the meanings what u suggested its like
                                      (Contact DUA) why author didnt use that word and give details to that word if it was really a ritual.?

                                      logically there is no need to use the word contact here coz when u perform DUA its already in a contact like a live call lol, so making it more easy for you just use DUA?

                                      did you see any DUA related verses ? what are they and what the differences between dua verses and sala verses?

                                      BTW i just have an idea when early two people on debate of quran claimed about salat?
                                      one party said its same ritual perfoming by pagans ages ago?
                                      one party said no its not a ritual its attributes/attitudes/good deeds/duties etc.

                                      both give their best verses to link one thing to another in the end the one who was more influencial win the debate and now after a long time we see with the help of technology one or both were wrong ? whats our duty now ? how we will know the correct sala using just Quran? and sala should be detailed isnt it ?
                                      God bless you.

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                                        Peace Novice.
                                        Very easy brother to shorten contact prayer or cancel altogether if you are in a war and you are about to be attacked or are attacked.. If it normally takes you 5 minutes. Shortening it will take you less time,. It all depends on the condition and common sense.

                                        Now how do you shorten the "follow closely" bearing in mind that verse 101 says that. you can shorten the salat?

                                        GOD bless you.
                                        Peace.

                                        what u gona do in those five mins ( step bu step) use quran as refference no guessworks?
                                        and how do you short it to 2 3 or 1 minutes ( step by step) use quran as well no guessworks like 19 lol.jk

                                        and shorten your duties make more sense actually.
                                        let say a person is awaking whole night protecting the stuff of orphan. can short it and another party come to take over the duty(sala). it really does make more sense if we go by this way lmao. instead of fullnight he can divide it to all those volunteers who come for sala(duty) in this way community sala taken place and everybody is happy. basically the advantage of sharing duties make everybody chilled lol .

                                        Point to ponder
                                        The duty of sala started as well as afraid of getting robbed started. on normal
                                        conditions i mean when there is no war/afraid/panic that type of sala no longer needed.

                                        our cctv and defence agencies are doing their role now a days lol ( but they are getting paid too).

                                        God bless you

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                                          Brother stick to the root meanings of words and see what they convey rather than following alien meanings assigned to Quranic words to control and oppress people.

                                          As I explained before I accept the meaning "to follow closely".

                                          In every war people do attend meetings with their commanders to get directions on what to follow. It may be called war strategy. Once decided it becomes the guidance to be followed closely. These meetings can be conducted during war and caution can be preserved and weapons could be held.

                                          Your understanding of

                                          In fact ritual prayer will be a great danger and an opportunity to be attacked by enemy.

                                          That is why the ayat says take precautions.

                                          So create your own system and make details. Well Quran call it "following their "desires" taking their "desires" as their gods" etc.

                                          Not so, It's called using your brain.

                                          So brother you can make your own rituals but they are not commanded by God unless they are detailed in a verse in the detailed Quran for us to follow.

                                          To stand, bow and prostrate are indeed commandments from Allah.

                                          And we cannot bring a verse from Quran detailing for us how to perform ritual prayer.

                                          Again, you can use your brain to glorify your lord both physically as well as spiritually.
                                          Which is better, to choose one or to choose both hmm

                                          If someone offered you one million dollars or two million dollars I wonder which one
                                          you would take yes

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