What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?
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Brother stick to the root meanings of words and see what they convey rather than following alien meanings assigned to Quranic words to control and oppress people.
As I explained before I accept the meaning "to follow closely".
In every war people do attend meetings with their commanders to get directions on what to follow. It may be called war strategy. Once decided it becomes the guidance to be followed closely. These meetings can be conducted during war and caution can be preserved and weapons could be held.
Your understanding of
In fact ritual prayer will be a great danger and an opportunity to be attacked by enemy.
That is why the ayat says take precautions.
So create your own system and make details. Well Quran call it "following their "desires" taking their "desires" as their gods" etc.
Not so, It's called using your brain.
So brother you can make your own rituals but they are not commanded by God unless they are detailed in a verse in the detailed Quran for us to follow.
To stand, bow and prostrate are indeed commandments from Allah.
And we cannot bring a verse from Quran detailing for us how to perform ritual prayer.
Again, you can use your brain to glorify your lord both physically as well as spiritually.
Which is better, to choose one or to choose both hmmIf someone offered you one million dollars or two million dollars I wonder which one
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Dear Novice and the rest...
You are asking questions from me while you don't answer any questions of mine and many of the others...
I went through the threads of this topic at least the meaningful ones .. ....
Salat has one meaning or many as per the context of the Quran...? It looks like for you only one. If you confine yourself with only one meaning follow closely then you are in serious trouble in explaing to others the quran when words of Salat yusalli salawat etc appears..i know you will say something but it should give meaning to us... Or you should convince us and shut our mouths without being able to pose a question... That's the state of convince. That's where judge decide....Be careful when you decide a meaning based on roots...
Either you are expecting a Salat in the form what is available in the society of majorities or you are expecting something of your own way.... Don't expect from QURAN what is in the society.... Just go with Quran.... Even it looks bizarre in others vision... For example.. As I always believed that the earth is not what I have been taught in college... Still people tend to jest at me... China landed robo on the moon... Is that also conspiracy oh you flatty.. I neglect them all.. Coz I take what's written quran and what is guided to me.. Okay..leave thst off topic.
Lets back to Salat... No one answers me about 2458 and my question.... Is it that much difficult or is it a nonsensical question.. Or answerless...
Dear Novice... Since you mentioned you want to find out truth.... Let me put this verse as well...
4"43 pls read the verse before read below...
Why God says to Believers yes believers... Not to approach or near As-Salat when you drunken or in a state of intoxication?.. So when I am drunken I shouldn't FOLLOW CLOSELY" okay I won't be able to follow each and everything closely but I am not completely done... Still those who are drunk can even drive home mostly safely... So why to forget God in closely following completely while drunken ...while drunken do we have another God to approach... Let's hope one of the things of CLOSELY FOLLOWING is giving to poor... yani charity... Okay I am drunk and driving and stop at signal and a begger extend hand for help.. I can see that he is a begger and asking but God has ordered me not follow closely when I am drunken.. So I won't give charity...if I commit a murder then will I be excused just coz I am drunken and this is a period as well NOT TO FOLLOW CLOSELY... ..You can bring loads of examples to this... No need since all here in the forum is intelligent...
And the next point is ...UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT YOU UTTER.... of course we know what we utter even how much you are drunk... Other wise I should lose my language capacity... The problem here is you won't remember mostly ehat you uttered when you get back to normalcy.. Question here is to Closely Follow why we need speech or uttering...? Do I need to talk to the begger to give him... That's definitely wayward...
BUT FOR STANDING AND APPLAUDING THE LORD it is required... With drunken state Thsts Far from reality...still possible but worthless act...
Okay.. Next point is JANABA.. I don't want to dig another root word here.. It's for the sake of this very topic... Whatever JANABA is.. Instructions here is to purify while in JANABA as per 56... But while travelling this same act of Salat can be performed with JANABA... Oh dear dear... Don't you use your wits... Or is it coz of my profession I sense these things.. Why can we FOLLOW CLOSELY while traveling and not when I am not traveling... What are those things that I should follow closely while travelling with JANABA and what are those that I shouldn't follow closely while I am not traveling.... Don't complicate Novice.... I hope quran is simple if you follow with wits...roots are helpful coz its a language.. But if you totally depending on roots you may let loose from the author's meaning.. I know how much I struggled to find out the meaning of UMMI initially being a non Arab... Translation or dictionaries or roots.. Nothing helped me.. But QURAN only..
Next... Oh oh.. To follow closely make tayamum... That's funny.... But not for Salat... Many more things in this verse 443 ..you can guess.
Finally... You Novice... Doesn't God give an instruction to stand in Salat... Just say yes or no... Doesn't God ask to utter in salat..juSt say yes or no... Doesn't God ask us to greatly greatly appreciate and admire n applaud God... Just say yes or no... If yes.. Do you need steps to do this... Didn't God ask us to do at certain times of the day... Didnt God ask us to be clean and self conscious state to do this.... Didn't God say it is a time fixed task... What else you want from QURAN only?... What step by step explanation you people are asking.. You want to do as Sunnis or shia doing.. Is that why you are asking step by step explanation....
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Very easy brother to shorten contact prayer or cancel altogether if you are in a war and you are about to be attacked or are attacked.. If it normally takes you 5 minutes. Shortening it will take you less time,. It all depends on the condition and common sense.
Salaam brother GL
Let me ask again
During war what you are supposed to do in a two minute shortened contact prayer.
Now how do you shorten the "follow closely" bearing in mind that verse 101 says that. you can shorten the salat?
"follow closely" is salla
4101 says to shorten which is shortening of the session in which "what to follow is decided".
God bless you.
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As I explained before I accept the meaning "to follow closely".
Thanks for saying the truth brother.
To stand, bow and prostrate are indeed commandments from Allah.
Depends what you understand of these words in Arabic.
Again, you can use your brain to glorify your lord both physically as well as spiritually.
My brain tells me that I can only glorify my Lord by following His guidance and proving that the results guaranteed by Him are achievable by following His Law.
God bless you.
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Peace Imran.,Novice.
So you Shorten the session of "Follow cosely"? Either you follow closely what GOD has instructed or you do not, you do not need sessions about it. Or are you saying it is not in Qoran and you need sessions with leaders about it?
Look what your are saying brother Novice here, quote
4101 says to shorten which is shortening of the session in which "what to follow is decided".
Is this not saying you have to have a session to decide what "to followcolsely"???? You mean it is not in Qoran already step by step? Or do you just want me to provide the" step by step verses" for my interpretation?
So keep on repeating there is no step by step instruction of how to do the physical prayer ,when GOD is clearly saying to you it was taught to Abraham who in turn taught it to his generation who in turn...Preserved to today,
Or ,like I asked, come up with the original inventor of the physical prayer, why?
A genius in my opinion. The one who created the physical prayer. Because it only benefits the one doing it ,makes him/her aware of GOD and the hereafter. An inspiration to the soul, try it? Or does it harm people?Remember ,if people have invented Aquimi Salat, there must be a motif and an agenda .And definetly a claim for it somewhere by someone!!! Who?
I know GOD claims clearly in Qoran that It was INSPIRED to Abraham as an answer to his prayer
Anyawy you know and I know and the readers can see that you are clearly struggling with a lot of verses about Aquimi Salat with your interpretations.
But you are both entitled to them.
GOD bless you both.
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peace GL,
to b honest i dun like the debates when things come to winning losing merits and folks like brother GL bring things again and again and again by parroting same old shit.
let me tell u what u been doing from the starting of thread.
1 hes mixing pray with sala.
2 hes claiming the traditional five time sunni namaz = sala of quran.and it appears all ur posts are like passing trees on the long road that all look similar.
if its your faith nobody got problem with that my problem started when somebody claimed
God states that, Quran states that, xyz states that.when i have refferences then i will take a scholarly look the way how book give meanings by cross checking the terms.
byw i already provide answers what u ask how to shorten the duties.
of u r just in a mood of debates continue with brother novice he have stamina for it i cant help myslef when ur needle stuck at one position it usually happened when u repeat asking same thing again and again lmao save me .
God bless you all
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Peace Imran.
I thought we were discussing What is Aquimi Salat according to all the verses that mention it in Qoran/
I d rather stick to this topic and not bring in other factors that are not relevant like winning debates...etc.It is obviuos to me you are not confortable with the discussion with me. I am fine with whatever you wish to do.
My aim is to only discuss verses of Qoran . If we agree to disagree on interpretations what is the problem?
If Salat was called "follow closely", then implied to shorten the session or shorten the duty, But the verse clearly says shorten Salat What kind of duty is in 101? A different one than what it means in other verses? A logical and important question to make since it does not make sense with 103 as well? Do we do the duty only at prescribed time also? Which time?
Bearing in mind all these issues make a lot of senseonly with Iquami Salat as a contact prayer as I explained in my opinion..Sorry you are feeling incomfortable. I respect your decision.
GOD bless you.
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@ GL i m fully comfortable with you and your beleifs and everybodys beleif.
just see the topic of thread its about ibada i think.
what i m saying its doesnt matter if u follow ur sala by whatever method
but its true there is no method mention about ritual what people take it as contact pray.
about PRAY author used that word alteady bring all those verses of pray if u want to find method of pray but we are not about pray its about sala and how sala is considered as ibada. -
Peace Imran.
I clearly said Salat has nothing to do with Ibada.. If you read my posts I am consistent with the following understanding from Qoran1-Ibada is following GOD s Sirat Al Mustaqueem which are the good morals and good deeds.
2- Aquimi Salat among other things like Sawum, Zakat,Sabr... is the help that we need to stay on the straight path with looking after our real self(soul) to try and win over our desires and selfish needs for our body,The discussion that followed was what is Aquimi Salat? I was then giving my view on it. I was not relating it to Ibada or sunnis or Zorastrians or any other sect.
Just to clarify. I was giving my view and asking questions about other views. You are entitled to disagree with me like I disagree with you and others.
We both state our views ,question each other and move on.
With respect to everyone here, I do not take any views as personal , I see them as their own take on things like I have my own take on things.
I certainly do not expect people to do things they do not like doing nor do I want to convince anyone.
The main thing is the analysis and the challenge to all of us to investigate Qoran properly.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Imran.
With respect to everyone here, I do not take any views as personal , I see them as their own take on things like I have my own take on things.
peace gl,
i appreciate that and i respect you too i just used slang language sometimes metaphorical lol so i am sorry if, its just a style of saying things when feeling bored and i m much relax after reading that you are still cool. Dyou made me remind of one of my uncle having a very kind nature whatever we say he never show anger. and naturally after a while we go back to him again normal.lol
God bless you too.
Good morning ( i just want to make my post not like same trees JK) so saying something different in the end.. handshake and good nature is also a kind of sala what i m sure u are doing it -
So you Shorten the session of "Follow cosely"? Either you follow closely what GOD has instructed or you do not, you do not need sessions about it. Or are you saying it is not in Qoran and you need sessions with leaders about it?
Salaam brother GL
Looks like in your zeal to prove salat=ritual prayer you have closed you eyes as well as mind. You are not paying attention to what i wrote. Let me try again.
"follow closely" is salla
4101 says to shorten which is shortening of the session in which "what to follow is decided".
Quran provide us complete guidance. In a war situation a commander has a duty to make war strategy. People can sway away with emotions so a commander also reminds the soldiers what God commands in such situations. It is not only deciding war strategy but also reminding God's Law in such situations.
Once decided, this strategy is what needs to be followed closely. Is it that difficult to understand?
Is this not saying you have to have a session to decide what "to followcolsely"???? You mean it is not in Qoran already step by step? Or do you just want me to provide the" step by step verses" for my interpretation?
Quran gives us guidelines in war situation like
Do not cross limits;
If enemy stop aggression then stop fighting;
To forgive is better than taking revenge; etc etcA commander has to decide the actions of army during fight as per individual situations. It is not like giving details of a ritual.
So keep on repeating there is no step by step instruction of how to do the physical prayer ,when GOD is clearly saying to you it was taught to Abraham who in turn taught it to his generation who in turn...Preserved to today,
Quran no where says that God taught Abraham ritual prayer. Following generations is not commanded in Quran. God commands us to follow his revelation.
Or ,like I asked, come up with the original inventor of the physical prayer, why?
A genius in my opinion. The one who created the physical prayer. Because it only benefits the one doing it ,makes him/her aware of GOD and the hereafter. An inspiration to the soul, try it? Or does it harm people?I cannot go back in time to see how this ritual was established. For me criteria is Quran. I cannot follow human beings when God did not give details of ritual prayer. I have to see how meaning of the word salat in Arabic are helpful in understanding Aqimis salat.
Anyawy you know and I know and the readers can see that you are clearly struggling with a lot of verses about Aquimi Salat with your interpretations.
Not my interpretation brother GL but what we find in Quran. You already agreed that
1- There is no verse that details ritual prayer
2- You do this ritual prayer by following older generations and not what God revealed.GOD bless you.
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Peace Novice.
Are you really making things better by carrying on with this explanation? QuoteQuran gives us guidelines in war situation like
Do not cross limits;
If enemy stop aggression then stop fighting;
To forgive is better than taking revenge; etc etcA commander has to decide the actions of army during fight as per individual situations. It is not like giving details of a ritual.
So this "follow closely " is to do with the army and its functions?
It should be the same one in the following verse 4103 where it saysSo when you finish this Salat that you shorten during the war, ...You shall Aquimi Salat as normal once the war is over...It is prescribed for you at some specific time ...
It is the same "follow closely" that you claim it is after the war brother,is it not? So where does a session about the war or a commander or any leader come into it?
I hope you can clearly see that you are not making sense brother?
By trying to explain yourself ,you are digging yourself deeper into a hole of nonsense!Honestly, I fail to see what these,
Do not cross limits;
If enemy stop aggression then stop fighting;
To forgive is better than taking revenge; etc etc
have to do with Aquimi Salat?Please look again at 4101-103 all of them in context with Aquimi Salat ?
It is something every individual does, A leader does it for a group/s- Aquamta lahum Salat-
It is something that can be shorten in war.
It is something that you continue to do after the war.
It is something that is prescribed at certain times...
All of it cannot mean different things in different situations. It is the same thing each individual does at all times in war or peace, but can be shorten during the war for those fighting.Plain and simple and makes a lot of sense. ..Aquimi Salat consistently means the same thing in all the verses that mention it. It does not mean different things according to the context.
There is only one way you do Aquimi Salat according to Qoran, you stand, you bow and you prostrate. Dedicated to GOD Alone. This is the only meaning that is consistent with all the verses that mention it.
As shown already, "follow closely" does not fit in certain verses. One has to be honest and tries something else if they do not believe in a physical prayer.
I have not found any other meaning that fits all the verses so far. But I cannot fit "follow closely" as discussed here.
GOD bless you.
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There is only one way you do Aquimi Salat according to Qoran, you stand, you bow and you prostrate. Dedicated to GOD Alone. This is the only meaning that is consistent with all the verses that mention it.
BOLD really ? thats the only problem you are accusing quran what it never said/states.
brother GL does ur ritual pray consistent with this ?
how to perform sala at different times at MOON,MARS ?
how to perform sala in space station lmao ?
how to do sujood in north and south poles time/sunrise/sunset etc?
why all kings/rulers want from their public physical prostration/bow down and standing infront of them obiediently ? and why God need it whats the difference between them and God ?
whats the name of ur missing contact prayers? why u didnt named them at first place ?
what to do/say while standing /bowing/ prostrating ?
time/repeating cycles designed for every prayer where is that ?
some images of prostration towards qibla lmao
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hope these images covers the methods of sujood/bow/standing in hostile places in solar system. hmm
still time factor according to SUN is left behind for brother GL to complete it for me lol
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brother GL if you are in a war ground and your responsibility is to secure the people of your town whats more important in these 2 things given below?
1 to do ritual called (namaz) or tell and force people to do it ?
2 to make strategies for saving people like, transport service,food,duty of keeping eye on enemies, talking and making things settle on table talk?select one option as your prior duty.
situation 2
1 you invaded an area and now what order you will gona give to your commander against your enemy?
kill,rape,steal.. ( the most common thing what we see from histories)2 or you will look after the old people,kids,women of enemies who really need your help becoz you already killed most of their men. so whats your duty now , will you gona let your juniors to rape the womens and steal the stuff or you will gona feed the orphans whose dad just killed by your soilders? or you will gona burn their houses ?
3 or while celeberating the victory then you perform a ritual called (namaz) shorten it to 2 raka from 4 ? and then let your juniors do whatever they want like tax.
God bless you.
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Peace Imran.
I will number your points 1 to 7
1-GOD made only the earth habitable for us and with its current day and night timing , Since we do not live on the moon or mars as yet there is no problem. Those who travel there do what they can, when they can(Farijalan Aw Rukbana- i.e do it in their mind, like those who are physically not capable or busy with other matters they cannot do it here on earth.2-Similarly in space station. Like sawum and other things we can only do our best in certain places even on earth.
3- Majority of people do not live in the north or south pole. Those who do make their salat according to their daily habits(When do they have their daily body meals for example...) and do what they can. GOD is aware of them and left his deen easy for us. Fattaqu Allah Ma Istatatum- Do the best you can.
4- People want to exalt others and make idols of them. GOD is not to blame for this. They think they are gods some people or others take them as high and mighty. GOD does not require anything from us. Salat, for those who study Qoran, is food for our soul. We give our body 4 or 5 meals a day, Why should we not feed our soul? Only our benefit ,GOD is no need of anything from anyone.
5-There is no named prayer, There are specific times of the day . A window from each part of the day to find 5 minutes in that part of the day to feed our real self.
6- Our physical body does gymnastics and yoga. Standing, bowing and prostrating helps you and your physical body as exercise.
Yes brother it is a very good exercise to relax and concentrate your mind, try it, see for yourself?7- Everyone who is doing physical prayer,ask them where they got it from. Amazing how they do the same thing. Perfect preservation down the generations if you ever see one.
Brother, GOD looks at the sincerity, obedience and intention. The details we worry about are trivial. GOD gives certainty when you show real Islam in your state of mind.
GOD bless you.
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@ GL
1,2,3 answers are "we can only do our best" means method is missing. or you failed to give answers required here i know its kinda confusing when space station travel around globe 16 times in 24 hours so 16*5 = ? atleast 16 sunsets and 16 sun rises lmao.
4 if God dun need it then what is the difference of showing our sujood by methods? sujood is sujood do it physically or spirtually or like sun moon stars and trees how they are doing sujood as well as birds...
God know we are doing sujood to him he dnt need gymnastics he need sujood, gymnastics are for body benefits not for God.
5 you claimed already that u perfom sala five times a day ? (do u find 5 names of sala yet) as per QURAN?
6 i m not about body benefits, i know lot of exercises are there for our own good.
question is how to perform a special exercise of ritual called namaz by the methods of direction or qibla ?
will you gona do head prostrste they way i show u pic in the areas when qibla is on the other side of globe?7 who is this everyone ? and what is physical prayer lol if everyone is jumping in the well will you also jump in the well ?
your answers does not show any consistency according TO quran as well as missing details of your claimed sala.
God bless you.
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God know we are doing sujood to him he dnt need gymnastics he need sujood, gymnastics are for body benefits not for God.
Peace imrankhawaja,
gymnastics? Me? Thanks, I have family members who are gymnasts and if you see
them perform, trust me, to stand bow and prostrate will not qualify me as a gymnast! nopehe need sujood
Allah has no needs
Peace Novice,
Where are the "details of war" or the details of the "meetings" in 4101-103?
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Peace Novice,
Where are the "details of war" or the details of the "meetings" in 4101-103?
Salaam hawk99
4101-103 is commanding the leader to establish As-salat for those who are in war situation.
So in the context of war the leader can call group from his army to decide their position in the war in a short manner reminding them the Quranic guidance in such situations,History narrations tell that the prophet advised a group of his army to stay on a strategic hill top but they disobeyed the command and it resulted in losing the battle. I am not citing this example saying that history is 100% true but to give an example.
God bless you
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Few here claims that there shouldn?t be winning and losing in debate?. nope rotfl
BUT, I personally and logically feel every debate should have winning and losing or a draw?.otherwise there is no point of debating wasting the time.. Coz if the debate is for a purpose either to find the truth or knowledge then by convincing once group by another is key.. if it ends up in a draw it shows both parties are in a dilemma and the topic is beyond the capacity of both?
In court if the debate of both parties doesn?t not end in winning or losing then the Judge will never be able to make his decision? That?s horrible? Whatever the topic is one is supporting and one is negating? but both cannot be the solution? so winning or losing is very imperative?
By winning or losing the truth will be exposed? For example If I am exposed of any of my view by others by arguing with me comprehensively then I am stuck and I personally have to surrender to the view of the others coz they brought the better solution than me so I was blinded with my opinion..God asks us to argue, but definitely with the truth only God asks us to argue and not taking the side of wrong? but we think we are on the right side and arguing in support of it but when in the process of argument the we find out that is not the truth or truth.. so God?s plan is to make me guided through that argument?
But there can be sharing knowledge between people that is not argument or debate? but what we see here commonly in this forum is not sharing knowledge but sheer argument based on each others opinions? So such arguments need winning and losing or draw for the sake of knowing what is actually acceptable based on quran?. After all most of the topic is based on quran? what is best rather than defeating the false views..
So if someone says winning or losing is not within his or her liking that?s only his her opinion.. but logically has no value to it?
At least let the silent readers guess what is more worthy to take as guidance...
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Peace Imran.
1,2,3- Common brother ,you have studied Qoran, do you think the deen is difficult? What about the ill? The physically not able? That situation along with those busy with emmergencies /astronauts, people in mars or jupiter, is already taken care of by exemption in Qoran- Doing your best in certain situation about Salat, Sawum, Zakat... is accounted for in Qoran- Do you want the verses ?
You see the logic of excuses in our human thinking?4-We are not trees or birds or... Our sujood can be both physical and abstract us humans.
5-Yes I do .Already discussed this numerous times and provided the verses that in my opinion Qoran instructs me to do this.
There is no verse that names Salat. Salat are window times within a part of the day. The verse that names Salat Fajr and Isha has a different subject and context it is not about naming of any Salat.
6- Again the one direction required for everyone is common sense and a focal point . How can a group doing Salat together face different directions? The direction to any place on earth can be determined from any single point on the earth.(How would a GPS work?)
7-Actually if you do the maths, the majority of the world do not Aquimi Salat? But that is irrelevant. What is Aquimi Salat is the relevant part.
The bemnefit is felt or otherwise by the individual acting a certain task. Different priorities leads to different benefits or otherwise.
GOD bless you.
Peace.