What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?
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Peace imrankhawaja,
gymnastics? Me? Thanks, I have family members who are gymnasts and if you see
them perform, trust me, to stand bow and prostrate will not qualify me as a gymnast! nopeAllah has no needs
BOLD true
lol i think i forget to put DONT in my sentence thanks for clearing it.yeh i do acknowledge the benefits of gymnastics,weightlifting,boxing,sports,swimming all
type of exercises. have nothing to do with religion/deen/system of faith.BTW brother hawk if i have to select the exercise i would love to go for swimming. lol
people are playing cricket also doing stand bow and sujood sometimes when they win lol
now a days sports take over the wars and players rejoice like victory of rome when their allies in sports win from another team . even the player who take wicket/goal do sujood sometimes.
and with that sports lot of people are getting the money and earnings.
its definately a kind of sala i fully agree
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So this "follow closely " is to do with the army and its functions?
Salaam GL
The word "salat" mean something you follow closely. In Quran when "Aqimi salat" comes we have to see what commands are given just before it. 4101-103 are in context of war so here "following closely" has to do with army and its functions.
Similarly in 2238 context is commands for marriage and divorce etc. which become salawat to be followed closely. the central salat is not a ritual called Asar Prayer but the main focus of the instructions which is to keep your duty towards women in the society while obedient to Allah (by following his commands)
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...guard your salawat and central salat and stand for Allah obedient.It should be the same one in the following verse 4103 where it says
So when you finish this Salat that you shorten during the war, ...You shall Aquimi Salat as normal once the war is over...It is prescribed for you at some specific time ...
Purpose of Aqimi salat" is to remind God's Law as preserved in Quran. During war times these educating sessions can be shortened but once peace is established then reminding God's Law should be done as normal.
When need arise salat has to established at that time.I hope you can clearly see that you are not making sense brother?
By trying to explain yourself ,you are digging yourself deeper into a hole of nonsense!Brother GL if you have time then leave all pre-conceived concepts and reread the replies and see if it makes sense.
Just consider it brother that when there is no verse detailing how to do ritual prayer and you can only do that by following your elders then is there a way to understand what "salat" is by following Quran only.
Honestly, I fail to see what these,
Do not cross limits;
If enemy stop aggression then stop fighting;
To forgive is better than taking revenge; etc etc
have to do with Aquimi Salat?These are commands given in Quran which become your salat in the war situation.
There is only one way you do Aquimi Salat according to Qoran, you stand, you bow and you prostrate. Dedicated to GOD Alone. This is the only meaning that is consistent with all the verses that mention it.
Can you please show me a verse that says in Aqimi salat stand, bow and prostrate?
GOD bless you.
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My understanding is,
Salat involves spending time to Learn Good values.
Prepare ourselves to learn and accept God.
Time spent to think and learn about Goodness messages.
Reminding about God and moral values.If rituals help is a question to ask our selves, say we spend our whole time on worldly pleasures working, salat comes in where we spend time to contemplate and learn whats good and bad and whether we are in the right path and Zakat is the ways we do to purify ourselves. Here the ritual is we assign ourselves some time to being free from our schedule and also clean our body so we are in better state to understand.
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If rituals help is a question to ask our selves, say we spend our whole time on worldly pleasures working, salat comes in where we spend time to contemplate and learn whats good and bad and whether we are in the right path and Zakat is the ways we do to purify ourselves. Here the ritual is we assign ourselves some time to being free from our schedule and also clean our body so we are in better state to understand.
Do you think people understand what they read or listen in ritual prayer? Majority do not know Arabic. People have chosen few short suras which are repeatedly recited. They have their account books and ritual is for filling this account book and earning return (thawab).
It would be much beneficial to study Quran daily before starting your worldly routines and after finishing your daily worldly jobs.
God bless you.
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Peace All.....Sorry long thread ... have patience while reading..?
4101-103 is Salat (that is to say one of the meaning applicable as Prayer).. remember in my understanding Aquim salat wa?athuz zakat together is never prayer or charity in the entire quran.. but salat (prayer) is mentioned in very few verses in the quran?
Let?s see how it is in these verses based on the argument saying salat here is closely following and these particular 03 verses as they refer as War tactic to follow closely and not Salat(Prayer)?
4101 First of all it is mentioned as JOURNEY/TRAVELLING and not singled out as WAR Expedition ?. War or war expedition has other Arabic words ? okay?The condition of ?IF YOU FEAR?? but point to think is IF YOU NOT FEAR though you on a JOURNEY may be not applicable ? So this could be a period where there is fear most probably coz there could be disharmony among the people coz of hostile conditions among the groups of the society and probably hatred towards believers who are emerging in the society as a threat to disbelievers faith? Then comes the SHORTENING THE SALAT and refers it as ?LA Junaha? No blame? what if you do not fear while on journey? Does the Normal Salat applicable still or the Shortened salat??? Yes Complete Salat, coz condition is FEAR..So if no fear then ?JUNAHA? During a hostile time traveling is always risky and affliction from the other party is much expectable.. but it is not war and it is not the style of wars in the older generations?This JOURNEY could be by few persons or cluster on the road passing the disbelievers stronghold but still opted to pass through.. Point to think is Quran has not mentioned ?When you are heading to face the Enemy? but simply when you are on a Journey.. Here Warriors or Forces not mentioned as afflict you but only mentioned that Disbelievers may afflict you and they are open enemy.. this is common if you read chapters such 8 and 9? No sign of war these 3 verses..?
4102 ?. When YOU are among them? Singular YOU.. who could that ?YOU? be?? Is it the Head of the Group of those who are waging the war or is it specifically address to the Messenger of this book who is on a journey accompanying his companions or normal believers? That also When you are ? if not, I mean if ? When you are not among them? is not stated, then who will do that part? If the ?You? is Commander in the War, then there is no point of saying if you are among them?a war without commander.. that?s defeat? Here also same salat is involved? If one claim this is war strategy discussion among them.. I failed to see any instruction of war strategy in the verses.. but only standing and precaution? Precautionary steps are much wanted thing during a war and that?s not an alien thing to be explained to a warrior as instruction.. warrior cannot be a warrior if he doesn?t have precautions ?. But if this is a salat (prayer simple translation) then standing and having to have precautionary steps by one group and others waiting till they end the salat is much required instruction? coz this salat revelation is new to the believers and they were not aware of it before? Salat is always an individual act though mingled with others, and here also it was an individual act but in two groups so that attention of one group will remain on those who are devoted with time fixed act which cannot be missed out on any given time unless beyond one?s capacity? in the end it is not the basic way of doing salat, it was only given as instruction on a state of fear due to possible hostile situations in which your security and safety is under threat..
And further, says if you are affected by Rain or sick no blame if you keep the weapons down? Okay.. curios point here is keeping the weapon down if rains or sick but not stated as IF YOU ARE INJURED.. INJURY IS MISSING IN A WAR.. that?s beyond imagination?most appropriate is injury but God didn?t use..Coz it was a Journey.. but sick.. while on a common journey in rain the possibilities of getting sick is no need to explain? but if it is a war getting injured is unavoidable? But why weapon? does the weapon makes one to deduce it as war? NO?? very crucial? as per the verses it is very clear the situation is not that peaceful and still people need to travel for their livelihood?having weapons for self defense is much appropriate? but who are sick to hold them is always uncomfortable? Why you need sick people who can?t even hold the weapon to listen to war strategies that also standing? If instead of Sick if anyone consider it Injury then it is blatant war crime to keep the injured standing to get ready for fight who can?t even hold a weapon.....Not mentioned shields but only weapon.. what is that weapon one cannot hold while can still hold the shield which is a must in war.. Baggage is a clear cut thing of those who normally on a journey and not those who wage war? this is clear that the disbelievers may attack ambush and loot you utilizing the prevailing hostile condition.. In war if you lose anyhow they would take the booties?.You don?t need to worry about booties while the war is underway.. anyway booty is not the word here but baggage ? It shows they may loot even without attack you if you are negligible while salat..
4103? So when You have accomplished or completed the Salat? it is not mentioned as the salat is completed but used as ?when YOU(plural) have completed the salat? if it was a commander who is giving war strategies he only should complete it and not the one who is listening to it.. that further proves by the verse ?once they submitted?? it?s clear it is a time fixed prayer done individually but as a group for the sake of security?
The next strange point is once the salat is done (war strategies are closely followed) people were asked to remember God standing, sitting and on sides? that?s so pathetically weird and abnormal.. after they had the strategies worked out they lying on their sides and remembering God.. Then what is the purpose of having all the precautionary steps to have a war strategy in the middle of nowhere and that also in rain?..just to lying down and sitting down ?. Once the strategy is done.. that?s a very weak commander? There is no mentioning mainly one group sitting down or lying down and other group be vigilant once the Salat is over? use your wits people? Lying down on sides is the worse part in a war situation I can possibly imagine?
And the verse continues no sign of war is stated... but it says again..When you are secure establish salat?again war strategies when they are secure ( secure means war is ended in favor of believers)....It is not stated once the war is ended but once the salat is done.. that?s totally funny? it?s clear.. they could have been in a place which was not safe but still time of salat is arrived so took the precautions and performed it? and rested with the remembrance of God in standing and sitting and lying to sides.. having rest/break, that?s understandable in a tiresome long journeys that also in middle east. And further instructions are given saying that Salat is on BELIEVERS is time fixed.. if this is a war situation and the people who involved must be called differently? best appropriate way to say that ?salat on warriors is time fixed at least according to the situation? and not on believers? coz clearly in wars not only Believers but also Hypocrites etc also participated that quran proves..what is the relation generally with believers and war strategies? are the believers only make war strategies? Is actually War strategies on fixed time or according to situations? What is the use of having war strategies At Fajr or Wusta or Isha?
In fact what are those war strategies to closely follow were instructed by God in these verses? Or if Mohamed was there Mohammed himself received war strategies apart from Quran from God and it was presented to others? You mean to say Mohamed receives messages other than quran as war strategies? What is the message here to follow closely as war strategy? If it is a war and the one who is leading doesn?t know what war strategy to make? Suppose if it is a war and Mohamed was the commander he would have made the decision himself coz we don?t see any war strategy in the sentences.. So if they know how to make war strategy why to teach by another about precautions and baggage and keep weapon down.. Are these precautionary and standing and safeguarding baggage war strategies????? come on give me a break?But this is salat almost devoting oneself and may forget what happens surrounded him or her so clear instructions given be precautious though you are doing salat and be vigilant about your baggage.. as well keep weapons down it?s not a war and you are sick?coz salat is not to miss.. but when secure no need of precautionary position but you can do salat in freedom as instructed by God..?
Finally I deduce based on the verses, there is no war at all? but it is revealed for hostile conditions to be vigilant and still perform salat and shorten if required based on conditions..
Salat is Standing positions only that?s very clear from quran as I earlier posted and salat involves time and salat involve uttering which is to applaud the Lord? Salat needs cleanliness and salat needs humbleness.. All these are mentioned in quran? if one says no then he or she is biased? Those who claim there is no physical salat has not even bothered respond my earlier threads?God Bless us with what is meant as guidance..
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Peace Novice .
The Aquimi Salat has one meaning in all the verses containing Aquimi Salat.
And the preparation for all the Aquimi Salat, rgardless of context, is 56. You do 56 before you Aquimi Salat.Look ,Zaccariah was on his own . He was not discussing any context with anyone else,he was Quaimun Yusalli Fi Al Mihrab.
He was doing Aquimi Salat- physical prayer- by himself brother.
GOD bless you.
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Salaam hawk99
4101-103 is commanding the leader to establish As-salat for those who are in war situation.
So in the context of war the leader can call group from his army to decide their position in the war in a short manner reminding them the Quranic guidance in such situations,History narrations tell that the prophet advised a group of his army to stay on a strategic hill top but they disobeyed the command and it resulted in losing the battle. I am not citing this example saying that history is 100% true but to give an example.
God bless you
Peace good brother, I am afraid you are now conflating war situation with traveling
And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you
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Peace hawk.
May be this salat is also something else , but I fail to see it at anything else but "physical prayer
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The hypocrites think that they are deceiving God, but He is the One who leads them on. When they get up for the Salat, they get up lazily. That is because they only show off in front of the people, and rarely do they think of God.4143
They waver in between, neither belonging to this group, nor that group. Whomever God sends astray, you will never find a way to guide him.I think it is time to conclude in this thread ,yet anothrer Salat thread that got nowhere with "Aquimi Salat" as conclusively something different from physical prayer?
Well brother you and me have been misled? Or
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If it were not for God's grace towards you, and His mercy, some of them would have misled you. They only mislead themselves, and they can never harm you in the least. God has sent down to you the scripture and wisdom, and He has taught you what you never knew. Indeed, God's blessings upon you have been great.The way I see it, there is nothing good about following our own warped logic except if we advocate giving to people, helping people, making peace among people, advocating good deeds and good morals. Anyone who does this in response to GOD s teaching, GOD will reward him.
As for Salat one has the choice to do it or not do it.
Brother, I have seen and felt its benefits. I shall continue god willing making this daily contact with my creator.
GOD bless you.
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Dear Brother Logic...
Yes the reference you have given in your above thread is of course Salat...
But you seems bit away from extreme conventional Salat to bit different standing and ruku and sujud Adam what brother Hawk does .... I won't say what you doing is wrong... But definitely not instructed by God.. But you still serve God and approach your Lord with certain steps of physic... Certain things even though God has not instructed and if it is done excessively and only to please God I believe it's not wrong... But not when clear instructions are given it is going against God.. For example 100 lashes then 100.. No more... . One example for doing things which God not instructed and put us on burden is verse 5727 ... Read the verse carefully pls.. In which monasticism is not instructed by God but not even prohibited but it is acceptable if done properly and for whole intention for God... Same way Salat.. Instructed according to verses is standing position but if you or anyone feel that by bending to Bow or prostrate makes him feel more closer to god and love then it is up to the individual... Definitely not prohibited....
But QURAN clear meaning for Salat is manifest as instructions...
The other point is your claim of aquim Salat is prayer always... That for me and based on Quranic context I definitely not agree... Unless you or anyone give a clear cut explanation but I doubt...
For example take one verse which comes Salat and Zakath togethet..
2241"those who, if We give them authority in the land, establish prayer and give zakah and enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong. And to Allah belongs the outcome of matters."
No.. It's not prayer and not Zakath (charity)... What if they were not given authority/power on the land.. Will they perform Salat and give Zakath?
Who are those people? 2240..These are who act against all evils and trying to protect peace even when they are not having authority... But when in case given authority they will establish the Ethics/morals (Salat here) and by doing so will bring forth the purification or betterment... And they while having power do things to stop evils and spread good and enjoin What is good... That's how they do Salat and Zakath...
They won't make the people to pray while having power... Power is over all classes be it Muslim or non Muslim and they can't make others pray and it is nonsensical... And they can't make others do charity... These are good things and not by force or not by having power...
But preventing evils is absolutely possible while having power when applied properly and it is must by those who have authority .. And saving the nation with what's opposite to evil. So thys establishing the ethics of a nation and the outcome is betterment of purification....
If you take all the Salat and Zakath verses together goes in line with the above meaning... Though Salat had different meaning Zakath is never charity but purification and betterment.. Charity is always mentioned in Quran and explained crystal clearly...
By the way GL,,, we know Quran was delivered gradually and it has its order of revelation one after another.... Whoever recorded the order of revelation it is perfect in my studies....
If in aquim Salat and Zakath verses are meant of prayer then prayer cannot be established even before the way to do it or time is not given at least for one Salat.... First those verses should be revealed and then aquim Salat verses should be revealed... But QURAN revelation is perfect and in order for Salat... Aquim Salat and Zakath verses are revealed well before any of the salt steps of time given...even at the beginning of Quran revelations aquim Salat is revealed...thsts impossible.. You can compare that with any other matters of quran
For example fasting... It was not revealed fasting as punishment for certain things before revealing the general fasting which is 2183-187 ..its not punishment but prescribed and time given.. If the punishment fastings are revealed before the actual fasting for benefit then how the person who is penalized with fasting would know how to fast and steps... Order of revelation is giving much sense... Aquim Salat and Zakath is not prayer and Zakath.. You can verify with order of revelation many doubts...
Anyone bring any verse of Salat and Zakath together In sha Allah I will explain it or you can workout...
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Thank you brother khan for your offer.
GOD has makes a better offer in Qoran . I will stay with GOD s explanation/inspiration( for me only) until I am guided otherwise. Then only me to blame. A student of Qoran like yourself should understand that point of view.
However I did look at your points.
Like many other humans we disagree on smaller things.
GOD Alone is a main reason for us to agree on and move on.
Apologies brother.
GOD bless you.
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Thank you brother khan for your offer.
GOD has makes a better offer in Qoran . I will stay with GOD s explanation/inspiration( for me only) until I am guided otherwise. Then only me to blame. A student of Qoran like yourself should understand that point of view.
However I did look at your points.
Like many other humans we disagree on smaller things.
GOD Alone is a main reason for us to agree on and move on.
Apologies brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace...
I can understand your mentality.. It can happen to anyone while reading and following the Quran.. I mean to say going for various option for understanding the verses.. If it doesn't happen then it is strange... But we are going through a life sometimes long life and in between we find certain things we do for ages is wrong or correct...
It's not a kind of offer but my understanding and explanation...
Bit we all should certainly agree that quran has specific meaning is intended by God the author of it... Every sentence has it particular meaning and each and everyone cannot give totally contrary meaning to it... So that should be our effort to come to its real meaning collectively.... That in the end I believe is guidance.... Guidance cannot be of wring option of in a state of confusion as well but guidance should be manifest beyond doubt... Otherwise what to follow will be a tricky and keep following also may be insane...
Yes brother keep learning as all other members and believers... Let the believers die with right path being chosen and followed..
God bless you and all believers..
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Peace good brother, I am afraid you are now conflating war situation with traveling
And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you
for shortening the prayer...??????????... handshakeSalaam hawk99
May I know why you as a big group have weapons and why can't you leave them aside and why you have to keep precaution in a travel so enemy does not attack you in a single attack?
The word for travel in Quran e.g.
2238
and if you were on a travel
2184 ...... ....
........or on travel....
God bless you.
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The Aquimi Salat has one meaning in all the verses containing Aquimi Salat.
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......so if they stop and Aqimi salat and give zaka then leave them in their sabeel.....
You mean mushrikeen are required to do ritual prayer in above verse.
and like jkhan mentioned in his post 2241 when God give them power they Aquimi salat. You can have your ritual prayer anywhere whether you have power or not.
Look ,Zaccariah was on his own . He was not discussing any context with anyone else,he was Quaimun Yusalli Fi Al Mihrab.
He was doing Aquimi Salat- physical prayer- by himself brother.339
So when he was doing ritual prayer the controllers called him
Did they stop him doing his ritual prayer?
Did he stopped praying or ignored the controllers?God bless you.
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Peace Novice.
The people you mention in 95 are the prophet s people they have already done this beforeThey are all the same people divided in two groups. They have been doing Aquimi Salat before(Salatuhum Inda EL- Beyt... But a corrupted version.)
Remember you will have the same problem with "Aatawu Zakat" . You mean Mushrekeen are allowed to give Zakat?What the verse is saying to the two parties at war (from the same tribe) ,once the sacred months have passed and the treaty is over and they refuse to make peace i.e they are still attacking you, then do not fight those who want to refer to being peaceful and Aquimi Salat and give Zakat and are not fighting you, leave them be.
As for Zaccariah, he was doing his Salat when the Angel called. Now brother if you are having your meal (for your body s need) and I called to see you, will you leave your meal or do you finish your meal then we shat. Common sense brother.
I think the Angels are very patient creatures ,surely they wait few minutes for Zaccariah to finish his prayer!!!
Yes I cannot bring you a verse that deals with this step by step, neither can you bring me a verse detailing how Zaccariah stoped his prayeror what exactly he was following closely.
Just plain common sense.
GOD bless you.
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Dear Novice...
By confining yourself for only one meaning for Salat (Following closely - the guidance of Quran) you are definitely in trouble at I said in few of my earlier thread... Okay let's get back to your latest post addressing to GL.. Referring the quite familiar verse 95 for negating the Salat in this verse as prayer.. Yes of course it is not prayer as I said earlier which is also joined with the word Zakath...
Interestingly for you Novice the Salat in Quran is one meaning as of above and to GL one meaning which is physical prayer but for me salat gives many meanings in the entire quran at least more than four...
Okay.. In 95 you pointed that Salat is not prayer and I agree but I disagree with the closely following meaning to 95.. So you want to say " when the certain group of mushrikun were made to taabu(Turn to) closely followed (guidance of Quran) and pay Zakath leave them in their way...
What sort of meaning is that?
Why in the first place Mushrikun need to turn to follow closely the guidance which is of God...? And the Zakath.. I don't what what you mean as Zakath.. Suppose if charity why all these need to be done by mushrikun to leave them in their way.. My dear believers, establishing morals/ethics and bringing forth betterment is not necessarily be God's law and guidance but any morals accepted in the society which doesn't harm another and bringing forth betterment and peace prevail...
But clear verses refer this way...
Keep reading from 91-6 so you will get better idea what's explanation...
04 restricted months waited and the months elapsed and back to business by both parties... Point to Note Here in case anyone of those who is willing/willed after those lengthy 04 months to TURN/ED TO (Taabu) and established ethics / morals and brought purification or betterment just leave them in their way... So they did the basic of what a society needs to have ethics and by doing so purified.. It doesn't mean they followed God's law..
That's why in verse 96 God asks believers to give security to those of mushrikun who asks for it .. Coz those who reformed by establishing Salat needs the security coz they are not the same as of those who couldn't maintain the morals of a society... Those who established the morals and given security are still mushrikun.. Thats their business of belief... But they did Salat and Zakath.. That's to say they established ethics and reformed and made themselves more purified as human away from unethical conducts which is against the safety of a community...
So in my view closely following guidance of God has no meaning in this verse 9"5
Novice you are confused and confusing in the topic... Or else adamant in front of truth. Whatever it is May God guide what is right.....
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The word for travel in Quran e.g.
2238
and if you were on a travel
2184 ...... ....
........or on travel....
God bless you.
Peace Novice...
So you are trying to say that in Arabic only Safar is traveling and dharab the word used in 4101.... If so would you pls explain what is dharab... Actually at per QURAN dharab has few meanings... Isn't 7320 travelling.. In which it states.... "..... Travelling throughout the land to seek the bounty of Allah... Word used dharab... Can you explain what is dharab here...
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The people you mention in 95 are the prophet s people they have already done this before
They are all the same people divided in two groups. They have been doing Aquimi Salat before(Salatuhum Inda EL- Beyt... But a corrupted version.)
Remember you will have the same problem with "Aatawu Zakat" . You mean Mushrekeen are allowed to give Zakat?Salaam GL
My brother you assume too many things.
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Freedom from obligation is proclaimed from God and His Messenger towards those of the Pagans with whom you had made a treaty.
So this verse is regarding mushrikeen who have broken their contract with believers.
Did I say zakat means charity/2.5% tax? Zakat is an Arabic word and means to give growth.
If mushrikeen follow the rules of your society, not the ritual prayer or 2.5% tax etc., but respecting and following your society's norms, which are based on God's guidance and as a result give overall growth to the society and don't fight with you, then leave them alone.
It gives a picture of peaceful co-existence of different people in one society.
What the verse is saying to the two parties at war (from the same tribe) ,once the sacred months have passed and the treaty is over and they refuse to make peace i.e they are still attacking you, then do not fight those who want to refer to being peaceful and Aquimi Salat and give Zakat and are not fighting you, leave them be.
Why would mushrikeen do a ritual prayer and pay 2.5% tax?
As for Zaccariah, he was doing his Salat when the Angel called. Now brother if you are having your meal (for your body s need) and I called to see you, will you leave your meal or do you finish your meal then we shat. Common sense brother.
I think the Angels are very patient creatures ,surely they wait few minutes for Zaccariah to finish his prayer!!!Another assumption brother. How you know angels are very patient? Why would angel call him when they saw him praying ritually? Does the verse say they waited untill he finished his ritual prayer?
Yes I cannot bring you a verse that deals with this step by step, neither can you bring me a verse detailing how Zaccariah stoped his prayeror what exactly he was following closely.
Just plain common sense.That is the truth brother you cannot bring a verse to prove your assumptions.
God bless you.
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Okay.. In 95 you pointed that Salat is not prayer and I agree but I disagree with the closely following meaning to 95.. So you want to say " when the certain group of mushrikun were made to taabu(Turn to) closely followed (guidance of Quran) and pay Zakath leave them in their way...
What sort of meaning is that?Every resident has to follow the law of land to let the society run peacefully. It does not mean following any ritual prayers. I see in your post the same understanding.
Why in the first place Mushrikun need to turn to follow closely the guidance which is of God...? And the Zakath.. I don't what what you mean as Zakath.. Suppose if charity why all these need to be done by mushrikun to leave them in their way.. My dear believers, establishing morals/ethics and bringing forth betterment is not necessarily be God's law and guidance but any morals accepted in the society which doesn't harm another and bringing forth betterment and peace prevail...
In essence your understanding is matching with mine. The difference is that, to me the messenger established the society under God's guidance which all residents had to follow to live peacefully in co-existence.
Keep reading from 91-6 so you will get better idea what's explanation...
04 restricted months waited and the months elapsed and back to business by both parties... Point to Note Here in case anyone of those who is willing/willed after those lengthy 04 months to TURN/ED TO (Taabu) and established ethics / morals and brought purification or betterment just leave them in their way... So they did the basic of what a society needs to have ethics and by doing so purified.. It doesn't mean they followed God's law..
That's why in verse 96 God asks believers to give security to those of mushrikun who asks for it .. Coz those who reformed by establishing Salat needs the security coz they are not the same as of those who couldn't maintain the morals of a society... Those who established the morals and given security are still mushrikun.. Thats their business of belief... But they did Salat and Zakath.. That's to say they established ethics and reformed and made themselves more purified as human away from unethical conducts which is against the safety of a community...
So in my view closely following guidance of God has no meaning in this verse 9"5My difference with you is that the messenger had a system of ethics based on God's guidance and every resident was supposed to follow that system of ethics hence peaceful co-existence. It does not involve performing ritual prayers.
God bless you.
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Peace Novice...
So you are trying to say that in Arabic only Safar is traveling and dharab the word used in 4101.... If so would you pls explain what is dharab... Actually at per QURAN dharab has few meanings... Isn't 7320 travelling.. In which it states.... "..... Travelling throughout the land to seek the bounty of Allah... Word used dharab... Can you explain what is dharab here...
May God guide us and teach us His book plainly...Dharaba means to strike but idiomatically it has been used in Quran giving a variety of meanings depending upon the context.
It seems to me that in Quran when dharaba is used for travel it has some specific purpose, it is not an ordinary personal travel. 7320 is giving purpose of travel to seek God's bounties.
God bless you.
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Every resident has to follow the law of land to let the society run peacefully. It does not mean following any ritual prayers. I see in your post the same understanding.
In essence your understanding is matching with mine. The difference is that, to me the messenger established the society under God's guidance which all residents had to follow to live peacefully in co-existence.My difference with you is that the messenger had a system of ethics based on God's guidance and every resident was supposed to follow that system of ethics hence peaceful co-existence. It does not involve performing ritual prayers.
God bless you.
There you are Novice..... every resident has to follow the law of a nation... wait a second... ethics are must in every faculty of society... be it school, college, parliament, on the road or at home or wherever... BUT it doesnt need to be the law of God... that's bizarre claim... Forcing the people of the nation to follow the law of God... horrible... there is no compulsion in system... Nations consists of different sets of beliefs and even so called religions and they all no need to follow the law of God... it's not even ethical approach... Ethics are common .. ethics are born with human and every human knows what ethic is... problem is all of them don't follow it..
meanwhile what a nation or the responsible ones of a nation can and should control is basic ethics and law presented to safeguard the nation... There is no way a country should implement Law and order based on single religious aspect when there are people who live with different belief and they live peacefully without harming anyone and abiding the general principles of law not necessarily need to accept God's law in quran... that's not God said.. but you say Novice... so dangerous if you are a leader of a nation... elektro voodoo
God guide us..