What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?
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Peace Novice.
Do you see that you have a problem with this, quoteIf mushrikeen follow the rules of your society, not the ritual prayer or 2.5% tax etc., but respecting and following your society's norms, which are based on God's guidance and as a result give overall growth to the society and don't fight with you, then leave them alone.
So you expect them to follow GOD s guidance or force them?
In that case they will Aquimi Salat and give Zakat!!!I said, they already have been doing Aquimi Salat before ( Wa Ma Kana Salatuhum Inda El-Beyt Illa Mukaan Wa Tasdiyah?)
And I also implied exactly this in my post as well
It gives a picture of peaceful co-existence of different people in one society.
Read my post again, I said -Leave them be-
As for Zaccariah, what do you think he was doing brother?
GOD bless you.
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Let's get back to those three verses... You God has given set of dos and don'ts...individually and as a nations.... That's very clear in Quran.. If God asks to fast then fast and we can't force anyone who is mushrik or hypocrites to fast and force by saying that God's law is the best and flawless...
God's guidance is perfect. All religious rituals are man made. So we cannot force a mushrik to follow man made rituals. The guidance in Quran is not for Muslims only. Quran is guidance for all mankind
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So please do not say what Quran does not say. It did not ask mushrikeen to do any ritual prayers or fasting or giving 2.5% zakat tax. It is saying that if mushrikeen follow God's Law (e.g. 6151-153) and give growth to society then leave them alone.
If you live in USA follow what US government is saying and if you are in Egypt or Saudi or India then follow what the respective Nations say to keep the peace in the nations...
Wrong a believer would not follow anything that is against Quranic guidance whether he lives in USA or Saudia or...
Point to think Novice is quran has various laws that only believers should take it as a practice and I don't need to emphasize that... So asking and forcing the mushrik to follow everything what is in Quran and as laws prescribed by God is outrageous and against humanity...
When my Rabb says it is "guidance for mankind" I believe it can be practiced by all mankind.
Man made system succeeds and fails coz its man made.. But it doesn't mean God is against Man made system... If Yousuf lived in the kingdom of Man made and though Yousuf is prophet or not he has to surrender to the system just keep the peace around though Yousuf is well convinced that the system is right or wrong...
Wrong again. God's Deen is to overcome over all man made systems.
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He who sent His messenger with guidance and true Deen so it could overcome all other deens .....
Novice bring better argument... Trust me I only take the right path even you clarified to me or GL or anyone... Coz right path should be respected and be followed... Once the truth is manifest and denying is worse.. I am not such... I will definitely highly appreciate you and accept it I find your explanations convinced me as per QURAN... I am not proud to accept truth... So bring better proof...
Did I quote anything out of Quran? My proof is only Quran.
God bless you.
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Peace Novice.
Do you see that you have a problem with this, quoteIf mushrikeen follow the rules of your society, not the ritual prayer or 2.5% tax etc., but respecting and following your society's norms, which are based on God's guidance and as a result give overall growth to the society and don't fight with you, then leave them alone.
So you expect them to follow GOD s guidance or force them?
In that case they will Aquimi Salat and give Zakat!!!So you mean they will do ritual prayer and pay 2.5% zakat tax. That is good logic.
As for Zaccariah, what do you think he was doing brother?
" ". God has commanded us to reflect on His ayats. When we are reflecting on His ayats in order to follow them closely, we are doing salat.
God bless you.
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Wrong a believer would not follow anything that is against Quranic guidance whether he lives in USA or Saudia or...
Peace Novice....
Either you don't get me or you are blinded.... I explained simply do that I anticipated you give thought in broad way and understand... So I have to explain unfortunately the simple things...
Dear that's why I used the phrase WHETHER LIKE OR NOT..
Yes we follow we live US or China things against our belief or those who are not believers are following against their belief of they live in another environment...
Okay let me put it in detail...
If you live in USA where r you like it or you have to be patient to agree the law of Gay marriage...
If the punishment for murdering in India is 10 years then eve. If you agree or not got to surrender
If eating or killing cows or certain animals is prohibited you got to surrender... Going against is only makes those angry and violating the law..
If driving for women is prohibited then got to surrender whether like it or not.
If selling and breeding swines is prohibited then they have to surrender even they love to eat it's meat...
If the one girl is raped and if the law is to marry the girl thrn surrender whether like it or not or going against God's law...
If the taxes are overloaded on public still you got to surrender you like it or not...
If you are not allowed to enter so called Haramain in Saudi being labelled as kafir then u got to surrender whether they like it or not...
If you are not allowed to preach publicly about One God belief in one nation then surrender to the law...if having more than one child is prohibited in any nation then surrender... Why we surrender coz we are powerless to go against it... Going against is needless to say...
You can bring examples of each nations of you put thoughts to it..
But somehow being a follower of God or not Following God have to surrender just to keep the peace not coz individuals heart like it...
Everyone has their privacy in heart to believe in What they like regardless of what is the law of a nation..
You don't need to make Mushrik follow everything of what God ordered just coz you have upper hand.... You only have to do what is wrong collectively against the peace of a nation... How come you shamelessly say that mushrik should surrender to God's law and closely follow while they have their own set of dogmas which they respect... But unethical way he it it mushrik or believers should be punished according to prevailing law... Be God's or human made... If you are living in country and if your daughter is raped and you approach the law of the nation and you win in the end and he was given 5 years imprisonment.... Whether it is the law of God or not you will be satisfied that justice was brought.. And when he returns after 5 years you can't revenge saying that it is not enough and it is not the law of God... That's horrible and you will be the breacher...
So Salat and Zakath gives meaning in Quran to establish morals and bringforth purification be it God's law or human made but peace prevail... God's law always should be followed all believers individually... Collectively when there is power on the hands of purr Muslims.. I doubt that prevails in any nation... Messengers came to nations and their duty to present what God delivered and not to force in people taking and leaving is their own business....
But morals can't be taken for granted lightly... Morals is human rights... No one can spoil the peace of another by being unethical... Suppose if you go in a bus peacefully and suddenly one behaves very unethically harming everyone's peace in the bus needs quick action against him to bringforth the peace in the bus...
Dude be more broadminded with the verses of God... When God explained something in Quran with one verse in one chapter that could only be one meaning intended by God and contrary meanings to that particular verses need to be addressed... Finding out the exact meaning intended by God is the duty of every believer..
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If you live in USA where r you like it or you have to be patient to agree the law of Gay marriage...
No I don't have to agree with it. It does not force me to live like a guy.
If the punishment for murdering in India is 10 years then eve. If you agree or not got to surrender
India is not an islamic country so they do not have to follow Quranic law. 95 deals with the status of mushrikeen in an islamic state.
If eating or killing cows or certain animals is prohibited you got to surrender... Going against is only makes those angry and violating the law..
Does Quran make it obligatory for us to kill cows etc while living in a Hindu country?
If driving for women is prohibited then got to surrender whether like it or not.
What it has to do with Quranic guidance. Its a cultural thing.
If selling and breeding swines is prohibited then they have to surrender even they love to eat it's meat...
Quran only commands us not to eat it. What they do is their doing.
If the one girl is raped and if the law is to marry the girl thrn surrender whether like it or not or going against God's law...
You totally forgot that in non-Islamic country you cannot judge them with Quranic law. 95 is status of mushrikeen in Islamic country.
How come you shamelessly say that mushrik should surrender to God's law and closely follow while they have their own set of dogmas which they respect...
If you are living in country and if your daughter is raped and you approach the law of the nation and you win in the end and he was given 5 years imprisonment....
I do not want to reply to any of your post in future because I do not like to lose manners in a debate. To you is your understanding and to me is mine and we are not answerable to each others understanding.
God bless you.
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Peace Novice.
This is a way of saying I do not have to explain about verses of Aquimi Salat, quote" ". God has commanded us to reflect on His ayats. When we are reflecting on His ayats in order to follow them closely, we are doing salat.
Just say you are still reflecting on most of the ayats about Aquimi Salat.
That is fine by me.
Keep reflecting brother, so will I.
Thank you and GOD bless you.
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If you don?t want to respond, I won?t force anyone to answer in this forum.. there is no compulsion that one should reply to another.. but I will keep moving with clarifications and understanding of quran, if God will someone will benefit.. If my understanding and clarifications are erroneous then in sha Allah I will benefit by understanding the right thing from others in this forum or any other site that I have been involved with? so that?s why most of the people are here in this forum to know and share something of their understanding to check how far they are right?
If you have taken personally my explanations, then I can?t help.. dude I don?t even know who you are; a male or female, married or unmarried, having daughters or not and where you are living etc.. the word you is not always you when giving an example.. God knows what I intended so I don?t bother with your emotions and not gonna say sorry??God is enough as witness? At least you could have verified from whether I meant YOU?Even anyone had given such an example to me by definitely meaning to me to say his example, I won?t bother coz it is an example?
Take same emotions of you with Mushrik?While they have their own set of beliefs and they devoted to their deities and they keep following for ages and suddenly if they were FORCED to discard and CLOSELY FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF ONE GOD, how they would trust it? With compelling you cant make a person believe? That?s only a dream? how they closely follow in which they are not convinced? We after studying a lot how many things we discuss here to get convinced, but still how many of us are having entirely different views of opinions.. Then how you expect those mushrik knew everything in quran to be convinced and salat and zakath.. just hilarious?You want to make people whom God sent astray to right path?you want make the hearts which are sealed to be given a key to open it.. duty of a messenger is to deliver but if the same messenger is a leader of the nation then the story is different in matters which is against the peace of a nation..
No one can force mushrik to establish salat and zakath if the meaning is what you bringing.. But if the meaning is different as morals and purification, then mushrik or whoever they have to surrender to the morals for the sake of everyone?s tranquility ?. Charity, or fasting or applauding God or praying or reading the quran following instruction which a believer compulsorily have to perform are not morals? morals are common in a human society and it may vary nation to nation as well but most of the nations have the common morals?. I don?t mean to say no morals are indicated in quran?If you read what is human rights then you will get what is morals? But to near God every believer has to perform beyond morals? That?s why God say remembering (zikr) God is greater than Morals(salat) 2945.. Yes Establishing morals keep you from evils and coupled with reading the quran and understand follow the instruction then one become believer and pious? Quran also presents very good morals which are not denied by any religious group coz it is a human nature.. for example quran says respect your parents, definitely it?s a good moral, btw which religious belief deny respecting the parents? most of the morals are born with..
2177 is very good verse by which those who call the meaning of salat to (Prayer or closely following or any other can be easily debunked) as well the word Zakat in it can be debunked easily if anyone say it is zakath (as compulsory charity)? need bit common sense to be applied and compared ? but truth won?t look as truth unless God will?if people give meaning of two entirely different meaning to one verse then it cannot be guidance, either one is right or both wrong? and if still keep claiming for you your way and for me my way? one way or the other in total loss..
If there is no one truth how then any of the quran only believers asault the conventional muslim and their set of beliefs... coz quran only believers feels that what conventional believers doing wrong based on some concerted meaning to quran... so if quran only believers differ in many of the meanings of the quran and go totally against while practicing them, what would be the cause... there is only one thing which is right when it comes to meaning of individual verse..if everyone claim their understanding is right, then quran has different meaning to one verse... that's impossible...
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If you are living in country and if your daughter is raped and you approach the law of the nation and you win in the end and he was given 5 years imprisonment.... Whether it is the law of God or not you will be satisfied that justice was brought.. And when he returns after 5 years you can't revenge saying that it is not enough and it is not the law of God... That's horrible and you will be the breacher...
sorry for replying somebodys else post. let see it by other angle.
if same thing happened with your daughter will u gona go for the option of taking MONEY as ransom from the party whos responsible? its a full quranic way and i have feelings u fully obey Quran and you will defo gona do that will it make u satisfied ?
benefits of doing this.
a continous business for you if rape happen on multiple occassions.
saving the space for other criminals in prison we have horrible prisons.
?following closeley? the laws of ransom generated by quran.
in this way no more violence from other party, no more bloodsheeding because rape is done anyway so why risking life of others?so now its your turn what u will gona do in that situation same question from YOU?
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sorry for replying somebodys else post. let see it by other angle.
if same thing happened with your daughter will u gona go for the option of taking MONEY as ransom from the party whos responsible? its a full quranic way and i have feelings u fully obey Quran and you will defo gona do that will it make u satisfied ?
benefits of doing this.
a continous business for you if rape happen on multiple occassions.
saving the space for other criminals in prison we have horrible prisons.
?following closeley? the laws of ransom generated by quran.
in this way no more violence from other party, no more bloodsheeding because rape is done anyway so why risking life of others?so now its your turn what u will gona do in that situation same question from YOU?
lets see how this question will impact on your feelings.If someone doesn't want justice after being put to injustice, then i don't what his or her mentality is... let justice prevail be it God's law or human made law... btw no one can deny that human law is not necessary ... if one says that God's law is in each and every aspect is found in quran, then i doubt it... God has given human a great knowledge so working laws when and where required to apply to certain things which human invented is must... any violations on those laws is actually penalized.. For example drug trafficking ... every nation has different set of rules ... some even give death penalty for such... traffic violations and accidents and death... this world and the systems are immense... God has given much important laws.... that's undeniably the best... but human made laws for certain things.. and keep changing according time and requirement and necessity...
Don't judge everyone same... yes most of all it is business.. but it is also a kind of a business ... no one can say the business is wrong... what is there is in this world for free when one is working hard on another... Business is goods & service...
Any way we can't change the law of a nation but only we can abide by it ... but our relation with God is another thing... When Yousuf was in prison for nothing he was helpless unless God helped him... we can't take the law of a nation in our hand... YOusuf could have fought after coming back from prison saying he was put in jail without justice and need justice against those coz he spent years in it for no reason which no one can repay... but he was not.. coz, certain things we can't control though we know it is wrong... but we have hearts, use it well...
don't underestimate the law of a nation.. be it God's or human made, law and order is must.... without it there is no way the peace will prevail...
Deeply think then only you will get how important justice is... if any of my beloved is killed, you want me to relax saying it is the will of God... it is not the will of God... but it was meant to happen but it doesn't mean we keep quiet.. If so, when King Pharaoh keep killing the innocent babies, we can't claim it was the will of God, if why God Himself ask why you kill the innocent and why you can't fight against those who tortured unfairly.... God is just and he want us to act justly... be with God's law or in with our own God gifted knowledge when applicable..
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Peace hawk.
May be this salat is also something else , but I fail to see it at anything else but "physical prayer
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The hypocrites think that they are deceiving God, but He is the One who leads them on. When they get up for the Salat, they get up lazily. That is because they only show off in front of the people, and rarely do they think of God.4143
They waver in between, neither belonging to this group, nor that group. Whomever God sends astray, you will never find a way to guide him.I think it is time to conclude in this thread ,yet anothrer Salat thread that got nowhere with "Aquimi Salat" as conclusively something different from physical prayer?
Well brother you and me have been misled? Or
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If it were not for God's grace towards you, and His mercy, some of them would have misled you. They only mislead themselves, and they can never harm you in the least. God has sent down to you the scripture and wisdom, and He has taught you what you never knew. Indeed, God's blessings upon you have been great.The way I see it, there is nothing good about following our own warped logic except if we advocate giving to people, helping people, making peace among people, advocating good deeds and good morals. Anyone who does this in response to GOD s teaching, GOD will reward him.
As for Salat one has the choice to do it or not do it.
Brother, I have seen and felt its benefits. I shall continue god willing making this daily contact with my creator.
GOD bless you.
Peace.@ Good Logic,
I don't know if they are hypocrites today who don't perform the salat, maybe
some are. Yes, some people are lazy and half hearted in devotion.I agree, some folks who are confronted with the traditional physical salat
are mislead by the rigid adherence and the questionable details like the
mentioning of Muhammad, the number of rakats, the salaaming of angels
and how many salats to perform in a day.peace
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@ Good Logic,
I don't know if they are hypocrites today who don't perform the salat, maybe
some are. Yes, some people are lazy and half hearted in devotion.I agree, some folks who are confronted with the traditional physical salat
are mislead by the rigid adherence and the questionable details like the
mentioning of Muhammad, the number of rakats, the salaaming of angels
and how many salats to perform in a day.peace
@ Hawk
Let us work hard to make people read the quran by using this forum and also in any way in which we are involved with... it means lets deliver the message... let them decide... let them be believers or deniers or hypocrites .... no issue... it's their destiny... -
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Let us work hard to make people read the quran by using this forum and also in any way in which we are involved with... it means lets deliver the message... let them decide... let them be believers or deniers or hypocrites .... no issue... it's their destiny...I agree, we believers are not enemies of one another, let's not judge too harshly
because we are all on our own journey.I have a question that has been with me a long time, and it is
Of all the sects, opinions, debates regarding times of salat, how many salats,
number of rakats, etc., "why is there an agreement that there is no salat between fajr and zuhr"?&
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I agree, we believers are not enemies of one another, let's not judge too harshly
because we are all on our own journey.I have a question that has been with me a long time, and it is
Of all the sects, opinions, debates regarding times of salat, how many salats,
number of rakats, etc., "why is there an agreement that there is no salat between fajr and zuhr"?&
There is no agreement among sects.. They do all sorts of things... I don't about the place u live but in my place and I'm subcontinent there are people who pray after Fajr calling nafl prayer and once sun risen and also before so called zuhr (I. E Wusta) they pray nafl.... And differs people to people how many rakat....no agreement... There could be more unknown...
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There is no agreement among sects.. They do all sorts of things... I don't about the place u live but in my place and I'm subcontinent there are people who pray after Fajr calling nafl prayer and once sun risen and also before so called zuhr (I. E Wusta) they pray nafl.... And differs people to people how many rakat....no agreement... There could be more unknown...
Peace jkhan, I think you misunderstand me, I am not referring to nafl and
sunna prayers before and after the obligatory prayers, but an independent
salat between the two.peace
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Peace jkhan, I think you misunderstand me, I am not referring to nafl and
sunna prayers before and after the obligatory prayers, but an independent
salat between the two.peace
Yeah sure got u wrong... Coz I thought any prayers... But anyhow people pray for God.. What is that obligatory and the other one... That's not strange... Leave that... But there who pray obligatory on different way....
For example they consider it obligatory without it is sin according to them...- two eid prayers of it falls on Friday then most pray eid salah that is between Fajr and zuhr and they don't pray zuhr which is called jumma.... They skip.. So they automatically pray a so called obligatory during that period...
- janasa prayer... Not praying janasa by atleast small group for a dead man they consider a son and it obligatory on their book.. So when one janasa is done duirng that period that's obligatory even they delay zuhr for that purpose...
- and here comes eclipses.... And eclipses prayer.. Whenever there is even a minor eclipses whether they see or not just when informed in media they pray the other morning... It is must for them and at least one group shoud pray otherwise all in sin.. So intention is obligatory...
There could be more I can't recollect...
Is that what u were asking Hawk...
Peace
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Yeah sure got u wrong... Coz I thought any prayers... But anyhow people pray for God.. What is that obligatory and the other one... That's not strange... Leave that... But there who pray obligatory on different way....
shukraan jazilaan good brother I am looking for why no salat between fajr
and zuhr. My instincts tells me it has something to do with the sun. hmmI am not aware of the eclipse prayer, anyway I won't be making it.
- two eid prayers of it falls on Friday then most pray eid salah that is between Fajr and
zuhr and they don't pray zuhr which is called jumma.... They skip.. So they automatically
pray a so called obligatory during that period...
Yeah I remember it well, participated many times. hail
- janasa prayer... Not praying janasa by at least small group for a dead man they consider a son and it obligatory on their book.. So when one janasa is done duirng that period that's obligatory even they delay zuhr for that purpose...
Yep, we sure did D
- two eid prayers of it falls on Friday then most pray eid salah that is between Fajr and
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shukraan jazilaan good brother I am looking for why no salat between fajr
and zuhr. My instincts tells me it has something to do with the sun. hmmInstinct is the key for anything... keep it up... if you have time explain to us what is the connection with sun and fajr to zuhr no contradiction among any..... as we know sun is the guide for salat timing any way...
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Instinct is the key for anything... keep it up... if you have time explain to us what is the connection with sun and fajr to zuhr no contradiction among any..... as we know sun is the guide for salat timing any way...
God guide you....Okay here goes, pr The sun was the principal idol before and after Islam.
Many cultures turned to it for blessings in the form of sustenance and
peace of mind with regards to plant growth. That is why we pray before
the sun appears and after it begins to decline.And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not
prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah , who created them,
if it should be Him that you worship.my two cents
peace
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Okay here goes, pr The sun was the principal idol before and after Islam.
Many cultures turned to it for blessings in the form of sustenance and
peace of mind with regards to plant growth. That is why we pray before
the sun appears and after it begins to decline.And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not
prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah , who created them,
if it should be Him that you worship.But people still do prostrations when sun and moon are visible on the sky during the day and night. Do you mean they are taken as idols only at sunrise?
Salaam
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But people still do prostrations when sun and moon are visible on the sky during the day and night. Do you mean they are taken as idols only at sunrise?
Salaam
Peace Novice
I was wondering why there is no salat between fajr and zuhr,
not including sunna and nafl as brother jkhan highlighted.
If you have knowledge or a theory please share.For instance, Catholics The have
The Good Friday Morning Prayer is at 800 A.M and
the Easter Sunrise prayer is after sunrise at 645 am
April 1, 2019, while fajr begins at 0529 am and sunrise is at 0644 am.peace