What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?
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Peace Novice.
So you are saying salat in 835 is a ritual prayer or what are you saying here?
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That is your assumption brother. Verse is saying that their ritual...their salat...their following... indal baiti was meaningless.And does that mean Salat devoted to GOD Alone is also meaningless? Why does Qoran instruct to "Aquimi Salat"?
Can you please responded to following questions?
1- How do you Aqimis salat?
2- Which verse in Quran gives you details to Aqimis salat if it is a physical ritual?God bless you
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You know brother "Maquam" can be both physical and abstract(system...) The Maquam Abraham is Al Beyt the context of the verses indicate to me it is a physical place and a system
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As Abraham raised the foundations of the Beyt, together with Ismail (they prayed) "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient.Salaam Brother GL
Thanks for acknowledging that Bait could be a physical place as well as a system. Is your claim (that AL-bait in 2127 is a physical place) in line with the verse?
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Your translation for is "of the bait" whereas verse says "from the bait".
How can one raise the foundation from the bait?
God bless you.
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Brother hawk have a look at the article on salat by brother Wakas and see the points raised by him if we take salat=ritual prayer in 4102
Peace good brother
Articles and videos are not my mode of travel, I prefer Quran. )
The root d lm ww ( و
The meaning of this root are to follow closely.I agree with your definition "to follow closely" so how do we follow closely?
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Peace Novice.
How do you Aquimi Salat?
Abraham did it (was taught it) ,Abraham in turn taught his children ,who taught their children...From one generation to the next
2173GOD taught the Straight path(Commands) and Iquami Salat And....
The corrections of what was corrupted was in turn given by subsequent messengers after Abraham.You also find the positions of Iquami Salat mentioned in the Quran, including the standing position (339, 399), the bowing and prostration positions (Rukoo' and Sajood) (243, 343, 9112, 2226, 2277).
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You shall Aquimu Salat and give the Zakat, and bow down with those who bow down.You see people doing Salat brother. Do you think they learnt it from Hadiths? Bring me the detailed of how to do salat from Hadiths or any other source! You may bring bits and bobs but never details of how to perform the salat step by step!!!!
So yes, You "Irkahu Maha Al Rakiheen". i.e learnt from people seeing people do it.GOD bless you.
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Peace Imran.
Can also mean Of . Actually "Raise something from" just means build the foundations of.
You can say in Arabic "I ate a piece from the fruit" or "I ate a piece of the fruit" both valid.
Now, you give me your take of the verse to compare .
Thanks brother.
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Peace Imran.
Can also mean Of . Actually "Raise something from" just means build the foundations of.
You can say in Arabic "I ate a piece from the fruit" or "I ate a piece of the fruit" both valid.
Now, you give me your take of the verse to compare .
Thanks brother.
Peace.which one brother ?
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Sorry Imran.
I meant brother Novice.
Apologies.Imran, please have a look at the last link in the thread 9/11 what is new if you have time and let me know your thoughts on it.
GOD bless you.
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Maintain with care the prayers and the middle prayer and stand
before Allah , devoutly obedient.peace brother hawk,
actually i would like to say the same thing what novice said atleast read the article of WAKAS. as he covered all those points regarding sala as per quranic method of understanding. u already said u take less interest in watching videos nd reading articles and u only use quran.but wakas didnt claim anything by himself he just collect all those related things what a reader usually loooking for when they research about SALA.anyway lets talk on this specific verse 2238
Guard your alsalats(plural) and alsalat -al- wasta. and devote/obey/dutiful to your God. 2238.
now at this point corpus claimed alsalat -al - wasta is (single )main/important sala.
some said its plural also like collection of lot of sala ( may b ch107 give a hint) to some of the wasta salats.
in this way traditional scholar cant interpret in this way.
maintain with care the prayers and middle prayers. ( u can urself see how carelessly somebody interpret it even the starting of verse have three words).ok btw what in that verse u wana ask ?
we cant use DUA(pray) in SALA verses.
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Sorry Imran.
I meant brother Novice.
Apologies.Imran, please have a look at the last link in the thread 9/11 what is new if you have time and let me know your thoughts on it.
GOD bless you.
Peace.NO worries brother.
i posted there on other thread i havnt watch that video yet.
God bless you
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peace GL,
Peace hawk.
My understanding this Salat is physical.4102 is saying to a group of soldiers at war that it is fine if they shorten their prayer by taking turn praying after the leader always leaving part of the group vigilant/watching over the group doing the physical Salat.
This is made clear in here-4103 ? ..
When you are at peace and secure(war is over) Aquimi Salat at the specific times as per the norm.
It does not make any sense to me otherwise.
Let s see though what others can offer from their understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Parts in bold are not in the Arabic.
peace Hawk,
Since you apparently do not like articles, this could explain why you ask poor questions such as physical or non-physical.
See 4102 analysis here
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Peace Novice.
How do you Aquimi Salat?
Abraham did it (was taught it) ,Abraham in turn taught his children ,who taught their children...From one generation to the next
2173Thank you brother GL
So you learned your "Aqimi Salat" from your elders and not from Quran.
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And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we follow what we found our elders on.........
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And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we will follow what we find our elders on .....
GOD taught the Straight path(Commands) and Iquami Salat And....
The corrections of what was corrupted was in turn given by subsequent messengers after Abraham.Where does God teach ritual prayer in Quran?
Where does Quran details the correction to the corruption in performing salat?You also find the positions of Iquami Salat mentioned in the Quran, including the standing position (339, 399), the bowing and prostration positions (Rukoo' and Sajood) (243, 343, 9112, 2226, 2277).
Brother you have not provided any verse giving details of ritual prayer like how many rakat, what to say etc. etc
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You shall Aquimu Salat and give the Zakat, and bow down with those who bow down.You see the problem here brother. Red part above is separate from Aqimi salat.
You see people doing Salat brother. Do you think they learnt it from Hadiths? Bring me the detailed of how to do salat from Hadiths or any other source! You may bring bits and bobs but never details of how to perform the salat step by step!!!!
So yes, You "Irkahu Maha Al Rakiheen". i.e learnt from people seeing people do it.Brother you see the contradiction. Can you show me the detail of how to do salat from Quran You may bring bits and bobs but never details of how to perform salat step by step!!!!
Yes you learn it from elders and people around you and not from Quran and God has said follow what is revealed by Him and not people around you.GOD bless you.
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Peace Novice.
So what is Aquimi Salat according to you ?And why 56?
So if your elders follow Qoran you do not follow it?Brother,I am satisfied Qoran instruct us to Aquimi Salat the way Abraham did and to "Irkau Maha Al Rakiheen"? How do you do that?
GOD bless you .
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Peace Wakas.
Here is the specific times in 4103...
The word "Mawkuta" stems from "Wakt" which is time.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Wakas.
I noticed you highlighted "Shorten" the prayer.
So here is where that comes from
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When you travel, during war, you commit no error by shortening your Salat, if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies.The word "Taksuru Mina Salat" in 1101 gives you the context of 4102. 4102 is basically saying
Some of you stand guard with your arms behind the leader and the group doing Salat, then swap over the groups so that those who have not done salat complete it with the leader.i.e each group does part of the salat."Tksuru mina Salat".
GOD bless you.
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So what is Aquimi Salat according to you ?And why 56?
So brother GL above is your reply to my two questions in the following quote.
So you learned your "Aqimi Salat" from your elders and not from Quran.
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And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we follow what we found our elders on.........
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And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we will follow what we find our elders on .....
Where does God teach ritual prayer in Quran?
Where does Quran details the correction to the corruption in performing salat?Do you agree that you learned ritual prayer from your elders and not from what God revealed for us i.e. Quran?
Be honest brother, we are discussing the issue for learning and not for winning.
God bless you.
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Peace Novice.
My elders did not do Salat.
I came across Qoran and researched what is "Aquimi Salat". The sole claimant Of "Iquami Salat" is GOD
2173GOD taught it to Abraham who in turn taught it to his generation....And so forth.
I do it because I believe GOD.
Now bring me the claimant/inventor of" Aquimi Salat" if other than GOD has done so, with Evidence.
By the way why do you talk about "winning"? It has nothing to do with Salat!
GOD bless you.
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So if your elders follow Qoran you do not follow it?
peace GL,
our elders blindly follow quran such a way that i would like to represent some examples.
1 by following quran we can kill people ( blind followers of quran doing it ).
2 chop the hands of thiefs.
3 beat the shit out of immoral women.
4 everybody is going to hell apart from muslims.
5 asking help from other traditional dietes like peers, sufis, khalifas. and considered them as manager or gatepass for getting work done from God.
6 they beleived earth was flat and motionless
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so onok coming back to SALA ( mostly the lens of anti musali) the one who showoff.
instead of feeding poor just do gymnastic
instead of helping orphan he read chap 1 continously
instead of giving aid to needy they bow down .
instead of accepting the system(deen) of providing to family he accpet the system of inviting people to the mosque and hence giving a rightful duty of deen.let say people substitute sala with any of those things like tasbee,dua,ibada,hamad,glorification,pray but for the ones who cant afford helping people.
for this requirement somone wise make a fatwa of doing sala by substituting any of the catagory purpose is to make poor happy and feel equal but rich people also like this kind of sala what was already somehow installed in the tradition of everybody how they perform rituals. so this ritual slowly slowly take a shape of most important TERM used by the author of quran. purpose is to save their money and efforts what they earn very hardly.
ask and observe how many people really doing duties of deen as per ch 107. ? u ll shock to know whenever i get a chance of doing anything as per 107 then i feel real peace on the contrary traditionla method of pray never give me happiness and peace what i feel when i see a smile on the face of orphan.may b rich people feel opposite as we know ?money?
is dear to them their SALA is to save the money as much as they can.so thats y everybody have yo find out what sala is and if they are doing their sala either they are getting peace or not. different people feel peace by different ways. lets find our way how to find peace in
Sala/communion/commitment/duties/tasks/roles/rituals/charities/giving services etc
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Peace,
Maybe my statement was not clear for some people so I
will state it once moreArticles and videos are not my mode of travel, I prefer Quran. )
If someone has something to contribute put it on screen like I do. voodoo
@ Novice
I agree with your definition "to follow closely" so how do we follow closely?
It would be helpful if "you" would translate 4102@ imrankhawaja
Do not use the evils of people to lead you away from what is good!
If shaytayn says he's muslim and commits vile acts will you abandon
the deen? hmmFollow Quran yourself and do not worry about others and what they do.
Yes the salat has been corrupted, find out how, and remove the impediments.
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Peace Imran.
For me, I study Qoran for my own benefit. I have chosen to do it and I disregard what others do.
I respect others choices and decisions, if they are cheating or fooling around or pretending that is their loss. If I am misguided ,I will only blame myself. GOD is very much aware of what we do. We cannot fool GOD even if we think we can fool people.I understand that Salat is a connection at certain times with my creator and only concerns me and my relationship with the Lord. I take the opportunity to spend few private minutes connecting with GOD and freeing my mind from the hassles of this difficult life.
Sometimes try as I can, I fall short of putting GOD in my mind 24/7. I need time to remember GOD and stay GOD conscious to try and save myself from my evil self.It is between me and my creator . I concentrate on myself. It is a big task without getting involved or worry about others.
I am trying my best to really analyse and search Qoran, and until I am certain my understanding is wrong, I will have to be true to my own take on what I understand so far.
I also understand that others have to follow the path that they have come to understand from their own study of Qoran.Tomorrow at GOD, each one of us are going to be asked" Have you not studied /pondered my message or what is it you were doing in your life"
GOD bless you.
Peace
