What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?

[imrankhawaja]

Sorry Imran.
I meant brother Novice.
Apologies.

Imran, please have a look at the last link in the thread 9/11 what is new if you have time and let me know your thoughts on it.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

NO worries brother.

i posted there on other thread i havnt watch that video yet.

God bless you

[Wakas]

peace GL,

Peace hawk.
My understanding this Salat is physical.

4102 is saying to a group of soldiers at war that it is fine if they shorten their prayer by taking turn praying after the leader always leaving part of the group vigilant/watching over the group doing the physical Salat.

This is made clear in here-4103 ? ..
When you are at peace and secure(war is over) Aquimi Salat at the specific times as per the norm.
It does not make any sense to me otherwise.
Let s see though what others can offer from their understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Parts in bold are not in the Arabic.

peace Hawk,

Since you apparently do not like articles, this could explain why you ask poor questions such as physical or non-physical.

See 4102 analysis here
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html

[Novice]

Peace Novice.
How do you Aquimi Salat?
Abraham did it (was taught it) ,Abraham in turn taught his children ,who taught their children...From one generation to the next
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Thank you brother GL

So you learned your "Aqimi Salat" from your elders and not from Quran.

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And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we follow what we found our elders on.........

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And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we will follow what we find our elders on .....

GOD taught the Straight path(Commands) and Iquami Salat And....
The corrections of what was corrupted was in turn given by subsequent messengers after Abraham.

Where does God teach ritual prayer in Quran?
Where does Quran details the correction to the corruption in performing salat?

You also find the positions of Iquami Salat mentioned in the Quran, including the standing position (339, 399), the bowing and prostration positions (Rukoo' and Sajood) (243, 343, 9112, 2226, 2277).

Brother you have not provided any verse giving details of ritual prayer like how many rakat, what to say etc. etc

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You shall Aquimu Salat and give the Zakat, and bow down with those who bow down.

You see the problem here brother. Red part above is separate from Aqimi salat.

You see people doing Salat brother. Do you think they learnt it from Hadiths? Bring me the detailed of how to do salat from Hadiths or any other source! You may bring bits and bobs but never details of how to perform the salat step by step!!!!
So yes, You "Irkahu Maha Al Rakiheen". i.e learnt from people seeing people do it.

Brother you see the contradiction. Can you show me the detail of how to do salat from Quran You may bring bits and bobs but never details of how to perform salat step by step!!!!
Yes you learn it from elders and people around you and not from Quran and God has said follow what is revealed by Him and not people around you.

GOD bless you.

[good_logic]

Peace Novice.
So what is Aquimi Salat according to you ?And why 56?
So if your elders follow Qoran you do not follow it?

Brother,I am satisfied Qoran instruct us to Aquimi Salat the way Abraham did and to "Irkau Maha Al Rakiheen"? How do you do that?

GOD bless you .
Peace

[good_logic]

Peace Wakas.
Here is the specific times in 4103

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The word "Mawkuta" stems from "Wakt" which is time.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[good_logic]

Peace Wakas.
I noticed you highlighted "Shorten" the prayer.
So here is where that comes from
4101
When you travel, during war, you commit no error by shortening your Salat, if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies.

The word "Taksuru Mina Salat" in 1101 gives you the context of 4102. 4102 is basically saying
Some of you stand guard with your arms behind the leader and the group doing Salat, then swap over the groups so that those who have not done salat complete it with the leader.i.e each group does part of the salat."Tksuru mina Salat".
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Novice]

So what is Aquimi Salat according to you ?And why 56?

So brother GL above is your reply to my two questions in the following quote.

So you learned your "Aqimi Salat" from your elders and not from Quran.

2170

And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we follow what we found our elders on.........

3121

And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we will follow what we find our elders on .....

Where does God teach ritual prayer in Quran?
Where does Quran details the correction to the corruption in performing salat?

Do you agree that you learned ritual prayer from your elders and not from what God revealed for us i.e. Quran?

Be honest brother, we are discussing the issue for learning and not for winning.

God bless you.

[good_logic]

Peace Novice.
My elders did not do Salat.
I came across Qoran and researched what is "Aquimi Salat". The sole claimant Of "Iquami Salat" is GOD
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GOD taught it to Abraham who in turn taught it to his generation....And so forth.
I do it because I believe GOD.
Now bring me the claimant/inventor of" Aquimi Salat" if other than GOD has done so, with Evidence.
By the way why do you talk about "winning"? It has nothing to do with Salat!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[imrankhawaja]

So if your elders follow Qoran you do not follow it?

peace GL,

our elders blindly follow quran such a way that i would like to represent some examples.

1 by following quran we can kill people ( blind followers of quran doing it ).
2 chop the hands of thiefs.
3 beat the shit out of immoral women.
4 everybody is going to hell apart from muslims.
5 asking help from other traditional dietes like peers, sufis, khalifas. and considered them as manager or gatepass for getting work done from God.
6 they beleived earth was flat and motionless
7 .....
so on

ok coming back to SALA ( mostly the lens of anti musali) the one who showoff.
instead of feeding poor just do gymnastic
instead of helping orphan he read chap 1 continously
instead of giving aid to needy they bow down .
instead of accepting the system(deen) of providing to family he accpet the system of inviting people to the mosque and hence giving a rightful duty of deen.

let say people substitute sala with any of those things like tasbee,dua,ibada,hamad,glorification,pray but for the ones who cant afford helping people.

for this requirement somone wise make a fatwa of doing sala by substituting any of the catagory purpose is to make poor happy and feel equal but rich people also like this kind of sala what was already somehow installed in the tradition of everybody how they perform rituals. so this ritual slowly slowly take a shape of most important TERM used by the author of quran. purpose is to save their money and efforts what they earn very hardly.

ask and observe how many people really doing duties of deen as per ch 107. ? u ll shock to know whenever i get a chance of doing anything as per 107 then i feel real peace on the contrary traditionla method of pray never give me happiness and peace what i feel when i see a smile on the face of orphan.may b rich people feel opposite as we know ?money?
is dear to them their SALA is to save the money as much as they can.

so thats y everybody have yo find out what sala is and if they are doing their sala either they are getting peace or not. different people feel peace by different ways. lets find our way how to find peace in

Sala/communion/commitment/duties/tasks/roles/rituals/charities/giving services etc

[hawk99]

Peace,

Maybe my statement was not clear for some people so I
will state it once more

Articles and videos are not my mode of travel, I prefer Quran. )

If someone has something to contribute put it on screen like I do. voodoo

@ Novice

I agree with your definition "to follow closely" so how do we follow closely?
It would be helpful if "you" would translate 4102

@ imrankhawaja

Do not use the evils of people to lead you away from what is good!
If shaytayn says he's muslim and commits vile acts will you abandon
the deen? hmm

Follow Quran yourself and do not worry about others and what they do.

Yes the salat has been corrupted, find out how, and remove the impediments.

[good_logic]

Peace Imran.
For me, I study Qoran for my own benefit. I have chosen to do it and I disregard what others do.
I respect others choices and decisions, if they are cheating or fooling around or pretending that is their loss. If I am misguided ,I will only blame myself. GOD is very much aware of what we do. We cannot fool GOD even if we think we can fool people.

I understand that Salat is a connection at certain times with my creator and only concerns me and my relationship with the Lord. I take the opportunity to spend few private minutes connecting with GOD and freeing my mind from the hassles of this difficult life.
Sometimes try as I can, I fall short of putting GOD in my mind 24/7. I need time to remember GOD and stay GOD conscious to try and save myself from my evil self.

It is between me and my creator . I concentrate on myself. It is a big task without getting involved or worry about others.

I am trying my best to really analyse and search Qoran, and until I am certain my understanding is wrong, I will have to be true to my own take on what I understand so far.
I also understand that others have to follow the path that they have come to understand from their own study of Qoran.

Tomorrow at GOD, each one of us are going to be asked" Have you not studied /pondered my message or what is it you were doing in your life"
GOD bless you.
Peace

[Novice]

My elders did not do Salat.
I came across Qoran and researched what is "Aquimi Salat". The sole claimant Of "Iquami Salat" is GOD
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GOD taught it to Abraham who in turn taught it to his generation....And so forth.
I do it because I believe GOD.

Salaam GL

Your elders were meant the generations since Abraham.
So do you agree that you learned your ritual prayer from the generations and not from Quran?

God bless you

[Novice]

I agree with your definition "to follow closely" so how do we follow closely?
It would be helpful if "you" would translate 4102

Salaam hawk99

I try to "follow closely" what God has revealed - Quran and not the generations after Abraham. You can choose your path as per your understanding of Quran

If you understand "aqimis salat" is not ritual prayer then brother 4102 is in context of war condition and salat has to be the following of the commands given in context of war.

[hawk99]

I try to "follow closely" what God has revealed - Quran and not the generations after Abraham. You can choose your path as per your understanding of Quran

You misunderstand, I said nothing about Abraham, however you are correct,
I do choose my path as per my understanding of Quran

Still no translation of ?

If you understand "aqimis salat" is not ritual prayer then brother 4102 is in context of
war condition and salat has to be the following of the commands given in context of war.

I did not give my understanding of "aqimis salat" that is your discussion with someone else.

[Novice]

Still no translation of ?

Salaam brother hawk99

4102

and when you are among them

then uphold you for them As-salah (the following - since war conditions so war strategy as well as God's guidance in such situations to follow)

then let a group from them stand with you (Note not behind you as in ritual prayer)

and let them take their weapons

when they all sajadoo (submit)

then let them be behind you

and let other group come

who did not sallu (attend the instruction which will be what they will be following)

then lat them sallu (attend the instruction)

and let them take their caution and their weapons

those who did kufar wish

had you been negligent of your weapons and your possessions

then they assault you in a single assault

and no blame on you if you had inconvenience from rain

Or you were sick

that you put your weapons down

but take precaution

Surely God has prepared for kafireen a humilating punishment.

[good_logic]

Peace Novice.
You have many issues that you are not making sense with
-Aquimi Salat. your follow closely is vague, not consistently understood as a specific task.

• 56. Why do you prepare to follow closely? It does not make sense.
• 4102. You are really struggling here. Read your explanation for brother hawk again. It makes no sense whatsoever. You are making it so difficult and weird.
        Read my explanation ,simple and makes a lot of sense.

-You have not come up with the inventor/originator of the Salat prayer with Evidence. I gave you a verse from Qoran that says GOD inspired/taught Abraham how to Aquimi Salat. GOD was the original teacher of Aquimi Salat.

-;You will have to ignore many Salat verses that will never make sense with your interpretation of Aquimi Salat, but they all make sense with "contact prayer. One example of many
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The angels called him when he was Quimun Yusalli (Doing his contact prayer) in the Mihrab(sanctuary) "God gives you good news of John; a believer in the word of God, honorable, moral, and a righteous prophet."

Do you just follow closely "Fi Mihrab"? What is Mihrab?
?.etc

You are assuming Aquimi Salat has been invented by other than GOD. I will look at your evidence if you can bring any.
Go on brother at least you will satisfy your own self . I feel you are not sure about a lot of verses and you are struggling to make sense of them.
Your choice and decision. Convince yourself, me and the readers with your take.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Novice]

Peace Novice.
You have many issues that you are not making sense with
-Aquimi Salat. your follow closely is vague, not consistently understood as a specific task.

• 56. Why do you prepare to follow closely? It does not make sense.
• 4102. You are really struggling here. Read your explanation for brother hawk again. It makes no sense whatsoever. You are making it so difficult and weird.
        Read my explanation ,simple and makes a lot of sense.

-You have not come up with the inventor/originator of the Salat prayer with Evidence. I gave you a verse from Qoran that says GOD inspired/taught Abraham how to Aquimi Salat. GOD was the original teacher of Aquimi Salat.

-;You will have to ignore many Salat verses that will never make sense with your interpretation of Aquimi Salat, but they all make sense with "contact prayer. One example of many
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The angels called him when he was Quimun Yusalli (Doing his contact prayer) in the Mihrab(sanctuary) "God gives you good news of John; a believer in the word of God, honorable, moral, and a righteous prophet."

Do you just follow closely "Fi Mihrab"? What is Mihrab?
?.etc

You are assuming Aquimi Salat has been invented by other than GOD. I will look at your evidence if you can bring any.
Go on brother at least you will satisfy your own self . I feel you are not sure about a lot of verses and you are struggling to make sense of them.
Your choice and decision. Convince yourself, me and the readers with your take.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salaam GL

You can write lengthy post but cannot reply my simple question as copied again for your consideration.

Salaam GL

Your elders were meant the generations since Abraham.
So do you agree that you learned your ritual prayer from the generations and not from Quran?

God bless you

Since you are not going to agree that you learned your ritual prayer from fellow human beings and not from Quran, I see no point in continuing repeating myself.

You can never produce a verse from Quran giving detail of your ritual prayer. So you cannot claim that you follow what God has revealed. You can continue with your ritual prayer by blindly following your ancestors.

God bless you.

[Wakas]

peace GL,

Thanks for clarifying. "shorten" is in 4101 not 4102, and I also agree with "prescribed time" in 4103 (I made an oversight on this point). Apologies on the latter.

[centi50]

Salam to All,

I don't see anything wrong when someone is physically prostating to Allah. Nor does is contradict the Quran.

This is my ten cent opinion

God bless you all

[good_logic]

Peace Wakas.
Thank you for your reply.

Peace Novice.

Would you agree that you have not produced anything with substance to demonstrate that Aquimi Salat is not a "contact prayer" from Qoran.
You say I have not/cannot provide a verse that gives you the details of how to observe the contact prayer.
There is no verse as such because it is already preserved . The consistency of the steps do not vary from generation to the next. generation.( Standing, bowing prostrating)

The corruption of salat like including other than GOD in it, not devoting it to GOD Alone, changing the numbers, adding/taking away...etc have been cleared up by Qoran.
Did Mohammed do "Iquami Salat" Why and how? Is there evidence he did? Was he instructed to "Aquimi Salat"?

There are other things that have not got step by step instructions in Qoran. You can see the different interpretations for them here and elsewhere. For example how do you do Zakat/ Sawum?...etc.

Qoran needs pondering for the details to be found like you would put together a jigsaw. GOD has chosen His words to be a trial for those that claim they want to follow them.
If everything came as clear as crystals in Qoran, and no effort was made to find the path, there would be no need for a trial and GOD and the Angels would be present here explaining them.

Well, keep looking for your details. I will keep digging and studying to find mine.

Read your posts again, there not a shred of evidence in them to make me think I better stop observing Salat. On the contrary, I see a lot of confusion with your explanation of certain verses .

Would you agree with me brother that I cannot follow your reasoning on what you provided so far?
I am afraid I pass this time. Sorry brother Novice, I will keep on observing my contact prayer dedicating it to GOD Alone until I see proper evidence to the contrary.
Thank you for the conversation and GOD bless you.
Peace.