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Every thing created pair

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    kaltun
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    Salam

    Maybe it can be of relevant if you read 5149

    God bless you

    Slm,

    Interesting , i didnt look at this way .....

    word shayin -->
    http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=$yA#(51493)

    everthing , is this also none living or only living or both ?

    first, i dont think Angels they are created , like it said before ( another thread) appointed from other other beings , i self think these being were jins because they were before insaan. and jins were also in both sexe....
    so if i think logical , both sexe must be available unless Allah removes the gender. now also this Allah dont tells us everthing , only thing what we need to know.

    thx for the reply

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      Jafar
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      how you explained the perfect pairs.

      now its time to see imperfect pairs.
      male and female ( lady boy and manly girl ) in fewer cases.

      Everything is perfect.. once you put away any 'judging' attitude and take things "as it is".
      It was not "opposite" but it's more of "complementary".

      Stop judging and start appreciating..

      That includes your example of "male - female and anything in between".
      There are male in female and female in male.. the portions varies in degree...
      And it's all normal and perfect.

      When everyone in the world sees beauty,
      Then ugly exists.
      When everyone sees good,
      Then bad exists.

      Therefore
      What is and what is not create each other.
      Difficult and easy complement each other.
      Tall and short shape each other.
      High and low rest on each other.
      Voice and tone blend with each other.
      First and last follow each other.

      So, the wise acts by doing nothing,
      Teaches without speaking,
      Attends all things without making claim on them,
      Works for them without making them dependent,
      Demands no honor for his deed.
      Because he demands no honor,
      He will never be dishonored.
      --- Tao The Ching, Chapter 2

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        Novice
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        Salaam centi50

        What is the verse talking about?

        (zawjain) is a masculine dual noun. It could be "two masculine entities" or "one masculine and one feminine entity". (zawj) could refer to a spouse, a pair, a type, a species, a kind etc. These pairs complement each other.

        My understanding about 5149 is similar to what brother jafar has written.

        https//www.advantour.com/img/china/taoism/taoism.jpg
        Death <-> Life
        Falsehood <-> Truth
        Destruction <-> Creation
        Anti Matter <-> Matter
        Evil <-> Good
        Arrogance <-> Humility

        Without the opposites we cannot tell the difference.

        So these pairs, types, kinds etc compliment each other.

        Another question. What about the angels? There are no female angels

        As-Saffat 37150

        Or did We create the angels as females while they were witnesses?"

        Quran has used (malik) and (al-malaikatu). These words are masculine nouns. They means controllers.

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          centi50
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          Salaam centi50

          (zawjain) is a masculine dual noun. It could be "two masculine entities" or "one masculine and one feminine entity". (zawj) could refer to a spouse, a pair, a type, a species, a kind etc. These pairs complement each other.

          My understanding about 5149 is similar to what brother jafar has written.

          So these pairs, types, kinds etc compliment each other.

          Quran has used (malik) and (al-malaikatu). These words are masculine nouns. They means controllers.

          Salam brother Novice and all,

          So verse 5149 can go like this maybe

          And in everything have We created oppos?ites, perhaps you may remember.

          Does everything means aslo inanimate things? If not why?

          Inregards to maikaikatu /controllers /angels or whatever people refers to them, are you implying they are males only? Or I didn't understand u maybe

          God bless you all

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            Novice
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            So verse 5149 can go like this maybe

            And in everything have We created oppos?ites, perhaps you may remember.

            Does everything means aslo inanimate things? If not why?

            We know very little about the creation. We have learned about gravity and anti-gravity, matter and anti-matter etc. so inanimate things are included.

            Inregards to maikaikatu /controllers /angels or whatever people refers to them, are you implying they are males only? Or I didn't understand u maybe

            We have not detailed information about "malaikas" so cannot say what their construction is. The noun "malaika" is masculine but does not mean they are males, as we understand a male.

            Like for God Quran uses "huwa" which means He (not a gender specific) because in Arabic "huwa" is used for anything unless address is to feminine entities only.

            God bless you.

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              jkhan
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              Hi everyone...
              I am afraid that again this topic also drag to malak and jinn.... Anyway there is link...
              In response to female malaika....Has God stated in Quran female Jinns dear centi??? If your understanding is that iblees was malak and he became Jinn then, we got to deduce females are created in Jinn... Exploring QURAN and direct verses are different things.. If things are direct no need of exploration... 726 """ Males of human sought refuge in Males of Jinn....so there is rijal In Jinn... If all Jinns are rijjal then no need to specify here.. Further Jinn has sexual life with opposite gender... Quran proves...
              We are aware malaika are Jinns by creature... But the malaika are males or females.. That's a concern for Centi ... In fact Malika are chosen ones for certain tasks as of human prophets for example... Are these chosen ones malaika include females.. Doubtful.. But conjecture cannot be truth... Not a single reference even malaika who came to earth as messengers referred as males.. At least to the one who visited the one and only female whose name is printed in the entire quran.. But for her also God sent male unfortunately.. God chose with intent....

              Malika are chosen group among Jinns...even among those malaika the malaika messengers are chosen... Allah never created Malika but jinn... It is only the people say that...people's conjecture always malaika are another creature.... That's why what people say that Allah chosen females... Allah used the word khalaq in front of malaika in 37150 with reason not coz Allah created(khalaq) malaika.. Coz that's what people used to say and that same thing was ordered to Mohamed to ask from them... In the end God says they are liars and they 5327-28 these liars and those who took the conjecture over the truth labelled malika as females for which Allah refuse... Allah didn't give the status of Malika to female Jinns... When these liars were claiming and calling Malika by female names, allah won't simply reject totally if at least one female Malika were among them... It's all their conjecture.. No females in malaaika
              Every creature has two genders as per QURAN... Male and female... Malika is not a creature or gender but a status as of Human Messenger but only given to males among those creatures.. Allah's choice is unchangeable.... For whatever the reason Allah chose (Asthafa) males for his entrusted tasks and duties..
              That's my conviction based on QURAN..
              Pls explore whip tail lizard or any other in flora and fauna ... Let the topic go forward in that... Let's go ahead with what is physically verifiable rather than invisible ones...

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                centi50
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                We know very little about the creation. We have learned about gravity and anti-gravity, matter and anti-matter etc. so inanimate things are included.

                We have not detailed information about "malaikas" so cannot say what their construction is. The noun "malaika" is masculine but does not mean they are males, as we understand a male.

                Like for God Quran uses "huwa" which means He (not a gender specific) because in Arabic "huwa" is used for anything unless address is to feminine entities only.

                God bless you.

                Salam brother Novice and all,

                You said inanimate is included. Now what is the opposite of "rock"

                God bless you all

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                  centi50
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                  Salam to All,

                  Brother Imran asked a very good question. How did this Whiptail came into existence.

                  I found out its a result of hybridization of a sexual species of the lizard. The female hybrids start to produce clones distinct from either parental species. In other words, they instantly become a new species of their own.

                  https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail

                  God bless you all

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                    ibn_a
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                    Salaam,

                    Salam to all

                    From everything We created a pair, perhaps you may remember. (5149)

                    Some species of these small southwestern lizards (Whiptail Lizard) are all-female.
                    producing offspring all on their own, without needing a complementary male set of chromosomes.

                    And this
                    https//royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsbl.2007.0189

                    Help me understand the verse in light of the above phenomenon

                    God bless you all

                    Peace centi50,

                    Possible explanation

                    Clarification

                    The ayah didn't say "Everything", rather it said "from/of everything ". It's an arabic expression used to mean "many/ a lot of".

                    Let's examine other ayahs first

                    1- God says in surat Annaml 2723

                    Sahih International
                    Indeed, I found a woman ruling them, and she has been given of all things, and she has a great throne.

                    In the same surah ayah 16

                    Sahih International
                    And Solomon inherited David. He said, "O people, we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given from all things. Indeed, this is evident bounty."

                    We don't need to say that Sulayman- Peace be upon him- and the woman didn't have "every thing" but they were given "from" every thing as the woman's kingdom wasn't given to Sulayman and vise versa. It refers to those things only which are needed by the government or an empire. Otherwise it is obvious that they did not have cars or railways in those days. It means that whatever services are needed to a king or an aristocrat according to their time, they all were available to her. It is, however, obvious that those things that were not available to them, their unavailability is not in conflict with this verse.

                    ....

                    http//comparativreligion.blogspot.com/2013/01/re-quran-5149-error-everything-created.html

                    Allah knows best

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                      The_Sardar
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                      Salam to All,

                      Brother Imran asked a very good question. How did this Whiptail came into existence.

                      I found out its a result of hybridization of a sexual species of the lizard. The female hybrids start to produce clones distinct from either parental species. In other words, they instantly become a new species of their own.

                      https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail

                      God bless you all

                      I found this interesting from reddit

                      (https//www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2afht1/til_the_whiptail_lizard_is_an_all_female_species/)

                      A screenshot from the link

                      https//imgur.com/yFuAKQp

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                        centi50
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                        Salaam,

                        Peace centi50,

                        Possible explanation

                        Allah knows best

                        Salam Ibn_a

                        Thanks for that explanation, so what Allah is saying is in many of things he created pairs

                        Did I get you write

                        God bless you

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                          ibn_a
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                          Salam Ibn_a

                          Thanks for that explanation, so what Allah is saying is in many of things he created pairs

                          Did I get you write

                          God bless you

                          Salaam / Peace centi50,

                          I think that it is the most logical explanation.

                          Allah knows best

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