Pork is HALAL
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Sorry I forgot to mention one thing in my last post? If Mahdi is right and pork is lawful and then rest of the believers who say Pork is prohibited EILL definitely go to hell.. 6116 coz they invented, they fabricated lies and God guaranteed that they don't succeed..... So Paradise is only for those who say pork is halal....
Indeed...those who say FRESH MEAT IS HALAL.
On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)
The FOOD (PORK) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in pork as halal), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)
Say ´Produce your hadither / jurists / witnesses to testify that Allah made this (pork) haram.´ If they do testify, DO NOT I'TIQAD WITH THEM and DO NOT FOLLOW the whims and desires of people who deny Our SIGNS, and who do not have iman in the Next World and MAKE OTHERS EQUAL TO THEIR LORD (SHIRK). (6150)
As for those who deny Our Signs and are arrogant regarding them, the Gates of Heaven will not be opened for them, and they will not enter the Garden until a camel goes through a needle´s eye. That is how We repay the evildoers/INSANE. (740)
My simplest argument is the first man on Earth knows well that he can eat fresh meat / pork, and not maggoty and stinking meat... even animal know this. that is Common Sense, and it is "Ordinary Claims" (the Muhkamat).
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#burden_of_proof_on_the_extraordinary_claims
ELSE, invent lies against Allah.
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again, broken language which comes out weird
incorrect missing الYes ...
Why not ال + لحم the flesh الخنزير the swine?
والخىل and the horses المسومه the branded
| الميتة - the dead animals| والدم - and the blood| ولحم - and flesh| الخنزير - the swine| وما - and what|
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I see the same thing if not login into the forum.. .
but this is what I wrote..
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See Mahdi brother....
Again you didn't answer my question number 261..... Are strawnan as you keep saying.... If not answer pls.... Your claim is mighty.... So if you are a believer answer the people's questions since you are convinced and you brought this topic for the sake of argument...
Right....
Read my questions in reply No 261 and respond according to Quran... Take your time....
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Dead animal IS NOT MAGGOTY AND STINKING MEAT / FRUITS / ETC...
It is "NOT ABOUT FLESH"
God already prohibited dead animal.... Which one is worse? Dead or decayed? Even God prohibits certain other types the one eaten by animals or strangled, etc.. Etc.. Are those looking worse than rotten meat...?
What about maggoty and stinking fruits? Is it halal?
Is maggoty and stinking meat etc halal?
Can we sell it?
You can give decayed animal flesh to the immigrants who live in your cities, and they can eat it; or you can sell it to foreigners. ~ Deuteronomy 1421
Say "People of the Book ! you have nothing to stand on until you implement the Torah and the Gospel and what has been sent down to you from your Lord." (Quran 56
If not, what verse?
Where does Allah say maggoty and stinking meat / fruits haram?
Can we follow Deuteronomy 1421 since nothing in the Quran said it is Haram?
My simplest argument is the first man on Earth knows well that he can eat fresh meat / pork, and not maggoty and stinking meat... even animal know this. that is Common Sense, and it is "Ordinary Claims" (the Muhkamat).
Why would it be evil for believing the "Ordinary Value of Life"? rotfl
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What does it mean to believe in the Quran?
and what is the interpretation methodology approved by ALLAH in the Quran?
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Who is the STRAWMAN?
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Dead animal IS NOT MAGGOTY AND STINKING MEAT / FRUITS / ETC...
It is "NOT ABOUT FLESH"
What about maggoty and stinking fruits? Is it halal?
Can we follow Deuteronomy 1421 since nothing in the Quran said it is Haram?
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What does it mean to believe in the Quran?
and what is the interpretation methodology approved by ALLAH in the Quran?
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Who is the STRAWMAN?
Thank you..... So... You answered.... .... So... No living animal is prohibited in Quran for consumption .... Only decayed flesh of fruits are RIJSZ. Let people decide who you are if they are good enough.... Take care... Let's meet in the day of ressurection...... But still pray for you... Coz you don't look like others who are mocking in this forum... God bless you with what is right... I doubt Mahdi jannah will be so big for you and very minute believers of they say pork is halal. I can't find one in any sect... Is the site factszz.wordpress yours....
I won't answer in this thread anymore.... But I will in sha Allah reply in your other thread.... I have nothing to say according to Quran more than this for pork... FYI I will remain with the conviction that pork is prohibited till my death. Coz that's what I find in Quran.... Pray for me dude...i will for you.... handshake -
No worry at all. .
On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030) Those who have iman/fact/common sense and do natural actions, how few they are (like less than 50 out of ~ 8 billion peoples)! (3824)
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hopeless and I'll take the chance, at least I have my Allah proven as facts, and not some Santa Claus-like God in the sky .. who make fresh meat haram. "WHICH OF YOU IS MAD? 686" rotfl
They have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth/iman (ie. no iman = Hell, guaranteed). (532
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Slm Jkhan,
i am still at discovering / investigate fase ....
some of you dont agree with using the mind / intellect ... aka AQL to understand the Quran ....
little own experience that i had few years ago...
I bought fresh 3 kg chicken wings , i was shopping that thay while the weather was warm.. i put the wings in the car trunk (in the back of the car), i was 1 hour gone after 1 hour i went home ... put the wings in the refrigerator , and in the evening i prepared the wings ... while i was preparing , it stonk but it looked good .... i was in doubt, cause i bought it fresh and yet it smells .. so prepared and coocked anyway , the smell was gone and we ate it .... day after we we had trouble with our stomuch luckey not that much.... ( this i will never forget because of the smell of the chicken)
so some upsumming
- fresh meat --> halal
- but it stonk --> halal ??
- but it shown normal --->halal ??
- chicken meat is very weak---> still halal
now if i check the verses like MI does ....
===> and the meat / flesh
===> contaminated / magotty / rotten
===> seen / considerharam is the meat/flesh when you see that is contaminated / magotty / rotten ?
consider the contaminated / magotty / rotten meat/flesh as haram ?halal food can be rotten / contaminated is it still halal ???
like fish, all products from the sea is halal, but what happens to the fish when its not handled properly ?? heck in the past there were no refrigerator orso , not even fast vehicle .... how came the fish to them ?? the nearest sea is djedda and it 90 KM further .... how long does it toke to travell from djedda to mecca ??
so
what MI means no where in the Quran it says contaminated / rotten is haram .... so we can eat it .....
@Jkhan whats is wrong with energy ??
what is energy??? the energy what we think its energy is it still the same energy ??
Is Allah human-like, as He has eyes (Quran 2039, 3967), face (Quran 5527), hands (Quran 3967), and legs (Quran 68.42)
which is more likely ??? do you think Allah is like human, that we created to his image ?? no... only we know is what Quran tells us, like in Quran al-Ikhlas 112
why can not a mountain resist the presence of Allah? (Quran 7143 ) ?? its making sense if Allah is some kind of Energy... but the huge mistake we are making is , we think that we know what energy is ..... the biggest pitfall of our mind is we think we know much , but infact we dont know much, only what we are thought ... we will gain more knowledge if we are on the other side
Now let me ask Mahdi and Kaltun..... Do you take for all your guidance the Quran which is normally in everyone's hand or the oldest so called copies recently discovered from certain places miraculously? You should stick to one source.... Okay.. It's up to you...
Now the question is... If the current Day quran is wrong and some old Day manuscripts are right which was far from reach for 1400 years.... Then has God preserved His book to reach to people..? Isn't that shame on God we respect all these years... So for ages people of books jews and Christian (believers) knew that pork is prohibited in their books so does QURAN... Now suddenly God allowed pork and still in entire Muslim society that was not addressed at all.. Though all other critical topics were addressed and had difference of opinions from the main stream by at least a minor group... Strangly all sects in one decision saying pork haram... This pork issue always everyone was in ONE concerted opinion...
So you, Mr. Mahdi directly claim for the misguidance, the Root cause is Energy = Allah?
I know you won't answer logical questions... Simply paste some fancy pictures...If the current Day quran is wrong ?? who said its wrong .... is it not possible the copy went wrong ?? most of the Quran we held in our hands Originates of the year 1924 of cairo ...
Isn't that shame on God we respect all these years its up to you how you think , but i would not belittle Allahs way ... again we dont know much
but again JKhan if you say the earth is flat according to Quran and 90% is agains your opinion , who is right ???
if you say Salah is not namaz according to you , but 90% says its namaz who is right ???
in quran 434 tells it aloud to hit your woman and 90% beleaves this is written in the Quran are they right ??according to me the Quran is wrong translated, so the cup what i filled in all my years trew it empty and began refilling it again... again all options are open for me....
again what i say above is not the truth for me , i am openminded , so for me all options are open but i only except when its logical/wel explained/its provable... i urge everyone to read and own research, cause we can read and think ...otherwise you would not be here
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Kaltun you dragged me with your long post.... Let me answer for a final time...
I appreciate your interest in this thread... But strongly advice you not to hurry to lean to Mahdi nor anyone... I am sure you are aware of it... He could be 3751 for you....
I was discussing with my cousin in Adelaide today about Pork out of curiosity and I asked him to read this thread.... He read told me... It is prohibited... Argument is much strong for prohibition... I asked why.... Coz it is natural instinct when I was reading.. I asked is it coz you are brought up against pork... He said no.... And further bla bla... But he said a very strong point... No one argued saying whatever is mentioned in entire quran is all about animals... Whatever prohibitions... God never took a single word of prohibitions of fruits or vegetables... All concerned with animals... I thought of it... Yes... And said Yes again.... It is Yes... Dead animal... Yes.. Animal.. Blood.. Yes.. From animal... Whatever sacrificed (uhilla) to other than God... Yes.. Animal... And the most talking point laham khinzeer (only this vegetable and fruits and meat decayed)... Cannot be.... That is far from truth as per QURAN...
Further other additional prohibitions... 53
and killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you slaughter , and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Out of the basic four and in the above verse 53 can we see anything other than which is involved animals....
No way.... Dear brother Kaltun... I can understand the believers.. I undertood the first day I saw your messages... I still believe you are coz you are learning... But if you have decided that pork is halal... I can't help.. God help u with right choice..... That's my heartfelt wish..
If you felt the evidences I brought is weak and what Mahdi brought is strong... Then it is your option... No compulsion in Deen..... Take what you feel right....
All fellow believers... God has only touched the animals in the subject of prohibitions... Non other... Pls research using your wisdom.... Even in torah and Injeeel
Kaltun other topics.. Let's discuss in other threads..... Let's keep this topic for pork....
I don't have anything more to say.....
God guides whom He wills and God misguides whom He wills.... Who am I to intervene....
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I'm afraid that's not even close to counterargument.. it is fallacious argument (irrelevant) and dogmatic belief .. please improve...
Say, "This is my 'Islam'. 'Islam' is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me, call you towards Allah / LordLaw of The Universe / LordLaw of Cause & Effect / LordLaw of Logic. He is the most High! I would never commit the sin of shirk ( = guesswork = dogmatic belief) . (1210
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Slm jkhan ,
thx for the reply ....
do i beleave pork is haram ==> dont know anymore
am i gonna eat pork ==> no ..... i do still think its bad meat .....
I appreciate your interest in this thread.
everything about the Quran is interesting to me, so if someone tries to explain , ill be on the first row... especially when it contradicts what i knew
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Yes ...
Why not? the flesh the swine?
two distinct consecutive definite nouns?
what you wrote doesn't mean "swine flesh"e.g. below doesn't mean "human magic"
2102 the humankind the magicnow if i check the verses like MI does ....
===> and the meat / flesh
===> contaminated / magotty / rotten
===> seen / considerdid you bother to read/understand my prior post?
no "the" flesh in word broken language/gibberish
likewise, no such word non-existent/gibberish
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two distinct consecutive definite nouns?
what you wrote doesn't mean "swine flesh"e.g. below doesn't mean "human magic"
2102 الناس the humankind السحر the magicthat's my point...
and I don't make the argument it mean "swine flesh", that's your argument.
my argument it "doesn't mean" swine flesh
Quote from Noon waalqalami on Yesterday at 051921 PM
again, broken language which comes out weird
incorrect missing الYes ...
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likewise, no such word يرِ non-existent/gibberish
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that's my point...
and I don't make the argument it mean "swine flesh", that's your argument.
you have no point completely missed simple lesson keep suggesting broken language/gibberish.
nonexistent gibberish missing "the" -- "and flesh" (definite noun) the stinky (definite adjective)
again, post single example using any source ever written to support your gibberish argument?
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Does this make sense to you?
والخىل and the horses المسومه the branded
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and then...
ال + لحم the flesh الخنز the maggoty
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Does this make sense to you?
yes perfectly what part of "the" is not clear? and the horses
likewise, what part of no "the" is not clear? and flesh -
What about "the flesh" + "the maggoty"?
والخىل and the horses المسومه the branded
ال + لحم the flesh الخنز the maggoty
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What about "the flesh" + "the maggoty"?
yes that works (definite noun definite adjective)
no "the" flesh and therefore cannot be adjective!53 walahmu/and flesh (noun) l-khinziri/the swine (noun)