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إِنَّ ٱلَّذِینَ كَفَرُوا۟ What have they disavowed?

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    good_logic
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    Brother Mahdi.

    Having had numerous conversations with you and judging by that, I will translate 26 as follows

    "It makes no difference to people like yourself whether you warn them or leave them(and I did warn you many times brother like on Allah=energy, pork is halal,...etc?!!!),they will carry on with their false arguments regardless."

    That is how I see it in most of your threads. .
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      Mazhar
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      Brother Mahdi.

      Having had numerous conversations with you and judging by that, I will translate 26 as follows

      "It makes no difference to people like yourself whether you warn them or leave them(and I did warn you many times brother like on Allah=energy, pork is halal,...etc?!!!),they will carry on with their false arguments regardless."

      That is how I see it in most of your threads. .
      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

      Brother good logic,

      The speaker in your rendition is Mahdi; and addressee is you and me; have I correctly understood.

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        Brother Mahdi.

        Having had numerous conversations with you and judging by that, I will translate 26 as follows

        "It makes no difference to people like yourself whether you warn them or leave them(and I did warn you many times brother like on Allah=energy, pork is halal,...etc?!!!),they will carry on with their false arguments regardless."

        That is how I see it in most of your threads. .
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

        You claimed Natural Order / Law of Nature / Sunnatullah is insane... how reliable or deluded is your argument / logic?

        Which of you is mad? (686)

        • delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

        • Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          I have already given detailed analysis of each word. You know Arabic better than me. Try rendering it in English.

          You know well that they do not speak. (2165)

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            good_logic
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            Yes I did address brother Mahdi. Like many other brothers and sisters here, I felt it was a waste of time and effort pointing to him contradictions. He has his own arguments as final say regardless what others say to him.

            I do not mind if he at least look/reflects on, a contradiction or a false translation of certain words that are put to him with clear Qoran verses and grammar like in many of his threads. But he ignores facts and good arguments from others continuously.

            All I can say is that it is his own way with the highway.

            The risk of him not to be taken seriously is growing.

            His choice brother Mazhar..
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              "You can't fix crazy, and crazy can't fix themselves."

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                Mazhar
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                Back to the question of thread, would someone try to answer?

                What have they disavowed?

                The pseudo-scholar George Sale translated these three words "As for the unbelievers,". Thereafter, many plagiarized.

                Verb-Like Particle This is one of the six Particles called since, in some features, they resemble with verbs. They are sentential modifiers. What was earlier known as subject in a nominal sentence, because of its presence at the outset, that will now be called " -Noun of ", which is rendered in accusative case; and the predicate will be called which will be in nominative case/state.

                1. It is used in front of a nominal sentence only.
                2. It changes the grammatical case of the subject from nominative to accusative.
                3. This Particle has a truth-intensifying function when used at a beginning of statement. It emphasizes that what follows is true.
                1. It helps "neutralize" the emphatic effect of bringing subject in front of a verb in the nominal sentence and thus confers a normal tone on the sentence.

                Relative Pronoun; Plural; masculine. It is the subject noun of preceding Verb-Like Particle.

                This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is . Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

                The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                Clue
                this verb is made transitive by using preposition

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                  good_logic
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                  Thank you for acknowledging my points brother Mahdi. by your admission here, quote

                  You can't fix crazy, and crazy can't fix themselves."

                  I will not try again if you wish to stay "unfixed"
                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace.

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                    imrankhawaja
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                    cricket matches are getting FIXED by gambling.
                    threads are getting fixed by brother mahdi although he himself getting fixed from someone else he named it energy lol.

                    elders said dnt fix something if its not broken.
                    make sure when u fixed it u still see the signs of fixing.

                    brother mahdi here u go free on house for fixing hard nuts. elektro

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      That's how they see Nature and Natural Order, the Sunnatullah ... truly deluded..

                      You claimed Natural Order / Law of Nature / Sunnatullah is insane... how reliable or deluded is your argument / logic?

                      Which of you is mad? (686)

                      • delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                      • Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

                      I will not try again if you wish to stay "unfixed"

                      threads are getting fixed by brother mahdi although he himself getting fixed from someone else he named it energy lol.

                      Can you save those who are already in Hell? (3919)

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                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                        Back to the question of thread, would someone try to answer?

                        what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                        Sunnatullah ALONE!

                        (Sunnatullah Alone Muslim, ie. Hanif... Pure Natural Believer)

                        • Ibrahim was a community in himself, exemplary, obedient to Allah , a Hanif / man of pure natural belief / Sunnatullah Alone Muslim . He was not one of the idolaters/unnaturalist (idols of the Unnature or Forced Justice). He was thankful for His blessings. Allah chose him and guided him to a straight path. We gave him good in this world and in the Next World he will be one of the righteous. Then We revealed to you "Follow the ideology of Ibrahim a man of pure natural belief . He was not one of the idolaters/unnaturalist (idols of the Unnature or Forced Justice)." (16120-123)

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                        LordLaw (Energy) of NATURE

                        Allah (is) the LordLaw (Energy) of the Universe. (12)

                        (Energy make certain the LordLaw of Cause & Effect)

                        Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

                        Proof?

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                          good_logic
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                          Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

                          Proof?
                          Brother Mahdi,
                          The above, your quote, is like putting the cart before the horse. This is your upside down logic at work again. This is nonsense terminology. This is absurd and ridiculous . Now take notice of this

                          My GOD created your(and everything else's) law of nature (your god). It is your god that cannot -will not- disobey my GOD- Not the other way around-...."Wa Lillahi YSJUDU everything on earth and heaven including the law of nature".... They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

                          You keep coming up with illogical phrases and shouting out one false argument after another using your upside down logic..
                          It reminds me of the heavy stone that GOD cannot lift?!!!!....Warped logic and nonsense!
                          This is how you should rephrase it

                          Can your law of nature disobey my GOD? It makes perfect sense now!!!!!
                          GOD bless you.
                          Peace.

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                            Mazhar
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                            Viruses are attacking the thread. Recovered.

                            What have they disavowed?

                            The pseudo-scholar George Sale translated these three words "As for the unbelievers,". Thereafter, many plagiarized.

                            Verb-Like Particle This is one of the six Particles called since, in some features, they resemble with verbs. They are sentential modifiers. What was earlier known as subject in a nominal sentence, because of its presence at the outset, that will now be called " -Noun of ", which is rendered in accusative case; and the predicate will be called which will be in nominative case/state.

                            1. It is used in front of a nominal sentence only.
                            2. It changes the grammatical case of the subject from nominative to accusative.
                            3. This Particle has a truth-intensifying function when used at a beginning of statement. It emphasizes that what follows is true.
                            1. It helps "neutralize" the emphatic effect of bringing subject in front of a verb in the nominal sentence and thus confers a normal tone on the sentence.

                            Relative Pronoun; Plural; masculine. It is the subject noun of preceding Verb-Like Particle.

                            This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is . Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

                            The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                            Clue
                            this verb is made transitive by using preposition

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

                              Proof?
                              Brother Mahdi,
                              The above, your quote, is like putting the cart before the horse. This is your upside down logic at work again. This is nonsense terminology. This is absurd and ridiculous . Now take notice of this

                              My GOD created your(and everything else's) law of nature (your god). It is your god that cannot -will not- disobey my GOD- Not the other way around-...."Wa Lillahi YSJUDU everything on earth and heaven including the law of nature".... They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

                              You keep coming up with illogical phrases and shouting out one false argument after another using your upside down logic..
                              It reminds me of the heavy stone that GOD cannot lift?!!!!....Warped logic and nonsense!
                              This is how you should rephrase it

                              Can your law of nature disobey my GOD? It makes perfect sense now!!!!!
                              GOD bless you.
                              Peace.

                              Of course, all the times! NO EXCEPTION! .. are you blind? rotfl

                              The likeness of those who are kafir is that of someone who yells out to something which cannot hear — it is nothing but a cry and a call. They are deaf, dumb and blind, and they fail to understand. (2171)

                              and now it is clear there are only two points

                              • My God The Natural -> LordLaw of Cause and Effect // Mathematical // Eco+Logical // Energy
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                              • Your God The Unnatural -> LordLaw of Cause and Effect // Mathematical // Eco+Logical // Energy
                              https//pbs.twimg.com/media/C00rxOmUQAA9prK.jpg
                              Who do you Worship? Allah or Shaytan?

                              Say, "This is my way/Islam. It/Islam is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me (REAL MUSLIMS), call you towards Allah ("with proofs and evidences" ONLY! Traits of "REAL MUSLIM&quot. He is the most High/CONSISTENT! I would never commit the sin of SHirK (ie. Shirk = "without proofs and evidences!", guesswork, inconsistencies... muSHirK )". (1210

                              They follow nothing but guesswork and preach nothing but lie. (6116)

                              They allot to Allah what they themselves dislike and their tongues frame the lie that they will receive the Best. There is no doubt at all that they will receive the Fire and that they are people who go to excess. (1662)

                              Do you agree with this?


                              now we wait for the "hypocritical arguments" ... laugh

                              The hypocrites are in the lowest level of the Fire. (4145)

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                كَفَرُوا۟ This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is ك ف ر. Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

                                The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                                Natural Order.. and yes, it's that stupid.. ie. the Kafirun.

                                Denying the truth (nature) doesn't change the facts (nature)

                                That (is) the ordain no doubt in it, a Guidance for the Light/2435-conscious. (21)
                                Indeed, those who disbelieve, (it) is same to them whether you warn them or not you warn them, not they believe. (26)

                                • You cannot change the Law of Nature, The Sunnatullah (You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543) ... EVEN YOUR ALLAH CANNOT DO THAT!)

                                "It is a promise binding on Us / Allah (21103)"

                                They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

                                Wrong, and guesswork!
                                .

                                • You cannot fix insanity (ie. Kafirun.. those who against the Law of Nature / Sunnatullah .... "whether you warn them or not you warn them, not they believe" in Sunnatullah ALONE, in Natural Order ALONE)

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  What is the Law of Nature?

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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    What is the Law of Nature?

                                    The orderliness of nature, the law of science... the principles that describe or predict a range of natural or ecological phenomena.

                                    Arrogance on (the Law of the) Earth/Nature, and evil/unnatural scheming. And the evil/unnatural schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past!?

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                                    You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543)

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                                      The orderliness of nature, the law of science... the principles that describe or predict a range of natural or ecological phenomena.

                                      Arrogance on (the Law of the) Earth/Nature, and evil/unnatural scheming. And the evil/unnatural schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past!?

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                                      You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543)

                                      What is science? What is the law of science? How do you know something is law of science?

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                                        What is science? What is the law of science? How do you know something is law of science?

                                        Say, "This is my way/Islam. It/Islam is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me (REAL MUSLIMS), call you towards Allah ("with proofs and evidences" ONLY! Traits of "REAL MUSLIM&quot. He is the most High/CONSISTENT! I would never commit the sin of SHirK (ie. Shirk = "without proofs and evidences!", guesswork, inconsistencies... muSHirK )". (1210

                                        That is the Law of Science ...

                                        and

                                        What is? ...is the Law of Nature

                                        How do you know? ...is Natural Law, ie. the theology and observations..

                                        Law of Nature is not Natural Law, two different things

                                        and these conditions are clearly stated in verse 1117,

                                        ie. what does it mean to believe in the Quran?

                                        But as for those who have clear evidence from their Lord followed up by a witness from Him — and before it the ordain of Musa came as a model and a mercy — such people have iman in it (the Quran). Any faction which rejects it (these three conditions) is promised the Fire. Be in no doubt about it. It is the Truth from your Lord. But many people have no iman. (1117)

                                        The Theology

                                        • Law of Nature (Sunnatullah, 3543 - MATH)

                                        • Natural Person (Revelation, 6940 - E)

                                        • Natural Law (Syariatullah, The Jihad for Natural Society, 6156-158 - ISM)
                                        (Tawba is to align our nature/syariatullah with NATURE/SUNNATULLAH)

                                        Salat means preserving and restoring natural justice or natural order. The natural order (sunnatullah) is the moral source from which human law should seek to derive its authority. It encompasses the natural relations of beings to one another in the absence of human law (forced justice / political jurisprudence), and which 'salat, zakat and sujud' attempts to reinforce.

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                                        How does your belief fit in the above verses?

                                        None... then why call yourself as Muslim? Funny... laugh

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                                          6835 Should We treat the ones who surrendered (and make peace with NATURE/ECOLOGY) the same as those who are criminals!?

                                          6836 What is wrong with you, how do you judge!?

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                                          6837 Or do you have another book (of FORCED JUSTICE) which you study?

                                          6838 In it, you can find what you wish (unnaturally)?

                                          6839 Or do you have an oath from Us (Natural Order / Natural Justice), extending until the Day of Resurrection, that you can judge as you please?

                                          6840 Ask them "Who of them will make such a claim"?

                                          6841 Or do they have partners Then let them bring their partners (in Natural Order), if they are truthful.

                                          6842 The Day will come when they will be exposed, and they will be required to prostrate, but they will be unable to.

                                          6843 With their eyes subdued, humiliation will cover them. They were invited to prostrate (to Sunnatullah) when they were whole and able.

                                          6844 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this narration; We will entice them from where they do not perceive.

                                          6845 And I will lead them on; for My scheming is formidable.

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