Did Abraham really dream of slaughtering his son? [37:103]
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- Father is repetitively watching a dream doing same act that suggests he is going to sacrifice his son.
- He did not execute his dream. Were he willing to do it, he could have done it on first watch even without bringing into the notice of his son.
- Repetitive dream of same act forces him to take it seriously since the fundamentals of interpretation of dreams suggested it to be not of unconscious and passive nature.
- He places it before his son to know his perception.
- The son interprets it as Command of Allah the Exalted and expresses it in such manner indicating that the Father also had arrived to same conclusion.
- After this consensus, at that point in time, when they both had at their own willingly agreed-accepted it as command of Allah the Exalted. Particle Fa is a conjunction indicating cause and effect. Verb is Perfect; Third person; dual; masculine; , Subject pronoun, in nominative state; Verbal Noun. For correctly perceiving text about episodes in any language, care needs to be taken for time and space indicated therein.
- It is important to note that the son did not himself lie down but father laid him down in the manner as vertebrates are sacrificed.
- That was the point in time that he hears an emergency call aimed at immediately stopping him from further action.
- Allah the Exalted tells him that he has affirmed, proven it to be exactly what he had seen in dream.
The intention of command through repetitive dreams is also indicated that it was just a manifest trial; and trial as we know is for purposes of exposure of one's sincerity, and for objects to determine their purity percentage. Actual Slaughter of son was not intended as disclosed by Allah the Exalted.
And Our Majesty compensated him by sacrifice of a male mammal, characteristically great in bone not juvenile but adult?
I do not think that an animal meant for sacrifice has any thing do with what we perceive by the word great. Its primary signification is a state when someone has become great in bone .
It is a long tradition that only adult male mammals are sacrificed as was done by Ibrahim alaihissalm. It also helps balance the population of mammals since extra males are but a problem and nuisance for female population.
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You quote me Bro the traditionnal view that i know by heart.
Please try to re-read this quranic passage with the eyes and the heart of a new born...and look at carefully the signs from allah in the quran.
At least make attention of these 3 words (from corpus.quran.com) => It indicates something is ACHIEVED.
(371052)
addaqta
you have fulfilled(371022)
balagha
he reached(371023)
maahu
with himl-saya
the (age of) working/make efforts with him=> Noun
(226034) sayan
(in) haste(17196) sayah
the effort(171911) sayuhum
their effort(181043) sayuhum
their effort(21949) lisayihi
his effort(371024) l-saya
the (age of) working with him(53402) sayahu
his striving(76227) sayukum
your effort(8891) lisayih
With their effort(9242) sayakum
your efforts(371057)
l-mu'sinna
the good-doers.Peace
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You quote me Bro the traditionnal view that i know by heart.
Please try to re-read this quranic passage with the eyes and the heart of a new born...and look at carefully the signs from allah in the quran.
At least make attention of these 3 words (from corpus.quran.com) => It indicates something is ACHIEVED.
(371052)
addaqta
you have fulfilled(371022)
balagha
he reached(371023)
maahu
with himl-saya
the (age of) working/make efforts with him=> Noun
(226034) sayan
(in) haste(17196) sayah
the effort(171911) sayuhum
their effort(181043) sayuhum
their effort(21949) lisayihi
his effort(371024) l-saya
the (age of) working with him(53402) sayahu
his striving(76227) sayukum
your effort(8891) lisayih
With their effort(9242) sayakum
your efforts(371057)
l-mu'sinna
the good-doers.Peace
I loudly discard all traditional and so called modernist translations. I study the original text strictly following academic rules.
He was told that whatever you used to see in the dreams you have already done it. He did not see having slaughtered his son.
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I loudly discard all traditional and so called modernist translations. I study the original text strictly following academic rules.
He was told that whatever you used to see in the dreams you have already done it. He did not see having slaughtered his son.
Lets see how valid is your loud claim.
Translation from your website for 37102
"O My dear child, it is a fact that I keep seeing during sleep that I am about to slaughter you. Therefore, you look into it as to what you perceive about this phenomenon?"
There is no "about to" in Arabic text. Your claim to discard all traditional and modernist translations is not supported by your inflated translations.
One can never get the message of Quran if he/she does not approach it with a clean slate. Pre-conceived concepts will pollute the message.
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Only people with clean slate can get this message.
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Lets see how valid is your loud claim.
Translation from your website for 37102
"O My dear child, it is a fact that I keep seeing during sleep that I am about to slaughter you. Therefore, you look into it as to what you perceive about this phenomenon?"
There is no "about to" in Arabic text. Your claim to discard all traditional and modernist translations is not supported by your inflated translations.
One can never get the message of Quran if he/she does not approach it with a clean slate. Pre-conceived concepts will pollute the message.
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Only people with clean slate can get this message.
There are different type of texts by structure and meanings. The author writes with the presumption that the reader is aware how a text is read and how meanings are drawn conveying the intended message.
If you are aware what type of a text is in Ayah 37100-113, it will be easy for me to explain it to you what I have written.
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There are different type of texts by structure and meanings. The author writes with the presumption that the reader is aware how a text is read and how meanings are drawn conveying the intended message.
If you are aware what type of a text is in Ayah 37100-113, it will be easy for me to explain it to you what I have written.
The text in the Quraan is the word of Allah which He revealed for the guidance of human beings. He made it simple enough for us to get guidance from it.
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And we made the Quraan easy for reminder so is there one to take the reminder.
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The text in the Quraan is the word of Allah which He revealed for the guidance of human beings. He made it simple enough for us to get guidance from it.
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And we made the Quraan easy for reminder so is there one to take the reminder.
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The statement that Qur?n is rendered facilitative has the value of a claim - to say, without proof or evidence, that something is true. Since the statement is about a book which is meant for reading and comprehending, the statement will be true if the book facilitates the reader both in its reading and comprehension. This is the extent of the statement. If the critical reader finds the statement true to its extent it will obviously highlight the value, quality and importance of the book whereby he will become sincere and reverent for it.
For making some thing easy, facilitator we need to do something. We must know how is it made easy only then it will become easily understandable.
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Salam,
@ Wakas => thank you for the links (scattered on different topics). One of the main difference is about the translation of the verb "Talla" in 37103 and coherence with the rest of the Quran.
@ Novice => Yes. It is an effort of everyone to be humble in front of God and his words.
I have to struggle all the time with my mind and my ego
=> God confirms and sometimes corrected history into the bible. Infortunately, In many cases, we have assisted at a "biblisation" of the quran while the quran offer a new lecture of the bible. This example is for me the proof.Peace
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Quranic Rethoric A - B - X - B' - A'
Master, give me by grace (from offspring) among the upright ".
We gave him the glad tidings of a shrewd boy.When he was old enough to actively help his father,
He said "O my son, I had a vision in my dream I was sacrified you.
Take the time to think and tell me how you see this vision.
He said, "O my father, do what is ordained to you.
You will find me, God willing, one of the steadfast.When both had subjected,
and he heaped it to the forehead,We called him, "O Abraham!
You have realized the vision well.
This is how We reward the beneficent.
This was an explicit test.
We rewarded him with a sacrifice beyond measure
By perpetuated it to the after.
Peace over Abraham.
Thus We reward the beneficent.
He was of Our believing servants.We gave him the glad tidings of Isaac,
a prophet among the upright.=> I remarked Something interesting In God says "Believing servants". Why not just to say "Believing" if no real act has been made ? I think this an another sign from God...
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Not altering just my poor English translation sorry
=> O my son, I see myself in my sleep sacrificing you. Better in English ?
It is better but still needs improvement. There is no "myself" in the text. "in my sleep" this is preposition phrase with possessive phrase. In Arabic sentence it is only prepositional phrase.
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In Arabic the verb "adhbau" in 37102 is in the form " 1st person singular imperfect verb" right ?
And in English here is the definition of "imperfect verb" = The imperfect (abbreviated IMPERF) is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state). It can have meanings similar to the English "was walking" or "used to walk." It contrasts with preterite forms, which refer to a single completed event in the past.
Otherwise give your traduction it will be more simple
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In Arabic the verb "adhbau" in 37102 is in the form " 1st person singular imperfect verb" right ?
And in English here is the definition of "imperfect verb" = The imperfect (abbreviated IMPERF) is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state). It can have meanings similar to the English "was walking" or "used to walk." It contrasts with preterite forms, which refer to a single completed event in the past.
Otherwise give your traduction it will be more simple
The term "imperfect" in English refers to forms much more commonly called past progressive or past continuous (like was doing or were doing). These are combinations of past tense with specifically continuous or progressive aspect.
In Arabic this is done by using deficient verb Kana followed by imperfect verb,
The imperfect indicative mood verb does not restrict itself to any idea of time; it indicates enduring existence, begun and incomplete, either in past, present or future time. It indicates an act which does not take place at any one particular time to the exclusion of any other point in time, but which takes place all the time, or rather in speaking of which no notice is taken of time, but only of duration. In English grammar, we call it "the present indefinite ", meaning an action is happening right now, when it happens regularly, or unceasingly which is why it is so called.
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Salam!
Whatever the so-called grammar rules, the word does not mean 'slaughter'.
It means to split, to separate etc. Refer to when Ibrahim says that he has left his progeny near .
Event of Yousuf and Yaqub tells us what happens when a son is separated from a father and how father feels.
Read AQ with your own eyes, listen with you own ears and use your own intellect.Peace!
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Salam!
Whatever the so-called grammar rules, the word does not mean 'slaughter'.
It means to split, to separate etc. Refer to when Ibrahim says that he has left his progeny near .
Event of Yousuf and Yaqub tells us what happens when a son is separated from a father and how father feels.
Read AQ with your own eyes, listen with you own ears and use your own intellect.Peace!
Salam Bro,
Good remark about the primary signification BUT different view => To cut,to ripped from ordinary life and to dedicate first your life for spreading the message of god
Please Don't "cut" this word from the subject of the surah 37 for a better understanding. (My first post on this topic)
In others surah, without no doubt, it means physical "sacrifice" (animal) like in .The textual context is important as the member "Novice" underlined
Peace
