Did Abraham really dream of slaughtering his son? [37:103]
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Quranic Rethoric A - B - X - B' - A'
Master, give me by grace (from offspring) among the upright ".
We gave him the glad tidings of a shrewd boy.When he was old enough to actively help his father,
He said "O my son, I had a vision in my dream I was sacrified you.
Take the time to think and tell me how you see this vision.
He said, "O my father, do what is ordained to you.
You will find me, God willing, one of the steadfast.When both had subjected,
and he heaped it to the forehead,We called him, "O Abraham!
You have realized the vision well.
This is how We reward the beneficent.
This was an explicit test.
We rewarded him with a sacrifice beyond measure
By perpetuated it to the after.
Peace over Abraham.
Thus We reward the beneficent.
He was of Our believing servants.We gave him the glad tidings of Isaac,
a prophet among the upright.=> I remarked Something interesting In God says "Believing servants". Why not just to say "Believing" if no real act has been made ? I think this an another sign from God...
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Not altering just my poor English translation sorry
=> O my son, I see myself in my sleep sacrificing you. Better in English ?
It is better but still needs improvement. There is no "myself" in the text. "in my sleep" this is preposition phrase with possessive phrase. In Arabic sentence it is only prepositional phrase.
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In Arabic the verb "adhbau" in 37102 is in the form " 1st person singular imperfect verb" right ?
And in English here is the definition of "imperfect verb" = The imperfect (abbreviated IMPERF) is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state). It can have meanings similar to the English "was walking" or "used to walk." It contrasts with preterite forms, which refer to a single completed event in the past.
Otherwise give your traduction it will be more simple
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In Arabic the verb "adhbau" in 37102 is in the form " 1st person singular imperfect verb" right ?
And in English here is the definition of "imperfect verb" = The imperfect (abbreviated IMPERF) is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state). It can have meanings similar to the English "was walking" or "used to walk." It contrasts with preterite forms, which refer to a single completed event in the past.
Otherwise give your traduction it will be more simple
The term "imperfect" in English refers to forms much more commonly called past progressive or past continuous (like was doing or were doing). These are combinations of past tense with specifically continuous or progressive aspect.
In Arabic this is done by using deficient verb Kana followed by imperfect verb,
The imperfect indicative mood verb does not restrict itself to any idea of time; it indicates enduring existence, begun and incomplete, either in past, present or future time. It indicates an act which does not take place at any one particular time to the exclusion of any other point in time, but which takes place all the time, or rather in speaking of which no notice is taken of time, but only of duration. In English grammar, we call it "the present indefinite ", meaning an action is happening right now, when it happens regularly, or unceasingly which is why it is so called.
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Salam!
Whatever the so-called grammar rules, the word does not mean 'slaughter'.
It means to split, to separate etc. Refer to when Ibrahim says that he has left his progeny near .
Event of Yousuf and Yaqub tells us what happens when a son is separated from a father and how father feels.
Read AQ with your own eyes, listen with you own ears and use your own intellect.Peace!
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Salam!
Whatever the so-called grammar rules, the word does not mean 'slaughter'.
It means to split, to separate etc. Refer to when Ibrahim says that he has left his progeny near .
Event of Yousuf and Yaqub tells us what happens when a son is separated from a father and how father feels.
Read AQ with your own eyes, listen with you own ears and use your own intellect.Peace!
Salam Bro,
Good remark about the primary signification BUT different view => To cut,to ripped from ordinary life and to dedicate first your life for spreading the message of god
Please Don't "cut" this word from the subject of the surah 37 for a better understanding. (My first post on this topic)
In others surah, without no doubt, it means physical "sacrifice" (animal) like in .The textual context is important as the member "Novice" underlined
Peace
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Salam Bro,
Good remark about the primary signification BUT different view => To cut,to ripped from ordinary life and to dedicate first your life for spreading the message of god
Please Don't "cut" this word from the subject of the surah 37 for a better understanding. (My first post on this topic)
In others surah, without no doubt, it means physical "sacrifice" (animal) like in .The textual context is important as the member "Novice" underlined
Peace
Every Root has a specific semantic field where it can be used. Like a seed which sprout and grow into a plant in a specific environment, each Root is used in specific semantic environment.
This Root is specific to slaughter -
A Killer causes the death of the Victim by rupturing, cutting a cleave in his throat.However there is no restriction if people wish to wander everywhere.
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Salam!
Who is 'killer' in the context, brother mazhar? Give proof.
There is no in 53, dear Iyyaka! Read again. There is no killing of animals required in order to get God's pleasure (i.e. Sacrifice) because He clearly tells that the flesh or blood does not reach Him. And He doea not need Rizq because He is the one who guves Rizq to all.Ibrahim left his progeny as a head of family. He prayed to God so that people may bring fruit to his progeny. Remember that prophets do not ask for /wage for their preaching. If you read whole account of Ibrahim and his sons you will come to know that only Ismael and Ishaq were among the /righteous among his progeny. Ibrahim is also father of all mumineen .
Peace!
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Salam Brother,
There is no in 53, dear Iyyaka!
=> Yes sorry the root appears in 53
(5323) dhubia = "is sacrificed"
Read again. There is no killing of animals required in order to get God's pleasure (i.e. Sacrifice) because He clearly tells that the flesh or blood does not reach Him. And He doea not need Rizq because He is the one who guves Rizq to all.
I think you are confused about what the Quran is saying (or i Don't understand your intent)
Yes you are right when you said "He clearly tells that the flesh or blood does not reach Him. And He doea not need Rizq because He is the one who guves Rizq to all. "
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in 53 God talks about no eating food which is sacrified for pagan gods - No contradiction here and the word means "Physical Sacrifice"
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I recommend you to medidate others ayats in surah 22 and you will see that during the Hajj there is "sacrifice" of animals for mumins.
With 2 diffrents goals than pagan idols
- show his gratitude to God only.
- Feed the poor.
The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
2236 And the plump livestock, We have made them for you to be among the symbols of God; you will have benefit in them.
So mention the name of God upon them in succession; then, once their sides have become still, you may eat from them and feed with them the poor and the needy. It was thus that We have made them in service to you, that you may be thankful.Peace
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no such thing.. but Christian doctrine in the Quran..
https//3.bp.blogspot.com/-6OI5IUQTvWE/V9xs_4TqL4I/AAAAAAAAAkY/h_HW2ksIw30NhYkYTC_O7iyko1pKQEhxgCLcB/s1600/ibrahimsacrifice.jpg
- Ismail (the patient one, the righteous) was not Ibrahim's son.. but a stranger. laugh
When he had separated himself from them, and what they served besides Allah, We gave him Ishaq and Yaqub (Ismail), making each of them a Prophet. (1949)
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Salam Brother,
=> Yes sorry the root appears in 53
(5323) dhubia = "is sacrificed"
This is also seperate and divide by arrows/. Read very carefully.
I think you are confused about what the Quran is saying (or i Don't understand your intent)
Yes you are right when you said "He clearly tells that the flesh or blood does not reach Him. And He doea not need Rizq because He is the one who guves Rizq to all. "
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in 53 God talks about no eating food which is sacrified for pagan gods - No contradiction here and the word means "Physical Sacrifice"
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I recommend you to medidate others ayats in surah 22 and you will see that during the Hajj there is "sacrifice" of animals for mumins.
With 2 diffrents goals than pagan idols
- show his gratitude to God only.
- Feed the poor.
The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
2236 And the plump livestock, We have made them for you to be among the symbols of God; you will have benefit in them.
So mention the name of God upon them in succession; then, once their sides have become still, you may eat from them and feed with them the poor and the needy. It was thus that We have made them in service to you, that you may be thankful.Peace
Have you studied/meditated all ayats? We follow or try to find truth from others' works. We follow what we think is logical but we do not care to see with own eyes. When so called scholars make birds halal to eat then we do not try to see for an ayah which says Birds are halal to eat. Do we? There's one ayah which mentions in Jannah and the word / is used. What does this word mean?
God has eight pairs for you from an'am (396). What does that mean? God has asked a question regarding these eight pairs of an'am. What is answer to that question? (6143).
Where in 2236 it says to an animal and feed the poor?BTW do you like killing animals and birds?
Remember that God has every make know what is right and what is wrong. But Iblees makes our deeds good for us. (which may not be good near God.Peace!
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no such thing.. but Christian doctrine in the Quran..
https//3.bp.blogspot.com/-6OI5IUQTvWE/V9xs_4TqL4I/AAAAAAAAAkY/h_HW2ksIw30NhYkYTC_O7iyko1pKQEhxgCLcB/s1600/ibrahimsacrifice.jpg
- Ismail (the patient one, the righteous) was not Ibrahim's son.. but a stranger. laugh
When he had separated himself from them, and what they served besides Allah, We gave him Ishaq and Yaqub (Ismail), making each of them a Prophet. (1949)
You may be right. Can you tell what does mean? It is also used for Yahya.
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Salam!
Can anyone tell what does in 2227 mean? And if it means a lean camel then how much flesh is there to eat in a lean camel when they reach their destination after long and difficult travelling in ? And how much to divide and feed the poor?
I am really confused.
Peace!
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This is also seperate and divide by arrows/. Read very carefully.
Have you studied/meditated all ayats? We follow or try to find truth from others' works. We follow what we think is logical but we do not care to see with own eyes. When so called scholars make birds halal to eat then we do not try to see for an ayah which says Birds are halal to eat. Do we? There's one ayah which mentions in Jannah and the word / is used. What does this word mean?
God has eight pairs for you from an'am (396). What does that mean? God has asked a question regarding these eight pairs of an'am. What is answer to that question? (6143).
Where in 2236 it says to an animal and feed the poor?BTW do you like killing animals and birds?
Remember that God has every make know what is right and what is wrong. But Iblees makes our deeds good for us. (which may not be good near God.Peace!
You know If i find good thinking from others, based on the quran himself, i have no problems to share with others (i did it with the video in this post even if i am not agree with all he said)
If a reasoning is good it doesn't matter for me to know if it comes from me or an another => Only Truth (not interpretation) is important and to serve God. But God remains my master.
Personnally, I have an experience in the quranic rhetoric and i share whith you My own works (2240, 37102...)
Quran is remarkably organized and Semitic Rhetoric is a good tool to approach it as i tried to demonstrate here in different posts.Sure you have meditate al-quran.
The question we have to ask is it my own interpretation or not ?To answer you on these aspects (i quote u)
(1) "God has eight pairs for you from an'am (396). What does that mean? God has asked a question regarding these eight pairs of an'am. What is answer to that question? (6143).
(2)Where in 2236 it says to an animal and feed the poor?"My answers =>
(1) Quran says that all is good to eat (except 4 kinds of foods he describes). Pagan idols had a lot of taboo, interdiction and the Quran fight against these kinds of tradition (like it did with the jews...). Sorry but simple.
(2) If you want to eat an animal before you have to kill it right ? is it not a "sacrifice" for feeding you and/or poor people? We can play with the words but the reality is there.Peace