How did we populate the world in the first place
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Salaam Brother Imran
If we leave the text of Quran then we are guessing.
salam bro NOVICE,
even if dnt leave the text of quran we are still GUESSING.They said "Are you appointing in it the one who creates disorder and sheds blood!!!"
why they said and who was the ONE ? i already asked two times...
Of course God knew and He decided to give that human race knowledge.
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And He gave knowledge to humans .........
yeh whats so astonishing in it God is the provider of everything including "knowledge" he is continously providing KNOWLEDGE to humanity till date..
BUT i asked something else u can revisit that post brother.
They were not telling God but were wondering.
DID they wondering upon every creation what God made before human like AL-JINN ? u skipped that question but your post is not going through if u will not give this answer...
Perfect verb informs that action was completed and it has become an event of past. So it is called
" " .Imperfect verb informs us that an action is happening and continuing into future. It is called .
i know that , and i also know that technical issues related with all grammer of (Quran,english,arabic,urdu etc) i will show u examples in next quotes. .
Quran does not use these terms instead it uses the term "Adam".
so its mean ALJINN were ADAM once ?
( look if you leave the text you will be guessing ) rotfl
another TEASER from grammer point of view brother NOVICE do u think adam is singular or plural form used by quran or both forms used by quran ?
Brother I already wrote that and are imperfect verbs . Imperfect verbs show an action is happening at the time.
and i said i know that,
i was thinking u are good in understanding questions but my BAD.
lem me help you there...
230 tells me that there was a race on the earth spreading disorder and shedding blood when God decided to appoint it as a successor.
according to the rules of grammer your tense is PAST continuous tense.. of verb.. you are using (ING) with your helping verbs...
u have no idea about the technical issues with the grammer of english and you are drving a car of QURANIC grammer.. take more time brother...
And kindly see reply 31 ASWELL..
May God guide us All..
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Brother hawk99 sura 114 does not say that Jinna were living on earth before adamites.
True, I was only pointing out the chronological order that the jinn were first!
230 .....they said are you appointing one who is creating disorder in it and sheds blood ....
It appears that the Malaika were not aware that these new people
would be different from the people already residing on earth.Hence the quote
?..Indeed, I know that which you do not know...?Looks like Adamites were successor to those who were already living like animals without any knowledge or guidance.
Based on the roots of Iblis and jinn they behave true
to their nature.peace
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for the PEOPLE who really want to see it by scientific/mathematics way we have graph from last couple of centuries what showed us after suffering from wars and catastrophies human population is increasing and at one one point it started from LEAST scale same like everything else we see have beginning and END.
there is CREATION begind every DESTRUCTION.
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peace brother,
who were they and how they started their LIFE in START. ( time frame = 13.7 billion) ?
let say 600 million years ago at the age of dinosaurs.. what was their STATUS ?
i want you to take me to the start of HOMOsaphiens or any APE ?..
was there not a time when human being was nothing ( from single drop of fluid ) (singularity)
do not the disbielevers see heavens and earth were one unit (singularity)
BIGBANG of science ( at one point it was like a size of tennnis ball)... also start from (singularity)Brother Imran science has not developed so far that we could travel back in time and see what happened at a certain time so we have to rely on the information given in Quran.
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even if dnt leave the text of quran we are still GUESSING.
No brother if we stick to the text then we are not guessing but getting the truth from our Rabb.
why they said and who was the ONE ? i already asked two times...
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The answer is in 230. The "one" is who was creating disorder and shedding blood.
yeh whats so astonishing in it God is the provider of everything including "knowledge" he is continously providing KNOWLEDGE to humanity till date..
Brother reading without context is misleading. The ayats are talking about appointment of humans as successor.
DID they wondering upon every creation what God made before human like AL-JINN ? u skipped that question but your post is not going through if u will not give this answer...
Quran does not give us that information.
so its mean ALJINN were ADAM once ?
Quran does not say that and I cannot add anything to the Quran.
another TEASER from grammer point of view brother NOVICE do u think adam is singular or plural form used by quran or both forms used by quran ?
Please go through the ayats about adam with the context and see what makes more sense for you. I cannot believe that Adam was a singular and humans are the product of incest.
i was thinking u are good in understanding questions but my BAD.
Sorry brother looks like I am not a genius like you and my understanding is limited.
lem me help you there...
according to the rules of grammer your tense is PAST continuous tense.. of verb.. you are using (ING) with your helping verbs...
u have no idea about the technical issues with the grammar of english and you are drving a car of QURANIC grammar.. take more time brother...
Are you trying to learn Arabic with English grammar rules brother? Arabic has its own grammar rules and does not need help from other languages. I have already accepted that I am not a genius like you brother. I can see that you are an expert in English as well as Arabic grammar in your understanding. I am just a student learning everyday.
God bless you.
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No brother if we stick to the text then we are not guessing but getting the truth from our Rabb.
SALAM and PEACE brother.
it appears to me people are guessing quran from last 14 centuries .. the only book that allow all genius past and future to GUESS...
BOLD when you read the very first line of QURAN.. u can see we are getting nothing from God but a human is wriiting/starting it with the name of GOD.. and this is the last in SET of series of books by messengers of God...
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The answer is in 230. The "one" is who was creating disorder and shedding blood.
how you decide the TIMEFRAME?
that "ONE" was already there in the shape of ?
how can human exist before human ?
more easy way how can human exist before dinosaur ?The ayats are talking about appointment of humans as successor.
THE ayats are talking about this
Your Lord announced His Plan to the angels, ?I am about to place on earth a new creation that will have supremacy over it.?
Quran does not give us that information.
actually QURAN does give us that information here you go..
1526 We have created the human being from hardened clay of aged mud. (from the womb of earth)=(first generationn of creation)
1527 The Jinn, We created him before that from the flames of fire.see more example in the very next quote.
Quran does not say that and I cannot add anything to the Quran.
you said there was already a "creation" present at that time of God annoucement so AL-jinn is the best candidate you have here isnt it?
1850 And We said to the angels "Yield to Adam." So they all yielded except for Satan. He was of the Jinn, he disobeyed the order of his Lord. Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy? Miserable for the
transgressors is the substitute!Please go through the ayats about adam with the context and see what makes more sense for you. I cannot believe that Adam was a singular and humans are the product of incest.
WELL grammer of quran is dealing it very well i will just give one example verse for you to carry on how to verify it..
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333 God has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran over the worlds.
you choose any color of them and let me know they are single person or something else?
give examples the way how i give... incase u decide RED color got some issues in it ?Sorry brother looks like I am not a genius like you and my understanding is limited.
nobody is genius.. nobody need to be genius for understanding human THINGS.
same thing to all of them who are getting scared from (exam of books) written and understood by same humans like me and you ... keep it up bro..Are you trying to learn Arabic with English grammar rules brother? Arabic has its own grammar rules and does not need help from other languages. I have already accepted that I am not a genius like you brother. I can see that you are an expert in English as well as Arabic grammar in your understanding. I am just a student learning everyday.
God bless you.
no i m not learning arabic or english rules i already go through them ages ago...
i m just telling you how to learn those rules sorry my brother if it hurts you i never claimed to be a genius lol but thanks for the compliments...and i ll give you in return something as well group
all GRAMMAR of arabic derived from QURAN itself... so its quran who is master over grammer not other way round..
same thing with english when i was discussing grammer i really get pissed to be honest... due to my own reasons becoz lot of grammer things dnt make sense in real life and nobody really care too while applying grammer in their daily lives...example of pronounication... in english..
asia & indonesia when u pronounced it u can see the apparent technical issue of english spoken and written language...
and interestingly in this world we have LOT left for learning/exploring...
and these type of genius (lol) questions give us growth in our understanding.. and we can build /improve our theories and hypothesis more with the problems coming in the way of proven FACT...
GOD bless us all with knowledge and learning...
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Brother Imran science has not developed so far that we could travel back in time and see what happened at a certain time so we have to rely on the information given in Quran.
we dnt need to TIMETRAVEL in past... rotfl
we already have our earth that hold lot of secrets in her belly ( in my language earth is feminine)...
darwin was the messenger of God who wrote a book so that other messengers play a part in it (future)... and it was exactly the planning of God he wrote that book and evolution become a separate FIELD of science and now we have things more clearer than DARWIN...
we have INTEREST to unlock the mysteries...
and every single day we have been updated what we discovered/explored...
and till date there is not any ape who become human...
not any goat who become crocodile...(darwin said its a missing link)and also till date we did not see anything evolving in to something else.. there is a programming code behind every male and female cells only the authorised codes can UNLOCK the device.. (u cant even make transgender pregnat rotfl
example ZEBRA male GOAT female cant produce a shit lol...
DARWIN have some valid points as well ..
he said life started from water
he said life evolved in stages
he said life start from singularity..but he said he have no eivdence of ape become a man (or a missing link)... link is still missing...
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SALAM and PEACE brother.
it appears to me people are guessing quran from last 14 centuries .. the only book that allow all genius past and future to GUESS...
BOLD when you read the very first line of QURAN.. u can see we are getting nothing from God but a human is wriiting/starting it with the name of GOD.. and this is the last in SET of series of books by messengers of God...
Sorry brother I believe it is from our Rabb and now the reminder is preserved till the Last Day. Did that human being wrote this ayat for himself?
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And if he had ascribed his sayings to Us,
We would have taken him by the right hand,
and would indeed have cut his life-vein.how you decide the TIMEFRAME?
that "ONE" was already there in the shape of ?
how can human exist before human ?
more easy way how can human exist before dinosaur ?Fossil records can inform us when human civilization started. At that point human race started leaving the animal behavior and got knowledge and guidance.
THE ayats are talking about this
Your Lord announced His Plan to the angels, ?I am about to place on earth a new creation that will have supremacy over it.?
There is no "about to" in 230
The word is which is active participle and shows the actor is doing something so it would mean "I am appointing".
actually QURAN does give us that information here you go..
1526 We have created the human being from hardened clay of aged mud. (from the womb of earth)=(first generationn of creation)
1527 The Jinn, We created him before that from the flames of fire.A better understanding with current knowledge about creation would be from next two ayats
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Recall when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I am creating man out of sounding inorganic matter, out of hydrated clay.
And when I perfect him in due proportion and blow into him from My Guidance, be of service to him.It shows creation of human beings was not in one moment. There is a process of making them proportional told in these ayats.
you said there was already a "creation" present at that time of God annoucement so AL-jinn is the best candidate you have here isnt it?
SO are we "jinns" brother if Jinns were appointed as successors.
WELL grammer of quran is dealing it very well i will just give one example verse for you to carry on how to verify it..
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333 God has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran over the worlds.
you choose any color of them and let me know they are single person or something else?
give examples the way how i give... incase u decide RED color got some issues in it ?The word Adam representing human race in creation verses, gives sense of plural and 333 is giving names of those messengers that God chose to convey His message. As Parvez Ahmad said this verse hints that there might be a messenger named Adam. And this is the only verse where Adam is named with other messengers. At other places in Quran chain of messengers start with Noah.
all GRAMMAR of arabic derived from QURAN itself... so its quran who is master over grammer not other way round..
same thing with english when i was discussing grammer i really get pissed to be honest... due to my own reasons becoz lot of grammer things dnt make sense in real life and nobody really care too while applying grammer in their daily lives...example of pronounication... in english..
asia & indonesia when u pronounced it u can see the apparent technical issue of english spoken and written language...
and interestingly in this world we have LOT left for learning/exploring...
and these type of genius (lol) questions give us growth in our understanding.. and we can build /improve our theories and hypothesis more with the problems coming in the way of proven FACT...
GOD bless us all with knowledge and learning...
Quran was revealed in a language known to the messenger and his audience very well. They were literary people of highest calibre. Quran did not start a new language called Arabic rather the language was existing there to receive the Last communication from our Creator by the people.
God bless you brother.
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Peace Novice,
Your replies are makes perfect sense. Imran's posts are always illogical and makes no sense. Therefore, I have decided not to debate with him.
God bless you.
NK
Thanks NK. Let everyone have his/her opinion. We share our undersatndings and keep on learning. Everyone is at a different level of understanding and we learn more as we explore more. Let explore more together and get benefitted.
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Imran's posts are always illogical and makes no sense.
Therefore, I have decided not to debate with him.
Peace brother,
I would like to know what's u see illogical in my posts ? U can always ask if u confuse in logical and illogical becoz in this world we see people who see drinking camel/cow urine as logical and at same time other people think it's illogical.Bold that's a very best decision handshake
Becoz you/we should not debate it will not give us anything.
We/you always share our findings and make a discussion beneficial for other readers like me and novice doing.BTW I made a special thread for YOU on root "JNN"and addressed ur questions there too it's seems u need to give more time on studying and research. Look I say things in such a way people have options to think on broad level by multiple ways.
God bless you
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SALAM and PEACE brother.
Sorry brother I believe it is from our Rabb and now the reminder is preserved till the Last Day.
peace brother,
obviously everything, every THINK, is from our RABB and along with this reminder lot of other reminders will b preserved till last day..
Did that human being wrote this ayat for himself?
God make human being wrote with his right hand, every action is happening as per God plan, not a leaf fall untill God wish..
Fossil records can inform us when human civilization started. At that point human race started leaving the animal behavior and got knowledge and guidance.
AT what point ?
who knows we will find more older fossils in future times what will change the shape of whole knowledge what we have at present stage as you said by yourself earlier... we didnt even explore 0.00001 percent of earth yet"I am appointing".
Now you turn it to present continous...
A better understanding with current knowledge about creation would be from next two ayats
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Recall when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I am creating man out of sounding inorganic matter, out of hydrated clay.
And when I perfect him in due proportion and blow into him from My Guidance, be of service to him.It shows creation of human beings was not in one moment. There is a process of making them proportional told in these ayats.
TRUE thats why i said creation and evolution are two different things...
SO are we "jinns" brother if Jinns were appointed as successors.
you gona decide it what they were if they were already present before us ...
you have a creation before human..here yes
The word Adam representing human race in creation verses, gives sense of plural and 333 is giving names of those messengers that God chose to convey His message. As Parvez Ahmad said this verse hints that there might be a messenger named Adam. And this is the only verse where Adam is named with other messengers. At other places in Quran chain of messengers start with Noah.
verse is not hinting nothing its saying a proper noun brother... along with other proper nouns.
forget about ghulam ahmed pervaiz guessworks what he think.. i gave u evidence what u was looking for..anyway here u go another... 527 see it could be the best case for your theory but again corpus addressed adam here as singular proper noun..
Quran was revealed in a language known to the messenger and his audience very well. They were literary people of highest calibre. Quran did not start a new language called Arabic rather the language was existing there to receive the Last communication from our Creator by the people.
God bless you brother.
obviously brother message to the arabs must b in arabic.. what so special in it.. God will not send alien language as a message to people what they cant understand...
if u see the post again i m not telling you about arabic, i am telling you the technical issues of grammar (ANY language) rules made by human..
u didnt bother looking at those issues. or its hard to grasp ?BOLD last communication how ? do u think God stop sending signs now ?
you can say last series of books. by a special company of messengers started from abraham...in region of XYZ..
GOD bless you brother..
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Thank you brother Imran for you reply. Adam in Quran is not associated with Wahi, Al-Kitab, Risalat (messengership) or Nabuwat (prophethood).
In my humble understanding from Quran and learned people's writings human race evolved from simple unicellular life to present day complex form. Sometime in this evolutionary process God chose to give knowledge to evolving humans called "ADAM" in Quran. .
Salam
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Thank you brother Imran for you reply.
you always welcome brother novice, i was extremely busy in some personal matters of life what make me reply late. hope u doing good in life..
Adam in Quran is not associated with Wahi, Al-Kitab, Risalat (messengership) or Nabuwat (prophethood).
TRUE, he was not a messenger or prophet as per my understanding... but a masculine proper noun singular .(as per CORPUS)
In my humble understanding from Quran and learned people's writings human race evolved from simple unicellular life to present day complex form.
its also inline with QURAN and EVOLUTION i also represent my findings same way... at first it was unisex (single) then from that unisex (male & female) cell ... and so on...
Recall that God created life from a single life cell, then made male and female cells, and then shaped you into human beings, males and females. (7189).
Sometime in this evolutionary process God chose to give knowledge to evolving humans called "ADAM" in Quran. .
Salam
name ADAM is a proper noun as per corpus and grammer of scholarly rules..i never see quran consider adam as collective noun anywhere..
but i can show you some verses from where we can consider this as colllective noun if that can apply...i think i already highlighted some months ago
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610386.msg419784#msg419784
see my reply 38 and 27 of this thread...
salam and blessing of God .
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Thank you brother Imran. We will keep on researching and try to get more knowledge in sha'a Allah..
God bless you.
inshAllah brother novice.
God bless you too.
once a person in television said to another person "do you know when someone is loved by God the first sign is God provide him with knowledge... as a GIFT".. sometimes i feel he said a deep thing indeed....
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Thanks NK. Let everyone have his/her opinion. We share our undersatndings and keep on learning. Everyone is at a different level of understanding and we learn more as we explore more. Let explore more together and get benefitted.
Thank you brother Novice, you are not like other people here who rebuke people for asking question or differ in opinion.
Really I admire you and Brother Imran in trying to help people understand, as you said everyone is at different level of understanding.
God bless you all
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peace all,
Seems some of you are struggling to interpret The Qur’an according to science!
Do you really believe that God is capable of anything/everything?
What do you think about the Day of Resurrection?
Since most of the generations are already soil, will there be another ‘evolution process’ to become soil to man?Remember, centuries ago there were communities who believed in the Qur’an without the support of these scientific theories!
The learned people you are referring to (e.g. scientists and scholars) are ‘Learned’ in a general view, but we don’t know whether they are truly ‘Learned’ at God.For me as a believer, this is an irrelevant topic like many on this forum.
Why such discussions with our limited knowledge? while we have enough evidences in ourselves and around us which are observable without any equipment, to know and realise God and to live accordingly. -
Since most of the generations are already soil, will there be another ‘evolution process’ to become soil to man?
there were and will be lot of processes by creator and for more details ponder on these verses..
5526 All things therein (in the Universe) are ever changing.
5527 The presence of your Lord will remain, the One with Majesty and Honor. ( one of my FAV verse) which means only REALITY of time/space is the one who mastered it.. we are bound in time space not him...
55 28 so Which authority/marvel/miracle of your Lord will you deny?
5529 All creatures in the heavens and earth seek their needs from Him. everyday He is in some matter.
so we PUNY creation of planet earth in one universe out of billions think God created everything for the residents of planet earth rotfl we have only a timeline less than even million solar years..
there is LOT more there in HEAVENS the things what we cant even imagine/perceive..(and hes providing them on daily basis)
AR-REHMAN is above than what we can associate with him.. hail