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Can anybody prove unambiguously that Muhammad is referred to as a person in qura

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  • LaythL Offline
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    Layth
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    Is there any reference about Muhammad the person in quran?

    I am looking for comments from
    .linguistic experts.

    .

    Salam,

    Not sure what you are asking for, but there are multiple references to Mohammed (as a person by name 3144, 3340, 472, 4829) and many more as a "Prophet" (by title) + one reference as "Ahmad" (616) - which I am unsure of as to why the name change.

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      Salam,

      Not sure what you are asking for, but there are multiple references to Mohammed (as a person by name 3144, 3340, 472, 4829) and many more as a "Prophet" (by title) + one reference as "Ahmad" (616) - which I am unsure of as to why the name change.

      Name... Names means something. Names meant something for people of old everywhere, and in Qur'an they also mean something. It is not a fashion or a thing that sounds cute. They DO MEAN. Therefore the name Muhammad means, Ahmad means. May it mean, for the khatam annabiyin, that he is, and with him all prophets, very much praised and the most praised. Since it is God who calls him that, it is not something that should be tainted with personality cult.

      Salaam

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        Mazhar
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        Brother Mazhar my problem is that when I see some additions to the words of God, on the basis of inherited stories I get upset.

        Why your translation has "dead or live" and "males of strengthen maturity"?

        Correcting a slip was not what i meant. I have issue with extra words conveying certain meaning.

        Your problem is that you do not know Arabic, particularly about how Arabic sentences are structured with elisions.

        أَبَاۤ أَحَدࣲ This Phrase needs to be clarified. With absolute indefinite noun "anyone" it covers the entire past timeline. Dead or live.

        Then you seldom apply mind about the choice of words, Why مِّن رِّجَالِكُمۡ. Why not منكم?

        It restricts that he was never father of a son who reached the age where a person is called Man - a fully grown male.

        You yourself create a barrier between Qur'an and yourself.

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          Your problem is that you do not know Arabic, particularly about how Arabic sentences are structured with elisions.

          Yes Mr. NOORANI I do not know YOUR Arabic but is not the Quranic Arabic enough for us to get guidance from it which Allah SWT confirms to be easy to get advice from it.

          You have made up your mind that you know everything and only your view is the correct view. This way you yourself have created a barrier between youself and the Quran. I always seek refuge with Allah SWT from Shaitan while studying the Quran.

          أَبَاۤ أَحَدࣲ This Phrase needs to be clarified. With absolute indefinite noun "anyone" it covers the entire past timeline. Dead or live.

          Then you seldom apply mind about the choice of words, Why مِّن رِّجَالِكُمۡ. Why not منكم?

          It restricts that he was never father of a son who reached the age where a person is called Man - a fully grown male.

          You yourself create a barrier between Qur'an and yourself.

          I cannot read the Arabic quote in your reply so cannot comment on it. But I could see what your translation was referring to (red part above).

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            Mazhar
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            Yes Mr. NOORANI I do not know YOUR Arabic but is not the Quranic Arabic enough for us to get guidance from it which Allah SWT confirms to be easy to get advice from it.

            You have made up your mind that you know everything and only your view is the correct view. This way you yourself have created a barrier between youself and the Quran. I always seek refuge with Allah SWT from Shaitan while studying the Quran.

            I cannot read the Arabic quote in your reply so cannot comment on it. But I could see what your translation was referring to (red part above).

            The language of Qur'an is a living language.

            You ponder not on the choice of words and phrases. Why
            http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.133/1.%20Abaaeka%20Alif%20Ba%20Waw%20Father/48.gif is used? And what information does it give to today's reader? The other word for Father is http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/36.gif

            You even ponder not as to what was the necessity of using deficient verb http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00050.%20Kanoo%20Kaf%20Waw%20Noon/3.gif

            With it and without you will translate it in same words. Do you know why?

            About what you colored red. http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.228/498.%20LirRijjal%20Rs%20Jeem%20Laam/26.gif The basic component, irreducible semantic feature of this word is human males who have crossed over to strengthen maturity and have become fully grown men. It excludes males of adolescence age.

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              The language of Qur'an is a living language.

              It is living but polluted language today. The quranic terms have been twisted to confirm to human agendas. Majority follows scholarly interpretations and tafaseer leaving God's words behind.

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                About what you colored red. http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.228/498.%20LirRijjal%20Rs%20Jeem%20Laam/26.gif The basic component, irreducible semantic feature of this word is human males who have crossed over to strengthen maturity and have become fully grown men. It excludes males of adolescence age.

                Mature men do not fall from sky. They are born first.

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                  Mazhar
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                  Mature men do not fall from sky. They are born first.

                  Nothing can help when man decided to shut all passages to brain.

                  When a child is born he is not called Man.

                  وَنُقِرُّ فِى ٱلۡأَرْحَامِ مَا نَشَآءُ إِلَـىٰٓ أَجَلٛ مُّسَمّٙى

                  And We implant-make those reside in the wombs whom Our Majesty so will, towards a determined length of time with appointed termination moment.

                  ثُـمَّ نُخْرِجُكُـمْ طِفْلٙا

                  Afterwards the lapse of appointed duration Our Majesty discharge you as an infant.

                  ثُـمَّ لِتَبْلُغُوٓا۟ أَشُدَّكُمْۚ

                  Afterwards, Our Majesty keep developing you to cross over to your strengthen maturity.

                  It is useless talking any more to you. Stay blessed.

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                    You even ponder not as to what was the necessity of using deficient verb http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00050.%20Kanoo%20Kaf%20Waw%20Noon/3.gif

                    With it and without you will translate it in same words. Do you know why?

                    I have not seen anyone addressing his father as " Ya Walid" but "Ya Abu".

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                      Nothing can help when man decided to shut all passages to brain.

                      When a child is born he is not called Man.

                      وَنُقِرُّ فِى ٱلۡأَرْحَامِ مَا نَشَآءُ إِلَـىٰٓ أَجَلٛ مُّسَمّٙى

                      And We implant-make those reside in the wombs whom Our Majesty so will, towards a determined length of time with appointed termination moment.

                      ثُـمَّ نُخْرِجُكُـمْ طِفْلٙا

                      Afterwards the lapse of appointed duration Our Majesty discharge you as an infant.

                      ثُـمَّ لِتَبْلُغُوٓا۟ أَشُدَّكُمْۚ

                      Afterwards, Our Majesty keep developing you to cross over to your strengthen maturity.

                      It is useless talking any more to you. Stay blessed.

                      Thank you brother. May Allah SWT bless you as well.

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