Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son? - Eid Al Adha
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How can a student of Qoran even consider that GOD would do such a thing?
Have a look again at GOD s attributes!!!!
My GOD of Qoran would not order Fahisha/Murder....What? Would GOD contradict Himself? Subhannah Allah!!!Thou shall not kill is one of the commands. Do not even contemplate the idea.
End of the argument. Or are we looking for a verse that clearly indicates "GOD did not instruct Abraham and had nothing to do with the vision"?
it is clear that one cannot find the verse that clearly identifies the dream to be from GOD? Is that not enough?GOD bless.
Peace.Salam Good logic,
Do you adress your critic to me ? Because i NEVER say that the vision was about to kill his son (Read my previous interventions in différents threads + it contradict the Basmala and surah 113-114).
Otherwise sorry for this post.Peace
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My post was not addressed to you in particular brother Iyyaka.
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It was addressing the title of the topic. i.e Of course Qoran never said "GOD told Abraham to sacrifice his son...".
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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My post was not addressed to you in particular brother Iyyaka.
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It was addressing the title of the topic. i.e Of course Qoran never said "GOD told Abraham to sacrifice his son...".
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Ok
Some might think it's a lot of energy to spend on braham history and this small ayat (37102) but I think it's the heart of our vision of God that is at stake and this vision influences our behavior.
We can say "I put my trust (not Believe) in Allah" but which Allah? This is a fundamental question that must also allow us to have a "Rhamanic" reading of the Qur'an.
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Peace Wakas, I do like your analogy of the father and son's heartfelt
separation, but when you say"No mention of a misinterpreted dream is found in Quran, and this position
requires us to believe that both Abraham and his son misinterpreted it,
which seems unlikely. Note that his son clearly thought it was a command."Could it not be that his son simply believed his father and replied "do as you are
commanded"peace
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Kim Il Sun Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?
Kim Jong Il Do as you please dad.
Kim Il Sun ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **
Kim Jong Suk STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane??????? He's our child!!!
That's it.. I had enough with this!!
Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse.. your dad is F&*ng insane!!
As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!! -
Kim Il Sun Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?
Kim Jong Il Do as you please dad.
Kim Il Sun ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **
Kim Jong Suk STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane??????? He's our child!!!
That's it.. I had enough with this!!
Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse.. your dad is F&*ng insane!!
As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!!in old times people were so sure that God pleased with the color of blood , hence sins can only wash with the help of blood sacrifice..
SACRIFICE type of feelings and actions are assets to human values therefore stories related with sacrifice leave impression on heart and mind of people..
even in this time/space we have to sacrifice ourselves in lot of things to achieve a status of having in someones good books...
millions of poor animals are still paying the price of sacrifice in the name of that event.. blood thirsty land and the land owners cant get rid of coloring the land with red, its a cultural insanity transfer from tradition to tradition in different make up..
years ago i watched a movie Apocalypto even on the other side of world not yet discovered by ancient people, that practice of maya civilisation was going on there ..
the ending part of movie was interesting as soon human get rid from one concept of ignorance another new ignorant concept is waiting for him.
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peace,
Peace Wakas, I do like your analogy of the father and son's heartfelt
separation, but when you say"No mention of a misinterpreted dream is found in Quran, and this position
requires us to believe that both Abraham and his son misinterpreted it,
which seems unlikely. Note that his son clearly thought it was a command."Could it not be that his son simply believed his father and replied "do as you are
commanded"Abraham asked his son for his view (i.e. "look what you see?", so this suggests his son did exactly that, i.e. gave Abraham his considered opinion. Essentially he concurred with Abraham, emphasising to do as he has been commanded and he (the son) will be of the patient ones, if God willed.
Yes but the son did not object to anything -
Peace Jafar.
Your story is not finished, ,this is more like itKim Il Sun Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?
Kim Jong Il Do as you please dad.
Kim Il Sun ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **
Kim Jong Suk STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane? He's our child!!!
That's it.. I had enough with this!!
Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse.. your dad is F&*ng insane!!
As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!!Kim Il Sun Son, your mum has saved you. I will sacrifice her instead.
yeah whatever
GOD bless you.
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Kim Il Sun Son, your mum has saved you. I will sacrifice her instead.
then suddenly robbers entered into the house who were also serial rapists/murderers .. now there is a big twist lmao rotfl
robbers demand from parents let them do the things as per their wish otherwise son is at risk ....
wife said ok kill my son i dnt want to give sacrifice anymore, he already was willing to give sacrifice for no reason atleast he have a reason to save the honor of mother..
husband said do whatever you guys want they already planned to leave me ...
another twist son offered robbers that he want to work for them free of charge as a team if they killed both of his parents ...
or horror genre son turned into monster and killed every single person in the house..
stories upon stories, twists upon twists, versions upon versions, thats what the beauty of human mind = very complicated thing at planet earth..
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Yes brother Imran.
All stories will end and most of the human race will live happily ever after. In HELL!!!!Like Pharoah, Hitler, past leaders from all sorts of tribes and nations....
Perhaps also good logic, Jafar,, your good self ,other brothers and sisters from here and elsewhere that are lucky for now to be living after them generations if each one of us does not "sacrifice " our satans and learn from their examples and stories.GOD bless you.
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The moral I think is,
Abraham belief is so strong he was prepared forego a priceless procession of him, for some cause of goodness, thats the command, and God rewarded for his belief and made it easy with a sacrifice easier for him.
Prepare to give every effort in the name of goodness, God makes it easier.
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Yes brother Imran.
All stories will end and most of the human race will live happily ever after. In HELL!!!!yes brother GL,
you are time-traveler who knows where most of the people will go and what state of happiness and sadness they will experience isnt it.. rotfl
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It is not rocket Science to know where humans end up after they finish with this life.
They will either be with GOD or without GOD. I,e haven or hell!!!Since "Majority" do not accept the "rule of GOD" one can guess the obvious.
So brother Imran this simple matter does not require time travel.
When we hit the gravel, the destiny of hell is where the majority will travel.
And all the mysteries you are pondering now will unravel.GOD bless you.
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It is not rocket Science to know where humans end up after they finish with this life.
i agree its not a rocket science becoz rocket science deals with discovering space.. rocket science got nothing to do with afterlife
its a time-travelling science still in process of discovery shrouded in cover of mystery
Since "Majority" do not accept the "rule of GOD" one can guess the obvious.
becoz majority get the rules from human made ideas,things,books vs the direct communication/postage.
guesswork plays an important role specially its very easy to guess about future becoz nobody can prove it wrong due to lack of vision in future, hence time-traveling required for proven fact..
They will either be with GOD or without GOD. I,e haven or hell!!!
nothing will gona happen whats not in accordance to the plan of creator, you and me will find out in future, until then chill lol..
So brother Imran this simple matter does not require time travel.
When we hit the gravel, the destiny of hell is where the majority will travel.
may b its simple for you but science see it differently, future events prediction with a solid claim absolutely required time-travel..
the one who made the destiny will lead all actors to the place what he created for the actors of past and future.. according to his plan of placing actors who performed the roles what designed for them by designer.
if he want you to play a villain or hero then nothing can stop you from playing that role..
mickey mouse will certainly play the role what walt disney(his creator) decided for him...mickey got no power to go against walt-disney -
Peace Jafar.
Your story is not finished, ,this is more like itDefinitely, let me put some more on top of yours..
Kim Il Sun Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?
Kim Jong Il Do as you please dad.
Kim Il Sun ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **
Kim Jong Suk STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane? He's our child!!!
That's it.. I had enough with this!!
Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse.. your dad is F&*ng insane!!
As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!!Kim Il Sun Son, your mum has saved you. I will sacrifice her instead.
** Kim Il Sun starting to assault his own wife Kim Jong Suk, but due to Il Sun's old age Jong Suk managed to put on a good fight before finally run away with her son Jong Il. During the fight Jong Il called 911 for help and 30 minutes later the police came to apprehend Kim Il Sun **
Judge Kim Il Sun you're being charged with Assault and Attempted Murder how do you plead?
Kim Il Sun Not Guilty Your Honor!! I was being tricked by Satan, he promised me that if I sacrificed my own son I will own the land of this entire country as a reward.
Judge Huh??? So this Satan is some kind of real estate agent???
Kim Il Sun's Lawyer Your honor, on behalf of my client, we would like to put a mental disorder defense for this case.
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If "Kim Il Sun" was living today, he definitely will not be remembered as a 'hero' but as a 'lunatic'...
I deliberately put the same story in "Korean" context thus no one will feel obliged to defend their 'idol' / 'hero' thus more objectivity to view this case is expected. -
Peace Imran.
I disagree with your take here, quote
the one who made the destiny will lead all actors to the place what he created for the actors of past and future.. according to his plan of placing actors who performed the roles what designed for them by designer.
if he want you to play a villain or hero then nothing can stop you from playing that role..
mickey mouse will certainly play the role what walt disney(his creator) decided for him...mickey got no power to go against walt-disneyMy take here
You , me and every individual make their own destiny.. The creator does not force or want anyone to be/do evil
Thank your lucky stars you experience life. Or would you prefer you were nothing?
I accept the restraints of life and death put on me. I trust the creator for what I cannot control. I acknowledge my limited knowledge will hinder my decisions. But I accept accountability and freedom to shape my own destiny which the creator granted every human.The creator does not want you to be anything you do not want to be. Good or bad are the choices that we make.
GOD bless you.
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My take here
You , me and every individual make their own destiny..its just your wishful thinking.
you me and everyone have 0 % control in everything what happened and will happen to me, you and everybody..i wish we could make our destiny or atleast 0.00001 % of our destiny.
btw we are going off-topic here i said to prove the afterlife events one have to master over time-travel. otherwise all are just guessworks so we need to treat them like guess-works.
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Peace Imran.
So you are controlled by some power in choosing and making your own decisions?
Then go and do whatever you want. That power will be accountable for you.
You have a good excuse as far as you are concerned.This is very much on topic. Had Abraham sacrificed his son, would he have blamed GOD ?
One would argue logically and fairly that if GOD had instructed the act, then GOD is to blame!!!!According to your thinking, accountability does not exist?
GOD bless you.
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So you are controlled by some power in choosing and making your own decisions?
what is a difference between making destiny and making decision ?
did u made ur destiny ?
did u select what time,country,race you born?now its (double-offtopic) its ok if you are not a time-traveler rotfl you dun wana admit its another matter.. laugh
This is very much on topic. Had Abraham sacrificed his son, would he have blamed GOD ?
One would argue logically and fairly that if GOD had instructed the act, then GOD is to blame!!!!although i decided to talk further on that issue if u want my views on it..as i see that linked with topic.
he(abraham) already knew its from God still billions of muslims believed on it that it was from God in the end God send a lamb miracle when abraham opened his eyes lamb was there instead of ishmael..
they already made abraham slaughter his son..(but a miracle appearance of lamb saved him from becoming a son slayer) otherwise we all will be slaying our sons as a tradition rotfl i still hear that story people telling their kids infront of me.
BOLD one would also argue God is responsible for the deaths by tsunami, volcanoes, earthquakes, flood, accidents, etc
and also when nations like lot, adh, samod, noah get destroyed by God there were innocent kids there too etc..
one can also argue not a leaf can move without God permission etc...(everything comes from him)one can argue a lot about lot of things.
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Had Abraham sacrificed his son, would he have blamed GOD ?
One would argue logically and fairly that if GOD had instructed the act, then GOD is to blame!!!!According to your thinking, accountability does not exist?
First and foremost, nobody can be really sure that this "Abraham attempted to murder his own child" really did happened.
And personally I find a lot of suspicious / odious things about the myth / legend in the first place.And it came down to "CLAIM ON A PIECE OF LAND".
The sequence of the myth are
- Abraham attempted to sacrifice his own child
- God is moved on what Abraham is willing to do for Him and send out Gabriel to stop the act and put a lamb instead.
(Note What did the lamb do to deserve this ???? another point to ponder..) - Afterward God is so happy that He made a Real Estate agreement with Abraham, God will give the entire land of Canaan to Abraham's descendant and to seal the real estate contract; God demanded Abraham's descendant's penises to be circumcised. As long as they keep circumcising the penises of their boys, God will honor the real estate contract.
I found the above to be totally ridiculous... rotfl rotfl
A series of ridiculous events to justify a claim of ownership made by a group of people on a piece of land and also a justification to expel people not from their own group (those with uncircumcised penises) from the piece of land.
BTW, my penis is also circumcised thus I have a divine right to own a land in the middle east????? rotfl rotfl
Next..
From series of events which made up the legend / myth of Abraham, why the heck they choose to commemorate and celebrate the insanity of Abraham??????
Why not commemorate / celebrate the bravery and brilliance of Abraham when he decided to go against all odds to expose the scam of religion put forth by religious authority?
Even though his own dad was among the key figure of religious authority??
And Abraham was convicted with death by burning because of it?????That is something that truly deserves a standing ovation....
In similar manner as today's John Oliver put forth a funny and well made exposure of religious scam.
Televangelists Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
https//youtu.be/7y1xJAVZxXg
