An ardent cry of help! Someone, please?
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Dear sister,
My English is not good but your cry is touching.
Do not think that you are the only one to doubt. If you have the opportunity, you may have a good time with the beauties of this world and contemplate your creator benefactor. Do not put barriers or sails between you and God. Ask yourself, do yoga or meditation to get back to you.
Listen to your heart..What makes it beat? Listen to the breath that crosses your lungs ... Who makes them dilate?
Keep the basmala as a mantra in your mind. It should become your guide and your focal point of meditation. Meditate on your uterus that contains life and you will understand Al-Rahman Al-Rahim. Meditate on this belic cord that binds us to life and was cut at one point in our lives and how much our distress took hold of us.
Do not ask too many questions if it is not the moment. Be simple. Be faithful to God in the direction to follow while you are his instrument on earth.
And especially forgive, to others but also to yourself and ask Allah to help u and others..Peace sister
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Guys, this post is in earnest. I am a parent and spouse, and my depression and lack of faith has pushed me away into a corner. I need comforting words. How do I come back to God? Sometimes I feel God has locked my heart for doubting and questioning so much. But I have only doubted because I have rarely ever received proper answers.
peace, how would anyone learn or attain faith if they are never tested?
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/126?handschrift=73
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Everyone claims to have found God. You ask muslims, christians, jewish folks, hindus, sikhs, animists, gnostics, whichever denomination you pick claims to have found God and to have guidance.
Salam,
these people, who claim to have "found" God, have found their understanding of God, probably not God as a whole. Don't know if anyone can have that. So no reason to worry that they are so far ahead of you.My psychologist tells me my need for God/faith is a human need that the brain/years of evolution and cultural thought puts on me. I am in agreement with this; and yet I know I have a mind that questions regardless of this need the nature and existence of God.
I am very much in disagreement with this! This is typical for this kind of people that they reduce religion to a tranquilizer If it helps it's good, but truth does not matter.
Nowhere in the Quran there is a chapter, where God explains himself in an academic way, that the rational brain can learn about God. He is above the throne. And in another verse, he is nearer to us than our jugular vein. But then to conclude He is everywhere, like some do, also doesn't work.
We shall think about the signs in the creation, because about this we have the capacity to think. In our heart we have desire for perfect justice, perfect love, perfect beauty, perfect security, no calamity at all ... (much more > names of Allah). Does all this exist? On earth obviously not. So where?
Don't know if this helped much. -
peace, how would anyone learn or attain faith if they are never tested?
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/126?handschrift=73
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Salam Noon,
I didn’t catch the image you sent. Please share?
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Salam,
these people, who claim to have "found" God, have found their understanding of God, probably not God as a whole. Don't know if anyone can have that. So no reason to worry that they are so far ahead of you.This gives some perspective. Perhaps all of us “read” God from our limited experiences and languages. How I understand god will even be different from how my sibling or child will understand; let alone how a non muslim would understand.
Thanks.
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Thanking you all in earnest,
A sleepless agnostic believer on thin icewelcome
I was reading and trying understanding the current situation of your mind journey, i wana suggest you some links of a person who known as expert of ideas and theories at this current stage your mind known by other people as "agnosism"
in a very short time you can share the experience of his mind what he discovered and now hes sharing his ideas with lot of people having same ideas coming in their mind like you.
start from here and then you can take your time watching all of his concepts..in different videos
heart or mindjust make sure one thing, when you feel whole world turned against you, YOU(your intelligence/self) must work for you, nobody can turn it against you.
when you become your own enemy then we called it, misery/sadness/ill-healthy mind/feeling of failue etc. (becoz you turned against your own mind).
best of luck for future
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Nice cry, )
We bring Him more closer to us, talk to Him more often.
We give goodness to others around us, and we will feel more closer to Him.
Respect other's views, and identify our double standards, theres a lot we will have before blaming others using words like shirk and we learn a lot.
Leave things to the flow/God's way. -
I hope people who have gone through something similar will have words to share. How do you guys get back on track? How do you get back to God? How do learn to trust your heart and ignore the musings of the brain? Just how do you guys have faith and I do not?
These might help.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFee7jBZLhg
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0WwZc-Vz7Y
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I am so confused and upset ---- each believing individual is at peace with God, no matter which religion they belong to. Either God exists in the brain or God sees no religion and offers comfort to all regardless of denominations and rituals.
BINGO.
And God exists in everything and more...
Even when there was nothing, God still exist..How do I reach out to God? How do I hear back from the creative force?
Just ask and it shall be given, seek and you shall find.
God knows your questions even before you ask.How will I ever know that it's the authentic voice?
You will certainly know, as your conscience will tell you that it's authentic..
How do I come back to God?
You never left God in the first place... you can't... nobody can...
Sometimes I feel God has locked my heart for doubting and questioning so much.
Now this is important, God will never locked your heart out because you questioning so much..
On contrary... the more question that you have, the more answer that you will find.
Just ask and the answer shall be given... those who asked a lot will find a lot, and those who never asked will never find.Yet sometimes the issue is you don't like the answer..... as it's not inline with your preconceived notion.. or the preconceived notion of your society / group / religion / tradition.
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@ brother jaffar
as far i understand she/he is on about a FEELING,
feeling that he/she is not sure either God is real or fake or only in human mind this approach we called agnostic approach.
Just ask and the answer shall be given... those who asked a lot will find a lot, and those who never asked will never find.
sometimes a person ask again and again and again, he/she never get listen he feels every time failure eventually he/she released himself/herself from asking force thinks that the force never existed at first place these type of feelings..
when a person never experience God in his whole life let say untill 40 hes been ignored by God what he do ?
at this point he lose hope either he will think there is no God or God dnt wana listen him both are not good feelings and these feelings will only lead to more confusion ... -
Why not just focus on yourself, and what goes on inside you, what makes you do this or that, how does it make you do it, and whether or not you retain your existence while doing it or are you just mindlessly dragged into it ? In other word, are you alive in a day to day basis or not ?
All people feel the need to feel alive, and that is the trap in my opinion, because to feel alive and to be alive are two different things, one is easy and tempting, the other one is hard and painful. And it doesn't matter what makes you feel alive, whether it is immersing yourself in a virtual world of a video game, or constantly hopping into emotional rollercoasters of TV series and news and gossips, or even an empty quest for a deity; whatever it is, it is likely to be a distraction from the real things, from your real self.
My advice would be to empty your senses for a while as they keep you bound to the outside world, and start doing some self-inquiry.
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as far i understand she/he is on about a FEELING,
feeling that he/she is not sure either God is real or fake or only in human mind this approach we called agnostic approach.
This is exactly my anxiety. How will I ever know this is not my mind rambling? (( How do i trust my mind when it’s the same mind that can fake so much ...?! It constantly perturbs me that it’s the same mind that convinces people about all sorts of gods and offers them peace. How do I trust my understanding? I have no desire to not have faith; but I do want to have faith that is based in surety and certainty
How do you guys know you’re holding on to the truth? What makes your faith any different from others’?
I wish you all the best with your faith and sincerity.
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The bad thing nowadays is, the human mind and what it all can do, is worshipped like an idol (shirk). No one can weigh spiritual matters with it. Constantly trying to do something which is not possible surely makes one feel very empty.
And SOLIPSISM is the pure philosophy of the devil! Stay away from it to get cured from your depression.
Your HEART is ok, you want the truth. This is the important thing.
Good advice above from Cerberus to beware of virtual realities of different kind. I am not a born muslim, so I may not have such a good unterstanding, how you feel. -
@ brother jaffar
as far i understand she/he is on about a FEELING,
feeling that he/she is not sure either God is real or fake or only in human mind this approach we called agnostic approach.
sometimes a person ask again and again and again, he/she never get listen he feels every time failure eventually he/she released himself/herself from asking force thinks that the force never existed at first place these type of feelings..
Perhaps this is due to expectation?
The answer did came out but it's not in accordance to his/her expectation?
Thus he / she complaint that he / she never received any answer?when a person never experience God in his whole life let say untill 40 hes been ignored by God what he do ?
at this point he lose hope either he will think there is no God or God dnt wana listen him both are not good feelings and these feelings will only lead to more confusion ...No one is ignored by God..
Perhaps this is again due to 'expectation'?"You can't always get what you want, but you might find that you get what you need."
-- Mick Jagger"One who is contented is rich"
-- Lao TseHow do you guys know you’re holding on to the truth? What makes your faith any different from others’?
If what you're looking for is "the one and true religion" then the answer is there is no such thing as "the one and true religion".
The key for this is a realization that we're not holding on to the truth, it will allow our mind to be open minded and seek out the truth.
A realization that my 'faith' is no different than others, it contain mistakes as others, allow us to NOT feel special or superior compared to others. Such attitude will allows us to learn...It also cast away the pride which is within you and allow you to be humble which is the right pose to learn.
Learning is from mistakes, learning is from mistakes.
The ability for self-criticism shall discover our mistakes or the mistakes within faith itself which we have identified with ourselves thus we call it "our faith".That's why those who are proud and arrogant will never learn or grow, because he / she lacks the capability of realizing his / her own mistakes and/or learn from others.
But arrogant person still serves it purpose, they act as an example for the humble to learn from...
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No one is ignored by God..
Perhaps this is again due to 'expectation'?"You can't always get what you want, but you might find that you get what you need."
-- Mick Jaggeri know its bit difficult to understand what i am trying to say because everyone have different situations in life i will try telling you a situation so that it will be easy to answer that situation someone is facing..
example a person want to do work for his survival (food,cloths,rent) etc but due to restriction from authorities he/she is unable to do work and in this situation what all hes asking is "permission of work".
some of the examples are of those who are failed asylum seekers not allowed to do work and cant go back to their own countries and when their case is failed they are not entitled to any benefits from government and eventually they have option left to earn illegally where people treat them like modern slavery..
most of the cases its difficult for them to find a work, even if they find it somehow it wont long last that how they manage to live from the savings , whenever they apply for work it get refused which is covering your one point that sometimes we dont like the "answers".
what all he/she is asking is a permission of doing work not any wish or some expectations just a basic right ...
creator need to know his/her situation as he/she is asking from last many many years now how long creator want to delay his/her prayers for seeking a work ?
hes/she is willing to do work but he/she cant do it ? its like a kid dependent on parents want to eat food but parents refusing him and he eventually go outside on streets looking his food on chance basis/luck
at this point he/she will think either GOD is real or not the approach of agnostic feelings.
on top of that his golden young years are getting waste and what he/she need for life is getting more late like basic needs of making a family, a home , due to this he/she feel depression/tenshion @ extreme
NOTE other members can also input their insight i know lot of these type of cases not only failed asylum seekers but also people who are helpless in finding their way or they are blocked by something in life..
only if GOD wills can help them in those matters because its something like we say luck/chance/destiny etc
its kinda dangerous situation specially when he/she felt ignored by God on continuous basis one can think if God exist then he dnt wana help and if he dnt exist then its also not a good sign. due to which most of the times depression lead a person go astray ending up in using of drugs or mental illness or sometimes suicidal ..
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its kinda dangerous situation specially when he/she felt ignored by God on continuous basis one can think if God exist then he dnt wana help and if he dnt exist then its also not a good sign. due to which most of the times depression lead a person go astray ending up in using of drugs or mental illness or sometimes suicidal ..
Ah then this is related to depression...
Everyone went through some kind of depression during their short life on this earth.
It's normal and it's humane...But it has nothing to do with whether God exist or not discussion..
But let's dig up more on this depression...
What caused depression?
Depression caused by continuing difficulties – from long-term unemployment, living in an abusive or uncaring relationship, long-term isolation or loneliness, prolonged work stress etc..
We can summarize that depression is caused by continuing mismatched between expectation / desire and reality.Who experienced depression?
Nearly everyone at least on during some of their lifetime. Poor to Rich, Peasants to King..
A politician might suffer depression because he lost election 8 times, thus a mismatch definitely happened between his expectation / desire and reality.
When he finally won an election (he got what he desired for) he will face with gigantic problems and failures thus another mismatched happened between his expectation / desire and reality which might caused another depression.With the above description, perhaps you can now have a good idea on how to deal with depression? or should I say a "mismatch between expectation / desire and reality".
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Peace All.
Some thoughts about "suffering" in this world.It’s typical to think of the problem of evil like this we picture ourselves in this world of suffering; then we picture ourselves in a world with far less suffering. And then we wonder, “Shouldn’t God have created us in the other world – the world with far less suffering?”
That’s a reasonable thought. But it’s a thought that relies on a philosophical mistake. It relies on the assumption that it would still be you and me(as humans ) who would exist in that other world. And that is highly controversial.
First let s quote Isiah
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.”
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 558-9)We often wish we could take some piece of suffering out of our world while keeping everything else the same. But it doesn’t work that way. Changing anything changes everything, and everyone.
why then should we be surprised when some of God’s reasons are beyond what we can fully grasp?
Why didn’t God create a different world? Well, it depends on what God was after. It depends on what God values. And what if one of the things He values, values greatly, is you, and the people you love, and each person who will ever live?
Without the possibility of significant suffering, practically every great true story in history would be false.
No one would ever have made a significant sacrifice for anyone else. No great moments of forgiveness and reconciliation. No opportunities to stand for justice against injustice. No compassion (because nothing to be compassionate about), no courage (because no dangerous situations requiring courage), no heroes, no such thing as laying down one’s life for another.
Is it so obvious that God would create that world rather than our own? Why/
Criticism without alternative is empty. It’s easy to get mad at the world God has made. It’s much harder to say the world God should have made instead.
GOD bless.
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Even if the answer did come, why haven’t I been able to see it as an answer? What makes something an answer? How are you able to differentiate?
Indeed. Having no answer leads to a depressive state ... and I am right there. I am truly blessed in all other ways finances, family, support, anything you name I am more or less blessed. However, what I don’t have is what people call belief/faith. And it has taken away peace in all aspects of life. I have barely any will to move forward in life. I really don’t know what I should be doing to regain faith. God knows I am hanging on to a straw now.
@goodlogic
Thank you for your insightful words. They give me hope, but to really internalize all this I perhaps neef to arrive at this answer on my own. I am somewhat near it, though. But ofc my journey gets stalled by lack of faith and having no answers.