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Is Locking Down Nations the right option for Covid 19?

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    jkhan
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    Peace...

    But I do think otherwise...

    If doctors can work covering with masks and wearing gloves, why we can't work so...

    I can't see the people suffering who depended on daily wages... No one to help... Just everybody talking...
    If it continues locking in this manner people will die more than virus affected inside home..

    What's your opinion...

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      Lead a normal life, until we sense the danger within if any. For the old and persons with existing health issues, its better to reduce unnecessary travel and be healthy, pray, be good, no need to fear as everything is His plan.

      I think These lockdowns could help a little, but the underlying disease/virus could be the result of something entirely different and need not be what our mainstream medical & media says and believe.

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        good_logic
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        Peace jkhan.
        Lock down needs to be done responsibly.
        If governments are insisting on lock-down ,then they have to provide for the people, all the people.
        This is already happening in many countries, like UK... even in America.
        Otherwise , it is irresponsible to ask people to stay at home and let them starve. It is actually criminal.

        Governments have the means to provide for everyone for at least few months, there should be no excuses. It is in their own interest to do so to keep their system running, otherwise revolt and more chaos will follow.
        Some things are a blessing in disguise. May be this crisis will heal the racism and wars that are going on in the world and will show all the world that certain systems(like capitalism) is oppressive to the majority.
        But overall, you and I know that GOD is the true provider for the people..(directly and indirectly).
        Wa Ma Min Dabbatin Fi Al Ardi Illa Ala Allah Riskuha...
        That can include the humans.
        May the Lord provide for all the people in need.
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          jkhan
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          Lead a normal life, until we sense the danger within if any. For the old and persons with existing health issues, its better to reduce unnecessary travel and be healthy, pray, be good, no need to fear as everything is His plan.

          I think These lockdowns could help a little, but the underlying disease/virus could be the result of something entirely different and need not be what our mainstream medical & media says and believe.

          They don't lead a normal life... There are millions of people on this very Earth who earns daily and spend all to survive... How would they lead a normal. Life..

          Why would doctors work, are they super human and save another working community? If they can take risk why we can't in general?

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            jkhan
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            Peace jkhan.
            Lock down needs to be done responsibly.
            If governments are insisting on lock-down ,then they have to provide for the people, all the people.
            This is already happening in many countries, like UK... even in America.
            Otherwise , it is irresponsible to ask people to stay at home and let them starve. It is actually criminal.

            Governments have the means to provide for everyone for at least few months, there should be no excuses. It is in their own interest to do so to keep their system running, otherwise revolt and more chaos will follow.
            Some things are a blessing in disguise. May be this crisis will heal the racism and wars that are going on in the world and will show all the world that certain systems(like capitalism) is oppressive to the majority.
            But overall, you and I know that GOD is the true provider for the people..(directly and indirectly).
            Wa Ma Min Dabbatin Fi Al Ardi Illa Ala Allah Riskuha...
            That can include the humans.
            May the Lord provide for all the people in need.
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

            Who will act responsibly... I have no clue... They speak one thing and doing another.. They all in great confusion...
            No idea about western world but if it continues in poor nations like in India or Pakistan etc very soon looting will take place out scarcity of food and coz of no option... How can one lock down someone who earn daily for livelihood and not pay anything to him and open groceries for couple of hours and shut again...
            That's a disaster... Suppose if it continues for months, how long government can pay the poor.. From where the money comes...all lies.. Not practical...

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              good_logic
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              Is there a better alternative? What is it?
              Normal life in this case leads to more chaos and a meltdown of the health service!!!
              Imagine the cases just double daily ? How can hospitals and staff cope?
              Lock-down means less contact and less pressure on the health service.

              This virus grows through people contaminating other people either directly or through things they touched. The less contact with people ,the less contamination.
              The only way to slow the virus down is to apply "stay at home" policy for the population ,of course except key people _Doctors, nurses, transport,, admin for these ,social services and food.- Main essentials for life
              Or is there another way?
              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                jkhan
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                Is there a better alternative? What is it?
                Normal life in this case leads to more chaos and a meltdown of the health service!!!
                Imagine the cases just double daily ? How can hospitals and staff cope?
                Lock-down means less contact and less pressure on the health service.

                This virus grows through people contaminating other people either directly or through things they touched. The less contact with people ,the less contamination.
                The only way to slow the virus down is to apply "stay at home" policy for the population ,of course except key people _Doctors, nurses, transport,, admin for these ,social services and food.- Main essentials for life
                Or is there another way?
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

                For a longer period this locking down or curfew won't definitely workout... So.. If doctors can work covering with masks and wearing gloves, why we can't work so... Why can't we follow all the instructions of Health experts.. If what is the cause of spreading is through contacts... So... Educate people and let them comply and let them be involved in their day to day work... People are more concerned of scarcity essential food than Covid 19...this type of lock down only weaken the economy of nations to an extent where they cannot return to normal for a long period...
                Let's face the reality than hiding from it...
                That's why I don't mind what D Trump says... But spread in US is unacceptable coz they are careless...

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                  good_logic
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                  Peace jkhan.
                  Not practical for the whole population to use protective measures and go about their business. The spread of the virus will be just as effective .
                  Doctors and nurses are being contaminated regardless of the protection. Even with lock-downs and all it is doing is reducing the cases.

                  As for economy, the system was failing the majority anyway. So why not think of something different and more just. In a way this is forcing the world towards a compassionate and fair economy.
                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace.

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                    Cerberus
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                    They're locking down places in order for the virus not to propagate further and for those who have the virus to be identified and treated.
                    Not doing that means more and more people will catch it.

                    Now comes the real problem of third worlds countries. They cannot afford the cost of things aggravating. There are not enough hospitals and medical staff, these are already used on full capacity on average days. They are also barely equiped with what is necessary and they quickly run out of supplies and have to operate without them.

                    Quarantine is the only thing that can guarantee to minimize the spread of the virus.

                    The other problem with third world countries is the high percentage of impoverished people. Like you said, many people live every day on whatever they make that day. They barely have any savings, cannot pay their bills and they cannot make any money. They will struggle a lot and if the governments don't pay attention to them they will make noise and they should, that's how it works.

                    Meanwhile if you can look up NGOs that want to help the poor in your area then you can help them with your donations.

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                      hawk99
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                      Peace,

                      Yeah brothers & sisters please keep yourselves out of harms way.
                      As we can see these so called world powers are a pandemic away
                      from destruction as they decimate the planet, climate, reduce the animal
                      population, reduce the number of trees, and conduct lethal experiments
                      Protect yourselves as best you can.

                      peace

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                        Amra94
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                        I think people need warnings like this from time to time otherwise they transgress and exceed limits..

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                          jkhan
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                          I think people need warnings like this from time to time otherwise they transgress and exceed limits..

                          If it is warning we can't help... But how people are treated is so pathetic... In India poor people are treated so badly like animals ... Police hitting them.. Long queue for meals not for grocery I mean... I saw very young boys who came to city for construction works being treated by police and beaten... And they walk home which is 80 kms away.... They don't deserve this... ... Really heartfelt the way dealing.. But the same time helping is there as well

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                            ibn_a
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                            Salaam,

                            Coronavirus The Hammer and the Dance.

                            https//medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

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                              They don't lead a normal life... There are millions of people on this very Earth who earns daily and spend all to survive... How would they lead a normal. Life..

                              Why would doctors work, are they super human and save another working community? If they can take risk why we can't in general?

                              Yes its difficult if the Govt imposed strict lockdown measures and what you as individual can do?

                              But still we can lead a normal life, nothing is going to happen if we rest for a weak or so,
                              Take measures to prevent infections using your own home made food items,
                              Eat locally available or grown foods that you and your parents consider healthy, basic health care is not so costly as we are made to think, only if do not live in artificial environments in large cities without natural support.

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                                jkhan
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                                Yes its difficult if the Govt imposed strict lockdown measures and what you as individual can do?

                                But still we can lead a normal life, nothing is going to happen if we rest for a weak or so,
                                Take measures to prevent infections using your own home made food items,
                                Eat locally available or grown foods that you and your parents consider healthy, basic health care is not so costly as we are made to think, only if do not live in artificial environments in large cities without natural support.

                                Peace...
                                I understand you... But what is the point of staying at home for a weak... No value at all...
                                Let those who voluntarily willing to stay home, let them..coz staying home for them may not harm for their livelihood..
                                Let those compelled to work, work... Let those self employed, daily basis earning people etc be involved... But let them strictly follow what medical expert order to adhere in order not spread the virus...
                                Locking down everyone doesn't. make any sense that also for shorter period...
                                Soon or later people have to come out... When and with what warranty? How they can be called safe... So before it is too late everyone should be living normal life but with precautions and much care.. If having to stay home for months, then I am afraid that would only horrify the situation more than the virus...

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                                  Cerberus
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                                  Locking down everyone doesn't. make any sense that also for shorter period...

                                  it makes sense you just don't understand

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                                    jkhan
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                                    it makes sense you just don't understand

                                    Peace

                                    I do understand dear brother.. I know those worked out that staying at home may curb the spread of the virus.. They are much intelligent in doing so.. That's what China claim they did successfully... ... But all countries are not China... For example India... It has ordered 21 days of curfew... Do you get how big a challenge it is...
                                    Let's wait and see, lock down really works for controlling the contact of virus and the out come of it... I am sure, people will suffer for an unprecedented magnitude... Some countries will go to extreme level...

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                                      Peace

                                      I do understand dear brother.. I know those worked out that staying at home may curb the spread of the virus.. They are much intelligent in doing so.. That's what China claim they did successfully... ... But all countries are not China... For example India... It has ordered 21 days of curfew... Do you get how big a challenge it is...
                                      Let's wait and see, lock down really works for controlling the contact of virus and the out come of it... I am sure, people will suffer for an unprecedented magnitude... Some countries will go to extreme level...

                                      Working out or not, thats the way our medical science recommends,as per their theory on the origin and spread of this disease, but i think the climate plays an important role in this, like how the normal flu spreads up at certain months of the year in each country. So this is going to exists for long.

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                                        peace – it depends on accurate data % fatality of population which gets infected which right now without testing everyone it’s uncertain since there are people with no symptoms, mild, and critical.

                                        It’s same all over the world, India and China population ~1.4 billion each is ~140m dead hence 5% created a panic goal is to stop acceleration stretch the period not make it go away perhaps it lessens in summer.

                                        The other consideration due to numerous people having little to no or mild symptoms they have the infection rate wrong https//www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

                                        Coronavirus Cases
                                        542,146

                                        Deaths
                                        24,365

                                        24,365 / 542,146 = 4.5 % fatal mostly elderly with health problems

                                        What if 100 x more cases we don’t know about or .045% fatality?

                                        How Your Immune System Reacts to Coronavirus
                                        https//elemental.medium.com/this-is-how-your-immune-system-reacts-to-coronavirus-cbf5271e530e

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                                          jkhan
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                                          peace – it depends on accurate data % fatality of population which gets infected which right now without testing everyone it’s uncertain since there are people with no symptoms, mild, and critical.

                                          It’s same all over the world, India and China population ~1.4 billion each is ~140m dead hence 5% created a panic goal is to stop acceleration stretch the period not make it go away perhaps it lessens in summer.

                                          The other consideration due to numerous people having little to no or mild symptoms they have the infection rate wrong https//www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

                                          Coronavirus Cases
                                          542,146

                                          Deaths
                                          24,365

                                          24,365 / 542,146 = 4.5 % fatal mostly elderly with health problems

                                          What if 100 x more cases we don’t know about or .045% fatality?

                                          How Your Immune System Reacts to Coronavirus
                                          https//elemental.medium.com/this-is-how-your-immune-system-reacts-to-coronavirus-cbf5271e530e

                                          Peace..

                                          That's the basic... Test as much as possible... Without testing and locking them down makes a perfect atmosphere to nourish the virus..
                                          Suppose I am infected and not being tested, I am without knowledge transmitting to everyone at home.. So the purpose of locking down will be in vain..
                                          Testing is not an easy task for every nation.. But By locking them down it's inevitable that more infected cases will be rising...

                                          Can any nation say that no one is infected without having comprehensively tested.. How do we know every death which takes place is due to what unless they are tested..

                                          Specially developing and under developed nations never tests but only testing those who arrived from abroad.. But locals are not tested.. But locked down...
                                          What they anticipate????

                                          See the difference testing in USA... Had they avoided testing, they would have been very lower in the list of infected..

                                          Had China tested all its people.. .?
                                          Hoe many people die in a day all over the world.. Will those nations who locked will tell they died as a result of Covid 19.. I am afraid..
                                          Notice the drastic lower cases in Japan... Do you think it is the actual data... That's so far-fetching...
                                          Nations can test without locking down but ordering to adhere with medical experts and wearing proper ppe...

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