Proof for the existence of an Almighty/Omnipotent being
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Peace jafar.
Some things you say do not make sense to me, like, quote"Of course the contrast exist, it's all part of creation, and actually also a finite part of the infinite creator."
How do you know the infinite creator has finite parts? Describe all the parts?Like which parts of the whole?
If you go in circles and tell me creation are part of the creator, you need to say which part?Or may be you do not see your real contrast?
GOD bless you.
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How do you know the infinite creator has finite parts?
Look inside yourselves and see.
As Lao Tse has written more than 2500 years ago.Describe all the parts?Like which parts of the whole?
If you go in circles and tell me creation are part of the creator, you need to say which part?All creation are indeed part of the creator.
You are part of the creator..
That iconic figure who fed up with separation and sing I wanted to be free is part of the creator.Dogs, Cats, Pigs, Plants, Cells, Bacteria, Viruses, Rocks, Atom, Galaxy, Black Hole, Stars, Space, Time are part of the creator. Zillions of other universes than this one that we currently living in are part of the creator.
Conjure up anything in your mind, it's all part of the creator.Shed all of your ego (which act as a separator between the "I" and the "Others) and you will be unified the creator and finally experienced it yourselves.
But if you're not "ready yet" and "cannot grasped the concept" yet.. it's also ok, the creator will not punished you or angry at you... because you are part of the creator.
And when there's some body or some thing who forced you to believe in things and threatened you if you refuse you will be punished and tortured, than that 'thing' is definitely not the creator but still a part of the creator. A part of the creator who think that it's possible to be separated from the creator.
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Peace jafar.
Gobbledygook, nonsense to me this,quote"But if you're not "ready yet" and "cannot grasped the concept" yet.. it's also ok, the creator will not punished you or angry at you... because you are part of the creator."
How does one grasp your concept?
So when I say you do not grasp and when you say I should grasp?
Or shall I just grasp my understanding and you grasp yours?
Or am I unfair and you are not?
Or because you say so brother jafar. Or can the infinite creator not have infinite parts?
This rules me out, you can stay part of your infinite creator if you want.
I pass.
GOD bless you.
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Or can the infinite creator not have infinite parts?
Definitely the "parts" are infinite..
This rules me out, you can stay part of your infinite creator if you want.I pass.
Our infinite creator
As advised, you should start from yourselves.
Pondered "Who or What Am I?"In reality, good logic doesn't exist, good logic is merely a manifestation of it's creator on this forum.
There's a consciousness behind good logic who has identified itself to become good logic on this forum.The consciousness feels happy when somebody praised good logic, The consciousness are 'angry' when somebody insulted good logic. It happened because the consciousness has identify or associate itself with a character that doesn't really exist named good logic.
good logic will die, it can be because
- the consciousness behind it has projected it's focus elsewhere.
- this forum has died.
- murdered by the admin of this forum
- the consciousness behind the consciousness behind good logic projected it's focus elsewhere. We call this phenomenon "physical death".
Once the consciousness behind good logic has shed one (among many) of it's identity, what lies beyond it?
The consciousness behind good logic will also die, it's a certainty, such moment is not the end but it will be a moment of revelation for him. As he has experienced the shedding of good logic and also the shedding of identity behind good logic.
Thus this process of 'dis-association' or 'disbandment' of identities, of the ego, of the "I", will progress further and further.. until there will be no more "I" to shed, no more ego to shed.
Feel free to change good logic to jafar or to any other avatar's name on this forum, as the evolutionary process is pretty much the same.
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Our mind and imagination is entirely dependent on existence. Existence determines what things are possible or not. Since we are entirely dependent on existence we cannot think or imagine beyond or outside of existence. So imagination is bound by existence and it is existence that makes things possible or not. To prove this, try and think or imagine something that is meaningful and coherent that has never existed and can never exist.
Think about it, if it's hypothetically impossible (as in it can never exist and has never existed) how can your mind or imagination go beyond or outside of existence when there is nothing outside of existence and your imagination is entirely dependent on existence?
If you could imagine impossibilities (something or a state of affairs that has never existed and can never exist), then you should at least be able to give me one example.
Dear all...
Peace...
Without knowing the existence of our Creator it's worthless all our actions towards the alleged imaginary Creator/s...
Some are mentally confident that there is a creator behind all these otherwise perfection of this existence of nature is impossible... They claim..@ Nimnim...
I don't agree with you..
People can think of impossible things and even make it real and make it valid and make it the accepted truth... Which in the end never do exist..Best example.. this Universe as how they claim... Is it true what they say? Can anyone accept it without any single doubt in them? Have they seen it? Or imagination became reality with deception?
Now what is impossible here? Stationary Earth or the Universe which
no one has seen and would never see.. Which one is lie? So one or the other is impossible imagination.. But made it possible..Let me turn to the point existence of God... It is not mandatory that everyone on Earth say that God does exist.. If so no need to fill hell..
For me simply my birth my body my soul my life and my certain death is more than enough to convince that there is God... Let that be with me..
But for those who is in serious doubt of existence of God... I recommend to explore the Earth and heavens ..do they exist? Yes they do... any doubt? Honestly in my total understanding if this universe is as the NASA and majority claim then I can't even imagine a God behind it... That's incontrovertible... Coz those who claim Universe say that it doesn't need a Creator.. Then why believe in universe which they made you to believe and still claim God created it? Useless creation never could be explored... Never meaningful and never beneficial to us.. No purpose.. We will die without knowing it for sure... This verse 3827 and identical verses are clear meaningless if so.."We have not created the heavens and earth, and what between them is, for vanity; such is the thought of the unbelievers, wherefore woe unto the unbelievers because of the Fire"
But if we are within a closed chamber without being able to escape out of it then there is much meaning that someone is controlling the closed chamber... So we are in fact slaves inside... But with freedom...
So dear brothers and sisters... Explore neutrally whether we are living in a controlled closed chamber or in a universe which has no boundaries... Once you have much knowledge on it then compare the verses of Quran or Torah or Veda some of the oldest known books claimed from God... Find out what exactly those books explain about the whole world... If you research and those books claims go inline then it is up to you to believe in God.. If your research and what those books claims contradictory then it is your choice to believe there is no God..
BTW if your research results are universe which is far-fetching coz you can't research universe and if books also says universe which is also never provable within books..then remain in it thinking God created universe and book also claim so..After all we have these Earth and heavens only OR we have a Universe?
Find answer to it then you will know whether God exists or not..
Coz after all God promises He created non other but Earth and heavens only...Such a meaningless claim by God to say I created the Earth and heavens and whatever between them, if universe is reality...thats so manifest it is meaningless verse if one studied according to science what universe is. If universe is true I am ready to discard God... But it is impossible coz Universe doesn't exist..
God and universe never matching... Coz He claimed He created the Earth and heavens with purpose then what is the purpose of Universe..where do we live in universe? He created a universe to keep us on a tiny mote.. Ridiculous purpose .. Is that the purpose of creation.. Such a shame.
Is it Hidden purpose? Why to tell His hidden purpose to us? Nothing is hidden..
Reality is all is visible all what we see is entire earth and heavens nothing is hidden... What is hidden is where we cannot reach.. 5533-35 is clear.. We can't even go to certain part of this very earth and its heavens.. Such a closed chamber... Can anyone logically think of a place on this spherical Earth where we cannot go and if we go flame of fire and smoke will chase us which we cannot overcome? Ridiculous according to ball Earth.. There is no such place on spherical earth.. Is that impossible imagination..
That's worthy research.. If you don't find in ball earth then quran is Lieing...
Unfortunately massive deception almost making it look absolute truth... Such a shame... -
Peace jafar.
Again let me show you why I do not grasp what you say ,because you contradict yourself.Here is what you said in your last post, quote
"Definitely the "parts" are INFINITE."
And here is what you said before that. quote
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"Of course the contrast exist, it's all part of creation, and actually also a FINITE part of the infinite creator."Now you are probably going to say that the infinite creator has parts that are FINITE and others that are INFINITE.
And then I should just "grasp" it.Well, you are right. If according to you, good logic is both FINITE and INFINITE, then he does not exist, because this is an impossibility!!!
GOD bless you brother.
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@ Nimnim...
I don't agree with you..
People can think of impossible things and even make it real and make it valid and make it the accepted truth... Which in the end never do exist..Best example.. this Universe as how they claim... Is it true what they say? Can anyone accept it without any single doubt in them? Have they seen it? Or imagination became reality with deception?
Now what is impossible here? Stationary Earth or the Universe which
no one has seen and would never see.. Which one is lie? So one or the other is impossible imagination.. But made it possible..You have't given an example of something impossible. In some other reality where the laws are different, you may well have a stationary earth.
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Definitely the "parts" are infinite..
Our infinite creatorAs advised, you should start from yourselves.
Pondered "Who or What Am I?"In reality, good logic doesn't exist, good logic is merely a manifestation of it's creator on this forum.
There's a consciousness behind good logic who has identified itself to become good logic on this forum.Peace Jafar
This is one hundred the philosophy of Hinduism and other eastern religions. Everything is "Maya" unreal and the reality exists in you.Like them,you are short distance away from worshipping everything and anything you fancy because the divine is in everything and everyone.Ibn Arabi and Sufis must have picked up similar doctrines from eastern religions.
Can you give me some examples from the quran to support your doctrine.The revealed texts are clear that the creator and the creation can never be the same and both are real.if this leads to a duality,,so be it.
RegardsThe consciousness feels happy when somebody praised good logic, The consciousness are 'angry' when somebody insulted good logic. It happened because the consciousness has identify or associate itself with a character that doesn't really exist named good logic.
good logic will die, it can be because
- the consciousness behind it has projected it's focus elsewhere.
- this forum has died.
- murdered by the admin of this forum
- the consciousness behind the consciousness behind good logic projected it's focus elsewhere. We call this phenomenon "physical death".
Once the consciousness behind good logic has shed one (among many) of it's identity, what lies beyond it?
The consciousness behind good logic will also die, it's a certainty, such moment is not the end but it will be a moment of revelation for him. As he has experienced the shedding of good logic and also the shedding of identity behind good logic.
Thus this process of 'dis-association' or 'disbandment' of identities, of the ego, of the "I", will progress further and further.. until there will be no more "I" to shed, no more ego to shed.
Feel free to change good logic to jafar or to any other avatar's name on this forum, as the evolutionary process is pretty much the same.