I am going to apostate
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I dont even know in which category i fall. Quranism doesn't make sense to me. Neither does hadiths. While i fully believe that hadiths are anti Qur'an, this Quran alone is not doing it for me. I am not able to find any firm ground here. There is no stability in Quranism. Yall are open to follow any interpretation of Quran and that is i guess is the negative point of this whole movement. I became Ahle Quran to learn the laws of Allah correctly, but this has distorted my faith more than ever. I feel so disconnected from Allah, my faith is totally gone, it's like I know God exists but my belief in it is waning. What do i do, i feel like I am losing my mind. I am so confused and nothing is making sense to it. I feel like I am about to apostate. I read Quran but it doesn't do anything for me. I think the only thing that is stopping me is the fear of hell and say of Judgement. Can yall just tell me if i become a deist or monotheist but donot follow any religion ( not even Islam and Quran ) will i go to hell according to Quran ? I am just tired of not finding any answer from Quran. I just feel like the true religion of God should have a clear message that should resonate with the whole mankind. Quran doesn't calls to my soul with some of its verses. I don't get why would God hate any lgbtq+ ( and i am not here to start any discussion on it, on my last post already someone judged me for it and made me feel that i am looking for excuses to transgress against Quran ), i just dont understand it. Yeah we can use the argument that Allah is using it for test then why not make every person a homosexual and then test them ? Why is Allah unfair to some. Why would Allah call himself fair and just and do something like this.
Then comes the fact that Quran is just not at all clear whether we have to take it literally or not. Again my issue is, is there any set of laws given by Allah or not ?
If Allah is clear in his words why most of the messages are unclear .What is salat ?
Is alcohol forbidden ?
Is hajj obligatory or not ?
Does god forbid all kind of sex except penis-vagina sex or does all kinds of sexual act is permissible between husband and wife.
Is abortion is haram or is it permissible ?
Is the story of Lut forbidding homosexuality or is it condemning raping and oppression ?
Quran tells you to wear hijab and abaya too or Quran only tells you to lower the garments and cover the bosom ?These are not the only cases where yall disagree with each other. Quranism has confused me more than the hadiths because at least it was apparent that a man made book would be unclear and full of contradictions but why is that we cannot agree at anything when it comes to the book of God ? I am one step away from having a full mental breakdown. The stress is weighing down on me and affecting me physically, mentally and emotionally. I came to this forum to find answers. I am just left with more confusion and questions. I am tired of following something which doesn't makes sense to me. I love God, i believe in him, i just don't believe anymore that Quran is the answer for me. It is my fear of judgement day only that has been keeping me from finally accepting myself as deist and leaving behind all the religion. I just want to know whether a deist is also considered a believer according to Quran, or am I disbeliever for abandoning Quran but still believing in God ?
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Peace Sania Haque.
Regardless of religion,hadith ,Qoran...
You say you believe in GOD. What does "GOD" mean to you? Which of the following do you understand about GOD?
GOD s attributes
GOD can work/communicate/answer you
You can connect with GOD.
GOD just exist but does not do anything .with anyone.
What is GOD s role in our life?For me if we believe in GOD,then surely we need to value GOD as He should be valued.. If GOD is all knowing, ever living, omnipresent...etc why not try GOD to see if GOD answers you?
If GOD cannot answer you and help you , then one should not believe that an Almighty GOD capable of doing anything including helping a human exist.
GOD says "When my servant ask about ME, tell them I am near I answer the call of anyone who calls ME."
I tell you no one can answer you better than GOD.
Go ahead you have a direct line.
GOD bless you.
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Dear friend;
You must read only Quran...
But you are reading human articles again.
Why?
Please read the Quran only.
Peace
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What is salat ?
Even 7 years in, I can't answer this question with Qur'an alone. It seems more like salat was a cultural practice that everyone knew of in the Arabian penisula at that time, so the Qur'an did not bother explaining it. Keeping this in mind, just proceed to do salat as is customarily done, and make necessary modifications as the Qur'an recommends.
Is alcohol forbidden ?
Yes, because the Qur'an asks us to shun intoxicants(590), and alcohol is intoxicating.
Is hajj obligatory or not ?
Not obligatory, but enjoined.
Does god forbid all kind of sex except penis-vagina sex or does all kinds of sexual act is permissible between husband and wife.
Qur'an is silent on these issues. It leaves it to your discretion.
Is abortion is haram or is it permissible ?
Yes. The Qur'an forbid killing your children. The fetus is a child.
Is the story of Lut forbidding homosexuality or is it condemning raping and oppression ?
I don't know about the story of Lot. But Qur'an condemns homosexual affairs in 416.
Quran tells you to wear hijab and abaya too or Quran only tells you to lower the garments and cover the bosom?
It only tells you to cover your bosom. Period. All of this boils down to logical deduction. The word 'khimar' in Arabic was a rectangular piece of cloth that the Arabs loosely wore on their heads or neck or chest. One can put a khimar over their head while still exposing much hair. If hair must be covered, then it would've been written, "draw their khimar over their hair and bosom."
The idea that those women were wearing the khimar airtight over their heads and neck as today Muslim women before they were then told to draw it over their bosom, is dumb.
The stress is weighing down on me and affecting me physically, mentally and emotionally. I came to this forum to find answers. I am just left with more confusion and questions. I am tired of following something which doesn't makes sense to me. I love God, i believe in him, i just don't believe anymore that Quran is the answer for me.
Then feel free to quit. Here is the thing, the Qur'an has its limitations. In principles, it can work well to advice your life choices, but its decrees and theories on nature may seem dated and false. This is the cold harsh truth.
There is no flawless religion or scripture, atheism, deism, Islam, Christianity, every position is flawed. I too had my issues last year, and could've left Islam, but I realized that it didn't matter what I left Islam for, I was always going to have to deal with flaws.
And so at long last, I resolved to stay in Islam and just practice it to my taste. This is my advice to anyone thinking of apostasy. I don't let judgmental Muslims bully me into blindly accepting verses or interpretation that makes no sense to me. If anyone accuses me of "transgressing the Qur'an," I simply remind them of the limitations of the Qur'an, such as the passages on science that seem to falsely imply the embryo is a blood clot or that the upper atmosphere is a solid dome.
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Did you bother reading this reply?
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611211.msg431467#msg431467As I said, I cannot do it. I am always paralysed by the fear that I might be making wrong interpretation of Quran. Any person who is going to interpretate Quran for themselves, they will be biased. At least every person should agree on the laws of Quran. The fear of hell, and transgressing against Allah and Quran has been instilled so much in me that i cannot make my own choice. I need Quran to be clear so that I can follow it without any anxiety eating me up
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Peace Sania Haque.
Regardless of religion,hadith ,Qoran...
You say you believe in GOD. What does "GOD" mean to you? Which of the following do you understand about GOD?
GOD s attributes
GOD can work/communicate/answer you
You can connect with GOD.
GOD just exist but does not do anything .with anyone.
What is GOD s role in our life?For me if we believe in GOD,then surely we need to value GOD as He should be valued.. If GOD is all knowing, ever living, omnipresent...etc why not try GOD to see if GOD answers you?
If GOD cannot answer you and help you , then one should not believe that an Almighty GOD capable of doing anything including helping a human exist.
GOD says "When my servant ask about ME, tell them I am near I answer the call of anyone who calls ME."
I tell you no one can answer you better than GOD.
Go ahead you have a direct line.
GOD bless you.
Peace.I believe in God. I believe that he answers to everyone who invokes him. I also believe that he has limited involvement in our life. He has left human to do according to their will. It's just that God's book is not making sense to me. That's what i am asking. Will God send me to hell for abandoning his book ( even if i am a believer and righteous ).
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Dear friend;
You must read only Quran...
But you are reading human articles again.
Why?
Please read the Quran only.
Peace
Oh I am trying to read Quran everyday, but am I not reading the interpretation of Quran written by a man himself ?
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Even 7 years in, I can't answer this question with Qur'an alone. It seems more like salat was a cultural practice that everyone knew of in the Arabian penisula at that time, so the Qur'an did not bother explaining it. Keeping this in mind, just proceed to do salat as is customarily done, and make necessary modifications as the Qur'an recommends.
Yes, because the Qur'an asks us to shun intoxicants(590), and alcohol is intoxicating.
Not obligatory, but enjoined.
Qur'an is silent on these issues. It leaves it to your discretion.
Yes. The Qur'an forbid killing your children. The fetus is a child.
I don't know about the story of Lot. But Qur'an condemns homosexual affairs in 416.
It only tells you to cover your bosom. Period. All of this boils down to logical deduction. The word 'khimar' in Arabic was a rectangular piece of cloth that the Arabs loosely wore on their heads or neck or chest. One can put a khimar over their head while still exposing much hair. If hair must be covered, then it would've been written, "draw their khimar over their hair and bosom."
The idea that those women were wearing the khimar airtight over their heads and neck as today Muslim women before they were then told to draw it over their bosom, is dumb.
Then feel free to quit. Here is the thing, the Qur'an has its limitations. In principles, it can work well to advice your life choices, but its decrees and theories on nature may seem dated and false. This is the cold harsh truth.
There is no flawless religion or scripture, atheism, deism, Islam, Christianity, every position is flawed. I too had my issues last year, and could've left Islam, but I realized that it didn't matter what I left Islam for, I was always going to have to deal with flaws.
And so at long last, I resolved to stay in Islam and just practice it to my taste. This is my advice to anyone thinking of apostasy. I don't let judgmental Muslims bully me into blindly accepting verses or interpretation that makes no sense to me. If anyone accuses me of "transgressing the Qur'an," I simply remind them of the limitations of the Qur'an, such as the passages on science that seem to falsely imply the embryo is a blood clot or that the upper atmosphere is a solid dome.
What about abortion before the fetus is formed ? When it remains just a mass of cell ?
I read some of the articles and they said alcohol is only forbidden if it causes intoxication. People can have one glass of red wine and can even use it in food
Other said that Allah made penis and vagina as the sex organ, so it is common sense Allah is only talking about vaginal sex in Quran and others prohibited. Also, there is a verse which said we should avoid indeceny which are both visible and hidden. They claim all kind of sex except vaginal sex and masturbation comes under hidden indecency.
Can you explain 416, isn't it talking about adultery and its punishment ?As i said i have immense fear of misinterpreting laws of Allah and transgressing against Quran. At the same time it doesn't make sense to me either. I feel like instead of following Something wrong i should follow nothing at all. If monotheism is what the main message of Quran then I already believe in the day of Judgement and that God is one. I feel like the label of muslim is weighing down on me ( in today's time muslim doesn't mean submitter to God. Now it has taken a form of submitter to a specific religion called Islam. Now Islam doesn't just mean submission to God. It means submission to the Quran ). Plus muslims have a long way to go before they let go of arrogance and bullying. The mainstream muslims are sectarians. Forget about hadiths, if I try to explain my opinion on some verse of Quran they would start the name calling. These people have created such a bad image of Islam that i hate being associated with them. I donot fit in a sectarian world and the Quran alone is not doing it for me. I believe in God. I believe that Quran is the word of God. It's just that the words of God is not making any sense to me. I just dont want to end up in hell for abandoning Quran.
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As I said, I cannot do it. I am always paralysed by the fear that I might be making wrong interpretation of Quran. Any person who is going to interpretate Quran for themselves, they will be biased. At least every person should agree on the laws of Quran. The fear of hell, and transgressing against Allah and Quran has been instilled so much in me that i cannot make my own choice. I need Quran to be clear so that I can follow it without any anxiety eating me up
That's wrong dear... So you want someone else on this earth to translate the Quran or if Arab explain it to all believers so that we all surrender to his understanding.... that's why we see hadith.. Do you copy what I say.. Coz people wanted to give a picture of Quran in their own way so ended in inventing hadith..
That's not logical... God kept QURAN as miracle.. No one will be able to explain it in its entirety.. God only will explain to whome He will...
Definitely true believers who deserve to enter Janna will choose right meaning of Quran.. Coz choosing wrong meaning means going against God literally... So.. Dear little sister don't beg from others to guide you.. Look yourself. .it is in you.. It is between you and your Lord the guidance ...but yearn for it truly.. God won't discard his true believers...What you search for will never come true... I mean a Quran translated so everyone to follow as it is translated... Who can do that? Who is he? Who authorized him so?...
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As I said, I cannot do it.
Correction you choose not to do it.
Big difference between "I cannot do" and "I will not do".
The irony is what I said in those links is not really controversial and very little disagreement about it. It seems you are expecting to understand everything in Quran based islam in an instant manner. Doesn't work like that. Let me quote you something from my story
Even though I had effectively accepted The Quran as the only source for Islam, I hadn't realised to what extent tradition/culture had been incorporated into everyday practice/beliefs. This point in the journey is not for the faint-hearted! Many Traditional Muslims will accept that not all Traditional Ahadith can be trusted (hence weak/strong classification etc) and most will state The Quran is the primary source but like many I had no idea that the Islam taught by The Quran was almost unrecogniseable to the Islam practiced today.
This is where many end the journey. This part requires someone to actively study/seek/research/question their own beliefs as well as their family/friends etc. It requires the breaking down of myths, embracing uncertainty, periods of confusion mixed with joy and clarity, rebuilding of ideas... who would want to put themselves through that? Not many. The more I researched, the more dissilusioned, confused, lost I became. It is important to point out it was not because it didn't make sense, it was because it was shaking my beliefs down to the ground. It was just so different and unexpected to what I had been taught. Slowly but surely I began to connect the dots and see the big picture. I now realise it was necessary to break down my beliefs and rebuild on a solid foundation . Like most I started with a core starting point (belief in God) but had built upon it a mixture of Islam+tradition+culture+myths+hearsay+bias. This was not a solid strucutre, so I began to dismantle it using the ultimate falsehood smasher The Quran. Akin to how a sculptor does not keep adding clay to his subject, actually, he strips away the inessentials until its true form is revealed, and the truth is beautiful. -
What about abortion before the fetus is formed ? When it remains just a mass of cell ?
I read some of the articles and they said alcohol is only forbidden if it causes intoxication. People can have one glass of red wine and can even use it in food
Other said that Allah made penis and vagina as the sex organ, so it is common sense Allah is only talking about vaginal sex in Quran and others prohibited. Also, there is a verse which said we should avoid indeceny which are both visible and hidden. They claim all kind of sex except vaginal sex and masturbation comes under hidden indecency.
Can you explain 416, isn't it talking about adultery and its punishment ?As i said i have immense fear of misinterpreting laws of Allah and transgressing against Quran. At the same time it doesn't make sense to me either. I feel like instead of following Something wrong i should follow nothing at all. If monotheism is what the main message of Quran then I already believe in the day of Judgement and that God is one. I feel like the label of muslim is weighing down on me ( in today's time muslim doesn't mean submitter to God. Now it has taken a form of submitter to a specific religion called Islam. Now Islam doesn't just mean submission to God. It means submission to the Quran ). Plus muslims have a long way to go before they let go of arrogance and bullying. The mainstream muslims are sectarians. Forget about hadiths, if I try to explain my opinion on some verse of Quran they would start the name calling. These people have created such a bad image of Islam that i hate being associated with them. I donot fit in a sectarian world and the Quran alone is not doing it for me. I believe in God. I believe that Quran is the word of God. It's just that the words of God is not making any sense to me. I just dont want to end up in hell for abandoning Quran.
Dear, for this thread what you have written, all I have to say is.. Don't find the rights and wrongs and beliefs of others, try to find out how you unearth the right path for yourself .. It means logically try to find and be convinced that you are on right track .. Once you solve it, you will know who is right and who is wrong (bit unnecessary but still you will know) .. At present you don't know where you stand when it comes to truth but keep saying about all other groups as if you have found the ultimate truth...
So all I can say is hunt for truth...
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Peace,
I'm going to apostate
That's ok, but depending where you live, and whether freedom of thought or freedom of religion is accepted or not, you might have to do "taqqyia" to dissimulate your disbelief like a person from the entourage of Pharaoh had to dissimulate his belief.
Quranism doesn't make sense to me.
Indeed it doesn't.
Neither does hadiths.
Indeed they don't.
(...) I read Quran but it doesn't do anything for me. I think the only thing that is stopping me is the fear of hell and say of Judgement. Can yall just tell me if i become a deist or monotheist but donot follow any religion ( not even Islam and Quran ) will i go to hell according to Quran ? I am just tired of not finding any answer from Quran.
I will tell you the source of your troubles, and it explains why you are neither satisfied by mainstream Islam nor by Quranism, and why it's understandable to feel troubles.
The source of the problems and the kind of questions you are raising deeply lies into the mainstream narrative of the origins of Qur'an and Islam.
According to this narrative, Prophet Muhammad received the Revelation of Allah, the Qur'an, to restore pure Abrahamic monotheism that was turned into polytheism by Quraysh at Mekka and to correct false Bible and false Gospels that were corrupted by Jews and Christians.
Then Prophet Muhammad had to wage jihad against a heterogeneous coalition of polytheists, Jews, and maybe Christians, who denied his revelation. He successfully regained Mekka. After his death, his successors, the four "righteous" caliphs continued his work in order to spread Islam in the world.Nothing could be further from historical reality than this narrative.
First of all, there is no historical trace of Islam as religion, at least under the form we know today, during the major part of the 7th CE.
It's only at the end of the 7th CE that we start to see some historical artifacts that could be linked to an emerging Islam.Joseph Schacht in his book, the Origins of the Muhammadean Jurisprudence, showed how the Islamic jurisprudence progressively emerged by the fusion of various traditions (the "sunnahs".
He also showed how the early scholars felt embarrassed by Qur'an as it often contradicted number of traditions that people felt to trace back to companions of the Prophet.A bundle of clues therefore militates for a history of the origins of Qur'an far different from the mainstream Islamic narrative.
It is really unfortunate to read in this forum and other Qur'an alone writers so many prejudices and biases against the Jewish and Christian Scriptures, how those were corrupted by Jews and Christians despite total lack of proof, and despising the study of those Scriptures, even though Qur'an refers to those Scriptures and is unreadable without them.
None stands on anything solid about understanding Qur'an if he doesn't understand the ancient Jewish thought first.
It is this ancient Jewish thought that gives the enlightening to the kind of questions about Qur'an you are raising and more.In addition, study of Gnosticism (e.g. http//www.gnosis.org/gnintro.htm) reveals that the author (or maybe authorS) had particular acquaintances with a Gnostic milieu.
It is this Gnostic milieu that is qualified as "alladhina kafaru" in Qur'an, not polytheism. Historical studies show that polytheism was disappearing in Arabia at the end of the 6th CE, so if Allah decided to send a book to call polytheists to the true faith, why all this fuss for something on the point to vanish ? It would have sufficed for Allah to wait for a couple of years more.It would be too long to explain why but in general, Qur'an was written because there was a revolution taking place in Middle East in the first half of the 7th CE, and favored by the weakening of the two great empires the Byzantium and Persia. This revolution originated from a Gnostic milieu, and had messianic grounds (in the ancient Jewish thought, when the biggest empires are fighting each others, this is the prelude to the world to come / hereafter, i.e. the coming of the messianic era).
In this context, the author of Qur'an was a fierce opponent to the modalities of this revolution.
And because of this revolutionary context, the author of Qur'an is most particularly concerned with how to setup a correct ethics and laws (this is called the "din" in Qur'an), and that the direction ("huda" chosen by his opponents was, in his opinion, the wrong one.Outside this particular revolutionary context in Arabia in the 7th CE, Qur'an hardly makes sense for practice and trying to apply it anyway leads to the kind of troubles you are experiencing.
Nevertheless, and provided it is correctly understood, Qur'an still remains an interesting treatise on how the establishment of the laws in a religious context to be read like any other treatise on that subject of Ancient times.I just want to know whether a deist is also considered a believer according to Quran, or am I disbeliever for abandoning Quran but still believing in God ?
Well, the "alladhina kafaru" were not polytheists, they believed in the same god as the author of Qur'an. They just believed that salvation could only come by knowing intimately the invisible realm of god, and that this knowledge could only be gained through intermediate entities, like angels, jinns or even messengers. This is exactly the Gnostic faith.
In addition, Gnostics believed that this lowly world was inherently bad, and that anything that had as purpose to organize it was bad as well. And this includes laws.
For Gnostics, laws were certainly needed somehow, but they were a mean for the soul to remain attached to the lowly world and therefore prevent it to gain salvation through knowledge of the invisible world.On the contrary, for the author of Qur'an, salvation must come through a correct ethics and laws and he explains at length that it is exactly what is explained in the past Scriptures that his opponents believed in.
As far as I'm concerned, I agree with the author of Qur'an that salvation of mankind comes through a correct ethics and that this ethics is not so simple to setup, but my difference is that the ethics advocated in Qur'an is simply completely outdated nowadays.
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Oh I am trying to read Quran everyday, but am I not reading the interpretation of Quran written by a man himself ?
Read only Quran.
Not interpretation. Not read false Bible (false Torah and Gospels.They are hadith boks).
Read only Quran please.
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Read only Quran.
Not interpretation. Not read false Bible (false Torah and Gospels.They are hadith boks).
Read only Quran please.
Huh ? What's the point of reading Quran if I'm not going to understand it ? I dont even know arabic ( i know how to read it but I don't understand it's meaning ) So i should just recite Quran without knowing what I am even reciting?
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Peace Anoushirvan.
You say ,quote
"It would be too long to explain why but in general, Qur'an was written because there was a revolution taking place in Middle East in the first half of the 7th CE, and favored by the weakening of the two great empires the Byzantium and Persia. This revolution originated from a Gnostic milieu, and had messianic grounds (in the ancient Jewish thought, when the biggest empires are fighting each others, this is the prelude to the world to come / hereafter, i.e. the coming of the messianic era).In this context, the author of Qur'an was a fierce opponent to the modalities of this revolution.
And because of this revolutionary context, the author of Qur'an is most particularly concerned with how to setup a correct ethics and laws (this is called the "din" in Qur'an), and that the direction ("huda" chosen by his opponents was, in his opinion, the wrong one.Outside this particular revolutionary context in Arabia in the 7th CE, Qur'an hardly makes sense for practice and trying to apply it anyway leads to the kind of troubles you are experiencing.
Nevertheless, and provided it is correctly understood, Qur'an still remains an interesting treatise on how the establishment of the laws in a religious context to be read like any other treatise on that subject of Ancient times."I have few questions for you if you do not mind
1- Who wrote(authored) Qoran and where exactly in the middle east? Please provide some kind of solid evidence ?
2- Give a brief history of the author who was a fierce opponent of the modality of this revolution?
3-Was Qoran then just for that era?
4- How can Qoran be correctly understood by everybody like you seem to suggest?
Thank you in advance.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Sania Haque.
Here is a list of the problems I had with Qoran that I am trying to solve for at least 10/11 years1-Why so many different interpretations? Where is the easy/straight forward interpretation that some of its verses talk about?
2- Why send Qoran in Arabic only when it is intended for all the world? Is that fair on the French,English...etc?
3-Why does GOD not send it to us straight to our brains/mind individually like the instinct of right and wrong?
4-How can GOD expect us to work with Him when we cannot see or communicate( I thought that was not possible) with Him?
5-Why am I drawn to this book when I try to read it? Why even bother with it if it is not making sense to me now?
6- Why am I frustrated with this book,I wish I never set eyes on it? Why waste my time and effort ,I have a life to lead and friends to keep?And the questions kept rolling every time I picked Qoran to have another browse
7-Why am I even bothering even picking it up when I still see no sense with the majority of its verses?After few weeks I am back to picking this book again,just to make sure a "eurika moment" appear or like I am developing a conscious towards "at least have another look"
Then my questions took a different approach and I started again
1-Who am I and why am I a human?
2- What am I suppose to do/my purpose and who put me here /created all this?
3- why this way?All I can say now is that the contents are now directing my curiosity and questions, I am hooked ,I have to study this book and try my best to really see what it is saying to me.
Yes, it felt like I am now becoming engaged in a long conversation with this book. That took a little more than two years. I felt like it was written for me to wrestle with it.
I came to a conclusion that I cannot leave it until I am satisfied and can prove that it is a lot of nonsense.
Or this book is really from outer space by another intelligence.Here are more questions for more choices with Qoran
1- Why believe Qoran is from GOD if you do not believe GOD?
2-Either believe or do not believe,but be true to yourself and use your GOD given faculties in your life to reflect on your choices and decisions with or without Qoran?
3-Why be afraid of GOD or sanctions from GOD if you cannot connect with GOD or His message?
4-- Why do salat if you do not know what it is or benefit from it? After all who are you fooling?
5- why follow any law if you do not agree with it or are not forced either by choice or system? I do not see GOD forcing anyone,nor do .I see GOD taking any choices from humans,but I see communities and human systems do that?I find it an individual task,journey that each has to take . Iman grows and with it our soul. GOD feeds the soul according to its limitation/capacity and choice to grow. Or GOD does not interfere at all if the soul takes that choice and stays undernourished.
I also find Qoran to be tailored for my limitation and I have no knowledge of where this limitation goes up to. Each one of us ,if they want to feed their soul,they will find that GOD has "catered"/"tailored" for their needs in the Message . "La Wukallifu ALLH Nafsan Illa Wusaaha".
Leave or take. Your choice.
GOD bless you.
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Read only Quran.
Not interpretation. Not read false Bible (false Torah and Gospels.They are hadith boks).
Read only Quran please.
Salam,
I think she is trying to say that when reading the translation of quran, she is reading the interpretaion of one man. I think she can't read and understand arabic,
and I feel the same, with translation we can have the understanding of his author in translations we have a few differences.
When saying "read only Quran please" are you talking about a translated one ? If she doesn't understand arabic how can she understand the verses in al quran ?
And even after learning arabic, she can encouter different meanings for one word and some meanings have probably changed with time.
And yes we can compare all the occurences of words in the Quran to set a meaning, I think.She said she is confused and fear to wrong herself reading quran (translations) that why she wonders if she can only believe in God without reading quran as she can't understand the arabic understood by the people to which the quran was sent at that time. Telll me if I am wrong, Sania Haque.
I experienced that, with fear and no confidence, it's difficult to move forward.
If everybody here understood the messages of God, they would agree. But it is not the case, and I think she fears to follow something wrong by misunderstanding al quran as she noticed here that people disagree.
The fear of hell prevents her from giving all up. However she is very confused and suffers to the extend of thinking to abandon. Aren't you Sania ?
May Allah guide us.
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Peace Fadiva/Sania Haque.
I will address this to both your query.
I understand what you are both saying,. I had the same issue when I started. Why Arabic and what about those that do not understand Arabic?All I could do at first is look at different translation and see if it makes sense to me.
Then I challenged GOD to guide me. Once I realised who GOD, I could not ignore the all powerful ,the ever living ,the all knowing.... I either had to take the journey on GOD s side with GOD s help or ditch the idea of struggling by myself.
Or is GOD not capable and sufficient for the servant?
Of course one has to be patient and tried for their honesty and true conviction. But GOD has promised help and support and GOD fulfills all the promises.I am not saying I understand all Qoran and I am where in the journey, I am saying this journey with GOD has to be taken by each individual and will be ongoing.
All I can do is give my own understanding and views but it needs to be checked and resonate or not. with others. That is fine we humans have different views/tastes and are at different parts of the journey.
Patience and perseverance and trust in GOD are key.
For the moment try different translations and compare where your understanding is and move according to your satisfaction and comfort.
Or take a different course in life without GOD or Qoran or anything that don t make sense to you. Be honest with yourself. Get to know yourself properly.
GOD bless you both.
Peace. -
Peace Good logic,
I ask the God to forgive me, to guide me and help me to understand what is not totally clear about some practices. I hope and I trust and praise Allah.
I agree with you.
I can only advice Sania the same and of course to be patient.God bless you.
