We as Muslims Have Been Fasting the WRONG fast at the WORNG Time

[jkhan]

Peace everyone...
Give the right thing its true value.. But here the author has not brought any convincing facts.. We have been discussing this zakaria and Maryam's Sawm many a times in this forum.. Once Sister Hourya brought recently the same thing saying Siyam is meditating and nothing to do with restricting food and drink ...

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610862.0

Anyone thinks that Siyam is other than all knows then he or she has no proof within Quran...
For sure Sawm = abstinence of any type..
But Siyam is also Abstinence but food and drink and sex specifically...
What Maryam abstained (Sawm) was a vow .. Which was merely abstained from talking to people in order for her to be free from discomfort from others and their queries..
Remember any human being can abstain(sawm) anything of their choice in the name of God merely or expecting something to accomplish for themselves.. It is a kind of vow.. Vows of any choice is completely allowed within Quran and it was even a practice of many believers since old time..
It is a self preference.. It won't make one a muththakun..
In the case of zakaria it was not a vow but mere abstinence from talking to people except sign language.. Probably not to his family but others.. But I. Zakaria case it has not stated Sawm either.. But it was a sign for him all alone.. In the end what he did was abstinence of sound while he is capable of speaking..

When it comes to Siyam 2183-187 it is instructions to follow as it was prescribed to those before... They are not vow or mere abstinence of self choice... But according to clear instructions so that it may increase the faith to a level of Muttaqun...

So my clear instructions to those who do keep away from food and drink every year for minimum 3-30 days is just keep doing.. Quran is very clear..
Don't get confused by Maryam and zakaria.. They are just abstinence for their own sake.. One of them is a vow..

[ThelosttruthsofIslam]

Peace everyone...
Give the right thing its true value.. But here the author has not brought any convincing facts.. We have been discussing this zakaria and Maryam's Sawm many a times in this forum.. Once Sister Hourya brought recently the same thing saying Siyam is meditating and nothing to do with restricting food and drink ...

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610862.0

Anyone thinks that Siyam is other than all knows then he or she has no proof within Quran...
For sure Sawm = abstinence of any type..
But Siyam is also Abstinence but food and drink and sex specifically...
What Maryam abstained (Sawm) was a vow .. Which was merely abstained from talking to people in order for her to be free from discomfort from others and their queries..
Remember any human being can abstain(sawm) anything of their choice in the name of God merely or expecting something to accomplish for themselves.. It is a kind of vow.. Vows of any choice is completely allowed within Quran and it was even a practice of many believers since old time..
It is a self preference.. It won't make one a muththakun..
In the case of zakaria it was not a vow but mere abstinence from talking to people except sign language.. Probably not to his family but others.. But I. Zakaria case it has not stated Sawm either.. But it was a sign for him all alone.. In the end what he did was abstinence of sound while he is capable of speaking..

When it comes to Siyam 2183-187 it is instructions to follow as it was prescribed to those before... They are not vow or mere abstinence of self choice... But according to clear instructions so that it may increase the faith to a level of Muttaqun...

So my clear instructions to those who do keep away from food and drink every year for minimum 3-30 days is just keep doing.. Quran is very clear..
Don't get confused by Maryam and zakaria.. They are just abstinence for their own sake.. One of them is a vow..

My Dear Brother,

Peace and Blessings be to you. My intention is NOT to prove myself or serve my ego or mislead other people. Allah alone is my refuge from all of those.

For the sake of example Let me agree with you and concur what you just mentioned that FASTING is abstinence from both EATING AND DRINKING AND MARITAL RELATIONSHIP.

Then, I am going to read the below two verses, which prove without a doubt that when Quran mentions “Yom” or “AYYAM” for fasting or as you mentioned abstinence, it clearly means a 24-hour period of both “day” and “night” NONSTOP.

1. He said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not (be able to) speak to the people for three (3) ay’yam (days plus nights; 72 hours NONSTOP) except by gesture. And remember your Lord much and glorify in the evening and the morning." (341)
2. (Zechariah) said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights, (while being) sound.“ (1910)

There is absolutely NO WAY of getting around that UNLESS I disbelieve in the above two verses. If I did that, I would be stepping outside the boundary of the Quran and following my own whims and desires, which I can not do.

As a follower of the Quran, I would then read 2184 and it says fasting is "An enumerated number of “AYYAM” (day and night, 24-hour period)"

Then, I would read 2185, the very next verse, which says
"Allah wants ease for you and does not want hardship for you. And all this because you may complete the number and magnify Allah for having guided you and that you might be grateful".

As a believer and a follower of the Quran, I would put two and two together and combine 341, 1910, 2184 and 2185 logically. I would realize that the number of AYYAM has to be fully completed.

I would then reach the very reasonable conclusion that fasting is a kind of abstinence that lasted for the duration of those enumerated AYYAM and included BOTH DAYS AND NIGHTS during those AYYAM.

Then, I would ask myself this question Would it have been possible for any human beings to abstain from EATING AND DRINKING for 30 days and 30 nights?
I think the answer is clear. It would NOT have been possible at all. However, abstinence from talking except through gesture would have perfectly fit the bill. It would have perfectly been possible to abstain from talking except through gesture for 30 days and nights in a row. We know that many people would also do E'tekaf (reclusions) in mosques worshipping, praising and glorifying Allah.

However, NOT TALKING for 30 days and 30 nights would have also meant NOT talking to our pious and righteous wives who are Allah's gifts to us and we so dearly love and adore. Obviously, we would have gradually become sad and depressed for not being able to talk to them for such a long time. We are weak after all. Some believers (men and women) were weaker than some others and probably would act naughty and do things that we probably should NOT talk about in this forum o -X

Then, I would read 2187, which says
It has been made permissible for you during the night of fasting conjugal speech with your wives. They are a clothing for you, and you are a clothing for them. Allah knows that you have been betraying yourselves, so He returned to you and forgave you. Therefore, from now on, communicate and have contact with them (your wives) AND seek that which Allah has decreed for you AND eat AND drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread (of night). Then complete the fast until the night (after the end of the dusk period, which starts with sunset and ends with night). And do not communicate and have contact with them as long as you are in reclusion in the mosques

As a seeker of truth, the Quran makes complete sense. As you can see, The Quran is very consistent.

Please keep in mind that word "Tubashiruhunna" is the same root as "Bashir" and "Mubash'shir". If "Tubashiruhunna" meant "having sexual relationship" then, we could conclude that a "Bashir" or a "mubash'shir" would mean a "A Very Active Professional Sex Worker" >D -X o (May Allah forgive me for saying that). "Tubashiruhunna" means having talks and pleasantries.

I hope it makes better sense now and thank you for taking the time reading my comments. I really appreciate it. I was not aware of the other forum. I will definitely check the link you sent. I am so glad there are other believers who believe in the same thing that I believe in.

Mahdi

[jkhan]

My Dear Brother,

Peace and Blessings be to you. My intention is NOT to prove myself or serve my ego or mislead other people. Allah alone is my refuge from all of those.

For the sake of example Let me agree with you and concur what you just mentioned that FASTING is abstinence from both EATING AND DRINKING AND MARITAL RELATIONSHIP.

Then, I am going to read the below two verses, which prove without a doubt that when Quran mentions “Yom” or “AYYAM” for fasting or as you mentioned abstinence, it clearly means a 24-hour period of both “day” and “night” NONSTOP.

1. He said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not (be able to) speak to the people for three (3) ay’yam (days plus nights; 72 hours NONSTOP) except by gesture. And remember your Lord much and glorify in the evening and the morning." (341)
2. (Zechariah) said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights, (while being) sound.“ (1910)

There is absolutely NO WAY of getting around that UNLESS I disbelieve in the above two verses. If I did that, I would be stepping outside the boundary of the Quran and following my own whims and desires, which I can not do.

As a follower of the Quran, I would then read 2184 and it says fasting is "An enumerated number of “AYYAM” (day and night, 24-hour period)"

Then, I would read 2185, the very next verse, which says
"Allah wants ease for you and does not want hardship for you. And all this because you may complete the number and magnify Allah for having guided you and that you might be grateful".

As a believer and a follower of the Quran, I would put two and two together and combine 341, 1910, 2184 and 2185 logically. I would realize that the number of AYYAM has to be fully completed.

I would then reach the very reasonable conclusion that fasting is a kind of abstinence that lasted for the duration of those enumerated AYYAM and included BOTH DAYS AND NIGHTS during those AYYAM.

Then, I would ask myself this question Would it have been possible for any human beings to abstain from EATING AND DRINKING for 30 days and 30 nights?
I think the answer is clear. It would NOT have been possible at all. However, abstinence from talking except through gesture would have perfectly fit the bill. It would have perfectly been possible to abstain from talking except through gesture for 30 days and nights in a row. We know that many people would also do E'tekaf (reclusions) in mosques worshipping, praising and glorifying Allah.

However, NOT TALKING for 30 days and 30 nights would have also meant NOT talking to our pious and righteous wives who are Allah's gifts to us and we so dearly love and adore. Obviously, we would have gradually become sad and depressed for not being able to talk to them for such a long time. We are weak after all. Some believers (men and women) were weaker than some others and probably would act naughty and do things that we probably should NOT talk about in this forum -X

Then, I would read 2187, which says
It has been made permissible for you during the night of fasting conjugal speech with your wives. They are a clothing for you, and you are a clothing for them. Allah knows that you have been betraying yourselves, so He returned to you and forgave you. Therefore, from now on, communicate and have contact with them (your wives) AND seek that which Allah has decreed for you AND eat AND drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread (of night). Then complete the fast until the night (after the end of the dusk period, which starts with sunset and ends with night). And do not communicate and have contact with them as long as you are in reclusion in the mosques

As a seeker of truth, the Quran makes complete sense. As you can see, The Quran is very consistent.

Please keep in mind that word "Tubashiruhunna" is the same root as "Bashir" and "Mubash'shir". If "Tubashiruhunna" meant "having sexual relationship" then, we could conclude that a "Bashir" or a "mubash'shir" would mean a "A Very Active Professional Sex Worker" >D -X (May Allah forgive me for saying that). "Tubashiruhunna" means having talks and pleasantries.

I hope it makes better sense now and thank you for taking the time reading my comments. I really appreciate it. I was not aware of the other forum. I will definitely check the link you sent. I am so glad there are other believers who believe in the same thing that I believe in.

Mahdi

Peace Brother Mahdi..

You are someone like.. If one asked "where are you going dude? And you say.. There are apples in my bag.. "

Note clearly siyam is not 24 hours.. That's so obvious as I explained in my first reply.. Don't act like it is pls.. God says Haj is in well known months... But didn't He explain in clear cut instructions in maximum how many days one can do haj.. No one needs to do haj for consecutive months
Like wise God said for siyam..
He said shahr Ramadan... Ayyamin madudath.. And during day time.. Isn't that enough for you to stop this blindness by repeating and saying 24 hours.. Who did fast 24 hours.. How can one fast 24 hours while God manifestly indicated eat and drink UNTIL white thread clear from black.. Why one should be so specific in looking at white thread at dawn in connection with food...

You are blinded with Maryam and zakaria abstinence... Or you are adamant knowingly..
It was special and particular to them.. They didn't even know what to do..
If Sawm is abstinence from talking to others in general, God doesn't need to explain Maryam don't talk to people.. She only need to say I am in Sawm.. So people already know then Sawm is not talking to others.. No sign language for Maryam.. So at least she has to speak to say I am doing abstinence of not talking for God, so I don't talk.
But zakaria abstinence is entirely different to Maryam.. He should go infront of people but he should not utter a word but all in gestures.. Maryam if she sees anyone only, not necessarily go in front of people.. Maryam was instructed to SPEAK (fakuli) she should completly say to anyone if she happened to come across " I have vowed a Sawm today so I won't speak to any human being" these are not sign language..

Clear difference with zakaria... So dude are we to fast in Maryam's style or zakaria style..?

Imagine if siyam is one month, then not talking whole community to each other.. Clear rubbish... Maryam had a purpose and benefit by not talking... While zakaria had a purpose and benefit by not talking... Both connected with male child...
Come on guys.. Zakaria requested a sign in connection with his son...

Any sensible person would understand that Maryam needed privacy while travelling.. So the abstince of not talking is the best option depending on her situation ..

In zakaria case.. Zakaria only knows what happened after he completed three ayyamin by speaking to people only in sign language.. Coz it was a demanded sign for him.. And connected with glad tiding of a boy..

I don't mind what people does.. Whether they fast not fast.. But I like to present the truth which I know according to Quran... After all if God misguides people who am I to rectify them..

[ThelosttruthsofIslam]

Peace Brother Mahdi..

You are someone like.. If one asked "where are you going dude? And you say.. There are apples in my bag.. "

Note clearly siyam is not 24 hours.. That's so obvious as I explained in my first reply.. Don't act like it is pls.. God says Haj is in well known months... But didn't He explain in clear cut instructions in maximum how many days one can do haj.. No one needs to do haj for consecutive months
Like wise God said for siyam..
He said shahr Ramadan... Ayyamin madudath.. And during day time.. Isn't that enough for you to stop this blindness by repeating and saying 24 hours.. Who did fast 24 hours.. How can one fast 24 hours while God manifestly indicated eat and drink UNTIL white thread clear from black.. Why one should be so specific in looking at white thread at dawn in connection with food...

You are blinded with Maryam and zakaria abstinence... Or you are adamant knowingly..
It was special and particular to them.. They didn't even know what to do..
If Sawm is abstinence from talking to others in general, God doesn't need to explain Maryam don't talk to people.. She only need to say I am in Sawm.. So people already know then Sawm is not talking to others.. No sign language for Maryam.. So at least she has to speak to say I am doing abstinence of not talking for God, so I don't talk.
But zakaria abstinence is entirely different to Maryam.. He should go infront of people but he should not utter a word but all in gestures.. Maryam if she sees anyone only, not necessarily go in front of people.. Maryam was instructed to SPEAK (fakuli) she should completly say to anyone if she happened to come across " I have vowed a Sawm today so I won't speak to any human being" these are not sign language..

Clear difference with zakaria... So dude are we to fast in Maryam's style or zakaria style..?

Imagine if siyam is one month, then not talking whole community to each other.. Clear rubbish... Maryam had a purpose and benefit by not talking... While zakaria had a purpose and benefit by not talking... Both connected with male child...
Come on guys.. Zakaria requested a sign in connection with his son...

Any sensible person would understand that Maryam needed privacy while travelling.. So the abstince of not talking is the best option depending on her situation ..

In zakaria case.. Zakaria only knows what happened after he completed three ayyamin by speaking to people only in sign language.. Coz it was a demanded sign for him.. And connected with glad tiding of a boy..

I don't mind what people does.. Whether they fast not fast.. But I like to present the truth which I know according to Quran... After all if God misguides people who am I to rectify them..

Peace Brother,

I wish you would have taken at least half an hour to think and meditate about those two verses. The way you interpreted them made me understand that not only you didn't think about them at all but also you didn't read them.

Let me summarize those two verses for you The only limitation in Maryam's and Zechariah's fast is that they can NOT engage in any conversation with ANY OTHER HUMAN BEINGS except through gesture. That does NOT mean they can not say anything. That does NOT mean they have to be constantly quiet and speechless at all times. That's why Allah commands Zechariah to glorify and praise in the morning and evenings. The ONLY way one is allowed to engage in a conversation is through gesture. As simple as that.

Did you really think Zechariah and Maryam were glorifying and praising in their hearts without talking? Did you think they were performing Salat secretly with no voice?

The point you made about Maryam is again because you didn't read the verses carefully. She is NOT engaging in any conversation with anyone. Maryam and Zechariah were allowed to say anything they wanted as long as they were NOT engaging in any conversation with any other human beings. You mentioned "faghooli". Again, I don't think you have seen the verse 1929 "fa ASHARAT ELAIHE", which means Maryam gestured/pointed towards him (Jesus) in response to the people questioning her about Jesus. So Maryam is NOT engaging in any conversation but is pointing and gesturing towards Jesus her son. That is exactly what Zechariah did. Please take a few minutes and read these verses carefully especially when you are posting them and commenting on them in a Quranic forum. You will find these verses beneficial for you, Insha'Allah. Here is 1927-29 for you in case you are too busy to read them yourself

(1927-29) Then she returned to her people, carrying him. They said ˹in shock˺, “O Mary! You have certainly done a horrible thing. O sister of Aaron! Your father was not an indecent man, nor was your mother unchaste.” So, she pointed/gestured towards the baby. They exclaimed, “How can we talk to someone who is an infant in the cradle?”

As you can see, the Quran documents and explains Maryam's actions for us and the fact that she pointed and gestured towards the baby when she wanted to communicate to them. Please take the time to read Allah's verses before talking about them.

During the TRUE QURANIC fast, one can talk to their pets, or a dog or a horse or a bird or a tree or an angel because these are NOT human beings. The limitation is ONLY engaging in a conversation with another human being. These verses could NOT possibly be any clearer..

Any unbiased truth seeking person can tell you that Maryam and Zechariah are both doing the exact same thing. There is absolutely NO difference whatsoever. There is No need to mention "SAWM" for Zechariah because he is doing the exact same thing that Maryam is doing.

Here is the equation for you If B=SAWM and C=SAWM then you can easily conclude that B=C=SAWM.

Also, you completely brushed aside the "AYYAM" because obviously that is the TRUTH and there is no way you or anyone else can argue against it unless you disbelieve in those two verses.

I have an advice for you that will truly benefit you Don't let your bias towards what I say keep you from submitting to Allah's verses. That would NOT be good at all.

My challenge for you is still there Bring me any of the following from the Quran (not hadith or other opinions)

1. An example in the Quran of someone fasting by NOT EATING AND DRINKING, OR
2. A direct commandment from Allah in the Quran that we should NOT EAT AND DRINK while fasting, OR
3. An example of an act of piety or righteousness (TAGHWA) mentioned in the Quran that involves NOT EATING AND DRINKING. (Ex. Lying, Bearing the correct testimony, Not accusing people wrongly, Talking nicely to people, Not yelling and screaming and so many others that are ALL directly mentioned in the Quran and are ALL related to talking and the words that come out of a person's mouth).

There is NONE and you can NOT bring anything for me because that's not the fast that Allah desired and wrote for the believers in the Quran. As you can see, I am trying to clean up the misinformation and the lies that exist around fasting but my success is up to Allah of course.

By the way, I didn't quite understand your point about the Hajj. Who has said that Hajj has to last for several consecutive months? Where did you hear that? Did I say that somewhere? confused

Just for your information since you brought it up
Months of hajj are four (4) consecutive months. It doesn't mean your hajj has to last four (4) consecutive months. Was that a joke by any chance? brickwall
What it means is that within those four (4) consecutive months, you can do hajj at anytime you want. You can do Hajj four times if that's what you want or you can do it once but it has to happen within those 4 months to count as Hajj. Otherwise, it would be UMRAH. Maybe there is a language barrier there and you misunderstood what I have said. If you have questions about anything that I have said about hajj, rather than assuming something that I have NEVER said, please let me know and I can clarify it for you.

I am only trying to clarify Allah's verses for those who truly wish to know and understand and submit to them NOT for those who have made their hearts hard and only wish to prove their own point. At the end of the day, if Allah wants to mislead someone, who am I to be able to guide them.

Peace to you as well..

[shukri]

Bro ThelosttruthsofIslam,

I'm try to solve three issues mentioned in your posting

First Issue How does staying hungry and thirsty make you and I pious and God fearing? If that was the case, then all the homeless people would be the most pious and God fearing ones among us, wouldn’t they?

The answer My answer already given in my Reply #13

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Second Issue Then, I am going to read the below two verses, which prove without a doubt that when Quran mentions “Yom” or “AYYAM” for fasting or as you mentioned abstinence, it clearly means a 24-hour period of both “day” and “night” NONSTOP.

1. He said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not (be able to) speak to the people for three ay’yam (days plus nights; 72 hours NONSTOP) except by gesture. And remember your Lord much and glorify in the evening and the morning." (341)
2. (Zechariah) said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights, (while being) sound.“ (1910)

The answer I use Al-Muzzammil method to prove that verse 341 has a missing words of "at night"
https//al-muzzammil.com/relevance_miracle/19_based_calc.html

Now see the Code below
341 He said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three ay’yam (?) except by gesture. And remember your Lord much and glorify in the evening and the morning."
103 ... gv for "at night" بالليل
--> 103 341 = 5439 x 19
Position 9 (Provision)
Level 4 (Verses which can be extrapolated)
(Indication The verse 341 should be read as ... He said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three ay’yam (at night) except by gesture. And remember your Lord much and glorify in the evening and the morning.&quot

Therefore the word "three ay'yam" in verse 341 is not contradict to words "three nights" in verse 1910!

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Third Issue The words "أَيّامًا مَعدودٰتٍ" mentioned in verse 2184

The answer I use Al-Muzzammil method to prove that أَيّامًا مَعدودٰتٍ (specific/limited/a few days) are meant for "three days"

(Code 1) ... Using the first words of "three days" mentioned in the quran i.e. Verse 2196
2184 Specific days (days numbered/a certain days/a few numbered/limited days); if one is ill or traveling, an equal number of other days may be substituted. Those who can fast, but with great difficulty, may substitute feeding one poor person for each day of breaking the fast. If one volunteers (more righteous works), it is better. But fasting is the best for you, if you only knew.
2196 You shall observe the complete rites of Hajj andUmrah for God. If you are prevented, you shall send an offering, and do not resume cutting your hair until your offering has reached its destination. If you are ill, or suffering a head injury (and you must cut your hair), you shall expiate by fasting, or giving to charity, or some other form of worship. During the normal Hajj, if you break the state of Ihraam (sanctity) between Umrah and Hajj, you shall expiate by offering an animal sacrifice. If you cannot afford it, you shall fast three days during Hajj and seven when you return home - this completes ten - provided you do not live at the Sacred Masjid. You shall observe God, and know that God is strict in enforcing retribution (The first verse in the quran mentioned wordings "three days&quot
--> (184) + (196) = 380 = 20 x 19 (verses without chapters)
Position 0 (Wild Card) ... All positions 1-9 are applicable
Level 3 (Include Missing Information)
(Indication Specific days in verse 2184 are meant for three days)

(Code 2) ... Hidden words for "Specific days"
2184 Specific days (?); if one is ill or traveling, an equal number of other days may be substituted. Those who can fast, but with great difficulty, may substitute feeding one poor person for each day of breaking the fast. If one volunteers (more righteous works), it is better. But fasting is the best for you, if you only knew.
1436 52 ... gv for "three days (ثلاثة أيام)"
--> (1436+52) + (184) = 1672 = 88 x 19
Position 8 (Issues)
Level 3 (Include Missing Information)
(Indication "Specific days" are meant for three days)

OR (Substitute the word "three" with number "3&quot
3 52 ... gv for "3 days (ثلاثة 3 أيام )"
--> 352 (184) = 18536 x 19
Position 6 (Caution) ... Something is missing!
Level 5 (Detailing Information)

Caution! (Replace gv for "three days" with gv for "three days during the month&quot
1436 52 661 536 ... gv for "three days during the month" ثلاثة أيام خلال الشهر (Note Number "3" is reversed back to gv for number "three&quot
--> (1436+52+661+536) + (184) = 2869 = 151 x 19
Position 1 (Scenario Described)
Level 3 (Include Missing Information)

Ends
Thank you.

[Houriya]

Peace TL TOI,

Thank you for your sharing, I'm not the only one to understand siyam like you.

if I want to practice fasting, I can do it all year round easily and without constraints. fasting is blessed
(autophagy) for the body when you stop eating and drinking for at least 16 hours.

According to my understanding we are not told to fast 2 consecutive full moons (Shahrayn), only during a specific number of days.
The fast begins as soon as we perceive the full moon of strong heat (shahr ramadan) and continues until night (atimmoo / continue), there is no interruption.

The purpose of siyam is to glorify God /litukabbiroo allaha for his guidance during spiritual retreat and to achieve piety . The only thing to
to respect is don't cohabit with women during the retreat, the verse is clear.

What is allowed during the night and what is not allowed during the retreat is not the definition of siyam.

Why shahr ramadam is important, it is the night during which the quran was revealed to the prophet.
Observe a retreat to receive divine guidance
through your heart...etc

Peace

[Houriya]

Peace,

I have consulted the occurrences of the verb ittaqoo which is translated in the following verses (Translation of FM) as being aware, I have selected a few verses which indicate the meaning of this action

3102
O you who believe, reverence God as He deserves to be reverenced, and do not die except as ones who have submitted.

535
O you who believe, be aware of God and seek a way to Him, and strive in His cause; that you may succeed.

5100
Say "The rotten and the good are not equal, even if the abundance of the rotten impresses you." So be aware of God, O you who possess intelligence, that you may succeed.

9119
O you who believe, be aware of God and be with the truthful.

3370
O you who believe, be aware of God and speak only the truth.

2183 O you who believe, fasting has been decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you, perhaps you may be righteous / tattaqoon.

According to my understanding the verb tattaqoon the pronominal form of the verb ittaqa means ittaqoo allah / God

Peace

[Houriya]

Peace,

Other verses about almuttaqeen those who ittaqaw

1630 And it was said to those who were righteous / ittaqaw "What has your Lord sent down?" They said "All goodness / khayran." For those who have done good in this world there is good; and the Hereafter is goodness / khayrun. Excellent indeed is the home of the righteous / almuttaqeen.

2183 O you who believe, fasting has been decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you, perhaps you may be righteous / tattaqoon.

2184 A few number of days. Whoever of you is ill or traveling, then the same count from different days; and as for those who can do so but with difficulty, they may redeem by feeding the needy. And whoever does good voluntarily, then it is better for him. And if you fast it is better / khayrun for you if only you knew.

Peace

[Houriya]

Peace

In the verse 2 183 the form of the verb is pronominal tattaqoon.

2183
O you who believe, fasting has been decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you, perhaps you may be righteous / tattaqoon.

Is it a personal will / decision to be righteous or is it God who inspires or grants us our righteousness as He guides our heart and comfort our chest to submission ?

I would like to share with you my thoughts about the night of alqdr; Whether it is the night of the summer soltice or the autumn equinox, the two interpretations are plausible.

The meaning of the word ramadan , strong heat or autumn rain ?

Both senses are possible, which of the 2 senses is corroborated by the Qur'an ?.

The goal is is to do the siyam durant a few number of days, regardless of the period when we have decided to do it as for the sick or those who are traveling.

Peace

[Iyyaka]

Peace
In the verse 2 183 the form of the verb is pronominal tattaqoon.
2183
O you who believe, fasting has been decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you, perhaps you may be righteous / tattaqoon.
Is it a personal will / decision to be righteous or is it God who inspires or grants us our righteousness as He guides our heart and comfort our chest to submission ?

Peace.
Error in translation - tattaqoon by righteous.
This form VIII express the idea of "be secure against evils and calamity" or "who fears and guarantees himself against an evil or danger"
So the translation may be "so that you may protect yourself"

The meaning of the word ramadan , strong heat or autumn rain ?
Peace

The root "rmD" evokes the strong heat (burning stones of the desert) => When food and water are scarce.
other quranic related roots

• mrD (210) = Sick (when you have a fever your body is warm)
• Dmr (2267) = being thin and not having a belly (dieting a horse)

[Houriya]

Peace,

This is only my personal opinion, God only knows who is wrong and who is right.

According to you siyam = restorative fasting (abstinence from eating and drinking ..).

I understand siyam as a spiritual retreat.

I try to understand taqwa and siyam in the light of the Reading, I exclude over-interpretation like siyam = restorative fasting,

or tattaqoon = to guard oneself with a restorative fasting.

Both understandings are possible, I made the choice of spiritual retreat for the reasons explained above.

I agree that abstaining from eating and drinking is a great way to heal the physical body, I try to practice intermittent fasting regularly.

Peace

[Iyyaka]

Peace,

This is only my personal opinion, God only knows who is wrong and who is right.

According to you siyam = restorative fasting (abstinence from eating and drinking ..).

I understand siyam as a spiritual retreat.

I try to understand taqwa and siyam in the light of the Reading, I exclude over-interpretation like siyam = restorative fasting,

or tattaqoon = to guard oneself with a restorative fasting.

Both understandings are possible, I made the choice of spiritual retreat for the reasons explained above.

I agree that abstaining from eating and drinking is a great way to heal the physical body, I try to practice intermittent fasting regularly.

Peace

Peace be upon you.
No problem i just respond to your questions.
Yes a spiritual retreat is encouraged by the Quran during (all or a part?) fasting of Ramadan.
And, additionally, by reading the Quran, we can ask ourselves the following question Does the women practiced fasting during the lifetime of Muhammad (pbsl) ? not so obvious..
For my translation "restorative fasting" (i recognize that it is not so well rendered in English!), it is linked to the other occurrences of the word siyam in the Quran (an atonement/expiation for something).
But just a question why asked questions if you are convinced of something? expose and share your opinions.

NB the text deliver first an understandable message for Arab people in Arabia in the beginning of the 7° century
Sometimes, it can be difficult to find the historical true for some contexts, but not all is relative otherwise why we need of the Quran ? In this case we have just follow our opinions or fantasies (as madhi does for giving a new direction for the word siyam in sura 2, or others for the word Hajj). No need for Quran for that.

[Houriya]

Peace,

What i tried to say in my last post, we can't prove with certainty the meaning of words like the night of alkadr, ramadan, we have indications in the quran. It is up to everyone to make a choice in the light of the indications of the quran.

About siyam for fault, siyam is recommended to be aware , meditate..

Siyam is addressed to both men and women, no contact between them during the spiritual retreat,
observing the silence.

Peace

[reel]

I understand siyam as a spiritual retreat.

Both understandings are possible, I made the choice of spiritual retreat for the reasons explained above.

I agree that abstaining from eating and drinking is a great way to heal the physical body, I try to practice intermittent fasting regularly.

Peace

Please report on your experience. I did the experiment last year. It left me feeling great. It was as if God was becoming a very very close friend. Felt so satisfied and encouraged at the end of each day. I will not go back to abstaining from eating and fasting. It seems to have the opposite effect.

[Houriya]

Peace Reel,

Thank you for your input.

My first spiritual retreat is as beneficial as salat but over a long period. It is a meeting with our creator in our interior space.

Peace

[Houriya]

An article on spiritual retreat in the Quran. You can translate it with google from French to English.

http//www.voix-islam-eclaire.fr/2020/01/11/la-retraite-spirituelle-en-islam-anne-sophie-monsinay-2/

[Fadiva]

Peace the losttruthofislam, reel and Houriya,

If siyam is a spiritual retreat, remaining silent (not talking to other) and remembering God, why can't a sick person do it?
But on the other side
One can ask the same question about not eating but not drinking is quite difficult.

About travelling nowadays why can't one fast the traditional way while travelling ? Stop talking to someone and staying concentrated remembering God would be complicated while travelling.

[Houriya]

Peace Fadiva,

Thank you for your relevant questions.

God wants ease for us, it is for this reason that sick people are exempt. The ideal is to do it in good physical condition. if we are sick, we will know whether or not we can do it.

The trip is incompatible with the purpose of spiritual retreat. You can refrain from eating and drinking while traveling, but it depends on the circumstances of the trip.

[Houriya]

Article on the attitude of devotion, a look at the qunût in the Koran

http//www.voix-islam-eclaire.fr/2021/01/22/khutba-20-lattitude-de-devotion-un-regard-sur-le-qunut-dans-le-coran-omero-marongiu-perria-22-janvier-2021/

Extract from the article

My dear co-religionists, in this sermon I suggest that you take a look at some aspects of the believer's devotion. The use of the term devotion, in French, dates back to the 12th century. with the meaning of "religious zeal"; by this we mean religious practices, of course, but more generally the specific devotion of a believer to God through regular, more or less codified practices. Devotion therefore encompasses a fervor, which can be defined as the "outburst of a passionate and enthusiastic heart," 1 as well as reverence, in the sense of a deep and admiring attachment which results in an attitude. general respect and humility in our relationship with God. In my meditative readings of the Koran, I was challenged by the root qnt because it is both an attribute of believers totally devoted to God, but it is also the natural posture of the whole of creation in the sense that it is constantly oriented towards God. I will quote, by way of illustration, verse 26 of sura 30 (The Byzantines)

To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth, all are devoted to Him.

This Qur'anic passage evokes something that eludes many humans, namely the fundamental orientation of the world which naturally inclines to the posture of devotion to God.

There are, in my opinion, two important things which deserve to be meditated here the first is that of the fundamental orientation which is inscribed at the bottom of us but which, very often unfortunately, escapes us. How to name it? For my part, I will use the Arabic term of fitra, which is generally translated by “primordial nature” or “innate nature” in the sense of a natural disposition to believe and to orient one's life towards God. But it is not so simple because we feel deep inside us, even as believers, that the simple introspection or the contemplation of the world is not enough to be ecstatic in front of the creation to orient oneself immediately and "naturally. To the Creator. This is where the second element comes in, which is related to the experience of life and the experience of acts of devotion. These are not limited to acts of worship, of course, but they encompass all aspects of our existence. This is the deepest meaning of the Arabic term 'ibâda , which is falsely translated as "cult"; the 'ibâdais the direct consequence of religious feeling, of awareness of the vastness of the universe and of the omnipotence of God. It is devotion, the true and deepest, that permeates every moment of our life, and acts of worship are only there to help perfect this orientation.

Two passages from the Koran illustrate my point, the first, verse 9 of sura 39 (Groups), is general

The one who is in a state of devotion, in the dead of night; he prostrates himself and stands up, worrying about his last life and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord… Say are those who know the same rank as those who ignore? Only those endowed with reason remember.

The knowledge which is mentioned in this Koranic passage is not of an intellectual order, it is not a question of the 'ilm in the sense of a scientific or academic knowledge, but of the deep conviction of the one who has experienced the relation to the divine and who is in a process which leads him towards spiritual Knowledge. The Qur'an also dwells a great deal on the link between observation of the world and of oneself, on the one hand, and the concrete experience of the divine which anchors conviction deep within. This is in a way the recommendation that God makes to Mary in this second Koranic passage, verse 43 of sura 3 (The family of Imrân)

O, Marie! Be devoted to your Lord; bow down and bow with those who bow .

Mary will experience the divine and deep conviction when she prepares to give birth to Jesus at the foot of a palm tree, then when she presents the child to her family.

For their part, the first Muslims seem to have fully understood the deep meaning of devotion since they interpreted the term qânit as the posture of one who attests to his state of dependence on God. This is the deepest sense of faith, which lies at the junction of the deepest intuition, the one with which the fitra has imbued us from the creation of the human being and the consciousness of God which is reflected , among others, through feelings of humility, respect, love, etc. The qunût, another term derived from the root qnt, is associated with the specific position that the believer adopts during his office. It is a question here of being in meditation, during a more or less long time, standing, inclined, sitting, in its reading and / or its meditation.

From there, it is up to each one to found his own experience of the divine, to learn to observe the world and to let emerge what the natural disposition has inscribed in his interior. It is a state of mind and a posture specific to each one, and acts of worship allow us to open a channel of communication with the divine which, if it is useful and primordial, is neither exhaustive nor exclusive since the posture of devotion encompasses our whole being and our whole life, not just the few minutes that we take to perform our office, sometimes very expeditiously.

[Houriya]

An article on spiritual retreat in the Quran. You can translate it with google from French to English.

http//www.voix-islam-eclaire.fr/2020/01/11/la-retraite-spirituelle-en-islam-anne-sophie-monsinay-2/

Extract fron the article

Spiritual retreat in the Quran

“For many, spiritual retreat is a practice reserved for Sufis, initiates, a sort of elite who would have chosen to consecrate themselves to God with greater fervor than others. Although Sunni orthodoxy has not retained it as part of the pillars of practice, we note that this theme is present on numerous occasions in the Koran.

In the Koranic text, the retreat is often associated with a place the cave for the sleepers of the sura "The cave", the Kaaba or the mosques. The prophets all retired to various places the cave of Muhammad, the desert for Jesus, Moses and David, the well of Joseph, the whale for Jonah… We notice that the places can be isolated places in nature, in the 'distance from men, or holy places, reserved for worship such as the Kaaba or mosques.

It was then that We made the Ka`ba temple a place of retreat and a haven of peace for men, recommending them to make Abraham's station a place of prayer. Just as We entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael the care of preserving the purity of Our temple for those who will come there to accomplish ritual circuits, to make a retreat or to bow down and meditate. (Quran 2 125)

We already draw two methods from it in one case it is done alone, in the other in community (at the Kaaba or in the mosques).

The Koran also fixes a temporal modality for the execution of these retreats at the time of Ramadan. There is of course no religious obligation here. In reality, the notion of religious obligation is hardly present in the Koran. The text proposes practices and often leaves a great deal of leeway and a free choice as to their application. The Arabic term "kitâb" (Koran 4 103) does not mean "obligation" but "prescription", that is to say a recommendation. In his work, which was the subject of a doctoral thesis, Dr. Al-Ajami explains this distinction very well when he writes “Always according to the same Koranic coherence, let us specify that a prescription (kitâb) does not is not a requirement. Also, by definition, any prescription (kitâb) is not compulsory, it is only a written recommendation. It was only under the influence of legal exegesis specific to the objectives of Islam that the term (kitâb) was superimposed on the meaning of obligation, even of divine law. "1

For retirement, there is therefore no obligation, but an incentive

Intimacy towards your wives has been made lawful to you during fasting night. They are clothing for you and you are clothing for them. God knows you've betrayed yourself, so He turned back to you and forgave you. Have a joyful contact with them and long for what God has prescribed for you, and eat and drink until the white thread stands out from the black thread at daybreak. Then complete the fast until the night, and do not have intimate relations with them while you share a retreat in the mosques. These are the limits that God sets! So do not approach them! This is how God makes His Signs explicit to humans! May you beware! (Quran 2 187)

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This brings us to the meaning of retirement. In verse 187 of sura 2, the term akifun from the root "gayn ka fa" means "to cleave, to imprison, to be diligent, to indulge in, to dedicate oneself to, to abide, to consecrate oneself, to adjust and to repair, but also the fact of staying constantly in a place to dedicate oneself to something ”. Thus, by this voluntary imprisonment, the person consecrates both to God and to repair or adjust in himself his faults and shortcomings.