Did prophet Muhammad make mistakes /sin
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Salam to all,
Did prophet Muhammad sin?
943 God pardon you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you who are truthful, and who are lying?
481 We have given you a clear conquest.
482 So that God may forgive your present sins, and those past, and so that He may complete His blessings upon you, and guide you on a straight path.Please brothers and sisters explain this verses to me.
God bless all
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https//misconceptions-about-islam.com/misconception.php?id=45
Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
943 May God pardon thee !67 Why didst thou grant them permission ere it had become obvious to thee as to who was speaking the truth, and thou camest to know. the liars?Note 67
All the commentators agree in that this phrase, although expressed in the form of an invocation, has the meaning of a statement - "God pardons thee" or "has pardoned thee" - absolving the Prophet of any moral responsibility for his mistaken, but humanly understandable, acceptance of equivocal pleas on the part of those who wished to be excused from participating in the campaign. To me it seems that this statement of "absolution" was primarily intended to free the Prophet from any self-reproach for his too-great liberality in this respect. -
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Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
943 May God pardon thee !67 Why didst thou grant them permission ere it had become obvious to thee as to who was speaking the truth, and thou camest to know. the liars?Note 67
All the commentators agree in that this phrase, although expressed in the form of an invocation, has the meaning of a statement - "God pardons thee" or "has pardoned thee" - absolving the Prophet of any moral responsibility for his mistaken, but humanly understandable, acceptance of equivocal pleas on the part of those who wished to be excused from participating in the campaign. To me it seems that this statement of "absolution" was primarily intended to free the Prophet from any self-reproach for his too-great liberality in this respect.Salam wakaas
943 is explained by Muhammad Asad.
What about 482.
Are sins different from mistakes?God bless you all
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Greetings and Peace, all group
What immediately came to mind were the following
661 O prophet, why do you make forbidden what God has made permissible for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
801 He frowned and turned away.
802 When the blind one came to him.
803 And what makes you know, perhaps he is seeking to purify?
804 Or to remember, so the remembrance will benefit him?
805 As for the one who was rich.
806 You were addressing yourself to him.
807 And why does it concern you that he does not want to purify?
808 And as for the one who came to you seeking.
809 While he was concerned.
8010 You were too occupied for him.
8011 No, this is but a reminder.
8012 For whoever wills to remember.It would seem strange to me if there was no mistake mentioned. Look at other prophets, peace upon them all.
Adam 235 And We said "O Adam, reside you and your mate in the paradise, and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not come near this tree, else you will be of those who have wronged."
236 So, the devil caused them to slip from it, and he brought them out from what they were in, and We said "Descend; for you are enemies to one another; and on the earth you will have residence and provisions until the appointed time."Noah 1145 And Noah called on his Lord, and he said "My Lord, my son is from my family, and your promise is the truth, and you are the Wisest of all Judges."
1146 He said "O Noah, he is not from your family, he was of an unrighteous deed, so do not ask what you have no knowledge of. I advise you not to be of the ignorant."
1147 He said "My Lord, I seek refuge with You from asking You what I do not have knowledge of. And if You do not forgive me and have mercy on me, I will be of the losers!"Abraham 604 There has been a good example set for you by Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people "We are innocent from you and what you serve besides God. We have rejected you, and it appears that there shall be animosity and hatred between us and you until you believe in God alone." Except for the saying of Abraham to his father "I will ask forgiveness for you, but I do not possess any power to protect you from God." "Our Lord, we have put our trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the final destiny."
David 3822 When they entered upon David, he was startled by them. They said "Have no fear. We are two who have disputed, and one has wronged the other, so judge between us with the truth, and do not wrong us, and guide us to the right path."
3823 "This is my brother and he owns ninety-nine lambs, while I own one lamb; so he said to me 'Let me take care of it' and he pressured me."
3824 He said "He has wronged you by asking to combine your lamb with his lambs. And many who mix their properties take advantage of one another, except those who believe and do good works, and these are very few." And David guessed that We had tested him, so he sought forgiveness from his Lord, and fell down kneeling, and repented.Moses 2815 And he entered the city unexpectedly, without being noticed by the people. He found in it two men who were fighting, one was from his clan, and the other was from that of his enemy. So the one who was from his clan called on him for help against his enemy, whereby Moses punched him, killing him. He said "This is from the work of the devil; he is an enemy that clearly misleads."
Jonah 37139 And Jonah was one of the messengers.
37140 When he escaped to the charged ship.
37141 And he was guilty, so he became among the losers.Solomon 3832 He then said "I have enjoyed the material things over the remembrance of my Lord, until it has become completely veiled!"
3833 "Send them back." He then rubbed their legs and necks.
3834 And We had tested Solomon, and slumped a form upon his throne, then he repented.Unknown 2187 And the one with 'N,' when he went off in anger, and he thought that We would not be able to take him. Then he called out in the darkness "There is no god except You! Glory be to You, I was of the wicked!"
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Salam to all,
Did prophet Muhammad sin?
943 God pardon you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you who are truthful, and who are lying?
481 We have given you a clear conquest.
482 So that God may forgive your present sins, and those past, and so that He may complete His blessings upon you, and guide you on a straight path.Please brothers and sisters explain this verses to me.
God bless all
Peace brother Centi...
Flawless human.. ufff Impossible...
Prophets are human like any other.. At the same same time they were messengers and believers.. The reason every human was created is to test and Messengers are not exempted.. Just coz they were placed with message doesn't mean they don't make mistakes... For me according to Quran all are prone to make mistakes... That is why human are to ask for forgiveness... No one want to ask for forgiveness unless he is free from evil... Do we ask forgiveness in Janna.. I doubt and clear No.. Coz God has forgiven us at the day of judgement.. And from there onwards we are not gonna make mistakes... We only applaud God in Janna. Not we ask for forgiveness.. If we do that's strange ... If there is any verse show me and correct me..
Centi you are a human and how come you think another human doesn't do mistake.. Impossible after getting birth as human..I leave you with this verse to ponder..
1661 " And if Allah were to impose blame on the people for their wrongdoing, He would not have left upon the earth any creature, but He defers them for a specified term. And when their term has come, they will not remain behind an hour, nor will they precede ."
As other member explained, just ponder on other messengers destiny as well.. All did mistakes.. Even Quran expose OR not sure they would have...Don't you see when Yousuf was tested by the Woman, Yousuf said he may incline to their desire... So naturally he is fallible unless control himself.. And God's mercy as well..
Pls don't differentiate Muhamed with other messengers... If others are, why he is exempted.. For what reason. Is it coz hadith say so? Or you regard him high above others..If Muhamed is never someone who commit mistakes... Then God doesn't need to warn him.. Why to warn someone who is never done mistakes in the past and never expected to make mistakes in the future.. If his life is created to be free from mistakes no need to warn that too with stern warning .
What is the warning? 6944-46
That's in my understanding is mighty warning that almost he would have done unless warned... -
Peace brother Centi...
Flawless human.. ufff Impossible...
Prophets are human like any other.. At the same same time they were messengers and believers.. The reason every human was created is to test and Messengers are not exempted.. Just coz they were placed with message doesn't mean they don't make mistakes... For me according to Quran all are prone to make mistakes... That is why human are to ask for forgiveness... No one want to ask for forgiveness unless he is free from evil... Do we ask forgiveness in Janna.. I doubt and clear No.. Coz God has forgiven us at the day of judgement.. And from there onwards we are not gonna make mistakes... We only applaud God in Janna. Not we ask for forgiveness.. If we do that's strange ... If there is any verse show me and correct me..
Centi you are a human and how come you think another human doesn't do mistake.. Impossible after getting birth as human..I leave you with this verse to ponder..
1661 " And if Allah were to impose blame on the people for their wrongdoing, He would not have left upon the earth any creature, but He defers them for a specified term. And when their term has come, they will not remain behind an hour, nor will they precede ."
As other member explained, just ponder on other messengers destiny as well.. All did mistakes.. Even Quran expose OR not sure they would have...Don't you see when Yousuf was tested by the Woman, Yousuf said he may incline to their desire... So naturally he is fallible unless control himself.. And God's mercy as well..
Pls don't differentiate Muhamed with other messengers... If others are, why he is exempted.. For what reason. Is it coz hadith say so? Or you regard him high above others..If Muhamed is never someone who commit mistakes... Then God doesn't need to warn him.. Why to warn someone who is never done mistakes in the past and never expected to make mistakes in the future.. If his life is created to be free from mistakes no need to warn that too with stern warning .
What is the warning? 6944-46
That's in my understanding is mighty warning that almost he would have done unless warned...Salam brother jkhan,
I got what your saying. But is mistake and sin synonymous?
Al-Baqarah 281
بَلَىٰ مَن كَسَبَ سَيِّئَةً وَأَحَٰطَتْ بِهِۦ خَطِيٓـَٔتُهُۥ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ أَصْحَٰبُ ٱلنَّارِۖ هُمْ فِيهَا خَٰلِدُونَ
281 Bala man kasaba sayyi-atan waahatatbihi khatee-atuhu faola-ika as-h
Yes, whoever earns evil and his sin has encompassed him - those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally.
is sayyitan and khatee-atuhu same as sin
Al-Baqarah 2173
إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ ٱلْمَيْتَةَ وَٱلدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ ٱلْخِنزِيرِ وَمَآ أُهِلَّ بِهِۦ لِغَيْرِ ٱللَّهِۖ فَمَنِ ٱضْطُرَّ غَيْرَ بَاغٍ وَلَا عَادٍ فَلَآ إِثْمَ عَلَيْهِۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced , neither desiring nor transgressing , there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Ithm is sin?
Al-Fath 482
لِّيَغْفِرَ لَكَ ٱللَّهُ مَا تَقَدَّمَ مِن ذَنۢبِكَ وَمَا تَأَخَّرَ وَيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُۥ عَلَيْكَ وَيَهْدِيَكَ صِرَٰطًا مُّسْتَقِيمًا
That Allah may forgive for you what preceded of your sin and what will follow and complete His favor upon you and guide you to a straight path
Dhunub
Are all these words same meaning dhunub, sayyitan, khath'a and ithim as sins or a mistake.
Is disobeying God a sin or mistake?
Help please make
God bless
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Salam brother jkhan,
I got what your saying. But is mistake and sin synonymous?
Al-Baqarah 281
بَلَىٰ مَن كَسَبَ سَيِّئَةً وَأَحَٰطَتْ بِهِۦ خَطِيٓـَٔتُهُۥ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ أَصْحَٰبُ ٱلنَّارِۖ هُمْ فِيهَا خَٰلِدُونَ
281 Bala man kasaba sayyi-atan waahatatbihi khatee-atuhu faola-ika as-h
Yes, whoever earns evil and his sin has encompassed him - those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally.
is sayyitan and khatee-atuhu same as sin
Al-Baqarah 2173
إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ ٱلْمَيْتَةَ وَٱلدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ ٱلْخِنزِيرِ وَمَآ أُهِلَّ بِهِۦ لِغَيْرِ ٱللَّهِۖ فَمَنِ ٱضْطُرَّ غَيْرَ بَاغٍ وَلَا عَادٍ فَلَآ إِثْمَ عَلَيْهِۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced , neither desiring nor transgressing , there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Ithm is sin?
Al-Fath 482
لِّيَغْفِرَ لَكَ ٱللَّهُ مَا تَقَدَّمَ مِن ذَنۢبِكَ وَمَا تَأَخَّرَ وَيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُۥ عَلَيْكَ وَيَهْدِيَكَ صِرَٰطًا مُّسْتَقِيمًا
That Allah may forgive for you what preceded of your sin and what will follow and complete His favor upon you and guide you to a straight path
Dhunub
Are all these words same meaning dhunub, sayyitan, khath'a and ithim as sins or a mistake.
Is disobeying God a sin or mistake?
Help please make
God bless
Peace..
Good question... But you got to compare all the verses bro.. Read all verses of all those words occur and comprehend on the context of the verses... Then decide what actually each word usage defines.. And choose best suitable meaning..
I know what they mean for my understanding... And I am fine with it.. Try to get what exactly they mean. ..
For example compare 2458 where junah appears.. So you can understand the magnitude of junah there. Then Likewise compare all and present your view so that others would help you out... And it would make your understanding easy for you..Context of the verse and comparison makes much more meaningful when we need meaning of certain verses in reality..
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Salam to all,
Did prophet Muhammad sin?
943 God pardon you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you who are truthful, and who are lying?
481 We have given you a clear conquest.
482 So that God may forgive your present sins, and those past, and so that He may complete His blessings upon you, and guide you on a straight path.Please brothers and sisters explain this verses to me.
God bless all
Peace
If he was without sin, then I don't think he would have been on this planet. He would have been in heaven. So I'm confident that he had committed sins at least before he became a prophet. I also think after he became a prophet he strived to increase in sincerity to God. Also, if God pardons someone, it is because that someone did something wrong. You do not pardon someone for not doing something wrong.
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Salam all,
The notion that Muhammad is a holy man without sin, I believe is highly influenced by Sunni teaching.
Let's ponder some verses related to the topic.
And He found you lost, and He guided you?
He was lost and then God guided him.
O prophet, why do you make forbidden what God has made permissible for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
He made mistake by making forbidden what God has made permissible.
He frowned and turned away.
When the blind one came to him.
And what makes you know, perhaps he is seeking to purify?
Or to remember, so the remembrance will benefit him?
As for the one who was rich.
You were addressing yourself to him.
And why does it concern you that he does not want to purify?
And as for the one who came to you seeking.
While he was concerned.
You were too occupied for him.Reminded due to mistake in behaving differently due to different "class" of people coming to him.
God pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you who are truthful, and who are lying?
He made mistake by giving permission before it became clear whether it was justified.
And if God were to call the people to account for their transgression, He would not have left on it a single creature. But He delays them to a determined time; so when their time comes, they do not delay by one hour and they do not advance.
Muhammad is also a creature just like us.
Wassalam
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Salam all,
The notion that Muhammad is a holy man without sin, I believe is highly influenced by Sunni teaching.
Let's ponder some verses related to the topic.
And He found you lost, and He guided you?
He was lost and then God guided him.
O prophet, why do you make forbidden what God has made permissible for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
He made mistake by making forbidden what God has made permissible.
He frowned and turned away.
When the blind one came to him.
And what makes you know, perhaps he is seeking to purify?
Or to remember, so the remembrance will benefit him?
As for the one who was rich.
You were addressing yourself to him.
And why does it concern you that he does not want to purify?
And as for the one who came to you seeking.
While he was concerned.
You were too occupied for him.Reminded due to mistake in behaving differently due to different "class" of people coming to him.
God pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you who are truthful, and who are lying?
He made mistake by giving permission before it became clear whether it was justified.
And if God were to call the people to account for their transgression, He would not have left on it a single creature. But He delays them to a determined time; so when their time comes, they do not delay by one hour and they do not advance.
Muhammad is also a creature just like us.
Wassalam
Salam to all
481 We have given you a clear conquest.
482 so that God might show His forgiveness of all thy faults, past as well as future, and bestow upon thee the full measure of His blessings, and guide thee on a straight way.
Does this verse say that prophet Muhammad had sinned and will sin but God will forgive him.
Or I may understand it incorrectly
Your comment brother and sisters is welcomed
God bless all
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The treatement of the story of Salomon in sura 38, verses 31-33, by different translators in history is a good example by representing the final stage of "sinless Prophets” theology that now completely controls Muslim theology.
Solomon is presented with horses in the evening (verse 31). Then the translators disagree on the next verse.
Yusuf Ali (20th century) translates it, “Truly do I love the love of good, with a view to the glory of my Lord.” (http//www.quran4u.com/Tafsiraya/038%20Saad.pdf)Ibn Kathir (14th century) reverses the meaning. “I did love the good instead of remembering my lord.” There then follows a verse about how Solomon patted the horses and that God tried him. This obscurity leads Ibn Kathir into several pages of traditions about Solomon neglecting his evening prayers while admiring the horses and this leads him to slaughter them in repentance. He mixes this with a story of Aisha playing with her toy horse after the Battle of Khaybar or Tabuk. Yusuf Ali’s reverse interpretation begins with the telling statement, “The story is not found in the Old Testament.” His interpretation is the exact opposite of Ibn Kathir “Solomon was also the most meticulous in not allowing the least motive of self to be mixed up with his spiritual virtues.”
Mazhar (21th century) (https//www.haqeeqat.pk/Quran.Corpus-9PartSura38-49.htm) is also disagree with Ibn Kathir but with an another interpreation than Yusuf Ali " I have found the love of benefaction coming from the remembrance of my Sustainer Lord (best activity at this time) until the Sun would have disappeared from sight by the veil of night (verse 32).
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Another interpretation of the story of Solomon
Soloman in surah SAAd
3830-40
وَوَهَبنا لِداوۥدَ سُلَيمٰنَ نِعمَ العَبدُ إِنَّهُ أَوّابٌإِذ عُرِضَ عَلَيهِ بِالعَشِىِّ الصّٰفِنٰتُ الجِيادُ
فَقالَ إِنّى أَحبَبتُ حُبَّ الخَيرِ عَن ذِكرِ رَبّى حَتّىٰ تَوارَت بِالحِجابِ
رُدّوها عَلَىَّ فَطَفِقَ مَسحًا بِالسّوقِ وَالأَعناقِ
وَلَقَد فَتَنّا سُلَيمٰنَ وَأَلقَينا عَلىٰ كُرسِيِّهِ جَسَدًا ثُمَّ أَنابَ
قالَ رَبِّ اغفِر لى وَهَب لى مُلكًا لا يَنبَغى لِأَحَدٍ مِن بَعدى إِنَّكَ أَنتَ الوَهّابُ
فَسَخَّرنا لَهُ الرّيحَ تَجرى بِأَمرِهِ رُخاءً حَيثُ أَصابَ
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I struggled with the popular explanation of these verses(summary)like
Solomon was devoted to GOD, and once was preoccupied with his horses in the afternoon,he forgot the Asr prayer and when it was too late and the sun gone down, he started to repent,then got rid of his horses by patting them on the necks to say his goodbye!!!Try as I may,I never settled for this because of the following
1-Sun never mentioned.
2-prayer of Asr never mentioned.
3- getting rid of horses never mentioned
The actual Arabic never says these three things.Then contexts ,logic and other meanings possibilities led me to the following explanation( summary of each verse)
3830. Solomon inherited David s kingdom. He was a devotee to GOD Alone.
3831 The cavalierly-horses regiment- was brought to him for checking one afternoon.
3832 He said I like this great gift From GOD to remember Him by doing some good with them. While the cavalierly( disappeared-trial to show him- behind a curtain of dust
38.33 On their return-by his order- he patted each horse in turn- in recognition for their beauty and power?-
3834 We have tried Solomon, on collapsing like a dead body on his chair- from the day of duty to the kingdom- Then by reflecting He repented praying
38 35 He said GOD forgive me- (for not managing properly/not doing justice to the kingdom s responsibility)- and give me a kingdom tailored for me -my capabilities- not others You are the giver /grantor.
3835-40 GOD answered his prayer and helped him manage the kingdom by providing others and materials...etc.God bless.
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Another interpretation of the story of Solomon
3832 He said I like this great gift From GOD to remember Him by doing some good with them. While the cavalierly( disappeared-trial to show him- behind a curtain of dustThank you for sharing, but I think your interpretation shows how personal opinions may interfere with a literal understanding of the text, even if it means is changing the original meaning.
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First, the key word for the understanding of this passage is the word awwābun of verse (3830) => "one who (repeatedly) turned"Moreover (and this is not a coincidence) this word is found 4 times in its nominal form in Sura 38
(381711) awwābun / repeatedly turning وَاذْكُرْ عَبْدَنَا دَاوُودَ ذَا الْأَيْدِ إِنَّهُ أَوَّابٌ
(38195) awwābun / repeatedly turning وَالطَّيْرَ مَحْشُورَةً كُلٌّ لَهُ أَوَّابٌ
(38307) awwābun / (was) one who repeatedly turned وَوَهَبْنَا لِدَاوُودَ سُلَيْمَانَ نِعْمَ الْعَبْدُ إِنَّهُ أَوَّابٌ
(384414) awwābun / repeatedly turned إِنَّا وَجَدْنَاهُ صَابِرًا نِعْمَ الْعَبْدُ إِنَّهُ أَوَّابٌ2/
Then, the literal translation of verse (3822) is as followsfaqāla innī aḥbabtu ḥubba l-khayri ʿan dhik'ri rabbī ḥattā tawārat bil-ḥijābi
And he said, "Indeed, I I preferred (the) love (of) the good over (the) remembrance (of) my Lord Until they were hidden in the veil=> Form IV "aḥbabtu + ʿan" = to love better, to prefer.
Conclusion
Bringing all together these elements make the understanding of this text clear
"he preferred the goods of this world, symbolized by the horses, rather than turning to God in the evening (in prayer), as his father David taught him to do (verse 3818-19) in the morning and in the evening".
Verse (3830) links the story of David with that of Solomon.God bless you too.
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That is fine.
I just sent it for info.
No worries brother.
Thank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
