Honestly This topic is leading me to disbelieve
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Peace jkhan
U said Your disbelief will not hurt or make anyone dissapointed here.. Just your are responsible for your neck..
I know
U said In those verses aswaj and MMA are mentioned saying Where is marriage mentioned for MMA.. So impatient you are.. So where is marriage mentioned for aswaj in the same verse.. Why Aswaj automatically becomes marriage partner and not MMA.. Use your logic... So I can also claim, God says in 56 and 7030 Men can breach chastity with partners and MMA.. Regardless they marry or not..
LoL… brother azwaj means spouse…. And spouse is someone u are married with ….
Peace Good logic
U said I see no issues 3350
Brother i mentioned 7030 and you said او means that is according to asas so 7030 means save their wives that is what their legally posess … so ok azwaj in this verse isnt seperate from mma
But in 3350 يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ إِنَّا أَحْلَلْنَا لَكَ أَزْوَاجَكَ اللَّاتِي آتَيْتَ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ يَمِينُكَ مِمَّا أَفَاءَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمَّاتِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالَاتِكَ اللَّاتِي هَاجَرْنَ مَعَكَ وَامْرَأَةً مُؤْمِنَةً إِنْ وَهَبَتْ نَفْسَهَا لِلنَّبِيِّ إِنْ أَرَادَ النَّبِيُّ أَنْ يَسْتَنْكِحَهَا خَالِصَةً لَكَ مِنْ دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۗ قَدْ عَلِمْنَا مَا فَرَضْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِي أَزْوَاجِهِمْ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ لِكَيْلَا يَكُونَ عَلَيْكَ حَرَجٌ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَحِيمًا
At the last part of the verse God said we know what we said about their Wives and theirMMA so its clear that those 2 are different things
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Peace jkhan
U said Your disbelief will not hurt or make anyone dissapointed here.. Just your are responsible for your neck..
I know
U said In those verses aswaj and MMA are mentioned saying Where is marriage mentioned for MMA.. So impatient you are.. So where is marriage mentioned for aswaj in the same verse.. Why Aswaj automatically becomes marriage partner and not MMA.. Use your logic... So I can also claim, God says in 56 and 7030 Men can breach chastity with partners and MMA.. Regardless they marry or not..
LoL… brother azwaj means spouse…. And spouse is someone u are married with ….
Peace Good logic
U said I see no issues 3350
Brother i mentioned 7030 and you said او means that is according to asas so 7030 means save their wives that is what their legally posess … so ok azwaj in this verse isnt seperate from mma
But in 3350 يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ إِنَّا أَحْلَلْنَا لَكَ أَزْوَاجَكَ اللَّاتِي آتَيْتَ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ يَمِينُكَ مِمَّا أَفَاءَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمَّاتِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالَاتِكَ اللَّاتِي هَاجَرْنَ مَعَكَ وَامْرَأَةً مُؤْمِنَةً إِنْ وَهَبَتْ نَفْسَهَا لِلنَّبِيِّ إِنْ أَرَادَ النَّبِيُّ أَنْ يَسْتَنْكِحَهَا خَالِصَةً لَكَ مِنْ دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۗ قَدْ عَلِمْنَا مَا فَرَضْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِي أَزْوَاجِهِمْ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ لِكَيْلَا يَكُونَ عَلَيْكَ حَرَجٌ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَحِيمًا
At the last part of the verse God said we know what we said about their Wives and theirMMA so its clear that those 2 are different things
Very unfortunate.. You don't understand...
Nothing to mention about rest of what I have written and only you found aswaj...
For you aswaj may mean wife... Well fine.. Buy for me.. Aswaj = partner / wife / spouse / mate..Not verses 41 or 719 2166 or 3021
And many more.. I take these verses as partner.. That is to say life partner.. Is it must that one should marry to have a life partner unless someone else constituted law..These verses say CREATED for you your partner.. Created? What? Wife created or partner can be created.. A married woman created? Lol.. Partner suits best.. But with law legally bound..
Adam and his partner... Were they married while they were in Janna.. Read above verses carefully.. That's a different thing..
Anyway aswaj in 56 and 7030 are partners.. But God applies conditions that you can't have partners without mahar is paid.. In our language marriage..
With your partner and MMA.. They both simply under category of after marriage.. That's obvious in 56 and 7030.. Apply only to aswaj after marriage is meaningless while charity depends only in sex..That's all.. Make it or break it.. All Your choice..
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Peace
Its hard to accept for me that all of the translators did a mistake by translating azwaj as wives and spouses in this verse
https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/70/30/
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانْكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُمْ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُبَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا
This verse…..
MMA are nisa… arent they?
This verse says if you feat that cannot be just to orphans marry 2-3-4 from nisa… but if u cant be just to your wives… then only one from nisa… or a mma….
This is about marriage with mma?? U mean this verse say if you cant be just … then marry one nisa or marry an mma?!
MMA arent nisa=women?
If its about marriage with mma…. Why this verse seperated mma from nisa?!
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Peace Mahdi.
MMA has many different meanings. It can mean wives in case of 3350 why?
Because it is taking about 2 kinds. Wives with dowries added to MMA -What are already wives before that-. That s all it means.MMA just means-Those you are responsible for - In cases of marriage it means wife/husband. In other cases it is children yours or adopted, servants, people under your responsibility. Sometimes freed slaves are added to that category. It depends on the context and subject.
GOD bless you.
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Peace good logic
This meaning have problems too…
3350 says وَمَا مَلَكَتْ يَمِينُكَ مِمَّا أَفَاءَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكَ
مما افاء الله علیک , what does it mean?
Its the same thing used for booty of war
Read 596Peace GA
No im not abadoning abraham faith….
He was a monotheist and i am monotheist too…
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Then what is the "major" and "minor" premises for your "conclusion"?
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GENERAL RULE
And do not go near to fornication. It is an indecent act, an evil way. (1732) Of all such things, these wrongs are most hateful in the sight of your Lord (173
Peace
my english is poor …. i dont undestand what you say…
i dont get the relationship of picture you have sent with my problem
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This is not about "English", this is about "Logic" (Abraham's faith) ... have you study Logic/MANTIQ?
If not, then how can people interpret the Quran without Kalaam/Logic/Mantic/Falsafa/Reality etc?
What makes them understand those legal issues/justice?
Through the Quranist (interpreters) interpretation methodology? rotfl
That makes sense to you?
"O my Lord! Truly my people took this Quran for just foolish nonsense." (2530) No, the fact is that they have denied something which their knowledge/1117 does not embrace/482 and the meaning/4252-53 of which has not yet reached/1047 them. In the same way those before them also denied the truth. See the final fate of the wrongdoers! (1039)
A little…. Not academic….The more i wanted to be logical with quran…. More confusing it gets
1-God says i am most merciful, more merciful than your mother
2-my mother never wants to see me being hurt, or she doesnt want to see me being burned in fire
3-but God says that if you dont beleive in me…. i will burn you in fire forever
There is 2 conclusion
1-God wont burn me in fire… which isnt truth… he said i will do my promise
2-God isnt more merciful than my mother……..
In the case of MMAGod says اللَّهَ لَا يَأْمُرُ بِالْفَحْشَاءِ ۖ
But in everyway i want to justify the meaning of MMA it is in contrast with this verse…. -
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Peace Mahdi.
Ma Afaa= GOD gives/grants/restores...
GOD is talking to the prophet. A believer. Once we submit ,we are accepting GOD s will. GOD gives everything we have or takes away. We accept that GOD does everything. This is total submission from a believer.
Everything the prophet does is from GOD. So in 3350 and 596 GOD granted and restoredGOD granted the MMA to the prophet in 3350
GOD restored through the spoils of war to the prophet 596.-Also the believers when they emigrated they lost their wealth- A believer will accept both.
Of course we do things,take decisions and receive things,like the prophet did, but in reality it is GOD who owns everything. He gives or takes away according to His knowledge(We call it our efforts/works/things).
So in reality GOD is in control.
GOD bless you.
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Peace
Its hard to accept for me that all of the translators did a mistake by translating azwaj as wives and spouses in this verse
https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/70/30/
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانْكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُمْ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُبَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا
This verse…..
MMA are nisa… arent they?
This verse says if you feat that cannot be just to orphans marry 2-3-4 from nisa… but if u cant be just to your wives… then only one from nisa… or a mma….
This is about marriage with mma?? U mean this verse say if you cant be just … then marry one nisa or marry an mma?!
MMA arent nisa=women?
If its about marriage with mma…. Why this verse seperated mma from nisa?!
Correction pls.. Not 2166 but 26166..
I am very sorry.. I have to say the same thing that GA told.. It is not English bit it is about logic...
Why complicate now with new word.. Nissa..
Brother.. Allah has not allowed children in marriage... They should reach a period they can perceive well ..read well verse 46.. No child marriage in Quran's law..So God perfectly use the word Nissa.. Woman..
These orphans are not MMA.. There could be even in MMA orphans genuinely but here orphans are not MMA.. try to grasp it with flow of verses.
These Orphan girls once matured as woman you need to submit their property to them, and you have the responsibility of marrying them off. But if you fear for any of the untold reasons, allowed for the one who was the guardian of those orphans.. But one is perfect since he is already in fear.. So that's a free marriage.. A marriage with a free woman.. Not with MMA..Apart from marrying a single free woman, marry those who are MMA if you want..
Does this verse apply directly to women or men.. Law is for men.. Mind that..
Regarding translation of aswaj.. Well I don't care what all translators did... I respect them.. They did their job within their understanding..
Most of the major translators translated Zakath = financial charity (mandatory)
Ummi = illiterate..
Who cares.. When God whispers to me otherwise..Aswaj
26165-166 "Do you approach males(dhukaran) among the worlds, And leave what your Lord has created for you of partners(zswaj)? But you are a people transgressing."Your headings are so misleading but when we emphasis on that you say with creepy answer "I know"
You have decided DESCRPANCY... and you have decided HONESTLY this topic is leading you to disbelieve.. So you heading to a path.. And you claim you believe... But your words describe contrary to that...
Anyway.. I can't tolerate with you.. Coz you don't understand my explanation.. If in case if don't understand what I wrote.. I am sorry.. But if intention is something else then.. God bless you.. -
Peace Mahdi.
Ma Afaa= GOD gives/grants/restores...
GOD is talking to the prophet. A believer. Once we submit ,we are accepting GOD s will. GOD gives everything we have or takes away. We accept that GOD does everything. This is total submission from a believer.
Everything the prophet does is from GOD. So in 3350 and 596 GOD granted and restoredGOD granted the MMA to the prophet in 3350
GOD restored through the spoils of war to the prophet 596.-Also the believers when they emigrated they lost their wealth- A believer will accept both.
Of course we do things,take decisions and receive things,like the prophet did, but in reality it is GOD who owns everything. He gives or takes away according to His knowledge(We call it our efforts/works/things).
So in reality GOD is in control.GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace Good logic… didnt God granted the prophet wives to him? Why God wanted to choose payed their dowries to them for azwaj…. And God granted to you(or gived too you as a booty/captive of war) for MMA?
Why God choosed this words type of words to mislead 99% of translators and 99% of people? Why God didnt used افاء الله علیک for both azwaj and mma? Or vice versa
Peace jkhan…. Even soft translations like FM translation and Dr shabbir ahmed choosed spouse or wives….
How can 99.9% percent of arabs do a mistake in translation of 7030? Even quranists like dr shabbir or brother layth
U said These orphans are not MMA.. There could be even in MMA orphans genuinely but here orphans are not MMA.. try to grasp it with flow of verses.
These Orphan girls once matured as woman you need to submit their property to them, and you have the responsibility of marrying them off. But if you fear for any of the untold reasons, allowed for the one who was the guardian of those orphans.. But one is perfect since he is already in fear.. So that's a free marriage.. A marriage with a free woman.. Not with MMA..Apart from marrying a single free woman, marry those who are MMA if you want..
How this interpretation comes from? i think i get it wrong… where this verse is talking about marrying off the orphans?
U said Your headings are so misleading but when we emphasis on that you say with creepy answer "I know”
This “i know” was a answer to “ Just your are responsible for your neck.. ”
U said You have decided DESCRPANCY... and you have decided HONESTLY this topic is leading you to disbelieve.. So you heading to a path.. And you claim you believe... But your words describe contrary to that...
Ok…. If its your mindset…. Its ok no more talk, im done giveup
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Peace Mahdi.
Why has GOD granted me my wife? And why has GOD granted my wife me, her husband? GOD granted us each other.
GOD grants everyone their wife/ves /husband/s if they marry or remarry. GOD grants us our children ,our wealth and everything we have.
GOD grants us our life and death. Everything belongs to GOD.
GOD granted Moses his mother and the Pharaoh s family to bring him up. GOD granted Moses the messenger-ship.
GOD does everything as far as believers are concerned.GOD bless you .
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Peace good logic….
i know God granted everything for us…. My question was something elsei write it again Peace Good logic… didnt God granted the prophet wives to him? Why God wanted to choose payed their dowries to them for azwaj…. And God granted to you(or gived too you as a booty/captive of war) for MMA?
Why God choosed this words type of words to mislead 99% of translators and 99% of people? Why God didnt used افاء الله علیک for both azwaj and mma? Or vice versa(i mean Why God didnt used different words for azwaj and mma after mentioning them)
Peace wakas
From the same verses that you mentioned in study quran
Sex
conception and pregnancy (see Pregnancy)
consort with wives in a goodly manner 419
don't force female slaves into prostitution 2433
during Ramadhan 2187
is what your spouse is for, so do it! 2187, 2222-223
with slaves is legal 236, 3350, 3352, 7030 (alternate interpretation)(i noticed i wrongly writed sex with captured enemy women… captives must be released…. But anyway the problem isnt solved….. i change Go capture enemy women and have sex with them….. i am trying tooooo hard to prove that quran dont say such things…. But i am failed —-> Go buy female slavesand have sex with them(or have sex with uour already owned slaves)i am trying tooooo hard to prove that quran dont say such things…. But i am failed)
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Free-Minds has turned into a bizarre amusement factory.
Fornication is illegal in Islam as Green Anarchism has pointed out.
(you can't make this stuff up!)
Another person actually cares about how old was Noah. wow
Then there's another member on a bash Muhammad tirade. rotflHow about what the Quran offers
In the name of Allah the Yielder the Merciful
Major Commandments
You shall not set up any other god beside GOD, lest you end up despised and disgraced.
Your Lord has decreed that you shall not worship except Him, and your parents shall be honored. As long as one or both of them live, you shall never say to them, "Uff" (the slightest gesture of annoyance), nor shall you shout at them; you shall treat them amicably.
And lower for them the wings of humility, and kindness, and say, "My Lord, have mercy on them, for they have raised me from infancy."
Your Lord is fully aware of your innermost thoughts. If you maintain righteousness, He is Forgiver of those who repent.
You shall give the due alms to the relatives, the needy, the poor, and the traveling alien, but do not be excessive, extravagant.
The extravagant are brethren of the devils, and the devil is unappreciative of his Lord.
Even if you have to turn away from them, as you pursue the mercy of your Lord, you shall treat them in the nicest manner.
Stinginess Condemned
You shall not keep your hand stingily tied to your neck, nor shall you foolishly open it up, lest you end up blamed and sorry.
For your Lord increases the provision for anyone He chooses, and reduces it. He is fully Cognizant of His creatures, Seer.
Abortion is Murder
You shall not kill your children due to fear of poverty. We provide for them, as well as for you. Killing them is a gross offense.
You shall not commit adultery; it is a gross sin, and an evil behavior.
You shall not kill any person-for GOD has made life sacred-except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder, he will be helped.
You shall not touch the orphans' money except for their own good, until they reach maturity. You shall fulfill your covenants, for a covenant is a great responsibility.
You shall give full measure when you trade, and weigh equitably. This is better and more righteous.
Crucial Advice
You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
You shall not walk proudly on earth -you cannot bore through the earth, nor can you be as tall as the mountains.
All bad behavior is condemned by your Lord.
Quran Is Wisdom
This is some of the wisdom inspired to you by your Lord. You shall not set up another god beside GOD, lest you end up in Gehenna, blamed and defeated.
Has your Lord given you boys, while giving Himself the angels as daughters?! How could you utter such a blasphemy?
We have cited in this Quran (all kinds of examples), that they may take heed. But it only augments their aversion.
Say, "If there were any other gods beside Him, as they claim, they would have tried to overthrow the Possessor of the throne."
Be He glorified, He is much too exalted, far above their utterances.
Everything Glorifies God
Glorifying Him are the seven universes, the earth, and everyone in them. There is nothing that does not glorify Him, but you do not understand their glorification. He is Clement, Forgiver.
Disbelievers Cannot Understand Quran
When you read the Quran, we place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier.
Quran The ONLY Source
We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone,* they run away in aversion.
May Allah guide us all.
peace
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there is no such thing, show me the verses? facts, there is nothing wrong with the Quran... it's just you, with your story rotfl
Brother… where i said you cant marry slaves…. Yes 424 ans 425 say you can marry with your slaves….. its just an option… i mean where Quran said you cant have sex with them when 235-6 3350 and 3352 looks like than you can have sex with them? As they are seperated from azwaj/wives
Even the brother wakas have said at study quranSex with slaves is legal 236, 3350, 3352, 7030 (alternate interpretation)
Brother hawk u said You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
i said i am trying to convince my self that sex with slave is forbidden, but i failed
May God help me
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Verses 236, 3350, 3352, 7030 saying such things? nonsense... read again rotfl
Do you believe in one part of the Book and deny another part of it? (285)
You who have iman! enter Islam totally. Do not follow in the footsteps of Shaytan. He is an outright enemy to you. (220
and bring your verses to invalidate the following verse
MAJOR PREMISE
ELSE it is not from Allah, verse 482 and "Among them is a group who distort the Book with their tongues so that you think it is from the Book when it is not from the Book. They say, ´It is from Allah,´ but it is not from Allah. They tell a lie against Allah and they know it. (37" This is not the utterance of an accursed devil (8125)
What verse?
Brother can you answer this questions to me?
1-why in 7030 mma are seperated from wives
(Doesnt this verse say that you can have sex with wives او mma s?)2-what about 3350?! Especially last part of it
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except from their spouses and from those whom their right hands hold in trust, are free of blame. (7030)
O Prophet! We have made halal for you your wives to whom you have given dowries and any slavegirls you own from the booty Allah has allotted you and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who have made hijra with you and any mumin woman who gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet desires to marry her exclusively for you as opposed to the rest of the muminun — We know very well what We have prescribed for them regarding their wives and any slavegirls they possess — in order that there be no restriction on you. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (3350)
Where does the above invalidate what's haram from the Quran?
Which part does it say fornication is halal, and rule out the following verses (link)?
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611550.msg434768#msg434768
7030 says u can have sex with those whom their right hands hold in trust , doesnt it? They are not wives, you agree?
