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    Noon_waalqalami
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    peace,

    there are apparently 133 = 19 x 7

    157 والارض and the land
    287 الارض the land
    1 وللارض and to the land
    4 ارض land
    3 ارضنا land ours
    3 ارضكم land yours
    1 ارضهم land theirs
    1 وارض and land
    1 وارضا and land of
    1 ارضا land of
    1 ىارض O land
    1 ارضى land mine

    109 السما the sky
    9 والسما and the sky
    1 سما sky
    1 وىاسما and O sky

    185 السموت the skies
    5 سموت skies

    133 السموت the skies والارض and the land
    1 سموت skies ومن and of الارض the land

    15 السما the sky والارض and the land

    5 سبع seven سموت skies
    2 السموت the skies السبع the seven

    heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe
    Heavens = universes

    not always pertains to universe/s; use context can be metaphor.

    1673 وىعبدون and devoting من from دون besides الله the God ما what لا not ىملك reigned لهم for them رزقا provision of من from السموت the skies والارض and the land شىىا thing of ولا and not ىستطىعون capable being

    3424 قل say من who ىرزقكم provisioned you من from السموت the skies والارض and the land

    1031 قل say من who ىرزقكم provisioned you من from السما the sky والارض and the land
    2764 ومن and who ىرزقكم provisioned you من from السما the sky والارض and the land
    353 ىرزقكم provisioned you من from السما the sky والارض and the land
    4013 وىنزل and descended لكم for you من from السما the sky رزقا provision of

    455 واختلف and divergences الىل the night والنهر and the daytime وما and what انزل descends الله the God من from السما the sky من of رزق provision فاحىا so revives به with it الارض the land بعد after موتها death its وتصرىف and directs الرىح the winds اىت signs لقوم for folk ىعقلون reasoning

    5122 وفى and in السما the sky رزقكم provision you وما and what توعدون thou promise being

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      Emre_1974tr
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      not always pertains to universe/s;

      Not always of course. I explain this in more detail in my Turkish article. I have translated it into English as a summary.

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        jkhan
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        HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
        Quran 5122 In the heaven is your provision, and what you are promised. (Paradise and hell are both ready and outside the world, in the sky)

        The prophets living in Paradise will be summoned to the court as witnesses on the Day of Judgment

        Quran 7711 And when the messengers are gathered.

        heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe
        Heavens = universes

        The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

        But it is not infinite.

        Seven universes, for example.

        Other universes have planets too.

        65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

        Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe
        Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

        Quran 21104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

        Quran 3967 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

        Quran A man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying "O my people, follow the messengers. Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided. Why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to Him is your ultimate return? Shall I take gods besides Him? If the Gracious intends any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me in the least, nor can they save me. Then I would be clearly astray. I have acknowledged your Lord, so listen to me! It was said, "Enter Paradise." He said "Oh, how I wish my people only knew of what my Lord has forgiven me, and made me of the honored ones."We did not send down upon his people after him soldiers from the sky; for there was no need to send them down. For all it took was one scream, whereupon they were stilled. (3620-29)

        Quran 1956 And recall in the Book, Enoch; he was a man of truth, a prophet.
        1957 And We raised him to a high place.

        Quran 355 For God said "O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who have rejected until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, all of you,so I will judge between you in what it was that you disputed."

        Prophets and very good peoples in Paradise now. They were created in Paradise (floor of Lord/other universe) without waiting for the Hour.

        But, Other people will wait for the Resurrection for re-creation.

        The Qur'an says that a group of exception people are already living in Paradise.

        And it even tells us that some of them are talking about the world's inhabitants. They say "they(World peoples) will come to us later". However, it is difficult to see them for you because the English translations of the Qur'an do not provide complete sentences.

        Likewise, the verses of the Lord's Floor are also mentioned, but you cannot see it again in English translations. Because, unfortunately, those under the influence of traditional interpretation make translations in their own understanding.

        Yes, according to the Qur'an there are already people living in Paradise.

        And that's where Christians believe that Jesus is in paradise.

        In the false Gospels, the event was described incorrectly, so you could not see the painting until today.

        Jesus and all other messengers/ prophets live in paradise now.

        Quran 3169 Do not count that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving provisions.

        3170 Happy with what God has granted them from His grace, and they rejoice in those who have yet to follow after them. There is no fear upon them nor do they grieve.

        517 Ingrates indeed are those who have said, "God is the Messiah the son of Mary." Say, "Who has any power against God if He had wanted to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother, and all who are on earth!" To God is the sovereignty of heavens and earth and all that is in-between; He creates what He pleases. God is capable of all things. (Jesus and his mother living in other universe, Like other prophets...)

        Quran 848 He will then receive an easy reckoning.
        849 He will return to his family in joy! (The person who is called from Paradise to the day of judgment will return to Paradise again with joy)

        5313 Indeed, he saw him in another descent.
        5314 At the ultimate point.
        5315 Next to the eternal Paradise.
        (Even when the prophet Muhammad lived in the world, he was taken to visit the universe of the Hereafter/ Floor of Lord)

        567 You will be in three groupings.
        568 So those on the right; who will be from those on the right?
        569 Those on the left; who will be from those on the left?
        5610 And those foremost, who will be from those foremost?
        (8th verse about peple who after the apocalyptic blessing will enter the paradise, 9th verse about who will enter hell, and the 10th verse talking about the already pioneering group living in Paradise. Thus, the three classes mentioned in verse 7 are completed)

        1993 When all there is in the heavens and the earth will but come to the Gracious as servants.

        1956 Recall in the book Enoch; he was truthful, a prophet.
        1957 We raised him to a high place.
        (Enoch is living in Paradise now)

        Peace everyone...

        i don't quite understand the mentality of those who claim about universes bla blaa..
        what is in fact UNIVERSE according to Quran? Is there any clue? or you all depend on Science fiction... whatever they say is just sheer theory and conjecture and not EMPIRICAL evidences...

        how can there be a universe which doesn't consist earth? Is earth part of universe or not according to your science? in fact .. Big YES...
        Then why God would say He created Seven Universes one above another and Earth?
        It totally doesn't make any tangible sense.. .pure nonsensical logic..

        Yes God said He Created Seven Samawathi and similar of Earth...For this First find out what samawathi are ? By just giving the science fiction to this particular word... If one find out what samawathi in the eyes of God then it is very simple to know what He meant by similar of Earth...

        don't live in a fantasy world.. just find out the reality and the real world which we live...

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          Emre_1974tr
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          Peace everyone...

          i don't quite understand th

          You're the one living in the fantasy world, jkhan. I hope one day you will be freed from the influence of hadiths and its source, the Bible, and you will see the multi-universe and multi-planet and the living things that live there, which the Qur'an clearly states.

          Peace

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            You're the one living in the fantasy world, jkhan. I hope one day you will be freed from the influence of hadiths and its source, the Bible, and you will see the multi-universe and multi-planet and the living things that live there, which the Qur'an clearly states.

            Peace

            oh.. please don't include me into your fantasy world... i am living in the real world which we all perceive and which we all live (you and me)...
            Fantasy world is that of science fiction which has no reality ... no real videos no real picture... all just CGIs..
            can't they even keep a camara to any of the rocket from the beginning to space station?
            just leave them..
            let's think within quran.. If Samawathi is Universe then what is universe in reality ? Does that include Earth or not? if Yes.. Did God created seven universes and similar number of earths? come on ... let's make some sense out of Quran verses

            i would like all of you read this link which indicates basic seven reasons why Earth is sphere..

            http//crosstalk.cell.com/blog/seven-ways-to-prove-earth-is-round

            are these really convincing proofs for someone to accept? the one who has immense knowledge about nature would debunk all seven questions easily.... look at no. 01 question.. oh shame..

            REQUEST is there anyone who is good at in drawing, if so would you please draw me a picture of the spherical earth... oops... but with conditions...
            1.. remove all curved atmosphere which is almost 10000kms from the surface of the earth
            2.... remove all seawater from earth..

            now show me the real picture of the earth so that we can see the curvature from that picture...oh rubbish.. based on that we can deduce answers to their number 01 question in the link..

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              Emre_1974tr
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              oh.. please don't include me into your fantasy world... i am living in the real world which we all perceive and which we all live (you and me)...
              Fantasy world is that of science fiction which has no reality ... no real videos no real picture... all just CGIs..
              can't they even keep a camara to any of the rocket from the beginning to space station?
              just leave them..
              let's think within quran.. If Samawathi is Universe then what is universe in reality ? Does that include Earth or not? if Yes.. Did God created seven universes and similar number of earths? come on ... let's make some sense out of Quran verses

              i would like all of you read this link which indicates basic seven reasons why Earth is sphere..

              http//crosstalk.cell.com/blog/seven-ways-to-prove-earth-is-round

              are these really convincing proofs for someone to accept? the one who has immense knowledge about nature would debunk all seven questions easily.... look at no. 01 question.. oh shame..

              Your situation is more critical than I thought, my friend, I'm sorry for you.

              In the meantime, they can use cgi images to hide the size of our planet, they can also do fake spacewalks for other interests.

              But the world is a sphere. You're the one living in the fantasy world, jkhan. I hope one day you will be freed from the influence of hadiths and its source, the Bible, and you will see the multi-universe and multi-planet and the living things that live there, which the Qur'an clearly states.

              Peace

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                jkhan
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                Your situation is more critical than I thought, my friend, I'm sorry for you.

                In the meantime, they can use cgi images to hide the size of our planet, they can also do fake spacewalks for other interests.

                But the world is a sphere. You're the one living in the fantasy world, jkhan. I hope one day you will be freed from the influence of hadiths and its source, the Bible, and you will see the multi-universe and multi-planet and the living things that live there, which the Qur'an clearly states.

                Peace

                Don't feel sorry for me brother... coz in sha allah i will die with that belief...

                Hadith bible has no connection with me to influence me to accept what i have accepted... have i ever mentioned so for you to write what you have written..

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                  Emre_1974tr
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                  Don't feel sorry for me brother... coz in sha allah i will die with that belief...

                  No, I hope you will realize your mistake and turn to the truth about these universes, my brother.

                  If they are not Hadith, Bible and the flat earth current of today's christians etc. you wouldn't have thought of the model of the world you are thinking of now.

                  I can see multiverses and multiplanets not because today's scientific world advocates multiverse and multiplanet, but thanks to my own observations and Quran verses.

                  If I were someone who followed what was said in the name of science, I would be advocating for vaccines right now, but on the contrary, I say stay away from vaccines, right? I saying stay away from hospitals, do not get official covid treatment.

                  Again, if I were someone who believed in what was said in the name of science, I would defend evolution. But on the contrary, I say evolution is a lie. I say that God created living things separately.

                  Look, I wrote the following in a part of my article about the heavens/universes (again, I'm giving it with machine translation)


                  Quran saying stars shooting 'fireballs' into space

                  Holy Quran

                  Al Jinn Surah

                  1. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

                  2. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

                  675 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.

                  Saffat Surah

                  1. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

                  2. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

                  3. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

                  4. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

                  5. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.


                  Months after writing this article, the following discovery was made

                  And today Hubble sees star shooting 'cannonballs' into space

                  https//www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/10/06/Hubble-sees-star-shooting-cannonballs-into-space/9071475783632/?ur3=1


                  So the discovery was made after my post. I only found this truth by looking at the verses. You can check this by looking at my Turkish articles and their writing dates.

                  https//emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html

                  Peace

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                    Iyyaka
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                    Peace Emre_1974tr,

                    You're the one living in the fantasy world, jkhan. I hope one day you will be freed from the influence of hadiths and its source, the Bible, and you will see the multi-universe and multi-planet and the living things that live there, which the Qur'an clearly states.

                    You should be more cautious with your statements (in bold above)...Maybe you are the one who is so overwhelmed by its own fantasies that you no longer read the text according to what it says but according to what you want it to say (self-persuasion)

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                      No, I hope you will realize your mistake and turn to the truth about these universes, my brother.

                      If they are not Hadith, Bible and the flat earth current of today's christians etc. you wouldn't have thought of the model of the world you are thinking of now.

                      I can see multiverses and multiplanets not because today's scientific world advocates multiverse and multiplanet, but thanks to my own observations and Quran verses.

                      If I were someone who followed what was said in the name of science, I would be advocating for vaccines right now, but on the contrary, I say stay away from vaccines, right? I saying stay away from hospitals, do not get official covid treatment.

                      Again, if I were someone who believed in what was said in the name of science, I would defend evolution. But on the contrary, I say evolution is a lie. I say that God created living things separately.

                      Look, I wrote the following in a part of my article about the heavens/universes (again, I'm giving it with machine translation)


                      Quran saying stars shooting 'fireballs' into space

                      Holy Quran

                      Al Jinn Surah

                      1. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

                      2. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

                      675 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.

                      Saffat Surah

                      1. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

                      2. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

                      3. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

                      4. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

                      5. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.


                      Months after writing this article, the following discovery was made

                      And today Hubble sees star shooting 'cannonballs' into space

                      https//www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/10/06/Hubble-sees-star-shooting-cannonballs-into-space/9071475783632/?ur3=1


                      So the discovery was made after my post. I only found this truth by looking at the verses. You can check this by looking at my Turkish articles and their writing dates.

                      https//emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html

                      Peace

                      And;

                      https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611500.0

                      https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611616.0

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                        No, I hope you will realize your mistake and turn to the truth about these universes, my brother.

                        If they are not Hadith, Bible and the flat earth current of today's christians etc. you wouldn't have thought of the model of the world you are thinking of now.

                        I can see multiverses and multiplanets not because today's scientific world advocates multiverse and multiplanet, but thanks to my own observations and Quran verses.

                        If I were someone who followed what was said in the name of science, I would be advocating for vaccines right now, but on the contrary, I say stay away from vaccines, right? I saying stay away from hospitals, do not get official covid treatment.

                        Again, if I were someone who believed in what was said in the name of science, I would defend evolution. But on the contrary, I say evolution is a lie. I say that God created living things separately.

                        Look, I wrote the following in a part of my article about the heavens/universes (again, I'm giving it with machine translation)


                        Quran saying stars shooting 'fireballs' into space

                        Holy Quran

                        Al Jinn Surah

                        1. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

                        2. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

                        675 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.

                        Saffat Surah

                        1. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

                        2. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

                        3. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

                        4. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

                        5. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.


                        Months after writing this article, the following discovery was made

                        And today Hubble sees star shooting 'cannonballs' into space

                        https//www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/10/06/Hubble-sees-star-shooting-cannonballs-into-space/9071475783632/?ur3=1


                        So the discovery was made after my post. I only found this truth by looking at the verses. You can check this by looking at my Turkish articles and their writing dates.

                        https//emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html

                        Peace

                        Peace lovely brother...

                        You and me and everyonr are living on the same earth whereever you you may be... Fantasy is something that we've never seen but still tempting to make it true... You have made the fantasy true without any proof... As I said earlier NO EMPIRICAL evidence. But weak and fragile but still insist...
                        Mistake.. Lol. If I am mistaken then you are right... That's weird...
                        Research... You are totally covered and blinded while you are living in real world...

                        Just answer me within your own perception ... According to link no. 01 point is mast and flag is disappearing coz earth has curvature. . Does that what you believe....? Okay fine... Why then while I am lying on the beach flights go over my head and then after few minutes it is disappearing on the horizon as if it was landed... Ship and mast and flag are on the surface for that matter in the levelled surface of sea. So they call curvature of earth makes it dissapeares ...Then why would what is above the surface of earth also should disappear same. Two logic here? One curvature of earth and the other is field of view (OR maximum limit eye sight can reach) ... Come on science. .

                        Sheer wrong logic...
                        Why I see top part of clouds being on the earth... Why I see clouds setting...
                        Curvature is horrible lie which has no sense at all...
                        I am waiting for an earth picture without atmosphere and sea water... Lol..

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                          good_logic
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                          And much more questions to ponder...
                          https//lisbdnet.com/what-keeps-water-from-falling-off-the-earth/

                          I wonder if we ever run out of questions...
                          There is a lot to learn, we need endless of lives and endless arguments and endless lessons ...
                          One thing for sure, I wont be here, in this life, long enough to know even a spec of what there is to know. Yes even if I lived millions of years.

                          But we know few things ,think we know other things , and argue about everything we learn.
                          GOD bless you all.
                          Peace.

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                            And much more questions to ponder...
                            https//lisbdnet.com/what-keeps-water-from-falling-off-the-earth/

                            I wonder if we ever run out of questions...
                            There is a lot to learn, we need endless of lives and endless arguments and endless lessons ...
                            One thing for sure, I wont be here, in this life, long enough to know even a spec of what there is to know. Yes even if I lived millions of years.

                            But we know few things ,think we know other things , and argue about everything we learn.
                            GOD bless you all.
                            Peace.

                            Peace...
                            Amazing how people try to avert their own belief by saying nothing but still say something that has no meaning.. Live millions of years to know where you live.. rotfl

                            Here is my question...
                            Suppose if we dig a big hole to a lake and connect that hole through pipeline to sea, will the water of the lake dry out? I don't know.. Either try it speculate ... Suppose Luths lake or any interlocked water body or reserve OR for that matter Casbian OR black sea or even Ural sea..
                            For me they will dry out coz its water seep through the whole and fall into major ocean.. So a hole works againat gravity..
                            Have you guys ever wondered what would happen if again I reiterate IF one dig a hole in North pole Upto south pole in sphere earth what would happen to water.. Just a hilarious question.. Ah ah.. May be not.. Where ever you dig hole where there is water, water definitely find its way through it... Can anyone imagine what I say.... A hole from north pole to south pole or vice versa.. Or east to west.. Do we see water finds its way through it or Gravity stops it? If gravity stops it then why it works in a lake or small body of water basins... Thing is
                            ..no one can stop water from flowing when it doesn't have a basin to hold it.. If the basin has a hole it definitely go through it until the hole is locked..

                            That's so simple as one can think... No need millions of years of applications of thoughts for it...

                            BTW brother Emere.. I am not influenced at all by hadith or bible or or flat earth movements.. But when I read Quran ubonlyvsent get that earth is stationary... Can't go agaisnt the reality of Quran.. Thank you.

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                              Peace lovely brother...

                              You and me and everyonr are living on the same earth whereever you you may be... Fantasy is something that we've never seen but still tempting to make it true... You have made the fantasy true without any proof... As I said earlier NO EMPIRICAL evidence. But weak and

                              As I said, you live in a fantasy world, my friend, and unfortunately, you believed these lies under the influence of hadith, the Bible, and the flat world movement. You have no proof. But I bear witness to the truth based on the evidence. And I turn to the truth by looking at the verses of the Qur'an. But you have turned your back on both the verses and the evidence.

                              I hope you will come back from this mistake my friend.

                              First of all, although I did not make any comments on the subject you mentioned, your talking to yourself as if I was defending what was written there shows what kind of fantasy world you are in.

                              I discussed those issues at length with flat earthers years ago. almost all of them fell apart even in my first question. For example, no answer was given to my question why the sun cannot be seen even with telescopes at night. They could not explain why the Himalayan peak could not be seen from a distance(After a certain distance, the top of the mountain disappears due to the tilt of the earth. So while you can see the lower part of the mountain, some parts of it, the summit mysteriously disappears. Actually, this mysterious disappearance is for flat earthers, of course). They always tried to change subjects.

                              I'm always researched and thinked about these issues, don't worry.

                              I hope you will get rid of your superstitions and see the reality of the multiverse, multi-planet, and the living creatures that live there,The earth is a spinning globe as it is said in the Qur'an.

                              Peace dear brother

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                                Contemplate...

                                Why are all the celestial bodies that we see with our eyes and instruments all round and spherical?

                                The moon, the planets and the sun itself.

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                                  Peace jkhan.

                                  Does it really matter if we differ on what shape the earth is?
                                  Have we not all got more questions on both sides of the argument?

                                  For me, it is pointless trying to insist on something that can be taken or left and makes no difference to our salvation/redemption/role and purpose.

                                  I am also saying we should keep learning all of us
                                  My opinion is with the spherical earth. My understanding is for me. living with others that view the earth differently does not concern me and is irrelevant to my unity in belief of the creator with them and their friendship with me.
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    Peace jkhan.

                                    Does it really matter if we differ on what shape the earth is?
                                    Have we not all got more questions on both sides of the argument?

                                    For me, it is pointless trying to insist on something that can be taken or left and makes no difference to our salvation/redemption/role and purpose.

                                    I am also saying we should keep learning all of us
                                    My opinion is with the spherical earth. My understanding is for me. living with others that view the earth differently does not concern me and is irrelevant to my unity in belief of the creator with them and their friendship with me.
                                    GOD bless you.
                                    Peace.

                                    Peace fellow brother..

                                    You are type of strange character when you reply to certain topics.. When someone dig deep you start to say same old phrase.. " does it really matter..... "
                                    Yes... It matters... It does really matters... Coz God claims He created the Earth and Heavens... And questions don't you see how we have raised the sky without pilars... He further question do you doubt the one who created the Earth in 4 days.... Yes.. One can doubt it means if not he finds it get guided from God Himself what actually He has created.... How can one doubt God? Coz either the knowledge of nature of a person should excel or he should agree what science explains... So.. In order not to doubt things which are explained in Quran should make sense in accordance with God gifted knowledge and guidance or it should at least match with so science.... If not doubting in an ancient book is much worthy abd thus lead to harbor doubts on the author of the book... It is imperative for me and it should be important for all sensible person...
                                    If creator doesn't know to explain what He has created and then it exposes He is not the Creator of Heavens and Earth... So for me within mere Quran stationary Earth is the only option coupled with my knowledge to certain extent it gives me only one option that this earth is massive and stationary and round and every other celestial bodies are minute compared to the size of Earth ..
                                    No one will understand this unless God willing.. In my thorough understanding if one chooses the wrong option out of two Either spinning or stationary then I am sure the wrong option is sheer misguidance from God.. Claiming that God has this and that while He indeed not is blasphemy... That's why it matters... For example if one calls with intent that sun is 400 times bigger than Moon and 93miluon miles away without any tangible proof then it is sheer blasphemy... Same for stationary Earth... If I call stationary and if not stationary and spinning... So... So choose wisely or be silent.. Brother GL.. While being on the side of heliocentric model of earth and when others question why suddenly say "Why it matters"..
                                    Either say I don't know.. Or say Yes it is spinning....
                                    Saying I don't know is much worthy statement for those who have not researched it thoroughly...

                                    So God created UNIVERSE and tiny mote EARTH in 6 days..? rotfl
                                    Guidance from God only.. Seek with patience.. Thank you

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                                      As I said, you live in a fantasy world, my friend, and unfortunately, you believed these lies under the influence of hadith, the Bible, and the flat world movement. You have no proof. But I bear witness to the truth based on the evidence. And I turn to the truth by looking at the verses of the Qur'an. But you have turned your back on both the verses and the evidence.

                                      I hope you will come back from this mistake my friend.

                                      First of all, although I did not make any comments on the subject you mentioned, your talking to yourself as if I was defending what was written there shows what kind of fantasy world you are in.

                                      I discussed those issues at length with flat earthers years ago. almost all of them fell apart even in my first question. For example, no answer was given to my question why the sun cannot be seen even with telescopes at night. They could not explain why the Himalayan peak could not be seen from a distance(After a certain distance, the top of the mountain disappears due to the tilt of the earth. So while you can see the lower part of the mountain, some parts of it, the summit mysteriously disappears. Actually, this mysterious disappearance is for flat earthers, of course). They always tried to change subjects.

                                      I'm always researched and thinked about these issues, don't worry.

                                      I hope you will get rid of your superstitions and see the reality of the multiverse, multi-planet, and the living creatures that live there,The earth is a spinning globe as it is said in the Qur'an.

                                      Peace dear brother

                                      And by the way, I found out that the stars were throwing fireballs into space just by looking at the verses. Months after my writing, the scientific world discovered this. You can check the date of my post.

                                      The Qur'an is truly a book full of miracles.

                                      Peace

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                                        And by the way, I found out that the stars were throwing fireballs into space just by looking at the verses. Months after my writing, the scientific world discovered this. You can check the date of my post.

                                        The Qur'an is truly a book full of miracles.

                                        Congratulations! You deserve the first prize for...ridiculousness. Just like the one who says the earth is flat.
                                        In the age of satellites and rockets with on-board cameras, in a way, we live in strange times (blinded by our deep beliefs); although I can understand that the confrontation of modern science with the holy scriptures may confuse some.

                                        The word "maṣābīḥa" (675) does not mean "star" but "lamp/lantern" (to describe comets and/or shooting stars). The word for ordinary star is "najm" in the Quran.
                                        Furthermore, the Qur'an describes these celestial objects as "moving" (cf. arabic terme "rujūman&quot, not "static" or projecting balls of energy invisible to the human eye.
                                        Finally, the word "shuhuban" (720 refers to special "stars" that shine brightly in the form of flames. These are not ordinary stars that appear round and static in the sky.

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                                          And by the way, I found out that the stars were throwing fireballs into space just by looking at the verses. Months after my writing, the scientific world discovered this. You can check the date of my post.

                                          The Qur'an is truly a book full of miracles.

                                          Peace

                                          And I am the first person in the world to discover it(NASA's invention was published after my writing). The Qur'an is truly a book full of evidence.

                                          By the way, the holy Quran also uses the term lamp for our sun. In addition, by using the expression lamp for all the stars in other verses, he also informs that all stars are actually suns. In other words, it states that the sun is also a star/lamp.

                                          And by stating that the fire atmosphere above the stars resembles hell, the Qur'an offers us another miracle.

                                          Peace

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