The Universe
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As I said, you live in a fantasy world, my friend, and unfortunately, you believed these lies under the influence of hadith, the Bible, and the flat world movement. You have no proof. But I bear witness to the truth based on the evidence. And I turn to the truth by looking at the verses of the Qur'an. But you have turned your back on both the verses and the evidence.
I hope you will come back from this mistake my friend.
First of all, although I did not make any comments on the subject you mentioned, your talking to yourself as if I was defending what was written there shows what kind of fantasy world you are in.
I discussed those issues at length with flat earthers years ago. almost all of them fell apart even in my first question. For example, no answer was given to my question why the sun cannot be seen even with telescopes at night. They could not explain why the Himalayan peak could not be seen from a distance(After a certain distance, the top of the mountain disappears due to the tilt of the earth. So while you can see the lower part of the mountain, some parts of it, the summit mysteriously disappears. Actually, this mysterious disappearance is for flat earthers, of course). They always tried to change subjects.
I'm always researched and thinked about these issues, don't worry.
I hope you will get rid of your superstitions and see the reality of the multiverse, multi-planet, and the living creatures that live there,The earth is a spinning globe as it is said in the Qur'an.
Peace dear brother
And by the way, I found out that the stars were throwing fireballs into space just by looking at the verses. Months after my writing, the scientific world discovered this. You can check the date of my post.
The Qur'an is truly a book full of miracles.
Peace
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And by the way, I found out that the stars were throwing fireballs into space just by looking at the verses. Months after my writing, the scientific world discovered this. You can check the date of my post.
The Qur'an is truly a book full of miracles.
Congratulations! You deserve the first prize for...ridiculousness. Just like the one who says the earth is flat.
In the age of satellites and rockets with on-board cameras, in a way, we live in strange times (blinded by our deep beliefs); although I can understand that the confrontation of modern science with the holy scriptures may confuse some.The word "maṣābīḥa" (675) does not mean "star" but "lamp/lantern" (to describe comets and/or shooting stars). The word for ordinary star is "najm" in the Quran.
Furthermore, the Qur'an describes these celestial objects as "moving" (cf. arabic terme "rujūman", not "static" or projecting balls of energy invisible to the human eye.
Finally, the word "shuhuban" (720 refers to special "stars" that shine brightly in the form of flames. These are not ordinary stars that appear round and static in the sky. -
And by the way, I found out that the stars were throwing fireballs into space just by looking at the verses. Months after my writing, the scientific world discovered this. You can check the date of my post.
The Qur'an is truly a book full of miracles.
Peace
And I am the first person in the world to discover it(NASA's invention was published after my writing). The Qur'an is truly a book full of evidence.
By the way, the holy Quran also uses the term lamp for our sun. In addition, by using the expression lamp for all the stars in other verses, he also informs that all stars are actually suns. In other words, it states that the sun is also a star/lamp.
And by stating that the fire atmosphere above the stars resembles hell, the Qur'an offers us another miracle.
Peace
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If I call stationary and if not stationary and spinning...
So God created UNIVERSE and tiny mote EARTH in 6 days..?
peace, nothing is stationary and yes the earth is very tiny and we are extremely tiny compared to it.
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2130 اولم do they not ىر see الذىن the ones كفروا reject they of ان that indeed السموت the skies والارض and the land كانتا were dual رتقا sewn of ففتقنهما so rip we them dual وجعلنا and made we of من from الما the water كل every شى thing حى live افلا then so not ىومنون believing 2131 وجعلنا and made we of فى in الارض the land روسى high peaks ان an/that تمىد shake (shift) بهم with them وجعلنا and made we of فىها therein فجاجا wide ravine of سبلا paths of لعلهم perhaps they ىهتدون guided being 2132 وجعلنا and made we of السما the sky سقفا roof of محفوظا safeguard/protective of وهم and they عن about اىتها signs its معرضون who away turning 2133 وهو and he الذى the one خلقا creation of للىل the night والنهر and the daytime والشمس and the sun والقمر and the moon كل kullun/each (all mentioned prior) فى in فلك falakin/ship ىسبحون sailing (floating)
2,252 yrs ago Eratosthenes (sticks & shadows) measured circumference
41,132 feet = 12,100 ft (average depth of ocean) + 29,032 ft Mt Everest
131,477,280 feet = 24,901 miles (earth's circumference) x 5,280 ft/mile0.0003 = average depth of oceans + highest mountain/circumference
giant holding globe would not feel mountains or oceans!
likewise, travel east or west guaranteed you'll return full circle!
And I am the first person in the world to discover it(NASA's invention was published after my writing). The Qur'an is truly a book full of evidence.
By the way, the holy Quran also uses the term lamp for our sun. In addition, by using the expression lamp for all the stars in other verses, he also informs that all stars are actually suns. In other words, it states that the sun is also a star/lamp.
peace, reposting does not help; what did you discover?
likewise show verse and words you translated as what?7116 وجعل and made القمر the moon فىهن in them (f/p) نورا nuran/light of
وجعل and made الشمس the sun سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of
7813 وجعلنا and made we of سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of وهاجا wahhajan/fiery of1516 2561 تبرك blesseth الذى the one جعل made فى in السما the sky بروجا burujan/constructs of
وجعل and made فىها in it (f) سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of وقمرا and moon of منىرا muniran/illuminate of851 البروج l-buruji/the constructs (constellations)
676 124 كوكبا kawkaban/cosmic object of (planet, etc.)
2435 كوكب kawkabun/cosmic object
376 الكوكب l-kawakibi/the cosmic objects
822 الكوكب l-kawakibu/the cosmic objects697 3788 5249 5675 778 812 النجوم l-nujuma/the stars
754 1612 2218 والنجوم wal-nujuma/and the stars
1616 وبالنجم wabil-najmi/and by the star4112 675 بمصبىح bimasabiha/with torches
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Peace jkhan.
Did I not say the earth is spherical and spinning in an orbit around the sun according to my understanding of Qoran and Science?
This is how GOD made the day and night alternate on earth and how the seasons are alternating.I also say qoran does not instruct us to believe in earth as a certain shape or size as part of our redemption/salvation
And it does not matter to me what people believe about the earth if they believe in their creator and accountability of their deeds.GOD bless you.
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Peace,
I want to share a short thought experiment I came upon a couple of years ago during a contemplation. It involves the 'young earth' pov that some believers hold onto based on the assumed historicity of the Scriptures. Their calculations give them an age for the universe as we see it of around 6000 years.
Here is the experiment.
If you had to determine an actual point of creation, as in a time in which everything just began, then consider this...
What if the entire universe as you now appreciate it, every state of every thing, was created just NOW.
You were created as you are just a moment ago with all the memories you think you remember already implanted and formed in your neural networks, every scar and line on your skin put there as part of the starting conditions. How could you distinguish and argue that it wasn't made that way right from that very moment?
That is in effect what the young earthers are assuming happened 6000 or so years ago. That it all started from a point in which 13 billion years was not required before it in order for things to emerge that way. So if that could be the case 6000 years ago, then it could very well have been a minute or so ago as well. All the histories etc that have been written are just like the fossils in the earth etc. All put there and placed into existence to give you the sense that it is all old.
Is The God capable of starting up the world and universe in this way? Absolutely. Is it what happened? I say no because there is a more logical answer, that is more miraculous than the 'instant on simulation' scenario that I have described and of which 'young earth' belief is a version of. The one where the universe and everyhing in it start from a singularity with unseen laws and design in the starting conditions making the universe and humanity evolve an intellect that is capable of inquiring and understanding what The God created in due course.
The God is The Creator and The Teacher.
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peace, nothing is stationary and yes the earth is very tiny and we are extremely tiny compared to it.
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2130 اولم do they not ىر see الذىن the ones كفروا reject they of ان that indeed السموت the skies والارض and the land كانتا were dual رتقا sewn of ففتقنهما so rip we them dual وجعلنا and made we of من from الما the water كل every شى thing حى live افلا then so not ىومنون believing 2131 وجعلنا and made we of فى in الارض the land روسى high peaks ان an/that تمىد shake (shift) بهم with them وجعلنا and made we of فىها therein فجاجا wide ravine of سبلا paths of لعلهم perhaps they ىهتدون guided being 2132 وجعلنا and made we of السما the sky سقفا roof of محفوظا safeguard/protective of وهم and they عن about اىتها signs its معرضون who away turning 2133 وهو and he الذى the one خلقا creation of للىل the night والنهر and the daytime والشمس and the sun والقمر and the moon كل kullun/each (all mentioned prior) فى in فلك falakin/ship ىسبحون sailing (floating)
2,252 yrs ago Eratosthenes (sticks & shadows) measured circumference
41,132 feet = 12,100 ft (average depth of ocean) + 29,032 ft Mt Everest
131,477,280 feet = 24,901 miles (earth's circumference) x 5,280 ft/mile0.0003 = average depth of oceans + highest mountain/circumference
giant holding globe would not feel mountains or oceans!
likewise, travel east or west guaranteed you'll return full circle!
peace, reposting does not help; what did you discover?
likewise show verse and words you translated as what?7116 وجعل and made القمر the moon فىهن in them (f/p) نورا nuran/light of
وجعل and made الشمس the sun سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of
7813 وجعلنا and made we of سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of وهاجا wahhajan/fiery of1516 2561 تبرك blesseth الذى the one جعل made فى in السما the sky بروجا burujan/constructs of
وجعل and made فىها in it (f) سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of وقمرا and moon of منىرا muniran/illuminate of851 البروج l-buruji/the constructs (constellations)
676 124 كوكبا kawkaban/cosmic object of (planet, etc.)
2435 كوكب kawkabun/cosmic object
376 الكوكب l-kawakibi/the cosmic objects
822 الكوكب l-kawakibu/the cosmic objects697 3788 5249 5675 778 812 النجوم l-nujuma/the stars
754 1612 2218 والنجوم wal-nujuma/and the stars
1616 وبالنجم wabil-najmi/and by the star4112 675 بمصبىح bimasabiha/with torches
Yes. .rubbish at its best. Just words floating in the air without any meaning... Easy to make statements... Tiny.. Lol. .. Tiny but befits to the hand of God.. rotfl While universe is in another hand. .or come up saying mataphore... rotfl
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Peace jkhan.
Did I not say the earth is spherical and spinning in an orbit around the sun according to my understanding of Qoran and Science?
This is how GOD made the day and night alternate on earth and how the seasons are alternating.I also say qoran does not instruct us to believe in earth as a certain shape or size as part of our redemption/salvation
And it does not matter to me what people believe about the earth if they believe in their creator and accountability of their deeds.GOD bless you.
Peace.Oh.. There you are.. So it does matter to you...
It is like when people seriously debate on the topic of Existence of God, one suddenly say " does it really matter" Why do we need to believe in God while we have loads thing to do in life...
Do you get what I say..Brother GL and all who are deep rooted in heliocentric believers... Just remember if Quran is silent on creation of Earth and heavens I also would have been silent saying Does it really matter... Quran is not silent on the shape of Earth or heavens... It keeps on explaining many things... So that's why it matters...
" O men and Jin go beyond the earth and heavens.... What would chase us? Fire... This is the word of God... Haven't we gone beyond the earth. Who lies? Quran or science?
That's why it matters....
Anyway, God guides whom He wills..
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Peace jkhan.
So we have a list of beliefs that we should agree exactly on otherwise we are not really believers?
And believing the earth is flat is included there?
No wonder there are hundreds of sects all claiming different rules for salvation!
I am sorry brother I do not see that in Qoran.
GOD bless you.
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No wonder there are hundreds of sects all claiming different rules for salvation!
I am sorry brother I do not see that in Qoran.Sorry to hear that.. Is that all your knowledge?
Sects are those who are in wrong path.. Chosen the wrong option. Those who follow Quran and understand Quran and stick with it and guided with it are not sects... God knows them.. So be patient and continue what you do...Peace jkhan.
So we have a list of beliefs that we should agree exactly on otherwise we are not really believers?Exactly... Yes... What if Satan distract from the truth...
Do you disbelieve the One who created the Earth in 4 days and earth and heavens in six days? So.. Yes there is list.. You can't disbelive the creation of God.. How come one say that I believe the creation of God while they believe entirely different of what the creation is...And believing the earth is flat is included there?
No.. Did I say Earth is flat... Believe what God created... Research what God created through Quran and through what exactly He created that we perceive... Are you allowed to say what He has not created and still you can claim you are a believer.. As I said earlier, if you denigrade by saying earth is tiny mote while this is the biggest in His creations.. So you think God won't mind about it.. Better say I don't have knowledge about it.. Leave it to Ghaib /unseen.. Why claim in parallel to science and fictions which are never empirical ... Have you seen the spherical Earth? God will definitely question you.
I may look like I am your enemy with my wording... But I am not...
One of the biggest criteria to believe in God according to Quran is His creations.. He propel His creations for us to get convinced in His belief.. Have you noticed that in Quran... So if we get His creations wrong, how can we get convinced in His existence or in His faith? -
Peace jkhan.
GOD gave us each ears, eyes and a brain. Then He sent us scriptures. Does that mean we use each other ears, eyes and brain to agree everything?So ,it is only natural to have differences in Qoran, science and beliefs.
This subject is different from GOD specifically giving us limits and commands.
This subject is to do with both . How to use Qoran plus our faculties. I find Qoran and science here agree.
And you find otherwise.
What is the issue then?
GOD bless you.
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And I am the first person in the world to discover it(NASA's invention was published after my writing). The Qur'an is truly a book full of evidence.
By the way, the holy Quran also uses the term lamp for our sun. In addition, by using the expression lamp for all the stars in other verses, he also informs that all stars are actually suns. In other words, it states that the sun is also a star/lamp.
And by stating that the fire atmosphere above the stars resembles hell, the Qur'an offers us another miracle.
Peace
As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number
Yasin
36 Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.Zariyat
49 And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired. After the Apocalypse, only the "Floor of the Lord", that is, the Universes of the Hereafter, will remain, but he will still be living with those in more than one universe (the verses emphasize that the "heavens of the hereafter" and the "earths" will exist forever).
In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.
Only God is unique. It is the case that the servants created by Allah have spouses (same or opposite), that is, more than one of them.
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As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number
Yasin
36 Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.Zariyat
49 And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired.
In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.
Previously you said (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611665.10)
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The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.
But it is not infinite.
Seven universes, for example.
Other universes have planets too.
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It is difficult to follow your logic 2 universes or 7 then? Don't you see the contradiction in your words or at least the ambiguity?I hope you will get rid of your superstitions and see the reality of the multiverse, multi-planet, and the living creatures that live there,The earth is a spinning globe as it is said in the Qur'an.
Where the Quran describes the earth as a "spinning globe" ?
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Peace jkhan.
GOD gave us each ears, eyes and a brain. Then He sent us scriptures. Does that mean we use each other ears, eyes and brain to agree everything?So ,it is only natural to have differences in Qoran, science and beliefs.
This subject is different from GOD specifically giving us limits and commands.
This subject is to do with both . How to use Qoran plus our faculties. I find Qoran and science here agree.
And you find otherwise.
What is the issue then?
GOD bless you.
[Peace.3967 They made not a just estimate of Allah such as is due to Him. And on the Day of Resurrection the whole of the earth will be grasped by His Hand and the heavens will be rolled up in His Right Hand. Glorified is He, and High is He above all that they associate as partners with Him!
419 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals?
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Hallo.... everyone..
peace..1005 "It is God who has made the sun radiant and the moon Light and has appointed for the moon phases so that you may compute the number of years and other reckonings. God has created them for a genuine purpose. He explains the evidence (of His existence) to the people of knowledge.
1006 "Indeed, in the alternation of the night and the day and what Allah has created in the heavens and the earth are signs for a people who fear Allah
Now, as per 1006 Are we take signs according to science or on the reality? How come the sign of God go totally contrary... Coz night and day happens coz earth spin and rotates on its axis... Is that a sign for those who fear Allah or Sun in sailing away from us so that night falls on us and day appears to others..? Which one is sign for those who FEAR Allah?
as per 1005 God created PHASES to MOON in order that years are computed? Clearly we can see there is no phase for sun... Why Earth has phases, why other Planets have phases as per accepted science... Who speaks the truth? Quran through God or Science...
Is this the science we say tally or go in line with Quran?
in the universe, isn't the Earth a shining Light? isn't earth in Universe? lol... where is your wits folks?
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Peace jkhan
You mean there is no relation between the day/night ,the sun and moon?
How do the moon phases happen?
Ponder this relationship
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We rendered the night and the day two signs. We made the night dark, and the day lighted, that you may seek provisions from your Lord therein. This also establishes for you a timing system -Sineen 0f the moon phases-, and the means of calculation- like aam ,the solar years...-. We thus explain everything in detail.
GOD bless you.
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Peace jkhan
You mean there is no relation between the day/night ,the sun and moon?Did i ever say so.,...... why go offline...just stick with what i write ....
Peace jkhan
How do the moon phases happen?
For you and those who are depending on Nasa and so called scientists, it is easy isn't it... needles s to explain...
God specifically mentioned that Moon has phases.. God never mentioned for any other .. That's what we also see even with any telescope or latest modern cameras... He says He assigned to moon phases stating the purpose of assigning.. Further God clearly stated Moon is a LIGHT... (MUNIIR)... No need another interpretation for that... So moon has its own light..
Further He says until it returns (like) date stalk... It is clear Moon is created with light and it is changing on its own the phases.. it has no connection whatsoever with Sun for it to look different in shape throughout the month... That's Quran..Why one would change clear verses of Quran? Why Munir becomes reflected lights in translations? It is coz of science none other coz of science.... God guides with His book...
calling His creations something else, while His creations are signs to FEAR Allah.. That's so strange... So you fear God Thinking that Earth is spinning and while i am not... How can that is possible... can one fear God while embracing the lie with him... impossible as simple as that...
None of Nur verses is no way nearing the meaning of REFLECTED LIGHT... if it is not reflected light then try to understand what moon is through quran... why depend on science to claim it is a reflected light...impossible...
one of the yester year scientist from australia even stated moon is a plasma but such things all are easily rejecting why...? coz he was not famous...lol
3969 And the earth will shine with the light (NUR) of its Lord,
now look at above verse... Earth will shine coz of another light... that's really reflection... God clearly used the word Coz Earth doesn't have it's own light...But God didn't say Moon shines coz of Sun.. Ponder dudes... just simply ponder..
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As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number
Yasin
36 Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.Zariyat
49 And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired. After the Apocalypse, only the "Floor of the Lord", that is, the Universes of the Hereafter, will remain, but he will still be living with those in more than one universe (the verses emphasize that the "heavens of the hereafter" and the "earths" will exist forever).
In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.
Only God is unique. It is the case that the servants created by Allah have spouses (same or opposite), that is, more than one of them.
These verses provide yet another proof that there is more than one number of planets and stars as well as universes. As long as you don't turn your back on the Qur'an.
Peace
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These verses provide yet another proof that there is more than one number of planets and stars as well as universes. As long as you don't turn your back on the Qur'an.
nope,
Peace, you mix the subjects at your whim (self-persuasion)But stay coherent and answers the below question please
Previously you said (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611665.10)
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The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.
But it is not infinite.
Seven universes, for example.
Other universes have planets too.
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It is difficult to follow your logic TWO universes or SEVEN then? Don't you see the contradiction in your words or at least the ambiguity? -
These verses provide yet another proof that there is more than one number of planets and stars as well as universes. As long as you don't turn your back on the Qur'an.
Peace
And my Turkish article translated with machine
Surah Noah 16 "And he made the Moon a light in them, and made the Sun a lamp."
As is known, in this verse there is an emphasis on the fact that the Sun is a cosmic lamp that produces light, whereas the Moon only reflects the incoming light.
In addition, miraculously, the other stars in the sky are also said to be gigantic lamps producing light in the Qur'an
Surah Mulk 5 We have adorned the nearest sky with lamps and made them grains of fire for the devils. We have also prepared the torment of wild fire for those devils.
Surah Saffat 6 We adorned that near sky with an ornament, with stars.
Fussilet Surah 12 Thus, he appreciated them as seven heavens in two days and revealed to each sky its own work and being. And We have adorned the sky closest to the earth with lamps and a protection. These things are the discretion of the One who is Aziz and Alim.
In this and similar verses, it is said that the stars we see are actually suns, or if we think on the contrary, our Sun is also a star. In addition, the information that there is a "flame" on this Sun and other stars is clearly presented. There is even a reference to the information that the environment above the stars resembles hell...
It was not well known to people in those days that the stars far away also harbored flames and had an infernal fire structure.
By the way, the expression "necm" for stars and "kevkeb" for planets is used in the Qur'an.
In addition, just as scientists say today, the knowledge that these stars will lose their light and come to an end on the Day of Judgment was also revealed to us by our Lord
Surah Mursalat 8 When the light of the stars is extinguished
After this information about the stars, let's look again at the information given by the Qur'an regarding the structure of our world
Naziat Surah 30 After that, he spread the ground and made it round in the shape of an ostrich egg.
Although he understands from this verse that the world was created in the shape of a geoid, just like an egg, his point is not limited to this. Because the world is similar to the egg with its internal structure as well as its external appearance.
Yes, the egg and the world are alike.
First of all, if we consider it in terms of appearance;
The belly part of both, namely the equator, is wider than the poles.
From the bulging part towards the poles, it gets smaller and smaller, again in both.
So there is absolutely parallelism in shape. And the egg is one of the best examples to be given to explain this geoid shape of the earth.
Apart from this, the egg reminds us of our world with its internal structure as well as its external structure.
An egg has a dark yolk in the middle.
There is a very runny white layer (flux) around this central yellow.
The outermost part has a thin crust.In the center of our world, there is the nucleus (which corresponds to the yolk of the egg in appearance and structure)
There is a molten mantle layer around the nucleus (which roughly corresponds to the egg white)
And in the outermost part, there is the thin crust (which corresponds to the thin shell of the egg)http//www.burkemuseum.org/static/earthquakes/bigone/images/egg.gif
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