The "Difference between Messengers/Prophets" .
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I seek refuge in God from satan the rejected. In the name of God , most gracious ,most merciful .
peace everyone .
Here is my opinion about the messengers/prophets difference thing . until a week ago ,I was very confused about this topic but I believe God has provided me the answers I had been looking for . I would like to share themMESSENGERS SENT TO HUMANITY WERE ALWAYS HUMAN
And naught prevented mankind from believing when the guidance came unto them save that they said Hath Allah sent a mortal as (His) messenger? Say If there were in the earth angels walking secure, We had sent down for them from heaven an angel as messenger.
MESSENGERS FROM AMONG HUMANS WERE ALWAYS SENT WITH SCRIPTURES .
Some people are claiming that prophet is one who brings a scripture , while messengers are those who come afterwards to verify the scripture . But according to the Koran all human messengers brought scriptures with them
We verily sent Our messengers with clear proofs, and revealed with them the Scripture and the Balance, that mankind may observe right measure;
And if they deny thee those before them also denied. Their messengers came unto them with clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and with the Psalms and the Scripture giving light.
Even as We have sent unto you a messenger from among you, who reciteth unto you Our revelations and causeth you to grow, and teacheth you the Scripture and wisdom, and teacheth you that which ye knew not.'
And if they deny thee, even so did they deny messengers who were before thee, who came with miracles and with the Psalms and with the Scripture giving light.
O people of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which ye used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. Now hath come unto you light from Allah and a plain Scripture,
And God always sent written teachings to guide humanity, not oral ones .
Read And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who teacheth by the pen, Teacheth man that which be knew not.
PROPHETS/HUMAN MESSENGERS
The messengers from among humans are called prophetsHuman messengers brought scriptures
Allah verily hath shown grace to the believers by sending unto them a messenger of their own who reciteth unto them His revelations, and causeth them to grow, and teacheth them the Scripture and wisdom; although before (he came to them ) they were in flagrant error.
O Children of Adam! If messengers of your own come unto you who narrate unto you My revelations, then whosoever refraineth from evil and amendeth there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
The above verses tell that ?messengers of their own? i.e human messengers come with scriptures .
Prophets(human messengers brought scriptures)
Mankind were one community, and Allah sent (unto them) Prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and revealed therewith the Scripture with the truth that it might judge between mankind concerning that wherein they differed. And only those unto whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it, after clear proofs had come unto them, through hatred one of another. And Allah by His will guided those who believe unto the truth of that concerning which they differed. Allah guideth whom He will unto a Straight path.
It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given the Scripture and wisdom and the Prophethood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind Be slaves of me instead of Allah; but (what he said was) Be ye faithful servants of the Lord by virtue of your constant teaching of the Scripture and of your constant study thereof.
Those are they unto whom We gave the Scripture and command and prophethood. But if these disbelieve therein, then indeed We shall entrust it to a people who will not be disbelievers therein.
And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the Prophethood and the Scripture among his seed, and We gave him his reward in the world, and lo! in the Hereafter he verily is among the righteous.
And We verily sent Noah and Abraham and placed the Prophethood and the Scripture among their seed, and among them there is he who goeth right, but many of them are evil-livers.
In the Koran only the human messengers are called prophets, for example 1930, 1941 ,1949 ,1953 ,1956 ?
MUHAMMED WAS THE LAST PROPHET. BUT WHY NOT THE LAST MESSENGER?
Koran clearly states that Muhammed was the last prophet and a messenger of God . Some people argue that since Koran doesn?t state that Muhammed was the final messenger that means that there are more messengers to come . So who are those messengers? I believe that they misinterpret the word ?messenger?. They think that only a human can be a messenger. But that is a wrong idea according to the Koran which tells us that beings other than humans can also be messengers(not prophets . only humans can be prophets )Non human messengers
The angels of death are also called messengers
He is the Omnipotent over His slaves. He sendeth guardians over you until, when death cometh unto one of you, Our messengers receive him, and they neglect not.
Who doeth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie concerning Allah or denieth Our tokens. (For such) their appointed portion of the Book (of destiny) reacheth them till, when Our messengers come to gather them, they say Where (now) is that to which ye cried beside Allah? They say They have departed from us. And they testify against themselves that they were disbelievers.
The servants(probably angels?) of God who record our every move are also called messengers
And when We cause mankind to taste of mercy after some adversity which had afflicted them, behold! they have some plot against Our revelations. Say Allah is more swift in plotting. Lo! Our messengers write down that which ye plot.
Gabriel also functions as a messenger who brought down the Koran to the prophet?s heart .
Say (O Muhammad, to mankind) Who is an enemy to Gabriel! For he it is who hath revealed (this Scripture) to thy heart by Allah's leave, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, and a guidance and glad tidings to believers;
And lo! it is a revelation of the Lord of the Worlds, Which the True Spirit hath brought down upon thy heart, that thou mayest be (one) of the warners,
Who is an enemy to Allah, and His angels and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael! Then, lo! Allah (Himself) is an enemy to the disbelievers.
The Koran has also been called a messenger in 6511, not prophet, all messengers are not prophets . prophets are those humans ,as explained before, who bring scriptures , while the Koran is the scripture
Allah hath prepared for them stern punishment; so keep your duty to Allah, O men of understanding! O ye who believe! Now Allah hath sent down unto you a reminder, A messenger(Koran) reciting unto you the revelations of Allah made plain, that He may bring forth those who believe and do good works from darkness unto light.
so we see that Muhammed was the last prophet, but he could not have been the last messenger in the presence of so many other messengers .The angels of death , Gabriel , the Koran etc are all messengers . It is only in this way that Muhammed was not the last messenger . We also see that angels ,Koran etc are called messengers not prophets . That is because only a human can be a prophet messenger(am I being repetitive?) . In the Koran only the human messengers are called prophets, for example 1930, 1941 ,1949 ,1953 ,1956 ? and Muhammed was the final prophet (human messenger) .
Now we see that a prophet is one among many types of messengers of God .What we learn from the Koran .
- Prophets are only one type of messengers of God ,among many others types(for example angels of deaths , Gabriel etc). ie all prophets are messengers but all messengers are not necessarily prophets or humans .
- Only human messengers are called prophets.
- Prophets brought scriptures.
- Muhammed was the last prophet , but ,due to the presence of so many non human messengers, not the last messenger.
- So expect no more human messengers(prophets).
Looking forward to your opinions.
Who is guilty of more wrong than he who forgeth a lie against Allah, or saith I am inspired, when he is not inspired in aught; and who saith I will reveal the like of that which Allah hath revealed? If thou couldst see, when the wrong doers reach the pangs of death and the angels stretch their hands out, saying Deliver up your souls. This day ye are awarded doom of degradation for that ye spake concerning Allah other than the truth, and scorned His portents.
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Peace be upon you,
Close, but consider this;
Prophets are those who "intuit the God's will", and can therefore bring the message to the people, which is in turn written down. The process of delivering the message, wether by mouth or by writing untensil is messengership. But it does NOT follow that ALL MESSENGERS ARE PROPHETS. Yes, a messenger brings clarity from the scripture, but the messenger did not necessarily "bring the scripture", only the proper understanding of the Universe(Al Kitaab). The prophet is the human SOURCE, like a radio transmission, and the messengers are the different televisions and radios as well as the emission tower(prophet) itself (because it is a tool for delivering the ONE MESSAGE/ONE TRANSMISSION).
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Salaams saladin,
Good stuff! And i am sure you will bring out more such work.
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According to the following there is no end to prophets ,i think.
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YUSUFALI O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.God Bless.
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salams folks,
here's another way of restating things.
There are Prophets who receive wahi from Allah and who deliver scripture. They are also messengers.
Then there are those who "brings clarity from the scripture" and "the proper understanding of the Universe(Al Kitaab)." So basically they truly understand the Quran and attempt to implement it... these people are called MUSLIMS.
Then there are SOME Muslims, who decide that being just another Muslim isn't enough... they also need to have superiority and rank, and decide to elevate themself to the self-given title of "messenger." These people have existed in the past and exist in the present, and will in the future... both inside and outside of Islam... The purpose of the finality of the Prophethood was to save us from these charlatans, but unfortunately, there are still those who wish to be enslaved by them... too bad, when the only thing they really need is the Quran.
wassalam
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Salaam Kyle,
Yes, a messenger brings clarity from the scripture, but the messenger did not necessarily "bring the scripture"
,Can you quote some examples from the Reading which support your statement?
The prophet is the human SOURCE, like a radio transmission, and the messengers are the different televisions and radios as well as the emission tower(prophet) itself (because it is a tool for delivering the ONE MESSAGE/ONE TRANSMISSION).
We cannot compare the God's messengers and women/men of the science.
We cannot compare this Reading at any scientific book of Einstein and co..
- Say ?If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Reading like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another.?
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Peace Fahad,
peace .
can anybody tell me the correct translation of verse 1047 ?please.
peace .
fahad.I think FM's translation of this verse 1047 is correct
- And for every nation is a messenger; so when their messenger comes, the matter is decreed between them with justice, and they are not wronged.
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Peace Saladin
Nice work on compiling the verses
But how your idea on prophets are types of messengers fits 381381 And God took a covenant from the prophets "For what I have given you of the Scripture and wisdom, then a messenger will come to you authenticating what is with you. You will believe in him and support him." He said "Do you testify, and agree to this burden?", they said "We testify." He said "Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness."
381 clearly states that the convenant is only made with all prophets, but there will be a messenger who is not in the convenant that will confirm/authenticate what is with the prophets.
So are you suggesting that the messenger in 381 is a non-human messenger?
Peace
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Peace Loli,
381 clearly states that the convenant is only made with all prophets, but there will be a messenger who is not in the convenant that will confirm/authenticate what is with the prophets.
The God speaks about His ?anbiya? as messengers
- And when Jesus, son of Mary, said ?O children of Israel, I am God's messenger to you, authenticating what is present with me of the Torah and bringing good news of a messenger to come after me whose name will be acclaimed.? But when he showed them the clear proofs, they said ?This is clearly magic.?
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Mohammed (3340) like the Messiah son of Mary (367), is no more than a messenger; like whom messengers have passed away.
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We are also told in the same way ?Then, in succession, We followed them up with (other of) Our Messengers. We caused them to be followed by Jesus son of Mary?.
In the light of the Reading, the Prophets speak about themselves as messengers.
For more information The prophets, bearers of good news and warners..
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Peace be upon you Zenje,
shuaib wrote
... too bad, when the only thing they really need is the Quran.You mean GOD?
Good observation Zenje. Once we give up this Idolizing of a physical book, understandings will open up. A messenger is NOT a super hero, anyone who spreads the message is a messenger, anyone. If you go to someone and say "do not oppress others" , you are acting as MESSENGER.
Why is there so much fear of this basic understanding?
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Peace be upon you Marie,
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Yes, a messenger brings clarity from the scripture, but the messenger did not necessarily "bring the scripture"Can you quote some examples from the Reading which support your statement?
Yes, but you will have to start t hinking about AL Kitaab being the universe, not some paper book.
(515) You, The Book's people, Our messenger has come to you, he clarifies/shows to you much from what you were hiding from The Book, and He forgives/pardons from much, a light and clear/evident Book had come to you from God.
And it is always a SUCCESSION of messengers that follow a prophet. Prophethood is just the ability to Intiut TRUTH (how parts relate to each other and the WHOLE). We must be SCIENTISTS, science and religion are not enemies, they are ONE.
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The prophet is the human SOURCE, like a radio transmission, and the messengers are the different televisions and radios as well as the emission tower(prophet) itself (because it is a tool for delivering the ONE MESSAGE/ONE TRANSMISSION).We cannot compare the God's messengers and women/men of the science.
Why not? What does the word "science" mean? It comes from "scire" which means "to know". Science is the method of KNOWING something, rather than blind faith. This is not to say that any theory of a "scientist" is true SCIENCE, no, only that which can be verified to be consistent. Like making liquid from 2 hydrogens and one oxygen.
The laws of life from our physical body to our minds are controlled by these SCIENTIFIC laws, the big bang spewed out gases according to STRICT MATHEMATICAL LAWS which is how we have the sciences of chemistry , physics, etc. It is the reason we can have something called Mathematics.
Aren't we suppose to ask for increase in Knowledge? If science implies KNOWLEDGE, then we are asking for an increase in SCIENCE (ability to know things)
What do you call what ABraham was doing when he witnessed the rising and setting of the stars, moon and sun? What about the weighing and proper mathematical measurements of SHuiab? How do we understand the calculations of money to be left to our families, without science?
We cannot compare this Reading at any scientific book of Einstein and co..
- Say If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Reading like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another.
Its not the physical book that we focus on, thats for sects, the universal reading is Al Kitaab(the Universe). Certainly all the human and hidden ones gathered together cannot bring the like of this universe(Al kitaab), which is to be "read".
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Peace,
I have some questions
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Why the need to have a "final" messenger or a "final" prophet? What's the purpose of it?
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From where(the source) an inventor/discoverer gets his inspiration for his new discovery? Can he make his discovery if he's is not following the laws of the god in the creation?
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Physically speaking, how can we make a difference between a "messenger of the god" and a "normal servant of the god"? Where does the difference lie between the two?
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Peace be upon you Someone,
I have some questions
- Why the need to have a "final" messenger or a "final" prophet? What's the purpose of it?
The God informs us that this is the understanding of the majority throughout time, they never want another messenger to come.
4034 (YA) "And to you there came joseph in times gone by, with Clear Signs, but ye ceased not to doubt of the (Mission) for which he had come At length, when he died, ye said 'No apostle will Allah send after him.' thus doth Allah leave to stray such as transgress and live in doubt,-
So expect to see these statements that no more messengers are coming, but realize the proper place for these statements.
- From where(the source) an inventor/discoverer gets his inspiration for his new discovery?
From The Lord (Rabb)
Can he make his discovery if he's is not following the laws of the god in the creation?
No, he cannot It is by following the God's laws in creation that one can raise to the level where he can intuit from the God. Abraham recieved instructions from the God, which he followed, and was THEN made an Imam to the world. The God does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in thier NAFS.
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salams zenje,
shuaib wrote
... too bad, when the only thing they really need is the Quran.zenje wrote You mean GOD...
Actually, it's obvious that we need God.. but how do we get to God? Our central means of that is through the message of the Quran. That is our connection to him.
If you go to someone and say "do not oppress others" , you are acting as MESSENGER.
Yes idolfree, and someone delivering the mail is also acting as a messenger. And someone acting out the message of the Quran is a MUSLIM. Someone clearly interpreting the Quran is a MUSLIM. We do not need to have ranks between Muslims... and we CERTAINLY should not be making ranks and claiming it is divinely ordained!
wassalam
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Peace Kyle,
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Yes, a messenger brings clarity from the scripture, but the messenger did not necessarily "bring the scripture"Can you quote some examples from the Reading which support your statement?
Yes, but you will have to start t hinking about AL Kitaab being the universe, not some paper book.
Thanks for the reminder, we agree the Reading is a book and belong to the BOOK which is with the God.
(515) You, The Book's people, Our messenger has come to you, he clarifies/shows to you much from what you were hiding from The Book, and He forgives/pardons from much, a light and clear/evident Book had come to you from God.
The messeger clarifies/shows not according his desire but through the God's word. The response is given in 516
516 Through this Book Allah guides to paths of Peace, those who seek His Approval. He brings them out of darkness into the Light of His Grace, and guides them to the Straight Path.
One can hide a part of a scripture
- And they did not appreciate God as He deserves to be appreciated, for they said ?God has never sent down anything to any human being.? Say ?Who then has sent down the ScriptureBook/alkitab which Moses had come with, a light and a guidance for the people? You treat it just as paper, you show some of it and conceal much, and you were taught what neither you nor your fathers knew.? Say ?God has.? Then leave them playing in their folly.
And it is always a SUCCESSION of messengers that follow a prophet. Prophethood is just the ability to Intiut TRUTH (how parts relate to each other and the WHOLE). We must be SCIENTISTS, science and religion are not enemies, they are ONE.
I would prefer a definition of prophethood in the light of the Reading not based on opinions.
Scientists and prophets are not at the same level, the scientific discoveries is the fruit of several years of research. The God guides every one who seeks to improve his knowledge about the creation.
Did the prophet Muhamad have done the same thing to know all what was inspired/revealed to him through this Reading?
The response is No. The examples are numerous
Several scientific discoveries dated from the 20th century were announced since several centuries in this Reading.
Scientists and prophets are supplementary but not interchangeable.
We cannot compare this Reading at any scientific book of Einstein and co..
- Say ?If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Reading like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another.?
Its not the physical book that we focus on, thats for sects, the universal reading is Al Kitaab(the Universe). Certainly all the human and hidden ones gathered together cannot bring the like of this universe(Al kitaab), which is to be "read".
The God speaks about this Reading and not about the BOOK
I rectify a bit the translation of 1788 according of the arabic textSay ?If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring something like this Reading...
1789 And We have cited to mankind in this Reading of every example, but most of mankind refuse to be anything but a rejecter!
1741 We have explained things in various ways in this Qur?an so that people understand. But Our Law of Guidance is unwavering (488 ). The ones with preconceived denial will only increase in their flight from the Truth.
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Peace Fahad,
I think FM's translation of this verse 1047 is correct
- And for every nation is a messenger; so when their messenger comes, the matter is decreed between them with justice, and they are not wronged.
peace marie .
but the word used in 1047 is "ummah" . does ummah mean "community" , or "nation" ?also Malik and Asad translate the verse in past tense, showing that every nation or community has already recieved their messenger
Malik Every nation was sent a Rasool...
Asad Now every community has had an apostle...
what do u say ?
peace .