Marrying modern day christians is haram based on Quran
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It literally said Aamanu, not Muslims. You're adding your own word into the ayah.
Not every Muslim is from the Aamanu. That's what you're not understanding. There's a difference between the two. Read 49;19.
4919 should humble you.
Arguing semantics here, i do not what the relevance of your point is to the discussion
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Lol so you are are saying i’m not one of those who believe?
Of course not, you weren't even born.
in fact you clearly said you follow sunnah. That alone violates the Quraan. Forget about aamanu, your aslamu is questionable since you're already doing shirk.
But lets not talk about you. Stick with the Quraan and its audience who it was addressing. Those ayaat were directed at a specific people who don't exist anymore.
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6010 is not talking about marriage with kaafiraat. Part which confuses you is talking about not keeping (giving protection) for refugees who're female kaafir; if they're recognized as believing women they can be married.
55 is talking about marriage with women from ehl-ul-kitaab, which is not same as Christians. Ehl-ul-kitaab are only those who're working according to el-kitaab they accepted.
There's a phrase at the start of 571 and 572, and it's le-qad, which you need to understand. It's not about what Christians done, but what kaafiroon of Benu Isra'il done. Today, Christians follow what these people left behind them, without questioning.
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Great reminder for us all
An-Nahl (16116)
وَ لَا تَقُوۡلُوۡا لِمَا تَصِفُ اَلۡسِنَتُکُمُ الۡکَذِبَ ہٰذَا حَلٰلٌ وَّ ہٰذَا حَرَامٌ لِّتَفۡتَرُوۡا عَلَی اللّٰہِ الۡکَذِبَ ؕ اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یَفۡتَرُوۡنَ عَلَی اللّٰہِ الۡکَذِبَ لَا یُفۡلِحُوۡنَ
And not, for what your tongues asserts, the lie, 'This is lawful and this is unlawful', so that you forge a lie against Allah; surely those who forge the lie against Allah shall not prosper.
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Of course not, you weren't even born.
in fact you clearly said you follow sunnah. That alone violates the Quraan. Forget about aamanu, your aslamu is questionable since you're already doing shirk.
But lets not talk about you. Stick with the Quraan and its audience who it was addressing. Those ayaat were directed at a specific people who don't exist anymore.
Amanu can mean either believe or believed. It does not strictly mean believed. So your point is not valid
Where is the shirk? Quran tells us we have to pray, I use the sunnah to know how to pray.
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You're mistaken. You didn't exist when it was being said, so you were not part of the message.
2153 is also addressing them Aamanu, not the general aslamu. There's a difference between aamanu and aslamu as mentioned in 4914. A person can aslam but not aamanu.
If YA was talking to people in front of the Prophet, than YA is living people not dead or non-existing. You're providing evidence in support of YA being restrictive.
Well... You get me not or you intentionally act as you don't get.....
Who taught you that for God YA means existing and not valid for those were dead and not yet born.
God communicates with those who read His book.. You are not matured enough to grasp what Ya by God... Are you?
Don't misunderstand my wording... Coz you are... God never spoke in Quran only for those who are born and living and after death for others it doesn't applicable.. Wow.. What a logic.. When Quran was revealed Torah and Injeel was in tact... If in those books Ya is there does it mean Ya doesn't apply. But God directly say to them follow Torah and Injeel while quran is revealed.. So those books were valid at that time..Why you twist verse I brought 2153... Unknown what aslam means.. Don't bring irrelevant word here..
Look at verse 4913 ... Ya Ayyuhannas... You know what it means.. So here does that mean God address only those who lived while the verse was revealed and never applicable to people who born later. Is the verse applicable to us or not? Even you say Yes or No I don't mind.. Coz I understood your fallacy of thought...
So according to 2153 Don't you want to pray... Coz God says Ya ayyhalzena Amanu... And prayer is mentioned.. So prayers only for people of Mohamed and not for us..Bro.. To say simply I believe in God and the believers are different ... Believers are commited and come to a rank it status and their next perhaps to become muttaqun... In that angle meaning believe differ..
In 4914 they said almost like they are believers.. In fact they do believe but they can't be bekeievers coz it is a status Gof only can give that... But we can say we believe in God and His books.. So we are Muslim...
Can one say I am a muttaqun..? No way.. God decides who siddiqun or muttaqun who believers etc.
Believe is just a word to have some faith. Not deep rooted.
Those badouin were just Muslims coz they have surrendered to God.. But they have not developed their faith (Eemanai) and not continuously practiced good deeds... That's makes a believer..
Here whenever God says Ya ayyuhallazeena Amanu .it doesn't mean they are true believers and perfect.. They just believe in God and they guidance.. So God call them as such..You failed to grasp that the verses of Quran is from God and not Mohamed.. Coz you think when these Ya is used Mohamed is communicating with people. God communicates.. Why God needs to add a Ya IN verse any way Mohamed is gonna speak to people. .foesnt mohamed know to say Ya when he addresses people.. Just ponder.. Coz all words are from God.
God says gor example.. Kul.. Then says Ya... Mohamed doesn't need go to people and speak " Kul and Ya. Beginning with Ya is enough..
He is reading Quran and passing message are two things..
Lastly.. For God Ya is always okay.. Coz He addresses living and the people to come as well. He preserved Quran not just to address people of Mohamed.
For example.. God says in Quran you will see on that pregnant woman forget her child .. Will mohamed live to see this or his people. Only those wake are living will see on that day. So God address them as well. .coz they will witness what God predicts..
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Yes, it is forbidden to marry a Christian who believes in the Trinity. It is forbidden to marry a Christian who ascribes divinity to Jesus or any other servant.
It is also forbidden to marry a pantheistic Sufi who worships the universe and himself. Even on this forum there are pantheists who worship nature, for example, and it is haram to marry them.
Peace
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People are adament on FORBIDING matters...
Well Believing men of any ethnicty is never forbidden for believing women of any ethnicty... That's so simplified.. Unless they are according to 423-24 ( FORBIDDEN).. OR.. 243 (FORBIDDEN) ... OR.. 2221(FORBIDDEN)
anything other than this never forbidden.. But choose always a believing person for marriage if you are one who believes God.. God always recommend a believer to marry another believer...Anyone who reads above verses meticulously they only option is on who believes in One God regardless of ethnicty... ..
Note.. Read 6121 carefully.. And know that his or her one action can easily be deemed by Allah as a mushrik... Action here is not idol worship.. But simply denial of God's instructions..
So decide when it comes marriage who could be mushrik deniers etc... Don't ever trust conventional Muslims until thru follow Quran alone.. They can easily drag you to hell.. -
People are adament on FORBIDING matters...
Well Believing men of any ethnicty is never forbidden for believing women of any ethnicty... That's so simplified.. Unless they are according to 423-24 ( FORBIDDEN).. OR.. 243 (FORBIDDEN) ... OR.. 2221(FORBIDDEN)
anything other than this never forbidden.. But choose always a believing person for marriage if you are one who believes God.. God always recommend a believer to marry another believer...Anyone who reads above verses meticulously they only option is on who believes in One God regardless of ethnicty... ..
Note.. Read 6121 carefully.. And know that his or her one action can easily be deemed by Allah as a mushrik... Action here is not idol worship.. But simply denial of God's instructions..
So decide when it comes marriage who could be mushrik deniers etc... Don't ever trust conventional Muslims until thru follow Quran alone.. They can easily drag you to hell..When did anybody mention ethnicity? We are talking about prohibiting marriage based on ones beliefs
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People are adament on FORBIDING matters...
Well Believing men of any ethnicty is never forbidden for believing women of any ethnicty... That's so simplified.. Unless they are according to 423-24 ( FORBIDDEN).. OR.. 243 (FORBIDDEN) ... OR.. 2221(FORBIDDEN)
anything other than this never forbidden.. But choose always a believing person for marriage if you are one who believes God.. God always recommend a believer to marry another believer...Anyone who reads above verses meticulously they only option is on who believes in One God regardless of ethnicty... ..
Note.. Read 6121 carefully.. And know that his or her one action can easily be deemed by Allah as a mushrik... Action here is not idol worship.. But simply denial of God's instructions..
So decide when it comes marriage who could be mushrik deniers etc... Don't ever trust conventional Muslims until thru follow Quran alone.. They can easily drag you to hell..peace
But that's the thing, who exactly is a mushrik? Are Christians mushriks? Are atheists? Just idolaters? I can't remember the verse but I think there was a verse where mushriks and Christians are two separate groups. Are mushriks everyone who commits shirk?
If a conventional Muslim respects your beliefs and freedom, I don't see why you couldn't marry them. I guess they can influence you but if you stay focused on following the Qur'an alone and stay connected to other believers like on here, you will probably stay on the right path imo
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But that's the thing, who exactly is a mushrik? Are Christians mushriks? Are atheists? Just idolaters? I can't remember the verse but I think there was a verse where mushriks and Christians are two separate groups. Are mushriks everyone who commits shirk?
If a conventional Muslim respects your beliefs and freedom, I don't see why you couldn't marry them. I guess they can influence you but if you stay focused on following the Qur'an alone and stay connected to other believers like on here, you will probably stay on the right path imo
Quran 6010 prohibits us from marrying kuffar
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But that's the thing, who exactly is a mushrik? Are Christians mushriks? Are atheists? Just idolaters? I can't remember the verse but I think there was a verse where mushriks and Christians are two separate groups. Are mushriks everyone who commits shirk?
If a conventional Muslim respects your beliefs and freedom, I don't see why you couldn't marry them. I guess they can influence you but if you stay focused on following the Qur'an alone and stay connected to other believers like on here, you will probably stay on the right path imo
Let me answer first your second paragraph..
They don't respect our beliefs... They will never... They won't even allow us to speak freely in their dominated society about Quran alone.. They consider us literally kafir.. Everyone I met us same no difference... They call us new fitna.. Destined people for hell.. Don't even dream they respect our belief.. There are people they don't practice anything at all just they claim sunni or shia just coz they are born. They don't practice anything.. Such people don't hate us but they are doing nothing for their life to come.. They almoat like dead bodies.. They may respect us coz they don't care about faith. .. Anyway conventional Muslims are good people when it comes to their own behavior. I don't reject it. Same Christians are good people when it comes to their behavior same Hindu or budhist.. People in general are ethical not though.
Your first paragraph. First find out where Shirk does happen then deduce who In fact commit shirk.. A believer can make shirk too.. A general disbeliever can make shirk too. Hypocrites can commit shirk too. A Yehudi or nasara can commit shirk , Well atheist can do shirk too.. But remember well there are certain people their entire faith is shirk based and nothing else. For example if a person believe in idolworship anf consider all those deities as goda abd goddess they are manifestly mushrikun... Manifest visible association... Do you get me.
But other group are invisible mushrik... They may be differ in classification. Buy it doesn't mean they don't commit shirk.. For example ... A hypocrite. He is not labelled as Mushrik... Coz it classified as Munafiq... Coz he has certain natures... He says he believes In God.. Yes literally he believes.. But needless to say his rejection /kufr.. And he won't keep away shirk when he wants. To commit associate (shirk ) you need object /action.. Hypocrite don't use objects to associate but by actions.. Buy their life style is not mushrik they are Munafiq.. Be it Munafiq or mushrik or atheist or whatever the common thing is they all Deny/kufr the authority of God... In a nutshell THISE who deny God's authority is Rejectors /kufr.
SATAN can easily drag anyone to Shirk of action.. Shirk of object is obvious so needless to explain.. Their obvious actions depicts they are mushrikun coz they worship gods other than God... So don't marry them..
Who commits shirk of actions. Perceive it.. For that use Qurans explanations... Read all shirk verses.. And ponder...
If one drag you and argue with you on a food that is prohibited he is draging you to shirk.. Same if someone prohibits you which is not prohibited he is dragging you to shirk.. That's why I asked to check verse 6121 ... Don't you see conventional Muslims do prohibits many a foods other than what God prohibits. In every conventional Muslims life you can see.. In out town they even prohibits crabs.. They have rules like those birds who eats foods keeping underneath their feet is prohibited. Animals that can live in sea and earth is prohibitted.. For all these restrictions they have hadith quotes.. So where they dragging.. They are doing shirk.... Coz they associate in action agaisnt God's law.. -
Now one would have a rational question...
Can a believer marry a hypocrite?
Yes he or she can marry... Not forbidden literally... What allowed to marry? Yes. Coz God has not forbidden... Coz Munafiq is not labelled as Mushrikun (visible).. God forbid and not we have authority to forbid. Whayever He forbidden no one can make it allowed. Well one would even ponder.. God says Munafiq will be in the depth of Hell fire so why God didn't forbid Munafiq in marriage. While He forbids fornicators, mushrik etc.. This Munafiq is invisible... This is destiny if anyone happened to marry such a Munafiq... But if any believer married to a Munafiq he or she didn't violate God's law... Coz not forbidden.. Though Munafiq is worse than innocent mushrik... If not found befitting divorce...fine.. But if you marry a mushrik knowingly and divorce you have violated God's law... Unless God pardons.
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Yes, it is forbidden to marry a Christian who believes in the Trinity. It is forbidden to marry a Christian who ascribes divinity to Jesus or any other servant.
It is also forbidden to marry a pantheistic Sufi who worships the universe and himself. Even on this forum there are pantheists who worship nature, for example, and it is haram to marry them.
Peace
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People are adament on FORBIDING matters...
Well Believing men of any ethnicty is never forbidden for believing women of any ethnicty... That's so simplified.. Unless they are according to 423-24 ( FORBIDDEN).. OR.. 243 (FORBIDDEN) ... OR.. 2221(FORBIDDEN)
anything other than this never forbidden.. But choose always a believing person for marriage if you are one who believes God.. God always recommend a believer to marry another believer...Anyone who reads above verses meticulously they only option is on who believes in One God regardless of ethnicty... ..
Note.. Read 6121 carefully.. And know that his or her one action can easily be deemed by Allah as a mushrik... Action here is not idol worship.. But simply denial of God's instructions..
So decide when it comes marriage who could be mushrik deniers etc... Don't ever trust conventional Muslims until thru follow Quran alone.. They can easily drag you to hell..Quran is very clear what it has forbidden when it comes to marriage.. 423-24 and 243 abd 2221 this is applicable to all believrs.. 6010 is very specific to that community and anyone facing such situations. Here in 6010 the main objective is muhajireen. .based on that law is presented..
So other than that I dont see anything God forbids.
Christian Jews atheist Munafiq what so ever.. Only main criteria is forbidden for us is Mushrikun... And fornicators are mean don't marry them...
Yes one would argue if a Christian of modern day Says Jesus is trinity then he is disbeliever... But that doesn't come as criteria for not to marry. Quran always prefer believers marry believers.. But not forbidden.. Other than what God forbidden.
Riptide if a true believer married to a conventional Muslim.. They definitly say LA ilaha illallah Muhammad rasoolullah... This is must to be a Muslim for them. I don't see any difference between saying this and saying God is trinity... For marriage life God has not forbidden such acts of people.. We know very well wife of pharou and wife of Lut wife of Nuh... Yes they are people of the past but they Nuh Lut wife of pharou were muslim and they believed in God. But they lived with them. God gives chances to people to amend.. So better not marry if you have options of true believers but God has not forbidden.. If anyone says Forbidden needs comprehensive explanation within Quran why and how...
Other than Mushrikun, fornicator/ress God has not given weight .. NOT FORBIDDEN... afyer all it is marriage life..If anyone FORBIDS so.. So many questions are to be answered within Quran.. If Quran is detailed..
Only those who deeply ponder within Quran verses would grasp the depth... Easy to forbid things.. And they won't realuE ehat they speak. -
Yes, it is forbidden to marry a Christian who believes in the Trinity. It is forbidden to marry a Christian who ascribes divinity to Jesus or any other servant.
It is also forbidden to marry a pantheistic Sufi who worships the universe and himself. Even on this forum there are pantheists who worship nature, for example, and it is haram to marry them.
Peace
Yes, it is forbidden/haram to marry them, this is an indisputable fact. But do you have to divorce a person after marriage if he/she becomes a kafir?
6010 O you who believe, if the believing females come emigrating to you, then you shall test them. God is fully aware of their belief. Thus, if you establish that they are believers, then you shall not return them to the rejecters. They are no longer lawful for one another. And return the dowries that were paid. And there is no sin upon you to marry them, if you have paid their dowries to them. And do not keep disbelieving wives, and ask back what dowries you paid. And let them ask back what dowries they had paid. Such is the judgment of God; He judges between you. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
