Comparison criteria for "A Sura Like It "?
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peace everyone.
i wanted to know your opinion . the koran challenges the disbelievers to produce "a surah like it" . so what do u think should be the comparison criteria , if someone accepts the challenge and tries (in vain) to produce a book like the koran ? for example some ppl have come up with "the true furqan" , i believe as a challenge to the koran .
what do u think about the comparison citeria mentioned on this page
http//members.aol.com/masadi/sci.htmComparison criteria would be what I have discussed earlier i) It should contain information, which no one knows today, but will be found out tomorrow as scientifically accurate. ii) It should contain falsification tests as the Koran. iii) It should stand the test of "forgery" and "hallucination" as the Koran does. iv) It should give "sound" scientifically testable social advice as the Koran. v) Equal the Koran on literary merits. vi) Should have God speaking in the first person as the Koran does and then pass the test of inerrancy.
peace .
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Peace be upon you,
The word "surah" does NOT mean chapter, it implies a structure. The God is challenging you to bring a structure like HIS universe, or even a sign(ayat) from amongst His structure(collection of signs).
Let me repeat that, the rejectors are being challenged to bring a creation, or part of a creation other than the God's creation, and NONE can ever do that.
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Salaamun alaikum,
I think we need to look at the context of the challenge. Lets take the first occurence
O ye people! serve your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may be presevered. Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth). And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. (2/21-23)
So Allah is telling mankind to serve him (a'budu rabbukum) so that they may be preserved. Allah made the earth our couch and the sky our canopy and fed us fruits. This is the most basic thing known to man. We cannot escape our being in this world Allah just described. So nothing can be more profound than this 'sura'.
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Peace be upon you MQ,
So nothing can be more profound than this 'sura'.
Exactly! D
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Peace be upon you,
The word "surah" does NOT mean chapter, it implies a structure. The God is challenging you to bring a structure like HIS universe, or even a sign(ayat) from amongst His structure(collection of signs).
Let me repeat that, the rejectors are being challenged to bring a creation, or part of a creation other than the God's creation, and NONE can ever do that.
peace .
where did the "universe" come from ? -
Peace be upon you,
The word "surah" does NOT mean chapter, it implies a structure. The God is challenging you to bring a structure like HIS universe, or even a sign(ayat) from amongst His structure(collection of signs).
Let me repeat that, the rejectors are being challenged to bring a creation, or part of a creation other than the God's creation, and NONE can ever do that.
Peace idolfree1
do you have a refference where one of the meaning of "sura" is a structure?
peace.
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Peace be upon you,
The word "surah" does NOT mean chapter, it implies a structure. The God is challenging you to bring a structure like HIS universe, or even a sign(ayat) from amongst His structure(collection of signs).
Let me repeat that, the rejectors are being challenged to bring a creation, or part of a creation other than the God's creation, and NONE can ever do that.
Peace bros and sisters,
So "sura" does not mean chapter but implies structure.
So what does sura mean?
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peace All,
I think the core meaning of the word "sura" (root Siin-Waw-Ra) is structure, however, that does not rule out its meaning as "chapter".
Please see the following thread
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2250There are many interesting observations to be made.
Wakas
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Salam all,
I understand the S-W-R as to enclose something for the verb. As for nouns
SUR means an eclosing wall
ISWARA means bracelet which enclsoes the arm or ankle or whateverSURA is feminine of SOOR and therefore has the meaning of Something that encloses. It can be a structure, a chapter of the Qur'an (which encloses the AYAT inside) or even a passage of the Qur'an that cover/encloses any subject may be considered a SURA.
Salaam all
Hussein
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SUR means an eclosing wall
ISWARA means bracelet which enclsoes the arm or ankle or whateverSURA is feminine of SOOR and therefore has the meaning of Something that encloses. It can be a structure, a chapter of the Qur'an (which encloses the AYAT inside) or even a passage of the Qur'an that cover/encloses any subject may be considered a SURA.
Peace hlatif, all
SUR (or SOOR) is written in arabic as .
ISWARA is written in arabic as .
SURA is not the feminine of SOOR, because SURA in arabic is .
I hope you see the differences.
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Salam Someone, All,
Someone wrote
SUR (or SOOR) is written in arabic as
I disagree. SUR is written this way
and here is an AYA to prove it
5713faduriba baynahum bisoorin lahu babun batinuhufeehi alrrahmatu wathahiruhumin qibalihi alAAathabu
So a wall will be put up between them, with a gate therein. Within it will be Mercy throughout, and without it, all alongside, will be (Wrath and) Punishment!Salam
Hussein
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Salam Someone, All,
Someone wrote
SUR (or SOOR) is written in arabic as
I disagree. SUR is written this way
and here is an AYA to prove it
5713faduriba baynahum bisoorin lahu babun batinuhufeehi alrrahmatu wathahiruhumin qibalihi alAAathabu
So a wall will be put up between them, with a gate therein. Within it will be Mercy throughout, and without it, all alongside, will be (Wrath and) Punishment!Salam
Hussein
Salam hlatif,
Indeed, you are right. wink
I have to do some "concept purification".
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Peace be upon you,
The word "surah" does NOT mean chapter, it implies a structure. The God is challenging you to bring a structure like HIS universe, or even a sign(ayat) from amongst His structure(collection of signs).
Let me repeat that, the rejectors are being challenged to bring a creation, or part of a creation other than the God's creation, and NONE can ever do that.
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If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against GOD, if you are truthful.964
The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts. Say, "Go ahead and mock. GOD will expose exactly what you are afraid of."
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When a sura is revealed, stating "Believe in GOD, and strive with His messenger," even the strong among them say, "Let us stay behind!"
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When a sura was revealed, some of them would say, "Did this sura strengthen the faith of anyone among you?" Indeed, it did strengthen the faith of those who believed, and they rejoice in any revelation.9127
Whenever a sura was revealed, some of them would look at each other as if to say "Does anyone see you?" Then they left. Thus, GOD has diverted their hearts, for they are people who do not comprehend
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If they say, "He fabricated it," say, "Then produce one sura like these, and invite whomever you wish, other than GOD, if you are truthful."
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If they say, "He fabricated (the Quran)," tell them, "Then produce ten suras like these, fabricated, and invite whomever you can, other than GOD, if you are truthful."
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A sura that we have sent down, and we have decreed as law. We have revealed in it clear revelations, that you may take heed.
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Those who believed said "When will a new sura be revealed?" But when a straightforward sura was revealed, wherein fighting was mentioned, you would see those who harbored doubts in their hearts looking at you, as if death had already come to them. They were thus exposed.Peace Kyle.
Took many years to imitate sura like it but was late because new miracle was revealed and you are right with saying structure. Yes a chapter with its structure
May be is time you brother to restudy Miracle more carfully and with a heart clear of any negative attitude. May this claiming is new cycle of your study in supporting clear proof which have been revealed.
Peace.
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Peace All,
Can you explain using the definition ?structure? these 2 occurrences? The signs seem to be pointing to written chapters here
One Surah in the 2nd sura
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If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce ONE sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against GOD, if you are truthful.Ten Surah in the 11th
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If they say, "He fabricated (the Quran)," tell them, "Then produce TEN suras like these, fabricated, and invite whomever you can, other than GOD, if you are truthful
