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shahr = lunar month ?

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    Aladin_Azra
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    So, you claim that Allah forgot to put fee there and you have to put it to make that sentence to have some sense? Or, maybe, just maybe, you put some random meanings in words Allah revealed to us so we can ponder over them and those meanings have no sense, because el-Hajj cannot be any months, lunar cycles, phases of the Moon...

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      ^^^ you keep mindlessly ranting like before about spouses and can't read or understand a thing.

      describes an action in the hajj فى in اىام days معلومت well-known

      2228 لىشهدوا to witnessed they of منفع who benefit لهم for them وىذكروا and remembered they of اسم name الله the God فى in اىام days معلومت well-known

      likewise read what was posted prior describes action during group of four i.e., timeframe of hajj
      why so hard headed and total lack of basic cross-reference and reading comprehension skills?

      ??? timeframe is clearly there use context cross-reference

      2197 الحج the hajj اشهر lunar cycles معلومت well-known
      فمن so who فرض undertakes فىهن fīhinna/in them (reference 936) الحج the hajj

      936 ان indeed عده count الشهور the lunar cycles (pl.) عند near/with الله the God اثنا dual عشر ten (twelve) شهرا lunar cycle of فى in كتب book/writ الله the God ىوم day خلق creation السموت the skies والارض and the land
      منها of them اربعه quartet (group of four) حرم inviolable ذلك such الدىن the creed القىم the value
      فلا so not تظلموا thou wrong ye of فىهن fīhinna/in them (i.e., group of four) انفسكم souls yours

      https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/9/verse/36/manuscripts

      https//i.postimg.cc/SR9DcM7b/ch9v29-38.jpg

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        Fee in 2228 won't magically make fee in 2197. Why you're hard-headed and you won't even think that words can have many meanings and maybe, just maybe, ešhur here means something else?

        2228 is not saying about ešhur, but about days. It's your understanding that ešhur is set of days in 2197. Moreover, if time adverb is used, as eyyaam in 2184, it's in accusative, so we can clearly understand that Siyaam (for previous people) was during (not IN) a few days. Thus, if you think that ešhur in 2197 is a time adverb it would be clear. Since it's not clear and it doesn't make sense we should try to figure out its (other) meaning.

        If you think that you understand grammar of the Qur'an please explain and teach me how ešhur in 2197 is a time adverb. Thank you in advance.

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          If you think that you understand grammar of the Qur'an please explain and teach me how ešhur in 2197 is a time adverb. Thank you in advance.

          Already showed numerous times it pertains to timeframe “in them” ie group of four lunar cycles the hajj — how much clearer can this be? Otherwise translate exactly each word 2197 and 936 let’s see it and which word below is incorrectly translated by me?

          2197 الحج the hajj اشهر lunar cycles معلومت well-known
          فمن so who فرض undertakes فىهن fīhinna/in them (reference 936) الحج the hajj

          936 ان indeed عده count الشهور the lunar cycles (pl.) عند near/with الله the God اثنا dual عشر ten (twelve) شهرا lunar cycle of فى in كتب book/writ الله the God ىوم day خلق creation السموت the skies والارض and the land
          منها of them اربعه quartet (group of four) حرم inviolable ذلك such الدىن the creed القىم the value
          فلا so not تظلموا thou wrong ye of فىهن fīhinna/in them (i.e., group of four) انفسكم souls yours

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            I've already given my view on this, I will quote

            First, let's notice that there's no IN (fee فِي) at the start of 2197, so it cannot mean that el-Hajj is IN anything. The proof for this is 2228 where IN was used with eyām ma'loomāt فِي أَيَّامٍ مَعْلُومَاتٍ. This means that el-Hajj IS ešhur ma'loomāt أَشْهُرٌ مَعْلُومَاتٌ and we have to figure out what this means.

            Passive ma'loomāt is a feminine plural and it's an adjective of ešhur here. The passive participle means that some verb was done on its subject if there's no active participle, or it means that some verb is doing on its subject in case that there's an active participle. Since we can't see an active participle we should conclude that ma'lumāt already have their passive state. We should note that the language of the Qur'an has an anticausative also, which is expressed by verbal form VII. So, who made ešhur ma'lumāt?

            We should note that ešhur is more likely masculine, especially in 654 since it has feminine number (3) or 95 where probably masculine adjective Hurum is used. Due to this we could conclude that ešhur, as all other words, has multiple meanings and that some meanings are masculine and some feminine, because it's obvious that in 2197 ešhur should be feminine plural. As ešhur in 654 most probably means "(3) months" where it's masculine, we can conclude that ešhur in 2197 has some other meaning.

            Root šeen-ha-ra describes revealing of something step-by-step, or in case of the Moon by phases. Ešhur as a collective noun can mean all these steps or phases, thus in relation to the Moon it means "(lunar) month". This collective form is singular and plural same time, as, for example, enfus is singular and plural for "self" (selves). This also mean that ešhur is not a plural of šehr, which has its normal plural in šuhoor, as, for example, beyt has buyoot.

            If ešhur are not months, then what it means here?

            Due to its root meaning and noun's form we could conclude that ešhur is some sort of a collection of revealings. Since el-Hajj is debating, discussing we could conclude that ešhur means a collection of presentations speakers/participants in el-Hajj. Why they're ma'loomāt? Because the host (Ibrahim and people after him) already chosen and decided which set of topics and their presenters will be el-Hajj.

            The rest of 2197 talks about those who participiate IN THEM (fee hinne فِيهِنَّ), meaning speakers/participants in presentations of the Hajj.

            I hope this makes sense...

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