My interpretation of salaat (UPDATED)
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Peace be upon you
All the things here are my opinion and my view of salaat. Please read patiently and if you have some points that you think I?m wrong, correct me. I like constructive criticism.
ORATION (OF THE QURAN)
011.114 And establish the oration (of the quran) at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night For those things, that are good remove those that are evil Be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord)
017.078 Establish the oration (of the quran) - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning oration and reading for the oration and reading in the morning carry their testimony.
All these verses are addressed to the PROPHET, not to us. What?s the point of reading the QURAN OVER AND OVER AGAIN AFTER YOU GOT THE MESSAGE? The prophet HAD TO READ IT EVERYDAY because HE WAS THE ONE TRYING TO SPREAD THE MESSAGE. He was probably travelling and reading the Quran to new faces everyday. SO, CONSEQUENTLY WE DON?T HAVE TO READ IT AT DAWN AND NIGHT.
024.058 O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and the (children) among you who have not come of age ask your permission (before they come to your presence), on three occasions before morning oration; the while ye doff your clothes for the noonday heat; and after the late-night oration these are your three times of undress outside those times it is not wrong for you or for them to move about attending to each other Thus does Allah make clear the Signs to you for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
029.045 Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee, and fullfill the commitments for commitment restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of Allah is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And Allah knows the (deeds) that ye do.
073.02-04 STAND by night, but not all night,- Half of it,- or a little less, Or a little more; and recite the Qur'an in slow, measured rhythmic tones.
017.110 Say "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well) for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy oration aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between."
002.038 Guard strictly your orations, especially the best oration (the Quran); and STAND for Allah in a devout (frame of mind).
002.239 If ye fear, (establish the oration) on foot, or riding, (as may be most convenient), but when ye are in security, celebrate Allah's praises in the manner He has taught you, which ye knew not (before).
025.064 Those who spend the night in adoration of their Lord prostrate (the mind) and STANDING;
039.009 Is one who worships devoutly during the hour of the night prostrating himself or STANDING (in adoration), who takes heed of the Hereafter, and who places his hope in the Mercy of his Lord - (like one who does not)? Say "Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? It is those who are endued with understanding that receive admonition.
Again Mohammed (S.A.V.) is asked to recite the Book STANDING not too loud or in a low tone, not us. So if you think that the orders in 11114 and 1778 are for all believers then we HAVE TO READ IT STANDING!
009.054 The only reasons why their contributions are not accepted are that they reject Allah and His Messenger; that they come to oration (of the quran) without earnestness; and that they offer contributions unwillingly.
062.009 O ye who believe! When the call is proclaimed to the oration (of the Quran) on the Day of Assembly, hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic) That is best for you if ye but knew!
004.043 O ye who believe! Approach not the oration (of the quran) with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.
005.006 O ye who believe! when ye prepare for the oration (of the quran), wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.
Mohammed used to recite the Quran publicly and Allah WANTS THE PARTICIPATERS TO BE CLEAN and NOT INTOXICATED maybe because they can say things they wouldn't say in a clean state of mind and mock Allah's words when they are drunk.
009.103 Of their goods, take alms, that so thou mightest purify and sanctify them; and orate for them. Verily thy oration are a source of security for them And Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth.
FOLLOW CLOSELY, COMMITMENT
009.071 The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil they fulfill the commiments, bring forth purification, and OBEY Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise.
005.055 Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who fulfill the commitments and bring forth purification, and they bow down humbly.
005.058 When ye proclaim your call to follow (the quran) they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.
019.059 But after them there followed a posterity who missed the commitments and followed after lusts soon, then, will they face Destruction,-
005.091 Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from the commitments will ye not then abstain?
011.087 They said "O Shu'aib! Do thy commitments command thee that we leave off the worship which our fathers practised, or that we leave off doing what we like with our property? truly, thou art the one that forbeareth with faults and is right-minded!"
009.005 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and fulfill the commitments and bring forth purification, then open the way for them for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
005.012 Allah did aforetime take a covenant from the Children of Israel, and we appointed twelve captains among them. And Allah said "I am with you if ye (but) fulfill commitments, bring forth purification, believe in my messengers, honour and assist them, and loan to Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path or rectitude."
008.035 Their commitment at the system is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands (Its only answer can be), "Taste ye the penalty because ye blasphemed."
004.101 When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten from the commitments, for fear the Unbelievers May persecute you For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.
004.102 AND WHEN thou art with them then establish COMMITMENTS (duties of fighting) for them let one party of them stand up with thee and let them take their arms and when they have SUBMITTED let them take their positions in the rear and let the other party come up which hath not yet COMMITTED (to the duties of fighting) and let them COMMIT (to the duties of the fighting) with thee and let them take their precautions and their arms the unbelievers wish if ye were negligent of your arms and your baggage to assault you in a single rush but there is no sin on you if ye put away your arms because of the INJURIES from RAIN or because ye are ill; but take (every) precaution for yourselves. For the unbelievers Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment.
004.103 THEN WHEN ye have performed / complied / fulfilled the COMMITMENTS (duties of fighting), REMEMBER Allah, standing and sitting and lying on your sides. Then when ye are secure, execute the COMMITMENTS (scheduled oration of the Quran) Verily the COMMITMENTS (scheduled oration of the Quran) are prescribed unto the believers at definite times. (THANKS HAFEEZ KAZI)
BLESSINGS
002.157 They are those on whom (Descend) blessings from Allah, and Mercy, and they are the ones that receive guidance.
024.041 Seest thou not that it is Allah Whose praises all beings in the heavens and on earth do celebrate, and the birds (of the air) with wings outspread? Each one knows its own blessing and praise. And Allah knows well all that they do.
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Peace
insightful analysis
004.101 When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten from the commitments, for fear the Unbelievers May persecute you For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.
004.102 AND WHEN thou art with them then establish COMMITMENTS (duties of fighting) for them let one party of them stand up with thee and let them take their arms and when they have SUBMITTED let them take their positions in the rear and let the other party come up which hath not yet COMMITTED (to the duties of fighting) and let them COMMIT (to the duties of the fighting) with thee and let them take their precautions and their arms the unbelievers wish if ye were negligent of your arms and your baggage to assault you in a single rush but there is no sin on you if ye put away your arms because of the INJURIES from RAIN or because ye are ill; but take (every) precaution for yourselves. For the unbelievers Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment.
004.103 THEN WHEN ye have performed / complied / fulfilled the COMMITMENTS (duties of fighting), REMEMBER Allah, standing and sitting and lying on your sides. Then when ye are secure, execute the COMMITMENTS (scheduled oration of the Quran) Verily the COMMITMENTS (scheduled oration of the Quran) are prescribed unto the believers at definite times. (THANKS HAFEEZ KAZI)
imo the end of the passage should also reffer to the commitment of fighting( and not oration or any other form of oral dhikr).... its more consistent...the instruction at the end of the passage is clearly to fully or completely perform what is being allowed to shorten in the case of fear of persecution...and not a new injuction to another form of salat...
(how could, out of blue, the passage switch to scheduled oration when it wasnt in the sight in the passage?) "when you are secure(your home town/basis from being persecuted by rejecters) then you perform commitments of fighting fully ( all of you should go to fight)...fighting has become incumbent upon believers at certain point of time, or it becomes incumbent upon believers from time to time..."
see the context 10 or even more verses before...
the passage imo is allowance for not all the believers to go to fight when there is a fear of persecution of the basis/hometown or similar....
best wishes
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You're right Zlatan. Thank you for your input.
Peace...
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Salaam All,
I noticed the Salat that you translated as commitments were not specified in 4101. Why is that? and what are they?
Take care and have a good day
Hussein
Salam Hussein
That's a good question ? Can it be "orations"? Does anybody else have a comment on the ayat?
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SALAM HLATIF.
BROTHER ZLATAN EXPLAINED IT BUT WE COULDN'T SEE THE LINK BETWEEN 4101 AND 4103. HERE'S MY NEW TRANSLATION OF THE VERSES. I HOPE THIS ONE WILL BE HELPFUL.
004.101 When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten from the commitments (of the fighting), for fear the Unbelievers May persecute you For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.
004.102 AND WHEN thou art with them then establish COMMITMENTS (duties of fighting) for them let one party of them stand up with thee and let them take their arms and when they have SUBMITTED let them take their positions in the rear and let the other party come up which hath not yet COMMITTED (to the duties of fighting) and let them COMMIT (to the duties of the fighting) with thee and let them take their precautions and their arms the unbelievers wish if ye were negligent of your arms and your baggage to assault you in a single rush but there is no sin on you if ye put away your arms because of the INJURIES from RAIN or because ye are ill; but take (every) precaution for yourselves. For the unbelievers Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment.
004.103 THEN WHEN ye have performed / complied / fulfilled the COMMITMENTS (duties of fighting), REMEMBER Allah, standing and sitting and lying on your sides. Then when ye are secure, execute the COMMITMENTS (duties of fighting) Verily the COMMITMENTS (duties of fighting) are prescribed unto the believers at definite times.
THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN ZLATAN. MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH YOU.
Peace...
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Salam both,
Commitment of fighting does not make sense for the 4101. The reason being that the fight has to last until it ends, therefore the muslims did not have the power to stop it until they defeat or get defeated. Shortening it makes very little sense.
Salaam to both
Hussein
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Salam both,
Commitment of fighting does not make sense for the 4101. The reason being that the fight has to last until it ends, therefore the muslims did not have the power to stop it until they defeat or get defeated. Shortening it makes very little sense.
Salaam to both
Hussein
Salam Hlatif
You are right. How can they shorten from the commitments of the fighting when they are in war. They should be a prisoner of war or something. Maybe it's orations. ( ?
Peace...
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Salaams ,
just a little inputIf you were a pakistani you would know what is Salaa , it is often called Salaa -Mashwarai.
It is simply A Discussion where people give their advice ,and views on a matter or matters and committments are made which should then be kept pure when you carry them out for the benefits.And one mustn't mix things in the commitments to benefit oneself alone. - I think.
In the case Latif is mentioning if you look at the context of the ayah/s The salaa in this case is simply giving/taking orders and the discussion of the manouvers - i suppose / of fighting.
Salaams And God be with you.
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Peace
Salaam All,
I noticed the Salat that you translated as commitments were not specified in 4101. Why is that? and what are they?
Take care and have a good day
Hussein
they are specified(or they could be) in the beggining of the passage.... as i have already said see the context (say from 495) or few verses before ...it seems that 4101-3 was a part of a greater passage whose topic is undisputably fighting.. so the commitement in 4101 could very well (and gramatically valid) reffer to the commitment(s)/duties of fighting.....or any commitement that is previously mentioned...
p.s. whatever , be it fighting or some other commitement, the questionable occurence of assalaat in 4103 clearly reffers to full performance of that practice that is allowed to be shortened in 4101
best wishes, Zlatan
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Salam both,
Commitment of fighting does not make sense for the 4101. The reason being that the fight has to last until it ends, therefore the muslims did not have the power to stop it until they defeat or get defeated. Shortening it makes very little sense.
Salaam to both
Hussein
it does make sense ...the verses doesnt necessarily signifies that the battle has already started...its rather, so it seems to me, about traveling/going to battle...whatever
one is allowed to shorten his fighting or participation in the battle if there is fear of persecution(ofa hometown/basis or similar?)...and this allowance was necessary to specifically mention because at the beggining of the passage few or more verses before 4101 it was stated that not to go to fight is a gross error.....please see the context
best wishes
Zlatan
p.s
i have no script before me now so ill check it again at home...
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Salam all,
Zlatan wrote
p.s. whatever , be it fighting or some other commitement, the questionable occurence of assalaat in 4103 clearly reffers to full performance of that practice that is allowed to be shortened in 4104
We agree, except that the shortening occurred in 4101
I did read the previous AYAT and they seemed to be dealing mainly with the Immigration HIJRA more than QITAL.
004.102 AND WHEN thou art with them then establish COMMITMENTS (duties of fighting) for them let one party of them stand up with thee and let them take their arms and when they have SUBMITTED let them take their positions in the rear and let the other party come up which hath not yet COMMITTED
Understanding as commitment of fighting is troubling to me because the prophet takes a group of his followers and fight and then they do SUJOOD which you guys translated as SUBMITTED. Who did they submit to? Since GOD's name is not mentioned, the logical party they submit to will be the warring party, therefore declaring defeat.
I don't think that there is fighting in those AYAT. I do think that there is marching (For some purpose that may include later fighting) and an order to be very careful of surprise attacks rather than an actual fight.
Salam all
Hussein
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Salam hlatif
004100 He who forsakes his home in the cause of Allah, finds in the earth Many a refuge, wide and spacious Should he die as a refugee from home for Allah and His Messenger, His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Yeah ayat seems to be about Hijra but they probably had to fight with disbelievers when they were immigrating. 4101 talks about THIS DANGER.
hlatif wrote
Understanding as commitment of fighting is troubling to me because the prophet takes a group of his followers and fight and then they do SUJOOD which you guys translated as SUBMITTED.
They submitted to the orders of Mohammed (pbuh) and fulfilled their commitments.
Peace...
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Salam hlatif
004100 He who forsakes his home in the cause of
Allah, finds in the earth Many a refuge, wide and spacious Should he die
as a refugee from home for Allah and His Messenger, His reward becomes
due and sure with Allah. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.Yeah ayat seems to be about Hijra but they probably had to fight with
disbelievers when they were immigrating. 4101 talks about THIS DANGER.hlatif wrote
Understanding as commitment of fighting is troubling to me because
the prophet takes a group of his followers and fight and then they do SUJOOD
which you guys translated as SUBMITTED.They submitted to the orders of Mohammed (pbuh) and fulfilled their
commitments.Peace...
of course....the language allows this...hlatif was a bit too strict and
unflexible...though, its not that he might be not onto somehting...the
verses might very well be about some session(meeting/learning/reciting/counceling/or something else)p.s hlatif..remember our discussion on ma-la-ka...i have found in Wahr
also(modern arabic)that this root is used to denote marrying....best wishes
Zlatan
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Peace.
I'm extremely occupied at the moment, so my forum participation is diluted, but I've just come to suggest that maybe Salat = sining (Oration sounds a bit iffy to me, but could sining and oration mean the same thing?) when we sing, we feel some kind of funny feeling, and it can be a spiritual experience wit the Quran. So arabs consider the meanings from ancient arabic (its not their mother tongue) and non-arabs consider it in their own language, so arabs don't have an advantgae over non-arabs.
Natu out (for now...)