Kaba Corruption
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Peace all
From Ayman's 'Language Barrier' article we have sufficient evidence that the kaba of arabia has some connection with Dusari, and in Aidid Safar's book we also find convincing evidence of a hindu origin, e.g. panch-maha-yagna = five daily worship. What do you guys think, is either one right, or have the arab's made a mish mash remix?
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Peace all
From Ayman's 'Language Barrier' article we have sufficient evidence that the kaba of arabia has some connection with Dusari, and in Aidid Safar's book we also find convincing evidence of a hindu origin, e.g. panch-maha-yagna = five daily worship. What do you guys think, is either one right, or have the arab's made a mish mash remix?
Khi- Salam. Even if this true n the Kaaba belonged 2 Hindus n they prayed five times a day then this doesnt make it wrong 4 the physical practices themselves r not wrong but the intentions with which n the dedication 2 whom they r performed is whts most important. Maybe the Hindus also originated from Abraham or they adapted these practices from him while later generations entered into idolatry. GOD Bless!
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Well, there is the Brahma A Hindu god.
Khi- Salam. As far as i know in the Hindu scriptures Brahma is/was originally an attribute of GOD meaning 'Lord/Cherisher/Sustainer' similar 2 Arabic 'rabb'. Hinduism is in its origin a MONOTHEISTIC religion but became corrupted later on. One famous quote from the Veda is 'ikam braham doostia naasti nia naasti naasti kinchan' meaning 'there is only one God n no other, no one, not in the least'. GOD Bless!
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http//www.jordanmaxwell.com/images/mecca3.gif
http//www.jordanmaxwell.com/images/mecca4.gif
http//www.jordanmaxwell.com/images/kabba3.jpg
http//www.jordanmaxwell.com/images/kabba4.jpg
and then
http//www.jordanmaxwell.com/images/mecca2.gif
All coincidence ofcourse
Peace
Noah -
Well, there is the Brahma A Hindu god.
Khi- Salam. As far as i know in the Hindu scriptures Brahma is/was originally an attribute of GOD meaning 'Lord/Cherisher/Sustainer' similar 2 Arabic 'rabb'. Hinduism is in its origin a MONOTHEISTIC religion but became corrupted later on. One famous quote from the Veda is 'ikam braham doostia naasti nia naasti naasti kinchan' meaning 'there is only one God n no other, no one, not in the least'. GOD Bless!
Very interesting, Khi. Thanks! -
From
http//media.isnet.org/antar/etc/DeedatBalance.html
"The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found
inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in
Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as
"Sayar-ul-Okul" treasured in the Makhtab-e-sultania
(library) in Istanbul, Turkey."HINDU SCRIPTS HANGING INSIDE THE KABA OF ARABIA!
twisted We're in!
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Peace.
Brother Noah put up the following in the thread http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3404 many thnks to him for doing so. . I hope he doesn't mind it being put here as well.
http//www.imagerely.com/imagehost/uimages/11848idol.jpg
In front of the temple stood two huge decorated pillars (1 Kings 715-22; 2 Chron. 37,16-17), which had no specific architectural purpose.23 They did, however, have symbolic meaning, for they were called 'Jachin', ('God founds') and 'Boas' ('He comes in power.'), expressing God' nature artistically and symbolically.24 Symbols play an important role in Biblical revelation25 and, as a result, have continually served as inspiration for art. The language of art is the language of symbols.
This might be shaping it a but, but i got it off a christian site. Researchers such as Jordan Maxwell claims that the original meaning was, jachin "God makes him firm" and boas "eagerness, strenght". And in that perspective, the pillars does remind of an old representation of the male fallic. That in cultures through out the world has been represented with 2 pillars. The egyptians at one point believed the sky rested on two such fallic pillars. The symbol is often used at doors, pointed doors. Now that we may have an idea of what they in reality represent to those that knows, what do you think the door in the middle. The pointy door in the middle of the two male fallics may represent?
http//www.wissenschaftliches-bildarchiv.de/Graphik/D006/001/Miniaturen/D006-001-G001.jpg
http//www.arch.montana.edu/classes/arch322/Images/Islamic/[email protected]
THANKS NOAH! YOU ROCK!
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The following are extracts from http//www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0001/ET25-5336.html (A Hindu Website - now they want to claim owner ship of the cube idol!)
The ancient Vedic scripture Harihareswar Mahatmya mentions that Lord Vishnu's footprints are consecrated in Mecca.
The allusion is to the Vamana incarnation of Lord Vishnu whose blessed feet were consecrated at three holy sites, namely Gaya, Mecca and Shukla Teertha. Worshipping such carved, holy foot impressions is a holy Vedic custom which convert Muslims are inadvertently perpetuating. But in doing this they delude themselves and mislead others that these foot-impressions which are on reverential display in several mosques and tombs around the world are in fact Muhammad's own. There are several snags in this argument. Firstly worshipping a foot -impression amounts to idolatry and should therefore be taboo for a true Muslim.
The famous Black Stone is none other than the ShivLing of Makkeshwar alias Mecca. Lord Shiva is always shown with a crescent Moon on his head and every Shiva temple is supposed to have a sacred water spring representing the Ganges. The Crescent Moon pinnacle of the Kaba and the Zamzam spring (actually Zamza from Ganga) are irrefutable testaments to the Vedic origins of the Kaba.
V interesting, no?
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Saw these, thought they're good pics to share. They don't mean anything really...
http//homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/zamzam-cola-01.jpg
Maybe carbonation and artificial sweeteners make the water holier...
http//usspogy647.com/albums/Pogy-92-to-96/zamzam.jpg
And muslim food is... chicken... hmm...
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peace be upon you natu,
I d/led a file from aidid safar's site that has a lot of interesting information about the origins of the kaaba, i'm not sure if you already put any of it in this thread or not but d/l it here, I like all the new stuff he has added to his site
http//www.aididsafar.com/cube.zip
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The following from the site...
http//www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html
Deities of other cultures known to have been associated with stones include Aphrodite at Paphos, Cybele at Pessinus and later Rome, Astarte at Byblos and the famous Artemis/Diana of Ephesus. The latter's most ancient sculpture was, it is said, carved from a black meteorite.
The earliest form of Cybele's name may have been Kubaba or Kumbaba which suggests Humbaba, who was the guardian of the forest in the Epic of Gilgamesh (the world's oldest recorded myth from Assyria of c.2500BCE and, as scholars reveal more of the text, increasingly the source of most of the major mythological themes of later civilizations. The origin of Kubaba may have been kube or kuba meaning 'cube'.
The earliest reference we have to a goddess worshipped as a cube-shaped stone is from neolithic Anatolia. Alternatively, 'Kubaba' may mean a hollow vessel or cave - which would still be a supreme image of the goddess. The ideograms for Kubaba in the Hittite alphabet are a lozenge or cube, a double-headed axe, a dove, a vase and a door or gate - all images of the goddess in neolithic Europe.
The stone associated with Cybele's worship was, originally, probably at Pessinus but perhaps at Pergamum or on Mount Ida. What is certain is that in 204 BCE it was taken to Rome, where Cybele became 'Mother' to the Romans. The ecstatic rites of her worship were alien to the Roman temperament, but nevertheless animated the streets of their city during the annual procession of the goddess's statue. Alongside Isis, Cybele retained prominence in the heart of the Empire until the fifth century CE; the stone was then lost. Her cult prospered throughout the Empire and it is said that every town or village remained true to the worship of Cybele.
The home of Aphrodite was at Paphos on Cyprus. Various Classical writers describe the rituals which went on her in her honour - these seem to include the practice which is now known by the disdainful term of 'sacred prostitution'. In any event, the tapering black stone which was the object of verneration at this Temple still survives, even if it now placed inside the site musuem.
Also on Cyprus is another highly venerated iIslamic site - the third most important after Mecca and Medina - the Hala Sultan Tekke. This, too, has a black rock, said to have fallen as a meteorite as part of the tritholon over the shrine. The shrine is to a woman - the aunt and foster mother of Prophet Mohammed. Could this, like Mecca, have been originally a goddess shrine? Unfortunately no other clues are forthcoming.
There allegedly is a Black Stone at Petra.
Numerous standing stones in the British Isles are reputed to have fallen from the stars. The now-lost Star Stone marked the meeting of Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire; an also-vanished stone at Grimston, Leicestershire, was also said to have such an origin.
V interesting, no?