Quran through Hadith
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income/sales/corporate taxes
60% 18% 25% Ivory Coast
56% 24% 20% Finland
55% 10% 30% Japan
55% 20% 25% Austria
55% 25% 22% Denmark
52% 25% 20% Sweden
52% 3% 25% Aruba
50% 21% 25% Belgium
50% 17% 23% Israel
50% 22% 19% Slovenia
49% 21% 25% Netherlands
48% 23% 21% Portugal
48% 23% 12% Ireland
47% 21% 25% Spain
46% 24% 20% Iceland
45% 13% 25% China
45% 19% 30% Germany
45% 20% 19% United Kingdom
45% 20% 26% France
45% 15% 28% South Africa
45% 10% 25% South Korea
45% 10% 30% Australia
45% 17% 24% Luxembourg
44% 24% 24% Greece
43% 22% 24% Italy
42% 18% 25% India
42% 10% 30% Papua New Guinea
40% 18% 25% Turkey
40% 18% 30% Uganda
40% 5% 20% Taiwan
40% 19% 27% Chile
40% 18% 30% Senegal
40% 14% 24% Zimbabwe
40% 14% 35% Guinea
40% 7% 14% Switzerland
40% 18% 28% Republic Of The Congo
40% 16% 25% Mauritania
39% 19% 31% Colombia
39% 15% 28% New Zealand
38% 20% 31% Morocco
38% 25% 22% Norway
38% 10% 36% Suriname
37% 0% 21% United States
37% 16% 35% Zambia
37% 15% 32% Namibia
36% 22% 25% Uruguay
35% 17% 29% Pakistan
35% 16% 30% Mexico
35% 15% 30% Ethiopia
35% 12% 30% Philippines
35% 10% 20% Vietnam
35% 7% 20% Thailand
35% 21% 25% Argentina
35% 19% 26% Algeria
35% 19% 33% Cameroon
35% 12% 25% Ecuador
35% 19% 15% Tunisia
35% 18% 30% Gabon
35% 15% 35% Equatorial Guinea
35% 19% 12% Cyprus
35% 18% 35% Malta
34% 16% 34% Venezuela
33% 5% 26% Canada
33% 0% 37% Puerto Rico
32% 23% 19% Poland
32% 17% 32% Mozambique
31% 21% 20% Latvia
30% 10% 22% Indonesia
30% 18% 30% Tanzania
30% 16% 30% Kenya
30% 18% 29% Peru
30% 10% 24% Malaysia
30% 13% 25% Ghana
30% 16% 30% Malawi
30% 18% 35% Chad
30% 18% 30% Rwanda
30% 16% 20% Jordan
30% 15% 30% Nicaragua
30% 13% 30% El Salvador
30% 25% 18% Croatia
30% 15% 25% Jamaica
30% 15% 27% Gambia
30% 15% 25% Lesotho
28% 17% 5% Barbados
27% 17% 34% Brazil
27% 15% 27% Samoa
25% 15% 32% Bangladesh
25% 14% 22% Egypt
25% 5% 25% Myanmar
25% 14% 25% Angola
25% 18% 28% Dominican Republic
25% 15% 25% Honduras
25% 18% 20% Azerbaijan
25% 10% 20% Laos
25% 20% 21% Slovakia
25% 11% 17% Lebanon
25% 9% 30% Costa Rica
25% 7% 25% Panama
25% 12% 22% Botswana
25% 12% 30% Trinidad And Tobago
24% 7% 30% Nigeria
24% 8% 24% Sri Lanka
23% 21% 19% Czech Republic
23% 20% 15% Albania
22% 0% 28% Syria
22% 7% 17% Singapore
22% 20% 18% Armenia
22% 7% 12% Liechtenstein
20% 10% 20% Afghanistan
20% 20% 20% Madagascar
20% 10% 20% Cambodia
20% 18% 15% Georgia
20% 21% 15% Lithuania
20% 20% 20% Estonia
20% 9% 20% Fiji
20% 20% 0% Isle Of Man
18% 20% 18% Ukraine
15% 17% 35% Sudan
15% 0% 35% Iraq
15% 5% 20% Yemen
15% 27% 9% Hungary
15% 15% 30% Sierra Leone
15% 0% 16% Hong Kong
15% 15% 15% Mauritius
15% 15% 33% Seychelles
13% 20% 20% Russia
13% 13% 25% Bolivia
13% 18% 0% Tajikistan
13% 20% 18% Belarus
12% 15% 7% Uzbekistan
12% 20% 12% Moldova
12% 0% 12% Macau
10% 19% 16% Romania
10% 12% 20% Kazakhstan
10% 20% 15% Serbia
10% 0% 20% Libya
10% 20% 10% Bulgaria
10% 10% 25% Mongolia
10% 17% 10% Bosnia And Herzegovina
9% 21% 9% Montenegro
7% 12% 25% Guatemala
0% 15% 20% Saudi Arabia
0% 5% 0% United Arab Emirates
0% 5% 15% Oman
0% 0% 15% Kuwait
0% 0% 10% Qatar
0% 5% 0% Bahrain
0% 0% 18% Brunei
0% 12% 0% Bahamas
0% 0% 0% Cayman Islands
0% 0% 0% BermudaInteresting figures.
For example Finland and Swedon are developed countries with higher tax rates while same time developing countries like Uganda and Papua have also appear in the list with relative higher tax rates. Corruption could be one reason.Quran does not provide detailed guidance on taxation, Islamic principles emphasize the importance of fairness, social justice, and the collective welfare of society in shaping taxation policies. Additionally, it is recommended that the government uses Zakat (a form of Islamic charity) as an additional tool to support those in need and promote social justice.
From Hadith point of views on Taxation
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said "The wealth of a Muslim is not lawful except by his consent." (Sunan Ibn Majah) This hadith emphasizes the importance of consent and voluntary participation in taxation, indicating that taxes should not be imposed unfairly or without the consent of those being taxed.The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said "The upper hand is better than the lower hand." (Sahih Bukhari) This hadith highlights the importance of those who are financially capable providing support to those who are less fortunate. It implies that those who have more wealth, including through taxation, should use it to benefit society and uphold social justice.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said "The ruler is a shield, behind whom the people fight and protect themselves." (Sahih Muslim) This hadith emphasizes the responsibility of rulers and governments to protect and serve the people. It implies that taxation can be used to fund the necessary functions of government, including providing for the welfare of society and ensuring its well-being.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said "The one who strives in the cause of Allah with his wealth and his self, and the one who fasts and gives in charity and the one who prays and gives in charity, all of them have their own distinctive reward." (Sahih Bukhari) This hadith highlights the importance of charitable giving, including through taxation, as a means of seeking reward from Allah and benefiting society.
When reviewing Hadiths on taxation, it is important to keep in mind that they should not contradict the teachings of the Quran. The Quran is the primary source of Islamic teachings, and all Hadiths must be evaluated in light of the Quranic principles.
To evaluate Hadiths related to taxation, one should look for consistency with Quranic teachings on social justice, equality, and the rights and responsibilities of both the individual and the state. For example, the Quran emphasizes the importance of helping the poor and needy through charity and zakat, while also encouraging responsible economic behavior and discouraging exploitation and corruption.
If a Hadith supports these Quranic principles and promotes a fair and just system of taxation that benefits society as a whole, it can be considered authentic and valid. However, if a Hadith contradicts these principles or promotes an unjust system of taxation that benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poor, it should be rejected as inconsistent with Islamic teachings.
Ultimately, it is important to approach the review of Hadiths on taxation with a critical and balanced perspective, seeking guidance from qualified Islamic scholars and taking into account the broader context and historical circumstances in which they were recorded.
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peace, in Qur'an zakat/alms (30) occurrences meaning is clear and opposite of riba/usury
3039 وما and what اتىتم gives you من from ربا usury لىربو to increase فى in امول wealth الناس the people فلا so not ىربو it increase ye عند near الله the God وما and what اتىتم gives you من of زكوه alms ترىدون thou desiring وجه face (countenance) الله the God فاولىك so those هم themselves المضعفون those manifold (multiplied) being
7320 ... واقىموا and upholds ye of الصلوه the connection (player) واتوا and gives ye of الزكوه the alms واقرضوا and loans ye of الله the God قرضا loan of حسنا best of وما and what تقدموا thou set forth ye of لانفسكم for souls yours من of خىر good تجدوه thou find ye it عند near الله the God هو it خىرا best of واعظم and greatest اجرا payment of واستغفروا and asks forgiveness ye of الله the God ان indeed الله the God غفور forgiver رحىم merciful
they instituted yearly wealth tax 1/40 (2.5%) to support the state called it "zakat"
https//sunnah.com/bulugh/4/8
إِذَا when كَانَتْ there is لَكَ for you مِائَتَا hundred dual (200) دِرْهَمٍ dirhams وَحَالand passed عَلَيْهَا upon them اَلْحَوْلُ the year (al-hawl) فَفِيهَا then خَمْسَةُ five (5) دَرَاهِمَ dirhamshttps//sunnah.com/ahmad1265
قَالَ he said لَيْسَ is not فِي in مَالٍ wealth زَكَاةٌ zakat حَتَّى until يَحُولَ passes عَلَيْهِ over it الْحَوْلُ the year (al-hawl)https//sunnah.com/tirmidhi679
إِنَّا we قَدْ have أَخَذْنَا taken زَكَاةَ zakat الْعَبَّاسِ al-Abbas عَامَ year ('aama) الأَوَّلِ the prior لِلْعَامِ for the year (l-il-'aami)https//sunnah.com/urn/505970
وَيُؤْخَذُ and taken زَكَاتُهُ zakat لِمَا for what مَضَى has passed مِنَ from السِّنِينَ the years (as-sineena)house of Saud wealth ~1.4 trillion 1/40 = 35 billion "zakat" due each year
income/sales/corporate taxes
Salam..
Yes.. This is the famous and only verse in entire Quran all hadith followers brought in all. My previous debate in many media in support of Giving Zakath but they are unable to bring within Quran what Zakath is but they are happy to say it is OBLIGATORY CHARITY muslim alone and not Sadaqa/optional charity or just charity for anyone regardless of faith. .. This is but sheer invention...
Real meaning of the verse 3039 is well connected to verse 3038.. Very manifest those who give sadaqa desiring the countenance (wajah) Allah is in fact Better and of Purity
3038 "So give the relative his haq/right(sadaqa..refer 960), as well as the needy and the traveler. That is better (Khair) for those who DESIRING the COUNTENANCE of ALLAH , and it is they who will be the successful."
3039 "And whatever you give for usury to increase within the wealth of people will not increase with Allah. But what you give for/of purity (zaka) , DESIRING the COUNTENANCE of ALLAH - those are the multipliers.
Below verse and all Sadaqa verses clarifies what exactly sadaqa is and to whom we should give them... .sadaqa is something could be done self or done by collecting from people...
960 "Sadaqa / Charity are only for the poor and for the needy and for those employed to collect and for bringing hearts together and for freeing captives and for those in debt and for the cause of Allah and for the traveler - an obligation by Allah. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.
Even verse 2177 is clear to whome one should SPEND his earned (Maal) if excess..
It is so laughable when you said desperately that Usury is opposite of Zakath... Just pointing at verse 3039...
So brother is Sadaqa opposite of usury in verse 2279 as under... Just don't invent just to make your view look highlighted... But speak the truth so anyone would accept...2279 "Allah destroys Usury and gives increase for charities (Sadaqa) . And Allah does not like every sinning disbeliever.
So as stated clearly above, it very clear God instructs to SPEND that is to say EXCESS on many a group as SADAQA... so from where this ZAKATH came into picture... Bring a single verse which says give Zakath to such and such people.. Or spend Zakath etc... No way.. Nothing.. Quran doesn't even give a slightest of hint that Zakath means kind of Charity... Not at all... Throughout Quran Quran word Zaka is absolutely related to purity / purify / purification...
But Zakath is completly obligatory charity in entire hadith...If Allah can clarify in many verses to whome sadaqa to be given why not Allah clarified to whome Zakath to be given while Zakath apear more times in Quran than Sadaqa.. Yes.. Coz ZAKAT is not at all obligatory Charity... not at all charity..
And your second verse connected with salat and Zakath needless to say and there are many a verses in Quran combining Salat and Zakath... That's integrity and purity / purificatuon.. ie establish integrity and bringforth purification...Yes.. People spend your money on others give as much as you love while looking after the self necessity... But they all Sadaqa... Okayvleave hadith flowers.. Can any Believe who follows Quran alone tell whatvis ZAKATH and to whome it should be given if Sakath and Sadaqa are both Charity?
Tax rate.. Lol.. Well numerical subject is good one but not for this topic.. . Why not talk within Quran rather than these hard attempts. , follow Quran or hadith .it won't make difference for me. But Quran has reply for all violations agaisnt the Truth of Quran.. .
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It is so laughable when you said desperately that Usury is opposite of Zakath... Just pointing at verse 3039...
So brother is Sadaqa opposite of usury in verse 2279 as under... Just don't invent just to make your view look highlighted... But speak the truth so anyone would accept...Tax rate.. Lol..
salam alayka!
you don't believe in paying taxes to support the state?
what's the difference?
5718 ان indeed المصدقىن al-muşşaddiqīna/those charitable (masculine pl.) والمصدقت al-muşşaddiqāti/and those charitable (feminine pl.) واقرضوا and loans they of الله the God قرضا loan of حسنا best of ىضعفلهم multiplied for them ولهم and for them اجر payment كرىم noble7320 ... واتوا and gives ye of الزكوه az-zakāata/the alms واقرضوا and loans ye of الله the God قرضا loan of حسنا best of وما and what تقدموا thou set forth ye of لانفسكم for souls yours من of خىر good تجدوه thou find ye it عند near الله the God هو it خىرا best of واعظم and greatest اجرا payment of واستغفروا and asks forgiveness ye of الله the God ان indeed الله the God غفور forgiver رحىم merciful
صَدَقَةٍ (sadaqatin) from root "صَدَقَ" (sadaqa), "to give in charity," "to be truthful," or "to be sincere."
الزَّكَاةَ (al-zakata) from root "زَكَى" (zaka), "to purify," "to cleanse," or "to grow."2.5% annual tax established at the time (they called it zakat) on wealth to support the system and share wealth with those in need; way to purify wealth, express gratitude, promote social welfare, economic justice, and community solidarity.
the root word "زَكَى" (zaka), from which "الزَّكَاةَ" (al-zakata) is derived, has been found in some pre-Islamic poetry refers to the process of purifying water, typically by drawing it from a well or spring. It was also used metaphorically to describe the purification or refinement of something, such as purifying gold or silver.
example, in the Mu'allaqat poems by Imru' al-Qays, he says
"وَإِذَا اسْتَبَدَّ الْمَاءُ فَوْقَ الصَّخْرِ زَكَى"
"and when the water gushes forth above the rocks, it becomes pure."while paying taxes with silver etc., what's the difference?
• فِضَّةٌ (fidhdhah) "silver" root fā ḍād ḍād (ف ض ض)
314 934 4333 7615 7616 7621
• بِوَرِقِكُمْ (biwariqikum) 1819 وَرِقِ (warqi) from root "و ر ق" (w-r-q), generally refers to leafwhile paying taxes annually what's the difference?
• سَنَةٍ (sanah or sanatin) - "year" from root س ن و (s-n-w)
• سِنِينَ (sinīna) - years plural form of "سَنَة" (sanah)
why 4615 it says forty sanatan NOT forty sinīna?1247 قال said تزرعون thou planting سبع seven سنىن years (lunar or solar?)
does it mean plant for 7 years duration?
does it mean plant for 7 years in lunar?
does it mean 7th year season is off 2.5 months?
(7 lunar years) - (7 solar years)/months = -2.50• عَامٍ (aam or aamin) - "year" from root word ع م و (a-m-w)
plural form is "أَعْوَامٍ" (a'wamin), dual عَامَيْنِ (aamayni) 3114
1249 ثم furthermore ىاتى bringeth من from بعد after ذلك such عام year (lunar or solar?)
3114 وفصله and separation (breastfeeding) his فى in عامىن year two (lunar or solar?) -
Brother NDP.. if your intention is to make up things out of Quran verses instead of reaching its true meaning then how can God assist you...
There is No physical Loan Allah speaks in the verses where Loan is mentioned... No one can give loan to Allah in world material and He is of no need of such...
Carefully note below verse to grasp what Allah says... All the good actions of believers are mateporically a Lending to Allah for which Reward is waiting from Allah in manifolds and it is a promise from God...512 "And Allah had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish INTEGRITY (salah) and bring forth PURIFICATION (zakah) and believe in My Messengers and Support them and lend Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way."
Isn't the above verse manifest? Allah doesn't talk about money or wealth when He says goodly loan to Allah .. Just try to perceive with reality...
So don't try to manipulate verses like you brought to substantiate. .
True meaning of the below verse is...5718 "Indeed, the men who truthful / sincere and the women who truthful / sincere and have lent Allah a goodly loan, will be multiplied for them, and they will have a noble reward.
There is no difference throughout the Quran that lending is not for people the wealth but lending to Allah believer's good actions collectively.. So in return Allah ensure a manifold reward in the hereafter..
Allah doesn't mind what a ruler or king or government does to gain wealth to run the kingdom... He is not giving tax rate for that... How cheap that understanding is.. Allah didn't send the Quran for Government purposes but for the sake of believers and for their right and guidance and for their wisdom etc.
Even for those who are in power (believers) Allah gives wonderful example as under..
2241 " those who, if We give them authority in the land, establish INTEGRITY (salah) and bringforth (purity) zakah and Enjoin what is appropriate / right (Maruf) and refrain /cease /desist what is misappriate / terrible /wrong. And to Allah belongs the outcome of matters."
So.. Allah doesn't say by the above verse when they were given authority make people Pray (Salah) and tax (zaka) them.. What nonsense? All rulers are ever ready to tax us fair or unfair.. What is so good here to say about believers who are given authority in the land to tax people. ... But Allah meant what the real verse speaks of as I elaborated above.. When true believers are entrusted power their solo effort is establish good governance that's to say keep the INTEGRITY in the government first and be role model to people thus they bringforth purification in their governement... And their aim is to Enjoin always what is appropriate to people and always desist what is misappriate to people.. That's what when the authority is vested in the hands of believers can expect.. But not compel. People to Pray and pay tax. How can one enjoin good and desist evil by compelling people to pray and pay tax... Nonsensical at its best..
So approach true meaning . And that is possible only within Quran and not from Hadiths and its practices or the language of Hadith to understand Quran.
But your life.. Do what you want.. And be responsible for your decision and action... Am I not free from your actions?Thank you.. Have a good journey with Hadith. .
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512 and bring forth PURIFICATION (zakah)
what does that mean bring forth example?
did you cross-reference all 30 occurrences?7320 واتوا and give ye of الزكوه the purification? (how?)
42 واتوا and give ye of الىتمى the orphans امولهم wealth (inheritance) theirs2177... واتى and give المال the wealth
... واتى and give الزكوه the purification?5718 "Indeed, the men who truthful / sincere and the women who truthful / sincere and have lent Allah a goodly loan, will be multiplied for them, and they will have a noble reward.
3335 ... والصدقىن and the sincere (m) والصدقت and the sincere (f) ...
والمتصدقىن and those charitable (m) والمتصدقت and those charitable (f)Thank you.. Have a good journey with Hadith. .
you saying those 100's of hadith about wealth tax and charity are fake?
you want to answer questions posted to you above or why open thread?
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Based on my research the concept of Zakat, which is the obligatory charity given by Muslims, had a broader social and economic significance beyond mere wealth distribution.
Zakat was not just a form of charity, but rather a means of establishing a just socio-economic system in society and the purpose of Zakat was to create a welfare state where wealth is evenly distributed, poverty is eradicated, and social justice is upheld. Hence Zakat was intended to be used for the welfare and well-being of the entire community, and not just for the benefit of individuals.
Zakat should be collected and distributed by the state, rather than being left to the discretion of individuals or voluntary organizations. The Quranic injunctions related to Zakat were meant to provide a comprehensive framework for the economic system of an Islamic society, and that the state should play a central role in ensuring that the wealth of the society is properly utilized for the welfare of all its members.
Source
https//www.parwez.tv/ejaz/The-Quranic-System-of-Sustenance-by-G-A-Parwez-Tolue-Islam-Trust.pdf -
what does that mean bring forth example?
did you cross-reference all 30 occurrences?7320 واتوا and give ye of الزكوه the purification? (how?)
42 واتوا and give ye of الىتمى the orphans امولهم wealth (inheritance) theirs2177... واتى and give المال the wealth
... واتى and give الزكوه the purification?3335 ... والصدقىن and the sincere (m) والصدقت and the sincere (f) ...
والمتصدقىن and those charitable (m) والمتصدقت and those charitable (f)you saying those 100's of hadith about wealth tax and charity are fake?
you want to answer questions posted to you above or why open thread?
Salam again...
Well... Yes.. I am absolutely fine with debating with anyone who speaks logic and who would assist me finding truth in case I have chosen wrong option... So stick with Quran and reply so my journey would be easy... Don't deviate from Quran so I am not here to reply from Hadith...
Well.. I have clearly explained WA'ATHU its root... Just don't take it as GIVE in the sense from your side to other party.. But it has within Quran many meaning other than Give.. It has meaning of come with, bringforth, come, produce etc. You can refer all quran verses relevant to it.. Since you have taken Zakath as obligatory charity (a material) from rich to poor then what else you can take other than give from one side to other.. First correct your notion and find out the meaning of the particular word usage within Quran..
Even I think you don't get the exact meaning of Give in English.. It is not always A to B but B to A also..I have cross referenced all.. I don't leave space for error usually before I debate when I am on the right track from Quran...
Don't just take verse for granted when in arabic MeeM is used before a word.. For example Aminu to Mumin... Similarly verse 3335 ... A perfect verse... Pls everyone read the verse in arabic.. Even Arabs pls check... Here Sadiqeen is mentioned and Muthasaddiqeen also mentioned... Yes... Sadiqqeen here is without any doubt (Men who are truthful / Sincere) meanwhile MuThasaddiqeen here is undoubtedly (Men who are charitable /Generous).. But you NDP has either intentionally claiming comparing the MuThasaddiqeen of verse 3335 with verse 5718 which is not Charitable and the word used in 5718 is Musaddiqeen and not MuThasaddiqeen ...
Excellent example is Yousuf brothers in verse1288 " So when they entered upon Joseph, they said, "O 'Azeez, adversity has touched us and our family, and we have come with goods poor in quality, but give us full measure and be charitable to us. Indeed, Allah rewards the charitable. (MuThasaddiqeen) "
As I stated in the above verse any general knowledge person can understand that here the word is in fact not TRUTHFUL or SINCERE but CHARITABLE... if anyone apply truthful it won't give sense...
So don't waste time in useless effort with Zakath through hadith reference... Why not say that you follow hadith rather than play cat and mouse by saying just taking language reference but not following... Be honest like Fusion he says he follows Hadith..
Well you say those 100s of hadith on Zakath tax are fake.. Of course fake.. It's not Quran... It is invention by those who came to power after prophets era manipulating verses to their own benefit by taking people money unfairly for their own benefit and corruption but they would have made it look fair seeming.. Yes we collect and give to poor people(similarly modern day leaders start massive projects for the sake of people but they earn considerably)... Allah is clear about word Zakath. .it has no connection at all with Charity... If it is in dictionary of Arabic then it has to do with those corrupt rulers since they used this Zakath as Charity so impulsively it has become part of language... But not QURAN... No one can change the words of God and its true meaning... Yes.. You can take what you want but truth remains high and handsome..
Even how much you debate you will never able to prove Zakath is obligatory charity coz God's truth cannot be overwhelmed...
Bro.. Give Sadaqa... If you have friends and community then do it in unity as a concerted effort... All works. Sadaqa 960 is clear... Quran states.. They ask what to spend. . God replies excess... All these sadaqa... No Zakath... Yes... Keep doing with good intent sadaqa seeking Countenance of Allah thus bring forth Zakath (purity) to yourself.Bring your next negative point. I am ready to reply... When I open a topic I never run away.. Coz.. Only intention while open a topic is Either I know truth is gonna shine or I am gonna learn truth... So try to dump truth but you can't ..
Thank you ..
Note... One would think.. After all Sadaqa or Zakath they all spend from their wealth.. So what's big deal... Yes God knows benefit for what they spend but we can't belie God's verses... We can't make statements which is not true... For example my ancestors used to give charity called Zakath fitr on the conventional Muslim Eid. They distribute loads of rice.. Well charity... No issues... But when I asked as young boy their reply was prophet said whoever gives on this day Zakath fitr.. Bla bla... So they take Allah and Messenger for their action... No one is gonna survive by saying what Allah and Messenger didn't say.. Be it good statement or bad... If Allah and messenger didn't say so and if still one say that Allah said or prophet said then it is a blasphemy.. Huge one... Regardless their action... Waste of effort... How brave we should be to say Allah said while in fact Allah didn't say... Do we ever know anything away from Quran to claim that Allah said to say freely "Allah said"...we can always say Allah said only from Quran.. How disgusting you will feel when one says you said this and that while if fact you didn't say so... If it is disgusting to you then is it pleasant to Allah while you say what He didn't say..
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Based on my research the concept of Zakat, which is the obligatory charity given by Muslims, had a broader social and economic significance beyond mere wealth distribution.
Zakat was not just a form of charity, but rather a means of establishing a just socio-economic system in society and the purpose of Zakat was to create a welfare state where wealth is evenly distributed, poverty is eradicated, and social justice is upheld. Hence Zakat was intended to be used for the welfare and well-being of the entire community, and not just for the benefit of individuals.
Zakat should be collected and distributed by the state, rather than being left to the discretion of individuals or voluntary organizations. The Quranic injunctions related to Zakat were meant to provide a comprehensive framework for the economic system of an Islamic society, and that the state should play a central role in ensuring that the wealth of the society is properly utilized for the welfare of all its members.
Source
https//www.parwez.tv/ejaz/The-Quranic-System-of-Sustenance-by-G-A-Parwez-Tolue-Islam-Trust.pdfSalam...
What research you talking about bro... Research of Hadith? Or research of Quran?
I am not gonna say much about what you say coz what you say is mere yiur words not the words Quran... Or do you want us to follow Hadith so we may understand the meaning of Zakath... So.. In that case before you talk about Zakath just pls talk about accepting Hadith parallel to Quran... So once the matter of following hadith is justified then you can talk about Zakath... Coz Whatever you say is based on Hadith... But we are people who follow Quran alone that's to say loterally Muslims who accepts God's book alone for the success of here after.. It doesn't mean we are people who don't think of nature and take guidance from it.. Of course we do... Quran itself propel is to reflect on the creation of God which is nature .. Guidance through literal written book plus God's nature/creation...
So.. Bro.. What research? So you parroting hadiths and say researched and encourage people to follow indirectly... Do you have any authority from Allah to encourage people to follow Hadith..? If you have bring a verse from Quran so that's why you follow hadith so you encourage...
So lovely brother, bring a verse from Quran that recommends to follow Hadith so we will also follow.. So then we can talk about Zakath later....isn't that a fair call dude..?You have researched what? Lol..
So 960 Sadaqa can't upheld that social comprehensive framework? Why deviate? What makes you deviate..?
960 Zakah expenditures are only for the poor and for the needy and for those employed to collect and for bringing hearts together and for freeing captives and for those in debt and for the cause of Allah and for the traveler - an obligation by Allah. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.
See how they have translated the verse 960... How come they replace the word Sadaqa written in black and white into Zakath expenditure...? One thing is for sure they realized this verse talks about extensive distribution of wealth.. So they inserted Zakath to the word sadaqa... So God is clear Sadaqa is mere a charity and an extensive charity if done in an extensive manner collecting from people.. Otherwise why to lay for those who collect or work for Sadaqa matters.. Use wits...
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In Islam, the Quran is considered the primary source of guidance and the final authority on religious matters. It contains the fundamental principles and values of Islam, and Muslims believe it to be the word of Allah (God) as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) through the Angel Gabriel.
The Hadith, on the other hand, refers to the recorded sayings, actions, and approvals of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his companions. Muslims consider the Hadith to be a secondary source of guidance, as it provides specific examples and explanations of how to apply the principles outlined in the Quran.
While the Quran does not explicitly mention the Hadith as a source of guidance, it does instruct believers to follow the Prophet's example and obey his commands (Quran 3321). Therefore, the Hadith is considered an important tool for understanding and implementing the teachings of the Quran.
In regards to Zakath, the Quran specifically mentions this concept and outlines its various beneficiaries. However, the Hadith provides further details and clarification on the exact calculation and distribution of Zakath. Therefore, a thorough understanding of Zakath requires an understanding of the Hadith.
In conclusion, while there are different schools of thought within Islam regarding the role of Hadith in Islamic teachings, it is generally recognized as a valuable tool for interpreting the Quran and understanding the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Additionally, the Hadith provides further details and clarification on specific religious practices, such as Zakath. Muslims are encouraged to seek knowledge and conduct research to deepen their understanding of Islam, and approach religious discussions with an open mind and a willingness to engage in constructive dialogue.
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the word used in 5718 is Musaddiqeen and not MuThasaddiqeen
fasalam laka!
960 الصدقت Aş-Şadaqātu/the charity
5718 والمصدقت Wa Al-Muşşaddiqāti/and those charitable (f) (with meem م)
3335 والمتصدقت Wa Al-Mutaşaddiqāti/and those "that are" charitable (f) (with meem م ta ت)2245 من who ذا bearer الذى the one ىقرض loaned الله the God قرضا loan of حسنا best of
فىضعفه so multiplied it له to him اضعفا multiples of كثىره much its
والله and the God ىقبض withholdeth وىبسط and grants abundance
والىه and towards him ترجعون thou returningsee context chapter 57 on spending, giving, and stinginess
5710 وما and what لكم for you الا that not تنفقوا spend ye of فى in سبىل pathway الله the God ...
5711 من who ذا bearer الذى the one ىقرض loaned الله the God قرضا loan of حسنا best of
فىضعفه so multiplied it له to him وله and to him اجر payment كرىم noble5718 ان indeed المصدقىن those charitable (m) والمصدقت and those charitable (f)
واقرضوا and loans they of الله the God قرضا loan of حسنا best of
ىضعفلهم multiplied for them ولهم and for them اجر payment كرىم noble5724 الذىن the ones ىبخلون stingy وىامرون and directing الناس the people بالبخل in the stinginess
Well you say those 100s of hadith on Zakath tax are fake.. Of course fake.. It's not Quran
they decided to call it "zakat" instead of "wealth tax" whatever doesn't mean it's fake.
do you think society can run without tax system or government e.g., as an anarchy?
I am ready to reply... When I open a topic I never run away
then don't write so much take your time answer prior questions
• فِضَّةٌ (fidhdhah) "silver" root fā ḍād ḍād (ف ض ض)
314 934 4333 7615 7616 7621
• بِوَرِقِكُمْ (biwariqikum) 1819 وَرِقِ (warqi) from root "و ر ق" (w-r-q)
silver or leaf? what's the difference two words used above?what's the difference in words used for year/s?
• سَنَةٍ (sanah or sanatin) - "year" from root س ن و (s-n-w)
• سِنِينَ (sinīna) - years plural form of "سَنَة" (sanah)
why 4615 it says forty sanatan NOT forty sinīna?1247 قال said تزرعون thou planting سبع seven سنىن years (lunar or solar?)
does it mean plant for 7 years duration?
does it mean 7th year season is off 2.5 months?
(7 lunar years) - (7 solar years)/months = -2.50• عَامٍ (aam or aamin) - "year" from root word ع م و (a-m-w)
plural form is "أَعْوَامٍ" (a'wamin), dual عَامَيْنِ (aamayni) 3114
1249 ثم furthermore ىاتى bringeth من from بعد after ذلك such عام year (lunar or solar?)
3114 وفصله and separation (breastfeeding) his فى in عامىن year two (lunar or solar?) -
peace,
While the Quran does not explicitly mention the Hadith as a source of guidance, it does instruct believers to follow the Prophet's example and obey his commands (Quran 3321).
Where in 3321 does it say that?
Indeed, in the messenger of God a good example has been set for you for he who seeks God and the Last Day and thinks constantly about God.
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fasalam laka!
960 الصدقت Aş-Şadaqātu/the charity
5718 والمصدقت Wa Al-Muşşaddiqāti/and those charitable (f) (with meem م)
3335 والمتصدقت Wa Al-Mutaşaddiqāti/and those "that are" charitable (f) (with meem م ta ت)2245 من who ذا bearer الذى the one ىقرض loaned الله the God قرضا loan of حسنا best of
فىضعفه so multiplied it له to him اضعفا multiples of كثىره much its
والله and the God ىقبض withholdeth وىبسط and grants abundance
والىه and towards him ترجعون thou returningsee context chapter 57 on spending, giving, and stinginess
5710 وما and what لكم for you الا that not تنفقوا spend ye of فى in سبىل pathway الله the God ...
5711 من who ذا bearer الذى the one ىقرض loaned الله the God قرضا loan of حسنا best of
فىضعفه so multiplied it له to him وله and to him اجر payment كرىم noble5718 ان indeed المصدقىن those charitable (m) والمصدقت and those charitable (f)
واقرضوا and loans they of الله the God قرضا loan of حسنا best of
ىضعفلهم multiplied for them ولهم and for them اجر payment كرىم noble5724 الذىن the ones ىبخلون stingy وىامرون and directing الناس the people بالبخل in the stinginess
they decided to call it "zakat" instead of "wealth tax" whatever doesn't mean it's fake.
do you think society can run without tax system or government e.g., as an anarchy?
then don't write so much take your time answer prior questions
• فِضَّةٌ (fidhdhah) "silver" root fā ḍād ḍād (ف ض ض)
314 934 4333 7615 7616 7621
• بِوَرِقِكُمْ (biwariqikum) 1819 وَرِقِ (warqi) from root "و ر ق" (w-r-q)
silver or leaf? what's the difference two words used above?what's the difference in words used for year/s?
• سَنَةٍ (sanah or sanatin) - "year" from root س ن و (s-n-w)
• سِنِينَ (sinīna) - years plural form of "سَنَة" (sanah)
why 4615 it says forty sanatan NOT forty sinīna?1247 قال said تزرعون thou planting سبع seven سنىن years (lunar or solar?)
does it mean plant for 7 years duration?
does it mean 7th year season is off 2.5 months?
(7 lunar years) - (7 solar years)/months = -2.50• عَامٍ (aam or aamin) - "year" from root word ع م و (a-m-w)
plural form is "أَعْوَامٍ" (a'wamin), dual عَامَيْنِ (aamayni) 3114
1249 ثم furthermore ىاتى bringeth من from بعد after ذلك such عام year (lunar or solar?)
3114 وفصله and separation (breastfeeding) his فى in عامىن year two (lunar or solar?)You are just repeating.. You don't read what I wrote and you raise again... Well no worries.. Let at least people read..
Wow... Why you say what I didn't say... Did I say a government can run without tax... Buy Allah has not mentioned tax directly or indirectly... That's your imagination...
By the way tax is not the best option for a government brother... If you think so then yiur weakness in economy is exposed... If tax is mandatory in a government then they don't need people money, they can print as much as they want... After all by taxing what they get is money... So why not print them as government.. But everybody knows the consequences of printing mkney at will.... In case if you don't.. Just ask anyone.. Lol... Taxing is not the solution bro... But be self sufficient.. Yani.. Produce enough and more.. Production of a nation makes a country viable and not by taking its own people... No nation ever can flourish by taxing own people.. Or even outsiders... Just study some economy when you have time... Otherwise go and live in Zimbabwe.. Hmm why not come and live my bankrupted country... Our government love to print lot of money and love to tax on all things but never bothered to produce anything.. . They love to import.. But no dollars...
Had Allah encouraged tax on persons and whatever then it means, Allah has encouraged people not to produce anything but be satisfied with tax... Tax is trick of a failing government... not successful one.. But let the tax.. But people of a nation will never be happy with tax... Coz it is burden on them instead government taking the burden it passa the burden on people... Anyway.. I am not bothered about world system.. I only talk about God's system..
I feel. Pity for you... Takr care.. -
Thank you for your response. I appreciate your passion for discussing topics related to God's system. However, I would like to remind you that it's important to discuss these topics with respect for each other's views.
In our discussion, I didn't mean to misinterpret your views or intentions. I apologize if my words came across that way. I only wanted to clarify my understanding of the topic at hand.
Regarding the topic of tax, I understand your perspective that taxing can be a burden on people, and that a successful government should focus on being self-sufficient by producing enough and more. However, I would like to point out that taxation is necessary for any government to provide essential services and infrastructure to its citizens.
In any case, I believe we can continue this conversation in a respectful manner, and I hope we can learn from each other's perspectives.
Thank you, and take care.
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peace,
Where in 3321 does it say that?
Indeed, in the messenger of God a good example has been set for you for he who seeks God and the Last Day and thinks constantly about God.
Thank you for your comment. You are correct. In Quran 3321, it is stated that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has set a good example for believers, and those who seek God and the Last Day should think constantly about God. While the term 'Hadith' may not be explicitly mentioned in this verse, the understanding among scholars is that the Hadith, which refers to the sayings, actions, and approvals of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), is considered a source of guidance for Muslims based on the command in this verse to follow the Prophet's example. This is why many Muslims consider the Hadith as an important source of guidance alongside the Quran.
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Thank you for your response. I appreciate your passion for discussing topics related to God's system. However, I would like to remind you that it's important to discuss these topics with respect for each other's views.
In our discussion, I didn't mean to misinterpret your views or intentions. I apologize if my words came across that way. I only wanted to clarify my understanding of the topic at hand.
Regarding the topic of tax, I understand your perspective that taxing can be a burden on people, and that a successful government should focus on being self-sufficient by producing enough and more. However, I would like to point out that taxation is necessary for any government to provide essential services and infrastructure to its citizens.
In any case, I believe we can continue this conversation in a respectful manner, and I hope we can learn from each other's perspectives.
Thank you, and take care.
Pls No need your appreciation and thanks. I reiterate on that...
Don't give a hint to people that I am using kind harsh words do you are hurt so asking me to keep the debate in respectful manner showing respect to each other... Well don't try to win credit.. Firat of all I didnt even address you when I talked about Tax...Okay.. Since you also talked about Zakath = Tax and Sadaqa is like just charity. .let me ask a question to you and anyone.. What is the meaning of verses when Salah and Zakath comes together.. Does it mean establish prayers and pay government tax or you want manipulate to escape from shame.. For example pls translate the below verse..
"And He has made me (Isa) blessed wherever I am and has enjoined me with salah and zakah as long as I remain alive"
Translate pls. .i know people are good at twisting verses.. Pls do for this as well... Or let me do your job... Wait..
And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and government TAX as long as I remain alive
Okay.. Take all verses where salah and ZAKAT and apply Tax in its real sense and perceive how blinded you guys are... Why not reflect before speak... Or these verses are are different kind of tax or not tax just ZAKAT? rotfl
So potty these hadith followers...
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While the Quran does not explicitly mention the Hadith as a source of guidance, it does instruct believers to follow the Prophet's example and obey his commands (Quran 3321). Therefore, the Hadith is considered an important tool for understanding and implementing the teachings of the Quran.
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You simply don't know what you speak with Quran verses.. How fragile... Just at least look at word by word... But no... With blindfold on your eyes just uttering what comes to mind...
3321 is not at all mentioned Prophet or Mohamed... For people of that era while the message of God is being revealed there is no Quran...Messenger itself Quran coz Quran comes through his mouth.. In other times as he rightly claimed I am just a normal human being like you. So the verse 3321
"There has certainly been for you in Messenger of Allah an excellent lessons/examples for anyone whose hopes is in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah often."
In fact in the messages (Risala) of God that is to say in Quran loads of lessons for whom? For those whose expectations in Allah and Last day and who remembers Allah very often... In fact those who read Quran understands that how many lessons and reminders in it and that impulsively makes that person remember God ... Unfortunately as all hadith followers you all taking the Messenger as separate idol... Yes.. Mohamed is separate and prophet is separate but NOT MESSENGER.. he was a messenger coz he was placed Message... Otherwise he was just Mohamed.. Very very unfortunate you guys knowledge..
Let me ask differently... If Person Mohamed has excellent examples to follow, then from where he developed those excellent examples? Which book taught him those excellent examples.? He and his companions were near the pit of hell before QURAN was revealed to them.. So how Mohamed set excellent examples? Coz you don't find excellent excellent examples in Quran about Mohamed so you prefer hadith about his excellent examples.. But how did he manage to cultivate in the first place excellent traits if not from Quran?Do you have human brain or Brian of cow O people of Hadith... Is what Allah says true and perfectly matched to you people? As stated.. They are not reflecting and like cattles and worse than cattles..
Or else.. For instance.. 604 it states In Ibrahim and his people excellent examples /lessons... For the sake of argument let me keep away Ibrahim.. And let me ask what excellent examples God is talking about from the people of Ibrahim... Just reflect... When God says something in a Quran verse just use your wits bro... The verse itself clear. .quran itself full of excellent examples... Read 604-6 you will find excellent examples for your life.. Not in hadith..
606 "There has certainly been for you in them an excellent examples / lessons for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day.... ...
Do you see any difference in wording compared to verse 3321 ...
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Pls No need your appreciation and thanks. I reiterate on that...
Don't give a hint to people that I am using kind harsh words do you are hurt so asking me to keep the debate in respectful manner showing respect to each other... Well don't try to win credit.. Firat of all I didnt even address you when I talked about Tax...Okay.. Since you also talked about Zakath = Tax and Sadaqa is like just charity. .let me ask a question to you and anyone.. What is the meaning of verses when Salah and Zakath comes together.. Does it mean establish prayers and pay government tax or you want manipulate to escape from shame.. For example pls translate the below verse..
"And He has made me (Isa) blessed wherever I am and has enjoined me with salah and zakah as long as I remain alive"
Translate pls. .i know people are good at twisting verses.. Pls do for this as well... Or let me do your job... Wait..
And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and government TAX as long as I remain alive
Okay.. Take all verses where salah and ZAKAT and apply Tax in its real sense and perceive how blinded you guys are... Why not reflect before speak... Or these verses are are different kind of tax or not tax just ZAKAT? rotfl
So potty these hadith followers...
Well... I love to see the translation of below verse from both Fusion and NDP..
417 Those who do not give GOVERNEMT TAX( zakah), and in the Hereafter they are disbelievers (KAFIR)
Well... God must have mistaken.. Isn't He? Or He is letting loose few joke by this verse... Is God showing His sense of Humour side a bit?
All translations say it is Zakath.. So for you guys ZAKAT is gov tax.. Is that all your know bros...?
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You are correct. In Quran 3321, it is stated that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has set a good example for believers,
Wrong again. The word for prophet (i.e. "nabi" does not exist in that verse.
Can you find me a verse in Quran where it states we must obey the prophet/nabi or obey Muhammad?
Perhaps this will help you
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598901.msg217606#msg217606Ask yourself, does Quran use haphazard/random wording or is every word in every place intentional?
Seriously. Ask yourself.
Check this out
And finally... there are only two verses in the entire Quran which mentions the word hadith and the Prophet together in the same verse.
- It tells us what happened when the Prophet told his wives a hadith
The Prophet had trusted some of his wives with a certain hadith, then one of them spread it, and GOD let him know about it. He then informed his wife of part of the issue, and disregarded part. She said ‘who informed you of this?’. He said ‘I was informed by the Knowledgeable, the Expert’.
If the two of you repent to GOD, then your hearts have listened. But if you band together against him, then GOD is his ally, and so is Gabriel and the righteous believers. Also, the angels are his helpers.
If he divorces you, his Lord will substitute other wives in your place who are better than you; submissive, believers, obedient, repentant, worshipers, pious, either previously married, or virgins.- It tells us that those with the prophet should not stay and wait around for hadith of his when at his house, clearly showing that God differentiates between the hadith of the prophet and His hadith (as contained in The Quran), i.e. they are unequal and unecessary
O you who believe, do not enter the prophet's homes except if you are invited to a meal, without you forcing such an invitation. But if you are invited, you may enter. And when you finish eating, you shall leave, without staying to wait for hadith. This used to bother the prophet, and he was shy to tell you. But God does not shy away from the truth. And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm God's messenger, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with God.
Please consider what your answer to the questions stated in 7185, 456 & 7750 are. If you are in doubt as to which answer one should give, please read the verses which follow these two references.
Both occurrences are negative for the Traditional argument.
Reference
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Hadith_in_Quran.htm -
All translations say it is Zakath.. So for you guys ZAKAT is gov tax.. Is that all your know bros...?
did you not understand this?
quote author=Nom de plume link=topic=9612271.msg440774#msg440774 date=1681986265
they decided to call it "zakat"other tax they called "khums" and 1/5 doesn't mean tax
other tax they called "jizyah" and it does not mean taxlikewise, what were they giving / not giving?
273 314 وىوتون and giving الزكوه az-zakāata
وهم and they بالاخره in the afterlife its هم themselves ىوقنون assured being417 الذىن the ones لا not ىوتون giving الزكوه az-zakāata
وهم and they بالاخره in the afterlife its هم themselves كفرون rejecting -
did you not understand this?
quote author=Nom de plume link=topic=9612271.msg440774#msg440774 date=1681986265
they decided to call it "zakat"other tax they called "khums" and 1/5 doesn't mean tax
other tax they called "jizyah" and it does not mean taxlikewise, what were they giving / not giving?
273 314 وىوتون and giving الزكوه az-zakāata
وهم and they بالاخره in the afterlife its هم themselves ىوقنون assured being417 الذىن the ones لا not ىوتون giving الزكوه az-zakāata
وهم and they بالاخره in the afterlife its هم themselves كفرون rejectingJizya is not tax or anything drawn from them by force...
Jiizya befits in my understanding is restoration/amendment ..oncw they produce /bringforth amendment on their own willingness...
No need to fight for money.. Lol... It is coz they don't respect the rules or system (Deen) under the governement which is established by pure Muslims do they have to accept basic rules.. If they willingly bringforth the amendment then leave them as they are... Whatever the meaning of the verse 929 Jizya is not tax or anything but amendment..
