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    good_logic
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    Peace Shabir.

    Starting with the prophet, Ali and some companions who were loyal to GOD Alone- Of course before that one can mention many prophets starting at Noah and down the line to Muhammed -and many believers with them.

    Recent pioneers of Qoran are too many , I can mention few like Mohammad Asad, Rashad Khalifa, and few others that follow in their footsteps and adopt Quran alone and GOD Alone attitude/way.
    However compared to all other folks in religions and without religion ,these are very few- minority of minorities-

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvq3fvsMwc

    A simple search on the net will highlight countless pioneers. Only GOD knows the true from the false. We can listen to all words and choose what is best and agrees with GOD s scripture.

    So the message is to always check with GOD s message.
    And the best way is to study GOD s message ourselves relying on GOD Alone for the best explanations/interpretations and our own faculties which we are responsible for at GOFD s.

    GOD bless you.
    Peace

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      Dear Bajram,

      Cancer is not an incurable disease as most people believe. There are many natural healing modalities to cure cancer without any side-effects other than chemotherapy and radiation. You have not heard about it because it is NOT in the mainstream news and Google. Cancer is a trillion-dollar industry with Chemo and radiation. The cancer industry (ie the BIG pharma) don’t want to jeopardize that industry with a cheap and easy solution to heal cancer. They don't care about the suffering of people in the hospitals you have mentioned, as long as they can make money off of you. Therefore, they spend a lot of money (yes, billions of dollars) bribing the mainstream media and online media (ie Google) to suppress and censor any information about natural healing. This is the same for all other major diseases as well. Just because we have not heard about it, doesn’t mean alternate modalities don't exist. There are so many holistic and naturopath doctors who have cured different types of cancers, even end-state cases. If you watch 'The Truth About Cancer’ (TTAC) documentary series created by Ty and Charlene Bollinger, you will hear from many of the holistic and naturopath doctors and their patients how they healed cancer COMPLETELY. It is also not limited to those healing modalities as well. Many people have even healed their cancer by meditation. If you don’t want to believe me, then watch the ‘Source’ documentary by Dr Joe Dispenza here https//sourcethefilm.org/. YOU WOULD NEVER HERE THESE ON THE MAINSTREAM.

      Does the mention of 'Cancer healing' that you found in the book make you question the contents of the book? Did you find any other flaws? I am curious.

      Peace.

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        Shabir
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        Salam Good logic,

        I have heard of Rashad Kalifana and GA Parwez. And also Aidid Safar.

        You are right We should read/learn everything and see whether those information are aligned with the teachings of the Q'uran. I will watch the video you sent.

        Thanks

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          Shabir
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          Dear Bajram,

          Where is Cancer healing mentioned in the book?

          Peace.

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            Bajram_Hoxhaj
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            Dear Bajram,

            Cancer is not an incurable disease as most people believe. There are many natural healing modalities to cure cancer without any side-effects other than chemotherapy and radiation. You have not heard about it because it is NOT in the mainstream news and Google.

            Salaam, that's false and misleading. There isn't much I haven't looked into on the subject. Millions of people are diagnosed every year. They’re not all ignorant, and depending on the type—for example, if it's metastatic, especially to the brain where drugs can’t penetrate the blood-brain barrier—the options are lasers, whole brain radiation, etc. In such cases, the prognosis is often dire, with only weeks to months to live. You might as well make a will and say your goodbyes.

            Likewise, if you're going to post on a subject, do the research—especially on the Qur’an, as the consequences of spreading false information are even more serious. Most people don’t realize this and casually post whatever ideas come to mind. When corrected, they walk away and repeat their mistakes out of pride, like an ostrich fiercely protecting its egg simply because it's theirs.

            The latest advancements involve CAR T cells, which are grown and reintroduced into the body. These cells not only attack but can also inspire more cells to join the battle, as if they’re saying, 'Let’s go, team! These are the enemy!'

            This link discusses how immune-suppressing molecules from tumor cells can disrupt CAR T cells, essentially acting like 'killer brakes.'
            https//www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/research/car-t-cells

            Does the mention of 'Cancer healing' that you found in the book make you question the contents of the book? Did you find any other flaws? I am curious.

            The book you're referring to, like the article, has numerous errors—too many to discuss, most of which have already been addressed in this forum. The issue is this if you're going to write an article, why not first run it by a forum like Free Minds and defend it by answering questions? Anyone can write an article, as some do on this site, but when questioned, they run away like cowards and keep spamming the same garbage without responding. They're infatuated with their obsession, seeking attention. It's all about self-idolization.

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              Dear Bajram,

              If you think you can't heal cancer, it is true (for you) - it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. However, there are so many different modalities exist whether you want to accept them or not. I am only giving hope to people who think outside the box.

              You are also accusing me of an Article. I am confused as I never wrote one in this forum.

              This is a forum where people openly talk/discuss different topics. As Good Logic mentioned no one is faultless and I don't claim myself either. We have to learn to take responsibility for our actions/beliefs and not blame others for posting or writing a book. If you don't agree with something, counter it with facts/evidence, and move on, without accusing people. However, I am still interested in hearing from you a few other flaws in the book that we are discussing about.

              Peace.

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                Dear Bajram,

                If you think you can't heal cancer, it is true (for you) - it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. However, there are so many different modalities exist whether you want to accept them or not. I am only giving hope to people who think outside the box.

                You are also accusing me of an Article. I am confused as I never wrote one in this forum.

                This is a forum where people openly talk/discuss different topics. As Good Logic mentioned no one is faultless and I don't claim myself either. We have to learn to take responsibility for our actions/beliefs and not blame others for posting or writing a book. If you don't agree with something, counter it with facts/evidence, and move on, without accusing people. However, I am still interested in hearing from you a few other flaws in the book that we are discussing about.

                Peace.

                This shows you're unfamiliar with the subject, or the Qur’an, which matters little when catastrophe strikes, whether from disease, accidents, a falling object like a tree during a storm, or if a missile hits someone in the head.

                Globally, approximately 2.3 million women are diagnosed with breast cancer each year. That’s just one type, and around 400,000 children and adolescents are diagnosed annually worldwide.

                See 2156, 3145, 3134, 3942, 4526, etc.

                It’s unclear which book you're referring to. My original reply was about the article on the Academia page you posted.

                It contains numerous errors, such as comments on cancer, fasting—or not fasting—during Ramadan, or wiping oneself with clean soil before marriage, among other nonsense. It’s pointless to discuss these with you since you're not the author, and I don’t want to waste time on irrelevant links.

                Salaam

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                  Dear Bajram,

                  This shows you're unfamiliar with the subject, or the Qur’an, which matters little when catastrophe strikes, whether from disease, accidents, a falling object like a tree during a storm, or if a missile hits someone in the head.

                  Globally, approximately 2.3 million women are diagnosed with breast cancer each year. That’s just one type, and around 400,000 children and adolescents are diagnosed annually worldwide.

                  I can understand your reluctance to accept the fact that Cancer could be healed. I won’t blame you for that, as that is what the MAJORITY believes. Your statistics support that too. I suggest you to watch the UT video link Good Logic attached above, about what the Q’uran tells about the ‘MAJORITY’ (Here it is https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvq3fvsMwc). However, the MINORITY who believe that Cancer can be healed, it is true for them. Believe me, I am not trying to convince you on this.

                  See 2156, 3145, 3134, 3942, 4526, etc.

                  The Q’uranic verses you have posted talk about that everything happens in the world according to the Laws of Allah, and that Allah is completely aware of it.

                  It’s unclear which book you're referring to. My original reply was about the article on the Academia page you posted.

                  I did not post an Academia page. Let’s try to keep this topic clear from any assumptions and accusations, please. I posted a pdf version of a book asking for comments. I understand the book is a bit philosophical and require stronger thinking power, and open mindedness. Here is the link again https//thequrantheuntoldtruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/The_Quran_The_Untold_Truths.pdf But, it is presented with numerous Quranic evidence.

                  It contains numerous errors, such as comments on cancer, fasting—or not fasting—during Ramadan, or wiping oneself with clean soil before marriage, among other nonsense.

                  I read Chapter 24 again, which talks about ‘Saum’. The Author uses all the Q’uranic verses which talk about ’saum’ to explain the true meaning of ‘saum’ during ‘Ramadhan'. It is pretty straightforward. You may be disappointed that you did not read the same explanation that you already know about ‘saum’ as fasting? That’s what the MAJORITY believe. But, you know what Allah talks about the MAJORITY in the Q’uran? (Watch the UT link above). Can you just point out your disagreement with facts from the Quran on this - Chapter 24?

                  It’s pointless to discuss these with you since you're not the author, and I don’t want to waste time on irrelevant links.

                  Now, please don't "run away" like you have mentioned in your previous post. You voluntarily join this discussion. Why would you think it is irrelevant now?

                  Peace

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                    My dearest Shabir, perhaps learn to use quote tool and preview.

                    Dear Bajram,

                    I can understand your reluctance to accept the fact that Cancer could be healed. I won’t blame you for that, as that is what the MAJORITY believes. Your statistics support that too. I suggest you to watch the UT video link Good Logic attached above, about what the Q’uran tells about the ‘MAJORITY’ (Here it is https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvq3fvsMwc). However, the MINORITY who believe that Cancer can be healed, it is true for them. Believe me, I am not trying to convince you on this.

                    Can you read? It's not about cancer, or about the minority being flat-earthers or people who believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows, etc. Who is "the majority" in all the verses? What are all the verses pertaining to — disbelievers, right?

                    See 2156, 3145, 3134, 3942, 4526, etc.

                    The Q’uranic verses you have posted talk about that everything happens in the world according to the Laws of Allah, and that Allah is completely aware of it.

                    Read them again, carefully. How does your self-fulfilling prophecy work, especially in the case of children? You claim that one can "will" or heal their way out of an incurable disease, which takes the lives of millions—believers and disbelievers of all ages—and beat their appointed death date?

                    Here is the link again https//thequrantheuntoldtruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/The_Quran_The_Untold_Truths.pdf But, it is presented with numerous Quranic evidence.

                    Half that book is a mindless especially wiping your butt with pure clean soil (or sand perhaps) before marriage. laugh

                    I read Chapter 24 again, which talks about ‘Saum’. The Author uses all the Q’uranic verses which talk about ’saum’ to explain the true meaning of ‘saum’ during ‘Ramadhan'. It is pretty straightforward. You may be disappointed that you did not read the same explanation that you already know about ‘saum’ as fasting? That’s what the MAJORITY believe. But, you know what Allah talks about the MAJORITY in the Q’uran? (Watch the UT link above). Can you just point out your disagreement with facts from the Quran on this - Chapter 24?

                    Now, please don't "run away" like you have mentioned in your previous post. You voluntarily join this discussion. Why would you think it is irrelevant now?

                    Again, "the majority" refers to the disbelievers. Do you want to discuss every topic in this thread? Search the forum, post in the thread, or start a new one.

                    Study صَوْمًا (Şawmāan) and صِيَامًا (Şiyāmin), which have subtle differences in usage and connotation. Once again, the link to that book is nonsensical, and you mentioned it's not your work.

                    Answer questions about the self-fulfilling prophecy, how it applies to children, the millions who are diagnosed and die every year, and who exactly "the majority" refers to — disbelievers, right?

                    We need your answers and acknowledgment?

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                      Emre_1974tr
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                      Cancer is not an incurable disease as most people believe. There are many natural healing modalities to cure cancer without any side-effects other than chemotherapy and radiation.
                      Peace.

                      Yes, you’re right. The cure for all diseases, including cancer and aging, exists in nature. And today, under the name of modern medicine, false or incomplete medicine is being presented. Just like how real religion or real psychology isn’t taught in schools, real medicine also isn’t being taught, unfortunately. Moreover, these days, the dominant pagan powers are trying to reduce the world’s population. Don’t hesitate to share your knowledge and thoughts. Please don’t pay attention to the misguided devils who try to scare and hinder you on these forums.

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                        Dear Bajram,

                        My dearest Shabir, perhaps learn to use quote tool and preview

                        Thank you for this suggestion. Have you heard the idiom, "You can't teach new tricks to old dogs". ;D

                        Can you read? It's not about cancer, or about the minority being flat-earthers or people who believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows, etc. Who is "the majority" in all the verses? What are all the verses pertaining to — disbelievers, right?

                        Read them again, carefully. How does your self-fulfilling prophecy work, especially in the case of children? You claim that one can "will" or heal their way out of an incurable disease, which takes the lives of millions—believers and disbelievers of all ages—and beat their appointed death date?

                        I regret to say that your concept of 'Believers' is completely wrong. You seem to be assuming you are a 'believer'. I hate to break the bubble. Please for the love of God, read that book with an open mind. The author talks about who the real 'believers' are.

                        As I mentioned earlier, cancer is not an incurable disease, as we are made to believe. Unfortunately, the majority of Cancer patients believe that too. If you believe you or your child will die from Cancer, you will, making it a self-filling prophecy. However, there are many ways it can be successfully healed with natural medicine and diet, and without Chemo and radiation.

                        Half that book is a mindless especially wiping your butt with pure clean soil (or sand perhaps) before marriage. laugh

                        So, as per your understanding, if you can't find water, you wipe your face and hands with soil after defecating, not your butt and the hands. How does that make sense to you? so you go around with poo-poo butt??? (Excuse my language)

                        Again, "the majority" refers to the disbelievers. Do you want to discuss every topic in this thread? Search the forum, post in the thread, or start a new one.

                        Yes, the Majority refers to disbelievers. So, if you are in the majority, perhaps you might have to rethink and re-educate yourself. The book I am talking about could be a good start.

                        Study صَوْمًا (Şawmāan) and صِيَامًا (Şiyāmin), which have subtle differences in usage and connotation. Once again, the link to that book is nonsensical, and you mentioned it's not your work.

                        So, what is your definition of these terms that align with the Quran? You have yet to make yourself clear.

                        You have not provided any evidence or facts from the Quran to disprove any of the topics discussed in that book. It sounds nonsensical to me.

                        Answer questions about the self-fulfilling prophecy, how it applies to children, the millions who are diagnosed and die every year, and who exactly "the majority" refers to — disbelievers, right?

                        We need your answers and acknowledgment?

                        Self-fulfilling prophecies apply to children the same way they apply to adults. It's all about the natural laws of Allah. These laws apply to everyone without prejudice whether you are an adult or a child or rich or poor. The author has spoken about it in details in his book. I suggest you to read it.

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                          Dear Emre,

                          Thank you for your message. You are absolutely correct and you nailed it.

                          In this era of information, I think, ignorance is a choice. But unfortunately, the majority of people are just oblivious to the truth and just sleep-walking.

                          Once again, thank you for the encouragement.

                          Peace

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                            I regret to say that your concept of 'Believers' is completely wrong. You seem to be assuming you are a 'believer'. I hate to break the bubble. Please for the love of God, read that book with an open mind. The author talks about who the real 'believers' are.

                            Again, you missed the whole point. The verses about majority and minority pertain to faith. It doesn’t mean that 'the minority' of people who believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows are correct.

                            Do you understand this?

                            As I mentioned earlier, cancer is not an incurable disease, as we are made to believe. Unfortunately, the majority of Cancer patients believe that too. If you believe you or your child will die from Cancer, you will, making it a self-filling prophecy. However, there are many ways it can be successfully healed with natural medicine and diet, and without Chemo and radiation.

                            Again, you know little to nothing about the subject, yet you think you're smart while millions of people are struggling with cancer and have not tried all sorts of treatments? Why not go to the nearest cancer hospital, be a hero, hold up a sign, and help cure them and their kids?

                            Yes, the Majority refers to disbelievers. So, if you are in the majority, perhaps you might have to rethink and re-educate yourself. The book I am talking about could be a good start.

                            So, what is your definition of these terms that align with the Quran? You have yet to make yourself clear.

                            You have not provided any evidence or facts from the Quran to disprove any of the topics discussed in that book. It sounds nonsensical to me.

                            Again, that book is a waste of time—there's nothing new that hasn't already been discussed on this forum. "The majority" has nothing to do with who’s right about issues like cancer, whether chocolate milk comes from brown cows, or other topics where "the minority" is ignorant.

                            Again, choose any topic, search the forum, and if you can't find it, open a new thread.

                            Regarding 1926 abstention of (صَوْمًا); here, صَوْم refers to abstaining from speech. صَوْمًا (Şawmāan) refers to general abstinence, such as refraining or engaging in specific activities. One can make a vow of "abstention" from anything; smoking or using foul language, etc.

                            صِيَامًا (Şiyāmin) is more specific, involving abstaining from food, drink, and sex during the daylight hours of Ramadan 2187 … and eat ye of and drinks ye of until shown for you the thread the white from the thread the black from the dawn furthermore fulfill ye of Aş-Şiyāma (the abstinence) towards the night …

                            Self-fulfilling prophecies apply to children the same way they apply to adults. It's all about the natural laws of Allah. These laws apply to everyone without prejudice whether you are an adult or a child or rich or poor. The author has spoken about it in details in his book. I suggest you to read it.

                            I've perused half of it and found it dumb, so I didn't want to waste more time. Like the verses on "the majority," you/he clearly do not understand.

                            2156 Al-Ladhīna 'Idhā 'Aşābathum Muşībatun Qālū 'Innā Lillāhi Wa 'Innā 'Ilayhi Rāji`ūna - the ones when of hits them calamity said they indeed we لله and indeed we to Him returning

                            3145 Wa Mā Kāna Linafsin 'An Tamūta 'Illā Bi'idhni Allāhi Kitābāan Mu'uajjalāan - and not be for soul that it died except by permission الله writ of determined of

                            Salaam

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                              Dear Bajram,

                              2 observations I make

                              A) With regards to worldly matters like diseases you have zero knowledge. You're still in the la-la-land. Only immature children discuss things like 'chocolate milk comes from brown cows'. It is not an intelligent example or conversation.

                              B) This thread is about a book called "The Quran The untold Truths". Though you say you don't agree with it, you have not proven with Quranic evidence that the author is wrong on any topic. I see you are not serious but want to create confusion.

                              I wish you all the best.

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                                Dear Bajram,

                                2 observations I make

                                A) With regards to worldly matters like diseases you have zero knowledge. You're still in the la-la-land. Only immature children discuss things like 'chocolate milk comes from brown cows'. It is not an intelligent example or conversation.

                                B) This thread is about a book called "The Quran The untold Truths". Though you say you don't agree with it, you have not proven with Quranic evidence that the author is wrong on any topic. I see you are not serious but want to create confusion.

                                I wish you all the best.

                                Dearest Shabir,

                                I’ve read everything on the matter, and similarly, I assure you that, like the 'minority' of Americans — approximately 7% (24 million people) — who believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows, or the roughly 3% of the global population (240 million people) who believe in a flat Earth, you are equally clueless on the matter of cancer and the verses of the Qur’an.

                                That book is a nonsensical rant on almost every other topic. Once again, you can search the forum to see that most of this has already been discussed. If you want to defend and enlighten us on any specific topic, feel free to open or reopen a separate thread.

                                All the best!

                                Salaam

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                                  Dear Bajram,

                                  Purely for entertainment purposes, my children want to know, what types of cows produce Strawberry milk and Vanilla milk? Please support your answer with statistics.

                                  Thank you.

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                                    Dear Bajram,

                                    Purely for entertainment purposes, my children want to know, what types of cows produce Strawberry milk and Vanilla milk? Please support your answer with statistics.

                                    Thank you.

                                    https//www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/american-chocolate-milk-brown-cows-study-us-dairy-innvoation-adults-a7793016.html

                                    Tell your kids that no cow produces flavored milk! A 2017 survey by the Innovation Center for U.S. Dairy revealed that 7% of American adults mistakenly believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

                                    Perhaps teach your kids about inheritance—it's simple and requires basic logic and math, concepts that the vast majority (99.999%), including Sunni, Shia, and even AI models like ChatGPT and Google's Gemini, struggle with when it comes to understanding basic distributions (e.g., among a mother and two daughters) or the meaning of terms like kalala.

                                    Salaam

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                                      Qoran simple message on inheritance is to leave a will Your wish is the command in that case.

                                      Some things on inheritance

                                      Blessed are the poor
                                      For they pay no inheritance tax.

                                      An Imam told a friend ,while attending his father s funeral, that his dad would not go to heaven because he made his fortune through greed. Then he added that if the friend gives all his inheritance to him to give to the poor, he will work something out and arrange a special day of prayer to save his dad!

                                      "Where there's a will, there's a way". Until inheritance is about to be shared .

                                      In life you gain some and loose some. If you gain inheritance ,you loose a parent.

                                      ..And in the end, the meek shall inherit the earth.

                                      Me, I know nothing about inheritance. My advice to folks is to choose how and to whom they should give /share with during their life and when they depart.
                                      Hope this is not off topic,since- in this thread- we are discussing Qoran - a different perspective-..
                                      GOD bless you all.
                                      Peace.

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                                        Resolution of the Inheritance Verses

                                        Each of the inheritance verses, Nisa 11, 12, and 176, actually provides separate formulas for different situations. In fact, each sentence within these verses also discusses a separate situation and formula on its own.

                                        While researching online, I noticed that there are some who point out that these three verses offer distinct formulas within themselves. However, as I mentioned, it's not just the verses; each sentence within them also refers to a different situation and distribution. Each sentence lists a different group of heirs and the proportions they will receive.

                                        Whoever is mentioned in the sentence are the only ones considered heirs. This means either they are the only ones alive, or even if there are others, they are the only ones eligible to inherit.

                                        Because of this, there is actually no need for cross-ratios, common formulas, or the practice of awl as applied by the schools of thought. For instance, the phrase in Nisa 11, "If there are more than two females, two-thirds of what the deceased leaves belongs to them," is a standalone formula (this ratio applies only if the heirs are daughters and there are more than two of them; it does not apply in other cases and conditions).

                                        And thus, the pieces fall into place. In every situation, the inheritance is sufficient. In some cases, there is surplus inheritance, but the verses also shed light on who the surplus amount should go to (for example, Nisa .

                                        Now, let's list the verses Nisa 11, 12, and 176 that discuss this inheritance distribution, and then present a sample analysis based on one of them

                                        Nisa

                                        1. Allah instructs you concerning your children For the male, a share equal to that of two females. But if there are more than two females, their share is two-thirds of what the deceased leaves. If there is only one female, her share is half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance each, if the deceased left children. If the deceased left no children and the parents are the heirs, the mother receives a third. If the deceased had siblings, the mother gets a sixth. This division is after the payment of bequests or debts. You do not know which of them, your parents or your children, are nearest to you in benefit. This is an obligation from Allah. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

                                        2. For you is half of what your wives leave if they have no child. But if they have a child, you get a quarter of what they leave, after payment of bequests or debts. Your wives get a quarter of what you leave if you have no child. But if you have a child, they get an eighth of what you leave, after payment of bequests or debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question has neither ascendants nor descendants, but has a brother or a sister, each one of them gets a sixth. But if there are more than two siblings, they share in a third, after payment of bequests or debts, with no harm to anyone. This is a command from Allah. Allah is All-Knowing, Most Forbearing.

                                        176.They ask you for a legal ruling. Say, "Allah gives you a ruling concerning one who has neither parents nor children If a man dies leaving no child but has a sister, she will receive half of what he leaves, and he will inherit from her if she has no child. If there are two sisters, they will receive two-thirds of what he leaves. If there are both brothers and sisters, the male will have the share of two females." Allah makes clear to you, lest you go astray. And Allah is Knowing of all things.

                                        Let's break down the information provided in verse 11 as an example.

                                        I mentioned that each of these verses, and even every sentence within them, presents distinct formulas for different situations. Let's offer a breakdown

                                        An-Nisa 11

                                        "Allah instructs you concerning your children for a male, a share equivalent to that of two females."

                                        This means if the heirs consist solely of children, and both male and female children are present, the male children will receive two portions while the female children will receive one portion.

                                        In a simple example, if there is an inheritance of 300 Lira and there is one male and one female child, the male would receive 200 Lira, and the female would receive 100 Lira.

                                        "If there are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased leaves."

                                        In this case, if the heirs consist only of female children and there are more than two of them, two-thirds of the inheritance will belong to them. I would like to emphasize again that this rule applies strictly when there are more than two female children. In other scenarios or under different conditions, this share is not applicable.
                                        (Also, considering the statement in verse 176, if there are only two female heirs, they jointly share two-thirds.)

                                        Continuing with the 300 Lira example, if only female children are heirs and there are more than two of them, they will share 200 Lira among themselves.

                                        "If there is only one female child, she shall have half the inheritance."

                                        As stated in this continuation of the verse, if the deceased leaves behind only one female child (or if there are others, but she is the only one entitled to inherit), she will receive half of the inheritance.

                                        Using the 300 Lira example again, 150 Lira will belong to this single female child.

                                        "If the deceased has children, each parent will receive one-sixth of what is left."

                                        From this statement, we understand that in this case, the deceased has left behind both children and parents, so they also receive a share (one-sixth each).

                                        Out of 300 Lira, 50 Lira will go to the mother, 50 Lira to the father, and the remainder will go to the children.

                                        "If the deceased has no children and the parents are the heirs, the mother receives one-third."

                                        This sentence within verse 11 of An-Nisa refers to the situation where "only the parents are heirs." In this case, there are no children, and only the deceased's parents are heirs (even if there are siblings, they are not entitled to inherit in this scenario).

                                        In this situation, the mother receives one-third of the inheritance. Although the father is mentioned in the sentence, no specific share is assigned to him, so the remaining two-thirds belong to the father.

                                        In this case, the mother receives 100 Lira from 300 Lira, while the father receives 200 Lira.

                                        "If the deceased has siblings, the mother's share is one-sixth of what is left after any bequests and debts are fulfilled."

                                        If the deceased has a mother but no father, and there are siblings, the mother's share is reduced to one-sixth. The remainder is divided among the siblings. However, if the father were present, only the mother and father would inherit the estate, and the siblings would not receive anything (as we understand from the verses, if the deceased has children, the siblings do not inherit either).

                                        Similarly, verses 12 and 176 describe special conditions and formulas sentence by sentence. For instance, verse 12 talks about how inheritance is distributed if the deceased leaves behind a spouse, and verse 176 explains how it is distributed if the deceased leaves behind only siblings. Again, each sentence in these verses contains a distinct list of heirs and formula for inheritance.

                                        Let's briefly examine An-Nisa 176 in this context

                                        176 They ask you for a ruling. Say "Allah gives you a ruling concerning those who leave neither descendants nor ascendants as heirs If a man dies leaving no children but has a sister, she will inherit half of what he leaves. And a man inherits all of what his sister leaves if she dies childless. If there are two sisters, they will inherit two-thirds of what he leaves. If there are both brothers and sisters, the male will receive the share of two females. Allah makes this clear to you, so you do not go astray. Allah has knowledge of all things."

                                        Here, the inheritance shares are detailed if only siblings are the heirs, and, of course, each sentence presents a distinct list and formula

                                        If the heir is only one sister, she receives half the inheritance.
                                        If the heir is one brother, he receives the entire inheritance.
                                        If the heirs are two sisters, they receive two-thirds of the inheritance.
                                        If there are both male and female siblings, they share the estate, with the male receiving the portion of two females.

                                        As an example, let's elaborate on the information provided in verse 11.

                                        I mentioned that each of these verses, and even every sentence within them, offers distinct formulas for various situations. Let's present an analysis

                                        An-Nisa (Chapter 4, Verse 11)

                                        "Allah instructs you concerning your children For a male, what is equal to the share of two females."

                                        In other words, if the heirs consist solely of children and there are both male and female children, the male child will receive two units, while the female child will receive one unit.

                                        In short, if there is a 300 Lira inheritance and one male and one female child, the male will receive 200 Lira, and the female will receive 100 Lira.

                                        "If there are more than two females, they share two-thirds of what the deceased leaves."

                                        This means if the heirs are only daughters and their number exceeds two, two-thirds of the inheritance will belong to them. I want to emphasize again that this rule—daughters receiving two-thirds—applies only in this specific scenario. It does not apply under other conditions. (Additionally, if we consider the statement in verse 176, if there are two female children, they will also share two-thirds.)

                                        Continuing with the 300 Lira example if there are only daughters, and their number exceeds two, they will share 200 Lira among themselves.

                                        "If there is only one female child, her share is half."

                                        As stated in this part of the verse, if the deceased leaves only one daughter (or if she is the sole inheritor), she will receive half of the inheritance.

                                        Continuing with the 300 Lira example 150 Lira will belong to this one daughter.

                                        "For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each if the deceased left children."

                                        This means that in this case, the deceased left behind both children and parents, so each parent is entitled to a sixth of the inheritance.

                                        From 300 Lira, 50 Lira will go to the mother, 50 Lira to the father, and the rest to the children.

                                        "If the deceased left no children and only the parents inherit, then for the mother a third."

                                        This sentence from verse 11 refers to the situation where only the parents are the heirs. In this case, the deceased has no children, and only the mother and father are heirs (if there are siblings, they are not heirs in this situation).

                                        In this case, the mother will receive one-third. Since the father is mentioned in the sentence without specifying his share, we can infer that the remaining two-thirds belong to the father.

                                        Thus, in this scenario, the mother will receive 100 Lira, and the father will receive 200 Lira from the 300 Lira inheritance.

                                        "If the deceased left siblings, the mother receives a sixth after the fulfillment of any bequest and debts."

                                        If the deceased left behind siblings and only the mother (but not the father), the mother's share will decrease to one-sixth. The rest will be divided among the siblings. However, if the father were still alive, the inheritance would be shared only between the parents, and the siblings would not inherit anything (as the verses make clear, if the deceased left children, the siblings also do not inherit).

                                        Similarly, in verses 12 and 176, distinct conditions and formulas are mentioned in each sentence. For example, verse 12 discusses how the inheritance is to be divided if the deceased leaves behind a spouse, while verse 176 explains how it is to be divided if only siblings are left behind. As I mentioned, each sentence in these verses contains a distinct list of heirs and a corresponding formula.

                                        Let's also briefly examine verse 176 in this context

                                        "They ask you for a ruling. Say Allah gives you a ruling concerning one who has neither parents nor children If a man dies and leaves behind a sister, she will inherit half of what he leaves. If a sister dies and has no children, her brother will inherit all of her estate. If there are two sisters, they will inherit two-thirds of the estate. If there are male and female siblings, the male inherits twice the share of the female. Allah makes this clear to you so that you do not go astray. Allah knows all things."

                                        Here, too, the verse explains the ratios when "only siblings are heirs," and each sentence provides a distinct list and formula

                                        If there is only one sister as the heir, she receives half; If there is one brother as the heir, he receives the entire inheritance; If there are two sisters, they will share two-thirds; If there are both male and female siblings as heirs, the estate is divided in a 12 ratio (female
                                        ).

                                        Moreover, we infer from these verses that if only multiple male siblings are left behind, they will inherit the entire estate, or if only more than two female siblings are left (referencing verse 11), they will inherit two-thirds of the estate, dividing it equally among themselves.

                                        If you read verses 11 and 176 together, you will notice that the shares given to male and female children when only children are heirs in verse 11 are identical to the shares given to male and female siblings when only siblings are heirs in verse 176.

                                        (It's worth noting here that in one sentence of verse 12, both the deceased's spouse and siblings are mentioned as heirs, while in verse 176, "only siblings" are heirs.)

                                        In summary Verse 11 discusses inheritance when the deceased has no spouse, verse 12 discusses inheritance when the deceased has a spouse, and verse 176 discusses inheritance when the deceased has only siblings.

                                        And as is well known, the default rule in the verses is the fulfillment of any bequest, and these shares apply to what remains after any bequest and debts have been fulfilled.

                                        As seen, there is no actual issue of insufficient inheritance or problems like 'awliyah (insufficient estate for shares). The verses provide a flawless explanation of inheritance division. The key point here is recognizing that each sentence provides a distinct list of heirs and a corresponding formula. Each sentence in the verses gives a unique list of heirs and explains what each heir will receive.

                                        When resolving inheritance issues, you should look at who the remaining heirs are and determine which sentence of the inheritance verses applies to this particular situation, then distribute the inheritance accordingly.

                                        Let's solve the well-known case involving three daughters as an example.

                                        "A man dies, leaving behind a mother, father, three daughters, and a spouse. How is the inheritance to be distributed?"

                                        Since both the spouse and the children are heirs in this case, the fourth sentence of verse 12 describes the relevant division (each sentence in this verse explains what to do when the deceased leaves behind a spouse)

                                        "If you have children, then after any bequest and debt has been fulfilled, one-eighth of what remains is for your wives."

                                        According to this sentence, if the man leaves behind his spouse and children, only these individuals are heirs. His wife will receive one-eighth of the estate, and the remaining seven-eighths will go to the children. The deceased's parents or siblings do not inherit in this case.

                                        As I mentioned, each sentence provides a distinct list of heirs and a corresponding formula, and as we can see, the inheritance is always sufficient.

                                        There are only certain cases where there may be surplus inheritance. As I mentioned at the beginning of my writing, there are verses that provide clues as to who can receive this surplus inheritance. For example

                                        An-Nisa (Chapter 4, Verse "And when relatives, orphans, and the poor are present at the time of division, provide for them from it and speak to them words of kindness and justice."

                                        Peace and love.

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                                          Tell your kids that no cow produces flavored milk! A 2017 survey by the Innovation Center for U.S. Dairy revealed that 7% of American adults mistakenly believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

                                          Perhaps teach your kids about inheritance—it's simple and requires basic logic and math, concepts that the vast majority (99.999%), including Sunni, Shia, and even AI models like ChatGPT and Google's Gemini, struggle with when it comes to understanding basic distributions (e.g., among a mother and two daughters) or the meaning of terms like kalala.

                                          Salaam

                                          You were wasting valuable time like hypocrites. Perhaps you missed chocolate milk from your mama's nipple.

                                          AI is just a machine. Al Quran verse 3'7 is obvious. There are certain verses in AlQuran and Allah lets them know only to very few living beings and not for programmed junks in the form of AI.

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