Any truth ?

[TAJ]

Salaams Ammar,

Marie wrote the truth in the following link.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2840&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=50

The pig doesn't belong to the same group of the eight pairs of the livestock quoted in the reading. He does not ruminate like them. He is omnivore like us evil .

[ammarb87]

so has she convinced most of u that pig fat is not haram ?

[marie]

Peace ammar

so has she convinced most of u that pig fat is not haram ?

My goal is not to convice anybody here but to share only my view in the light of the Reading and according my own understanding.

The God knows best.

6146. And for the Jews We have forbidden all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful.

6146 is specific to the fat (shuhoom) of the cattle and the sheep, we can deduce that their meat is allowed. The same reasonning is valid for the pig (16115).

Lahm/meat and shahm/fat are two distinct things in the light of the reading.

Hope that helps

[ammarb87]

I dont know .. i need more convincing but in simpler words .. .hehe

[TAJ]

so has she convinced most of u that pig fat is not haram ?

On the contrary, Ammar! Her point clearly says that all that comes from pigs is Haram to eat as the pig is omnivore, just like us, humans. WE are not allowed to eat omnivores.

[marie]

Peace all,

Only the meat of the pig is forbidden.

The language of the Reading is precise, when the God means fat He says fat (6146) when He means meat He says meat (2173). In the light of 2173, the God doesn't say the pig is forbidden in the same way than almayta (any animal that dies by itself) which mean the whole bodies (meat fat, entrails, bone ..).
The God forbade the meat of the pig and not the pig.
Idem the God forbade the animal that dies by itself and not a specific part of it like meat, fat or bone.

I hope you see the difference between these two expressions, the pig and the meat of the pig are two distinct things.

2173. He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. Whoever finds himself forced out of need and without disobedience or animosity, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

[jonny_k]

Salam sister 'marie' n all,
I totally agree with u on this issue. Also u used exactly the same verse 6146 2 prove ur pt. Thts the verse i always used 2 show those who dont understand this matter. This is an amazing coincidence aint it? GOD Bless!

[zenje]

People eat shaving cream?! shock

[Tay]

Peace All,

A bit off topic, but I'm interested in how the author makes the following connection

Since these goods are being used in all Muslim countries indiscriminately, our society is facing problems like shamelessness, rudeness and sexual promiscuity.

So, because there's pig fat in toothpaste and shaving cream, Muslims are acting shamelessly, rude, and being sexually promiscious? ?

[Wakas]

peace All,

As I am allergic/sensitive to certain foodstuffs/additives I've gotten used to reading ingredients labels on food.
In fact, many people are allergic/sensitive to foodstuffs/additives but they dont know it. Its estimated to be 10% of general population.
Furthermore, a significant number of general health conditions can be improved by changing diet. From the common migraine to fatal heart disease.

With respect to this article, how does one verify the E numbers given, because I tried but got stuff not related to pig-fat. I thought these were international?

Coming from personal experience of researching ingredients on a regular basis, I can honestly say the system is shocking. Basically, manufacturers are encouraged to divulge all, its not obligatory. Its pathetic.

The recent scare in the UK about Sudan 1 tippified the problem, in which a cancer-causing agent banned 2 years ago was found in over 400 widely available common products.
http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4285285.stm
http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4287109.stm

NB It doesn't matter if the risk of cancer was low, its the fact that a banned substance was widely used.

The Food Standards Agency (FSA) does carry out random checks but says it is up to the suppliers to make sure the food does not contain Sudan I

?

Wakas

[truth]

E Codes
E100 Curcumin, turmeric
E101 Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), formerly called lactoflavin (Vitamin G)

E101a Riboflavin-5'-Phosphate
E102 Tartrazine
E103 Chrysoine Resorcinol
E104 Quinoline Yellow
E105 Fast Yellow AB
E106 Riboflavin-5-Sodium Phosphate
E107 Yellow 2G
E110 Sunset Yellow FCF, Orange Yellow S
E111 Orange GGN
E120 Cochineal, Carminic acid, Carmines
E121 Orcein, Orchil
E122 Carmoisine, Azorubine
E123 Amaranth
E124 Ponceau 4R, Cochineal Red A, Brilliant Scarlet 4R
E125 Scarlet GN
E126 Ponceau 6R
E127 Erythrosine
E128 Red 2G
E129 Allura Red AC
E130 Indanthrene blue RS
E131 Patent Blue V
E132 Indigo carmine, Indigotine
E133 Brilliant Blue FCF
E140 Chlorophylls and Chlorophyllins (i) Chlorophylls (ii) Chlorophyllins

E141 Copper complexes of chlorophylls and chlorophyllins (i) Copper
complexes of chlorophylls (ii) Copper complexes of chlorophyllins

E142 Greens S
E150a Plain Caramel
E150b Caustic sulphite caramel
E150c Ammonia caramel
E150d Sulphite ammonia caramel
E151 Black PN, Brilliant Black BN
E152 Black 7984
E153 Carbon black, Vegetable carbon
E154 Brown FK, Kipper Brown
E155 Brown HT, Chocolate brown HT
E160a Alpha-carotene, Beta-carotene, Gamma-carotene
E160b Annatto, bixin, norbixin
E160c Capsanthin, capsorubin, Paprika extract
E160d Lycopene
E160e Beta-apo-8'-carotenal (C 30)
E160f Ethyl ester of beta-apo-8'-carotenic acid (C 30)
E161a Flavoxanthin
E161b Lutein
E161c Cryptoaxanthin
E161d Rubixanthin
E161e Violaxanthin
E161f Rhodoxanthin
E161g Canthaxanthin
E162 Beetroot Red, Betanin
E163 Anthocyanins
E170 Calcium carbonate
E171 Titanium dioxide
E172 Iron oxides and hydroxides
E173 Aluminium
E174 Silver
E175 Gold
E180 Pigment Rubine, Lithol Rubine BK
E181 Tannin
E200 Sorbic acid
E201 Sodium sorbate
E202 Potassium sorbate
E203 Calcium sorbate
E210 Benzoic acid
E211 Sodium benzoate
E212 Potassium benzoate
E213 Calcium benzoate
E214 Ethyl para-hydroxybenzoate
E215 Sodium ethyl para-hydroxybenzoate
E216 Propyl para-hydroxybenzoate
E217 Sodium propyl para-hydroxybenzoate
E218 Methyl para-hydroxybenzoate
E219 Sodium methyl para-hydroxybenzoate
E220 Sulphur dioxide
E221 Sodium sulphite
E222 Sodium hydrogen sulphite
E223 Sodium metabisulphite
E224 Potassium metabisulphite
E225 Sodium sulphite
E226 Calcium sulphite
E227 Calcium hydrogen sulphite
E228 Potassium hydrogen sulphite
E230 Biphenyl, diphenyl
E231 Orthophenyl phenol
E232 Sodium orthophenyl phenol
E233 Thiabendazole
E234 Nisin
E235 Natamycin, Pimaracin
E236 Formic acid
E237 Sodium formiate
E238 Calcium formiate
E239 Hexamethylene tetramine, Hexamine
E240 Formaldehyde
E242 Dimethyl dicarbonate
E249 Potassium nitrite
E250 Sodium nitrite
E251 Sodium nitrate, saltpetre
E252 Potassium nitrate (Saltpetre)
E260 Acetic acid
E261 Potassium acetate
E262 Sodium acetates (i) Sodium acetate (ii) Sodium hydrogen acetate
(sodium diacetate)
E263 Calcium acetate
E264 Ammonium acetate
E270 Lactic acid
E280 Propionic acid
E281 Sodium propionate
E282 Calcium propionate
E283 Potassium propionate
E284 Boric acid
E285 Sodium tetraborate (borax)
E290 Carbon dioxide
E296 Malic acid
E297 Fumaric acid
E300 Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C)
E301 Sodium ascorbate
E302 Calcium ascorbate
E303 Potassium ascorbate
E304 Fatty acid esters of ascorbic acid (i) Ascorbyl palmitate (ii)
Ascorbyl stearate
E306 Tocopherol-rich extract (natural)
E307 Alpha-tocopherol (synthetic)
E308 Gamma-tocopherol (synthetic)
E309 Delta-tocopherol (synthetic)
E310 Propyl gallate
E311 Octyl gallate
E312 Dodecyl gallate
E315 Erythorbic acid
E316 Sodium erythorbate
E317 Erythorbin acid
E318 Sodium erythorbin
E319 Butylhydroxinon
E320 Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA)
E321 Butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT)
E322 Lecithin
E325 Sodium lactate
E326 Potassium lactate
E327 Calcium lactate
E329 Magnesium lactate
E330 Citric acid
E331 Sodium citrates (i) Monosodium citrate (ii) Disodium citrate (iii)
Trisodium citrate
E332 Potassium citrates (i) Monopotassium citrate (ii) Tripotassium
citrate
E333 Calcium citrates (i) Monocalcium citrate (ii) Dicalcium citrate (iii)
Tricalcium citrate
E334 Tartaric acid (L(+)-)
E335 Sodium tartrates (i) Monosodium tartrate (ii) Disodium tartrate

E336 Potassium tartrates (i) Monopotassium tartrate (cream of tartar) (ii)
Dipotassium tartrate
E337 Sodium potassium tartrate
E338 Phosphoric acid
E339 Sodium phosphates (i) Monosodium phosphate (ii) Disodium phosphate
(iii) Trisodium phosphate
E340 Potassium phosphates (i) Monopotassium phosphate (ii) Dipotassium
phosphate (iii) Tripotassium phosphate
E341 Calcium phosphates (i) Monocalcium phosphate (ii) Dicalcium phosphate
(iii) Tricalcium phosphate
E343 Magnesium phosphates (i) monomagnesium phosphate (ii) Dimagnesium
phosphate
E350 Sodium malates (i) Sodium malate (ii) Sodium hydrogen malate
E351 Potassium malate
E352 Calcium malates (i) Calcium malate (ii) Calcium hydrogen malate

E353 Metatartaric acid
E354 Calcium tartrate
E355 Adipic acid
E356 Sodium adipate
E357 Potassium adipate
E363 Succinic acid
E365 Sodium fumarate
E366 Potassium fumarate
E367 Calcium fumarate
E370 I,4-Heptonolactone
E375 Nicotinic acid, Niacin, Nicotinamide
E380 Triammonium citrate
E381 Ammoniumferrocitrate
E385 Calcium disodium ethylene diamine tetra-acetate (Calcium disodium
EDTA)
E400 Alginic acid
E401 Sodium alginate
E402 Potassium alginate

E403 Ammonium alginate
E404 Calcium alginate

E405 Propane-1,2-diol alginate (Propylene glycol alginate)

E406 Agar
E407 Carrageenan

E407a Processed eucheuma seaweed

E410 Locust bean gum (Carob gum)

E412 Guar gum
E413 Tragacanth
E414 Acacia gum (gum arabic)
E415 Xanthan gum
E416 Karaya gum
E417 Tara gum
E418 Gellan gum
E420 Sorbitol (i) Sorbitol (ii) Sorbitol syrup

E421 Mannitol
E422 Glycerol
E425 Konjac (i) Konjac gum (ii) Konjac glucomannane
E430 Polyoxyethylene ( stearate
E431 Polyoxyethylene (40) stearate
E432 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan monolaurate (polysorbate 20)

E433 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan monooleate (polysorbate 80)

E434 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan monopalmitate (polysorbate 40)

E435 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan monostearate (polysorbate 60)

E436 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan tristearate (polysorbate 65)

E440 Pectins (i) pectin (ii) amidated pectin
E441 Gelatine
E442 Ammonium phosphatides
E444 Sucrose acetate isobutyrate
E445 Glycerol esters of wood rosins
E450 Diphosphates (i) Disodium diphosphate (ii) Trisodium diphosphate(iii)
Tetrasodium diphosphate (iv) Dipotassium diphosphate (v) Tetrapotassium
diphosphate (vi) Dicalcium diphosphate (vii) Calcium dihydrogen
diphosphate
E451 Triphosphates (i) Pentasodium triphosphate (ii) Pentapotassium
triphosphate
E452 Polyphosphates (i) Sodium polyphosphates (ii) Potassium
polyphosphates (iii) Sodium calcium polyphosphate (iv) Calcium
polyphophates
E459 Beta-cyclodextrine
E460 Cellulose (i) Microcrystalline cellulose (ii) Powdered cellulose

E461 Methyl cellulose
E462 Ethyl cellulose
E463 Hydroxy propyl cellulose
E464 Hydroxy propyl methyl cellulose
E465 Ethyl methyl cellulose
E466 Carboxy methyl cellulose, Sodium carboxy methyl cellulose

E468 Crosslinked sodium carboxymethyl cellulose
E469 Enzymically hydrolysed carboxymethylcellulose
E470a Sodium, potassium and calcium salts of fatty acids

E470b Magnesium salts of fatty acids
E471 Mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids (glyceryl monostearate,
glyceryl distearate)
E472a Acetic acid esters of mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids

E472b Lactic acid esters of mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids

E472c Citric acid esters of mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids

E472d Tartaric acid esters of mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids

E472e Mono- and diacetyl tartaric acid esters of mono- and diglycerides of
fatty acids
E472f Mixed acetic and tartaric acid esters of mono- and diglycerides of
fatty acids
E473 Sucrose esters of fatty acids
E474 Sucroglycerides
E475 Polyglycerol esters of fatty acids
E476 Polyglycerol polyricinoleate
E477 Propane-1, 2-diol esters of fatty acids, propylene glycol esters of
fatty acids
E478 Lactylated fatty acid esters of glycerol and propane-1
E479b Thermally oxidized soya bean oil interacted with mono- and
diglycerides of fatty acids
E481 Sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate
E482 Calcium stearoyl-2-lactylate
E483 Stearyl tartrate
E491 Sorbitan monostearate
E492 Sorbitan tristearate
E493 Sorbitan monolaurate
E494 Sorbitan monooleate
E495 Sorbitan monopalmitate
E500 Sodium carbonates (i) Sodium carbonate (ii) Sodium hydrogen carbonate
(Bicarbonate of soda) (iii) Sodium sesquicarbonate

E501 Potassium carbonates (i) Potassium carbonate (ii) Potassium hydrogen
carbonate
E503 Ammonium carbonates (i) Ammonium carbonate (ii) Ammonium hydrogen
carbonate
E504 Magnesium carbonates (i) Magnesium carbonate (ii) Magnesium hydroxide
carbonate (syn. Magnesium hydrogen carbonate)

E507 Hydrochloric acid
E508 Potassium chloride
E509 Calcium chloride
E510 Ammonium chloride, ammonia solution
E511 Magnesium chloride
E512 Stannous chloride
E513 Sulphuric acid
E514 Sodium sulphates (i) Sodium sulphate (ii) Sodium hydrogen sulphate

E515 Potassium sulphates (i) Potassium sulphate (ii) Potassium hydrogen
sulphate
E516 Calcium sulphate
E517 Ammonium sulphate
E518 Magnesium sulphate, Epsom salts
E519 Copper sulphate
E520 Aluminium sulphate
E521 Aluminium sodium sulphate
E522 Aluminium potassium sulphate
E523 Aluminium ammonium sulphate
E524 Sodium hydroxide
E525 Potassium hydroxide
E526 Calcium hydroxide
E527 Ammonium hydroxide
E528 Magnesium hydroxide
E529 Calcium oxide
E530 Magnesium oxide
E535 Sodium ferrocyanide
E536 Potassium ferrocyanide
E538 Calcium ferrocyanide
E540 Dicalcium diphosphate
E541 Sodium aluminium phosphate, acidic
E542 Bone phosphate
E543 Calcium sodium polyphosphate
E544 Calcium polyphosphate
E545 Aluminium polyphosphate
E550 Sodium silicate
E551 Silicon dioxide (Silica)
E552 Calcium silicate
E553a (i) Magnesium silicate (ii) Magnesium trisilicate
E553b Talc
E554 Sodium aluminium silicate
E555 Potassium aluminium silicate
E556 Calcium aluminium silicate
E558 Bentonite
E559 Aluminium silicate (Kaolin)
E570 Stearic acid (Fatty acid)
E572 Magnesium stearate, calcium stearate

E574 Gluconic acid
E575 Glucono-delta-lactone
E576 Sodium gluconate
E577 Potassium gluconate
E578 Calcium gluconate
E579 Ferrous gluconate
E585 Ferrous lactate
E620 Glutamic acid
E621 Monosodium glutamate
E622 Monopotassium glutamate
E623 Calcium diglutamate
E624 Monoammonium glutamate
E625 Magnesium diglutamate
E626 Guanylic acid
E627 Disodium guanylate, sodium guanylate
E628 Dipotassium guanylate
E629 Calcium guanylate
E630 Inosinic acid
E631 Disodium inosinate
E632 Dipotassium inosinate
E633 Calcium inosinate
E634 Calcium 5'-ribonucleotides
E635 Disodium 5'-ribonucleotides
E636 Maltol
E637 Ethyl maltol
E640 Glycine and its sodium salt
E900 Dimethyl polysiloxane
E901 Beeswax, white and yellow
E902 Candelilla wax
E903 Carnauba wax
E904 Shellac
E905 Microcrystalline wax
E907 Crystalline wax
E910 L-cysteine
E912 Montanic acid esters
E913 Lanolin, sheep wool grease
E914 Oxidized polyethylene wax
E915 Esters of Colophane
E920 L-cysteine hydrochloride
E921 L-cysteine hydrochloride monohydrate
E924 Potassium bromate
E925 Chlorine
E926 Chlorine dioxide
E927b Carbamide
E928 Benzole peroxide
E938 Argon
E939 Helium
E941 Nitrogen
E942 Nitrous oxide
E948 Oxygen
E950 Acesulfame K
E951 Aspartame
E952 Cyclamic acid and its Na and Ca salts
E953 Isomalt
E954 Saccharin and its Na, K and Ca salts
E957 Thaumatin
E959 Neohesperidine DC
E965 Maltitol (i) Maltitol (ii) Maltitol syrup

E966 Lactitol
E967 Xylitol
E999 Quillaia extract
E1103 Invertase
E1105 Lysozyme
E1200 Polydextrose
E1201 Polyvinylpyrrolidone
E1202 Polyvinylpolypyrrolidone
E1400 Dextrin
E1401 Modified starch
E1402 Alkaline modified starch
E1403 Bleached starch
E1404 Oxidized starch
E1410 Monostarch phosphate
E1412 Distarch phosphate
E1413 Phosphated distarch phosphate
E1414 Acetylated distarch phosphate
E1420 Acetylated starch, mono starch acetate
E1421 Acetylated starch, mono starch acetate
E1422 Acetylated distarch adipate
E1430 Distarch glycerine
E1440 Hydroxy propyl starch
E1441 Hydroxy propyl distarch glycerine
E1442 Hydroxy propyl distarch phosphate
E1450 Starch sodium octenyl succinate

E1451 Acetylated oxidised starch
E1505 Triethyl citrate
E1510 Ethanon
E1518 Glyceryl triacetate (triacetin)
E1520 Propylene glycol