Just another sect?
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Peace Noah,
I'm sorry I missed the opportunity to catch your sense of humor. Maybe next time wink
You asked
Do you reccomend the Quran here or is there a translation that is particulary good?
In my humble opinion, the Free-Minds translation is an excellent literal translation. Personally, when I want to just read the Qur'an, I prefer the QXP or the Parwez exposition. But when researching, I usually cross-reference the expositions with the literal translations, and then draw my own conclusions.
Here are some additional resources for your endeavors
Excellent articles and Qur'an research tools
http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/QXP (The Qur'an As it Explains Itself)
http//www.galaxydastak.com/highlights.htmlMultiple translations (great for cross-referencing and transliteration)
http//www.quranbrowser.com/Muhammad Asad translation
http//www.geocities.com/masad02/Parwez exposition
http//www.tolueislam.com/Enjoy!
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Good morgen, Noah
When I first read "The Arab Conspiracy", I was shocked to death. I refused to accept the facts & translations but after few weeks I tried to open my heart & re read the "The Arab Conspiracy" again.
Now I realised that pride & ego does not help.
I am a newbie but I want to be able to master the Koran & really do the right thing.
I am shunned by families & friends but I kept to what I believe & that is no other books can supersede what God had given to us.
I am thankful that I have found this web-page.
I am still learning but one day... just one day I may be able to really see life & the world as God has decreed to all of us.
I wish you well.
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Hey Noah. I know exactly what you mean when you say you want to be sure you are doing the right thing and not misinterpreting, but I think relying on the Quran rather than scholars and tradition is defenetly a safer choice. It is clear and logical.
The Quran is Gods revealed will and instructions. Sure some parts might not be clear at first, but keep studying it. Sometimes I think that I was much more comfortable being a sunni because atleast I knew what I was supposed to do, but now I know that much of what I practiced and believed had no scriptural basis and was therefor man made. On the day of Judgement what will I tell God if he asks me why I chose the tradition rather than his Book? I really won't have an answer.
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peace all.
And thank you for comments and helping me on my way. And thank you for welcomming me in )
I have gotten help from brother damon at moslem.org aswell, that i would like to mention, but his board is a crawl over here so much that it is practically unusable for us (Tay...I have a lot of reading to do it suddenly seems. Oh the joy D
peace
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Salam Aleikum.....
Velkommen til Noah..... D
I'm also in a situation like you, just not the mujahediin part... Because my mom would kill me, before I have the smallest chance to leave my house....... But mine advice, just take the time that you'll need.... Then Allah will show you the way...... Like myself I'm still doing some reading.... And got a long way to go ( I think )..... Thus I cannot say I'm fully hadith rejector ( yet ).... But I'm still reading, and I'm doing my best.....
Danish ( Sorry for those who don't understand... But It's not a big deal )
Det m? v?re ret h?rdt i Danmark, and v?re konverteret fra Kristendommen til Islam, tror jeg nok.... Har dog ikke pr?vet det...... Men vil bare sige k?mp videre, med at l?se og ransage dit sj?l, Og Allah viser dig vej..... S? sandeligt i mine ?jne er du en mujahediin...K?mp videre min broder.......
Hope for the best for you......
Peace all....
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Peace upon you D.C )
Tusinde tak for den varme tilkendegivelse og Guds velsignelser til dig min ven. Du skriver Dansk? er du fra Danmark?
I can honestly say that the path of a mujahediin is not a very good one. Thank God i never actually got to go anywhere to kill anyone for the sake of preserving the traditions. The only where it leads, is to hatred and fearmongering. "they did it, not they did it, no the jews did it, no the americans=satan=wtf?! and so on and so forth. When i woke up i realised just how dark an arcane magic hadith truely is. It lures one in with soothing words about a man we trust as Gods messenger, and then backstab us with lies and story's that portay him as nothing but a brutal simpleton and paedophile. Some will argue about the authencity of hadiths, but think about this for a minute freind.
Who are to tell what hadith are genuine and what isnt? Keep in mind that the litteral meaning of the word hadith is hearsay, telltale, a story.
By what God given criterion are they judged as being either genuine or false? If they are genuine, then how come sunni, shiah, and other sects schoolars cannot agree on them if it wasnt because they are flawed to the bone to begin with.If you apply logic to it, as we are being told to do in the Quran, and try to confirm it using our senses, mind and our hearts it falls for this basic criterion. It contains a single lie, thus the whole scripte is flawed.
If im to study math, i would not be satisfied with the book im using knowing that 50% is not trustworthy at all, 20% perhaps is and some may be true. Actually it would make me uncomfortable that i had to go to an examn after learning from this book. And we are going to an examn, only you dont just flop in this one , you utterly fail for ever if youre wrong.
thats pretty serious is it not?You advice is taken and mostly welcomed, i thank you from my heart, and hope that God will show us both the way, through patience and honest search.
Regards
Noah -
Peace to all.....
Sorry for the delay.....
The website was down ( I think )....I can see what you think about the hadiths....And I must say I may think that you're right..... But then again I have to judge for myself....Because in the end I'm standing alone...... I know that it might be a short answer, but I'm in a hurry....
Ja.... Jeg er fra Danmark...
May Allah bless...
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Peace
If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess. (6116)
It wonderfull that we dont even have to prove you wrong, God will do that just fine.
Regards
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Peace
and to further add. Who could majority be then? Could it be the established prison relegions? Lets take a look at some numbers.
Christianity 2 billion
Islam 1.3 billion
Hinduism 900 million
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 850 million
Buddhism 360 million
Chinese traditional religion 225 million
primal-indigenous 150 million
African Traditional & Diasporic 95 million
Sikhism 23 million
Juche 19 million
Spiritism 14 million
Judaism 14 million
Baha'i 6 million
Jainism 4 million
Shinto 4 million
Cao Dai 3 million
Tenrikyo 2.4 million
Neo-Paganism 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism 800 thousand
Rastafarianism 700 thousand
Scientology 600 thousand
Zoroastrianism 150 thousand
And according to you, we are a sect of 20 members.
Regards
Noah -
Peace to all.....
Sorry for the delay.....
The website was down ( I think )....I can see what you think about the hadiths....And I must say I may think that you're right..... But then again I have to judge for myself....Because in the end I'm standing alone...... I know that it might be a short answer, but I'm in a hurry....
Ja.... Jeg er fra Danmark...
May Allah bless...
Peace
That is the right spirit. Think for yourself. Read. Try to understand, and constantly ask for understanding and guidence from our Rabb. Trust the tools that God gave you so that you may confirm for yourself the things that are happening around you. The miracles we see every day in our life, if we pay attention to creation. Look at tree's, and take a look at fractals. Isnt it amazing, the precision by wich this all works. And all this can be confirmed just by using the tools that you where given. Why do we expect, that we should not view his writing in this very same way? And by that method remove anything that seems the least but spurious, regardless of what PEOPLE might think about it. I have yet to come to look at a single passage in the Quran, that arent perfectly obviously genuine. By the very nature that this books talk to you in its verses, makes it clear that it is indeed, the best writing ever made, for the human mind.
Regards
Noah -
pece be upon you Noah,
firstly, welcome.
The best advice i can give you is set yourself as the example. at the end of the day, it boils down to you and what you believe AND do. monotheism and living a righteous life is the key. this key will unlock many doors for you.
Wakas
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pece be upon you Noah,
firstly, welcome.
The best advice i can give you is set yourself as the example. at the end of the day, it boils down to you and what you believe AND do. monotheism and living a righteous life is the key. this key will unlock many doors for you.
Wakas
Peace upon you Wakas
I try the best i can. It is all good adice, God bless you.
Regards
Noah -
Peace
and to further add. Who could majority be then? Could it be the established prison relegions? Lets take a look at some numbers.
Christianity 2 billion
Islam 1.3 billion
Hinduism 900 million
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 850 million
Buddhism 360 million
Chinese traditional religion 225 million
primal-indigenous 150 million
African Traditional & Diasporic 95 million
Sikhism 23 million
Juche 19 million
Spiritism 14 million
Judaism 14 million
Baha'i 6 million
Jainism 4 million
Shinto 4 million
Cao Dai 3 million
Tenrikyo 2.4 million
Neo-Paganism 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism 800 thousand
Rastafarianism 700 thousand
Scientology 600 thousand
Zoroastrianism 150 thousand
And according to you, we are a sect of 20 members.
Regards
NoahPeace
I have honestly no idea how these got in the two posts this and the one before it came intot his thread. Im sorry, it was aimed at nobody, i used that excact argument in a hadith debate. But whats its doing here is beyond me i just noticed. Wow, that really made me stand out as a buttneck. Im really sorry if i caused any anger or confusion with anyone ( . Please forgive me, im really going to some wierd phase atm.
Regards
Noah
