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Salaam Wakas,
You said
The only other occurrence of the exact same derivative "qiyaman" appears in 45, in which it means "to manage".
This sounds incorrect to me. Here is what I saw
3191 Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing (Qiyaman), sitting, and lying down on their sides
45 To those weak of understanding Make not over your property, which Allah hath standing (Qiyaman) for you
4103 When ye pass (Congregational) prayers, celebrate Allah's praises, standing (Qiyaman), sitting down, or lying down on your sidesThen QIYAMUN where the un part is grammaticaland it means exactly the same as QIYAMAN are here
3968 The Trumpet will (just) be sounded, when all that are in the heavens and on earth will swoon, except such as it will please Allah (to exempt). Then will a second one be sounded, when, behold, they will be standing (Qiyamun) and looking on!
And here is Qiyamin which is also another grammatical thing but the same as QIYAMAN
5145 Then they could not be standing(Qiyamin), nor could they help themselvesI would want to add that your translation of 45 as manage is highly debatable.
Take care and have a good evening
Hussein
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peace Hussein,
You could have also made bold "exact same" as well as "only".
In CofQ it separates the occurrences
qawim n.m. (adj.; comp. aqwam; pl. qiyam) -
qiyam n.m. -
Furthermore, DofQ
qiyamun plu. of qa'imum standing; v.n. of qama to stand; n.livelihood; maintenace. qiyaman (acc.) source of maintenance.
Both seemed to separate them, thus implying they are not identical.
In any case, clearly, in 45 its not on about a physical stand, just like 597, can we agree to that?
Wakas
Dictionary of Quran, and Concordance of Quran
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Salaam Wakas,
Please forgive me but I did not understand all the abbreviations related to how the cofQ worked. If you explain it in more simple terms, then I may be able to give an answer. Basically, I do not see all the differences that you are talking about.
However you asked this
In any case, clearly, in 45 its not on about a physical stand, just like 597, can we agree to that?
I can easily understand 45 as an abstract meaning of standing and 597 as physical and abstract standing at the same time.
Salaam and take care
Hussein
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peace Hussein,
Sorry, I should have clarified.
n = noun
m = masculine
v = verb
acc. = accusative
adj. = adjective
comp. = compound
pl. = pluralWhilst it could be understood as both in 597, are you saying that in 597 al quran wants people to use both meanings simultaneously in order to understand 597? If you choose one meaning, what is your preference?
Wakas
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peace All,
"qiyaman" must refer to a decision-making vehicle
Is there anything grammatically to differentiate what 'qiyaman' refers to? Or if the object of the sign is 'al kabba'? The reason I ask is if it refers to al kabba, al kabba must be the decision-making vehicle, thus it would mean 'base'.
Wakas
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Peace Wakas,
I think you have made a good point here.
Do you plan to write an article to develop more thoroughly you idea ?
Peace
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peace,
Thanks JM. I also feel its a good point but my question has not been clarified by any of the members on the site who know about Arabic grammar more thoroughly!
Is there anything grammatically to differentiate what 'qiyaman' refers to? Or if the object of the sign is 'al kabba'? The reason I ask is if it refers to al kabba, al kabba must be the decision-making vehicle, thus it would mean 'base'.
I did have an article on bayt and associated concepts but it got deleted with a computer hard drive problem I had. It was only a third done. Most of the points I came across I have posted on this forum (I think).
The study I do is not that complicated. I just check every occurrence, extract all information I can from it, attack it from every angle I can conceive and see what classical arabic meaning(s) holds. Its actually very simple but takes a lot of time! Hence developing tools so others can do the same
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
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Salaam Wakas, all
Here is what lisaanul3arab says on the ntery of "qiyaam", with specific reference to verse 45
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To organize; manage
As for the following verse
005.097
YUSUFALI Allah made the Ka'ba, the Sacred House, an asylum of security (qiyaman) for men, as also the Sacred Months, the animals for offerings, and the garlands that mark them That ye may know that Allah hath knowledge of what is in the heavens and on earth and that Allah is well acquainted with all things."Allah made the ka'aba , (which is ) the sacred house a qiyaaman for people. (He also made) the sacred months, the animals for offering and the garlands that mark them (qiyaaman)
Words in parantheses are addition from me to clarify the grammatical construction. The verb " to make \ " usually takes two direct objects, and when it does, the second has to be indefinite. Since the sacred months, the animals and the garlands are all definite, they have to be first direct object that requires a second direct object. The only direct object we have in this verse is "qiyaaman".
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Peace,
My take on Al-Ka'bata here is one of its meanings from Al-Ka&bu meaning Honor/Glory. Taking into consideration the intensive feminine as in khaleef and khaleefat, or allaam and allaamat al-ka&bata naturally means true/great honor/glory. Now in this verse you will note that al-ka&bata is in mansoob. Over and Over again in the Quran the mansoob is used in place of prepositions. so ja&ala allahu al-ka&bata is God put in great/true honor al-baita al-haraama (the sacred houses i.e. sanctuaries). (I understand the same meaning for Al-ka&bati in 595 the gift reaches true honor is an expression for 'a truly honorable gift). And all this is in the context of Hajj. So my take on this is that God is telling us that God has made the sacred houses to which we make pilgrimage truly honorable. I have understood this passage in this way for some time now, and when reading the Arabic of the Quran you will see how mansoob can replace the use of prepositions. I will look for some Quranic examples that will make this obvious to you all.
Godbless,
Anwar
