PLEASE DON'T RUN AWAY

Wakas

peace Natu,

I said "Some regular members here, and often new members..."

Some doesn't imply significant or majority proportion. And as for new members, we will always have that, so this is to be expected.

I do not regard the article (by Br. Layth) you referenced as a "traditional-style prayer" article, just as you acknowledged. Thus, in my mind, there are none such articles on this site.

The thread of mine that you referenced only contained one member who responded to the challenge.

Wakas

Natu

lol Wakas i'm not talking about 'traditional-style prayer' - its the difference between physical salat and non-physical salat. I think thats a big difference that needs to be adressed.

Natu

All I'm saying is that the salat issue is still a bit iffy, we need to get together and decide whether there is physical prostration towards a physical direction or not - that is the crucial difference. Once we're through that, I think we should be able to put up something about salat on the main page of the website for all sectarians to see that we're not running away from the issue and making infinite different interpretations o it. Do you get me?

Edip_Yuksel

Dear Ayman

Do you mean that

Salli Ala
and
Aqim el Salah

mean the same thing?

I understand the first to mean "support, encourage" and the second as "observe the contact prayer".

Peace,
Edip

Natu

Woopeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

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unknownuser

Peace be upon you Natu,

Thanks again for the reminder! Many people need to realize that the VERY FIRST response of those in "hell" is "we were not of those aho maintained the process(salaat)! Salaat is the process of enlightenment.

Looks like you were successful in drawing out Edip to this thread! WOW!
This is good, maybe we can clear this matter up now.

Nural_Amin

Peace,

Congratulations people! Edip came!

Edip, I understand that you are in support of a physical salat, I would like to kindly ask for your time to share your understanding of the verses in the Quran with those who support non-physical method.

I understand you are a busy man but I think many people have been waiting to hear from you about this topic.

Also I read you article about 'arab conspiricies...' article, I went through some of Mr Safar's work and I am impressed, I would like to hear your views on his ideas because you seemed to reject some of the concepts quite harshly at start. Mr Safar seems to have written in detail about the words and language of the Quran, just want to know whether you have seen this and would also like to see your analysis, maybe you can contribute to our understanding of 'Salat/solaa'

Peace
Nural

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Edip,

Let me get the ball rolling again,

I understand the first to mean "support, encourage" and the second as "observe the contact prayer".

Lets deal with the basic verses first, that way we have a foundation to use when weighing the evidence of teh other verses in question. My first question to you is, How can "salaat" be "contact PRAYER" when the word "Du'a" is used all throughout this reading(quran) to mean Prayer/calling God?

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Edip,

I guess you have chosen not to discuss this.

unknownuser

Salaamun alaikum,

It is apparent that EDIP's post was directed to AYMAN and he is waiting for Ayman's answer. I think that when Ayman answers his question he will jump back in !! wink

Peace,

Tanveer

Natu

Fair enough actually, we'll have to be patient.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

So if Ayman never responds we cannot have a meaningful discussion?

O well, peace to all anyway.

Natu

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ayman

Peace Edip,

Do you mean that

Salli Ala
and
Aqim el Salah

mean the same thing?

No they don't mean exactly the same thing. One is a verb, "salli", the other is a common noun "salah". However, they do describe the same process.

I understand the first to mean "support, encourage" and the second as "observe the contact prayer".

What do you base such understanding on? "Support, encourage" is certainly not the meaning given by Classical Arabic dictionaries. Also, this meaning cannot be construed from all other locations where derivatives of the root "sly/slw" are used.

You seem to be doing exactly like Aidid who you criticized for making up meanings that have no basis in Arabic or the great reading.

Moreover, logically your understanding doesn't add up because "yusalun" in 3356 is in the continuous present tense. We know for a fact that The God's support and encouragement (whatever that means) of the prophet was not continuous (for example see Chapter 80).

PS. Thanks Natu for the reminder. )

Peace,

Ayman

Natu

Thanks Ayman - now for the next phase of patience... roll

unknownuser

Peace be upon you all,

Looks like I found a good time to get back to the debating (hajja) proceedures whereby we put all Opinions to the test to extract the Truth.

Good response Ayman, looking foward to Edip's response.

ayman

Peace brother Kyle,

It is good to see you back on the forum.

Peace and all best wishes,

Ayman

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Brother Ayman,

Thank you, its good to be back. Finally got a good , FAST connection at home. It was always I was at work , or at home with a slow connection, now I am home with a fast connection. I am very excited D

Ive been doing a lot of homework. I'm ready to start uncovering a lot of truths.

Natu

I look forward to it idolfree D

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

This sure is a slow thread.