Messages from Heaven
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I came across these messages on the net and I'm interested to know what others on this forum think about them.
http//www.new-birth.net/heaven.htm
I've only posted these four messages here but there are many others on that site
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Abdullah ben Caliph talks about Heaven
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Seleman Contrasting the Mohammedan heavens and the Christian heavens
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Salaalida, a moslem who helped to defend Jerusalem from the Christians
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Jesus states that his disciples never wrote many false doctrines in the Bible attributed to him.
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From Abdullah ben Caliph
http//www.new-birth.net/tgrabjvol4/heaven2.htm
June 22nd, 1915
Received by James Padgett
Washington D.C.
I am here, Abdullah ben Caliph
I am a spirit of whom you have never heard, and I want to tell you that I am so very much interested in your work in helping the unfortunate spirits. I am not a churchman, but a lover of mankind and a believer in God as the Father of us all. I write by permission of your band, for they know that my love for my fellow man is very great and that I am interested in everything that will help them both in the spirit and material worlds.
I merely want to tell you this, and that not only the spirits called Christians have this love of their fellow man, but also we who are of other religious persuasions.
God is God, and Allah is his name and Mahomet is his prophet. And my name on earth was Abdullah ben Caliph. And I lived more than five hundred years ago in the city of Mecca and was a priest of the Mosque, and had charge of the sacred carpet of the great Prophet.
I live in a sphere that has a name, but is not in the Celestial Spheres that the Christian Spirits tell me exists. In my sphere the Mohammedans live and worship Allah, and adore his prophet. Yet, I see him and he is still preaching the great truths and is happy.
Many others, not of our faith, live in certain planes of this sphere, they are not Christians either, but great intellects, and are working for the material good of humanity. We are working with them in this great purpose.
Well, we have found that there is no marrying here but that each of us has one of the opposite sex to live with, and strange as it may seem to you, and stranger yet it seems to us, we do not desire more than one. Our dream of having our harems filled with beautiful houris, was merely a dream. We have no harems and desire none. Our happiness is complete with only one.
Yes, there is suffering among our faithful in the lower spheres, and darkness also, but many who have lived in that darkness are now with me in the heaven of happiness that I tell you of. God is just and he will not let a guilty one escape. We must all pay the penalties of our deeds on earth. So you see our Prophet told us the truth about there being a Paradise for us in the Spirit World.
I thank you for your kindness and will stop.
Your friend and I hope a mutual lover of mankind.
Abdullah ben Caliph The Mohammedan
- Seleman Contrasting the Mohammedan heavens and the Christian heavens
http//www.new-birth.net/tgrabjvol4/minor756.htm
I am an ex-sultan of the Mohammedans.
I do not know time, but about four hundred years ago. Yes, I am still a follower of the Prophet, and I am in our paradise and happy. God is great! Allah is his name and Mohammed is his prophet!
I had a desire to learn what the writers who have written you tonight might say, and so I stayed and listened to them and found that their doctrines of the Divine Love of the Father are new to me. The Mohammedans do not understand this Love, and when I heard that it gave such bliss to those who possessed it, I became interested and wondered what it really meant.
We have not this Love, and our happiness comes to us from our brotherly love and our worship of Allah and our devotion to his prophet. As I wondered the thought came to me that we should have been taught to know what this Love means, and if our Allah is not such a loving God as the God that these Christians tell of.
I am going to inquire into this, because if there be a greater happiness than what I now have I want to learn about it, and if it exists, to become a partaker of it.
We don't have much intercourse with the Christian spirits, as our heavens are separate from theirs and we believe that we have the true heavens and are the chosen of God, and that all these Christians are in the dark.
Well, these Christians seem to be brighter and more beautiful than do the spirits in our heavens, and that has caused me to think, also. I know that in our heavens the higher we progress the more beautiful we become and the brighter we seem to be, and that the condition of the progress of the individual determines his appearance; and, knowing this, I have come to think that these Christians live in a higher or more progressive heaven than ours.
I am dissatisfied now, and I will investigate. Can you tell me the best way to do so?
Yes, some are who have not written. I will do so.
There is one here - a beautiful woman - who says she is your grandmother. I will ask her and maybe she can start me on my investigation.
- Salaalida, a moslem, helped to defend Jerusalem from the Christians
http//www.new-birth.net/tgrabjvol3/minor366.htm
I am a Moslem and I lived in the time of the crusaders and helped to defend Jerusalem from the Christians. I was an officer of high rank, and a general who was known among my own countrymen for my prowess in battle. I merely want to tell you now that I am a lover of all mankind and know no difference between the Christians and the Moslems, for all are God's children and are the objects of his love, and of my love, for I am a lover of God.
I am an inhabitant of the highest Mohammedan heavens and am very happy and satisfied with my spiritual condition, and am still a follower of the Prophet who lives in our heavens and still teaches the truths of the Father, Allah.
I have no criticism to make of the Christians and believe that they are also followers of God in the way that their Jesus taught, but I cannot yet believe that his teachings are the only truths of the Father. He and his followers live in a different sphere from our sphere, and those whom I have met seem to be happy and are very beautiful.
So while I was once an antagonist of the Christians, and hated them with all the hatred that my religion taught me to hate, yet now I see that hatred is not a thing which God recognizes as being a part of the faith or practices of his true followers.
I came merely to tell you this and to inform you that love is the ruling principle of the spiritual world where I live.
By love, I mean love for God and for my fellowman. This is the only love that I know of and I find it sufficient for my happiness.
I don't know what you mean by the Divine Love
- Jesus states that his disciples never wrote many false doctrines in the Bible attributed to him.
http//www.new-birth.net/tgrabjvol2/jesus36.htm
I was with you to night, and heard what you said about the Bible and its writers, and I desire to say that many things in it were not written by my disciples or by those to whom my disciples had delivered the sayings that I made use of while on earth.
The text as contained in the present Bible is not a true copy of what I said, or what was in the manuscripts of those who originally wrote; and I am trying to correct the many errors that the Bible contains.
Well, the sayings in the Epistles and in the Gospels and in Revelation to the effect that my blood saves from sin, are erroneous, and my disciples never wrote that false doctrine, for I repeat here, what I have before written you, that my blood has nothing to do with the redemption of mankind from sin, nor has my blood any effect in reconciling men to God or making them one with Him. The only thing that works this great result is the New Birth as I have explained it to you.
So do not let these sayings of the Bible disturb your belief in what I say now, or in what I may hereafter say.
Well, the Revelation of John is not true - it is a mere allegory and not just as he wrote it, for it contains many things that are absurd and not in accord with the truths as I shall write them to you. He has written you already on the "Revelations" and told you what he did not write, as he has been annoyed by this book of the Bible and its interpretations by the preachers and others. It is nothing but a revelation of a vision which he thought he saw while in a trance, as you mortals say. I mean that the real Revelation that he wrote is only the vision of a trance. So let not these things disturb you.
I see that you are getting more of the Divine Love in your soul, and your spiritual eyes will be opened, and your soul perceptions will, before long, see and understand many of the vital truths of God.
I will not write more to night.
With all my love, I am,
Your brother and friend,
Jesus
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um.. so its just some fictional letters created for mostly fictional characters? Am I missing something here?
You're missing an open mind apparently
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The so-called 'Muslim voices' refer to themselves as 'Mohammedans'. That's suspect.
Besides, I agree with Riz, these are most probably fiction.
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The so-called 'Muslim voices' refer to themselves as 'Mohammedans'. That's suspect.
Not if you unstand these messages were recieved in the early part of last century (1915). Mohammedans is an OLD fashion word now, but it wasn't at that time. And the language of the time would had been used.
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All those message were received via Automatic writting not voice channeling like Edgar Cayce. Automatic writting is another form of channeling but writting is used instead of voice.
communications from the spirit world, and which were received by him without any interposition of his own mind. He also told me that while he was receiving the writings, he did not know in advance, what the next words or sentence written would be, and when receiving these writings, that he was instructed by spirits, that a necessary acquirement on his part was, that his mind must be kept in a passive and inactive state so that his own thoughts would not interfere with the messages transmitted through him and then they would be able to write the exact words and sentences that they were anxious to be made known to mankind.
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If you dont believe in channeling Truth, it means you dont believe in the quran. Because the quran was recieved that was
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Yea, but the Quran was dictated by God, who is eternal, and Gabriel, who probably has a pretty long life time as well. These 'spirits' are of dead people. The dead cannot talk. We live, we die, we are resurrected again at the end. Jesus is dead, those other guys are dead. They wont be alive in anyway until the day of judgement, therefore they cannot communicate with the living.
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http//img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/3lawssafe/frog_prince.jpg
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Peace family
and had charge of the sacred carpet of the great Prophet.
the sacret carpet? wth? Now we have rocks, brass footprints, jachin and boaz, pepplethrowing and now a magic carpet. It just gets better everyday. What relegion was it that we had, said yous?
regards
Noah -
This isn't a pickup site Noah.
If you want to post you picture join a muslims singles site
http//www.singlesites.com/Muslim_Dating.htm
Post you pic there Noah and you might get some takers if you lucky
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This isn't a pickup site Noah.
If you want to post you picture join a muslims singles site
http//www.singlesites.com/Muslim_Dating.htm
Post you pic there Noah and you might get some takers if you lucky
No you got it all wrong. It was an insult aimed at you, portraying you as a frog with too much mouth and not enough to back it up with. Im sorry you didnt manage to get this right either.
regards
Noah -
All those message were received via Automatic writting not voice channeling like Edgar Cayce. Automatic writting is another form of channeling but writting is used instead of voice.
So that means the supposed voices write their messages themselves.
What kind of Muslim, even those already dead in 1915, describe themselves as 'Mohammedans'?
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BEING A MOHAMMEDAN
Ahmed Hulusi
Translation by Ahmed Baki
It may be asked, what does Mohammedan mean?..
Mohammed is a Servant of ALLAH. Likewise the rahmat (grace) of ALLAH be upon the entire creation, being Servant of ALLAH is about being kind to all people without considering any discrimination or any disunion among them. It means trying the most in giving people unconditionally.
Being Mohammedan means refraining from blaming, condemning or scorning any person for matters which are not of their choices. It means Affection; it means Love; Grace and Mercy. Being Mohammedan is to be generous!..
We love whether Shia or Sunni. We love whether Kurd or Turk or Arab. We love all servants of ALLAH. We do our best to serve all servants of ALLAH. We are not bound by any sets of preconditioning that people invent for their personal benefits.
You might be descending from a Kurdish family or from a Turkish one. You may have been raised in a Shia community or in a Sunni one. Some external factors may have preconditioned you to attach on various judgments. But, we do not mind them, at all. The only significant criteria for us is that you be a servant of ALLAH... Regardless of our places of birth, whether it is Turkey, Africa or America, each one of us is a servant of the same One, ALLAH.
Being Mohammedan means recognizing all people regardless of their differences. It means to love people; it means to have tolerance. Because, a Mohammedan sees "ALLAH" in hearts, in the essence of people and in their consciousness... How could you explain then, if you do not perform your sajda (prostrate yourself) before ALLAH Whom you face?..
People perform sajda by standing in a circle around Kaba... If you remove the walls of Kaba from between, which is in the midst of people, you will see that sajda is fulfilled toward ALLAH Who is the Reality already within people...
ALLAH is not a god standing up-somewhere. ALLAH IS present within all of our hearts, within our consciousness and within every atom of ours... Do you realize then, who is the One we ever dislike, we get annoyed, we disgrace or we do not tolerate and hate?..
My friends... Some people are aware, but some are not! None is capable of knowing everything. No one has the same opportunities of research and learning. Therefore, we should not accuse people who are not informed or misinformed on certain matters. We should not disgrace anyone! We should not look down on anyone...
The creation of ALLAH is infinite. Each unit of creation has its different perspective and beauty. We should try to love them all despite their mistakes, errors and deficiencies...
Sooner or later, everyone of us will pass away. Speaking on my part, I have already leaned the ladder of ages onto my fifties. I do not know if I will live three or five more years. We would be happy if there is someone who recites and sends a few "Kulhuwallah" (Sura Ikhlas) and an Alhamdu (Sura Fatiha) from behind and who says "May ALLAH be radhi (glad) of him!.." What a loss if we could not even attain that!
Infinite number of wealthy people, sultans or statesmen have all passed away in spite of all their achievements, leaving every possession behind. If they were able to make themselves remembered in charity, this is simply their gain. If they are not remembered in benevolence, they are there at loss, also.
People must not be accused of matters which are not results of their own decisions. This fact is common sense. Why do we still dare to charge people based on odd judgements that they are Turks or Kurds or Arabs or Gypsies orothers? How humane is this?
We are beings of limitlessness, created within the Science of Allah. We take part for short temporal periods in this world. Maybe tomorrow in an unexpected moment we will depart from this world. What kind of a reasoning can we have if we have turned life into darkness, caused it to be unendurable and full of grief for each other, and if we destroyed each other in a world we stay for such temporal periods?..
If you want to understand Islam, look at Mewlana Jelaluddin, look at Yunus Emre, look at Hadji Baktash Wali! Look at Ahmed Yasewi! There are so many people of insight, spiritual understanding and mystery to pay attention to. They are representatives of Islam and they represent what being Mohammedan is... Those who watch out and criticize the physical position of your body during your prayers, who question your style of dressing or your shirts with short sleeves or your not wearing nightcap in a mosque and who accuse you of such reasons, are quite unaware of Islam.
Consider and understand those great people who share the same insight, if you want to learn Islam and understand the thought system of Islam.
When I say "I am Mohammedan," I mean, I am one of those who meet people with grace regardless of their belief, religious order or path they follow.
Prophet Ibrahim is the ancestor of Mohammed Mustafa. Let me tell you a story about him to conclude my remarks...
As might be known, Prophet Ibrahim is well-known for his generosity (kerem). He would not ever eat alone without someone sharing his meal. One evening after he prepared his dinner as usual, he noticed that there was nobody to eat with him. He was all alone and he prayed his lord, saying "Oh Rabbi! Please, send me a guest to share my meal as I haven't got anyone to join me in my meal.."
And Prophet Ibrahim's prayer was accepted at the sight of Truth (by Janab Haqk). Before long, he heard someone calling from outside "Is there someone inside?"
Jumping out of his place, Ibrahim opened his door "Welcome," he said upon seeing an old man outside. "Come in, please! Sit down for some food!"
The old man stepped in and then they sat to eat together. Saying "Bismillah," (in the name of Allah) Prophet Ibrahim took a slice off bread. And the man too reached to the bread and cut off a piece.
"Oh, no," said Prophet Ibrahim. "Don't you say 'Bismillah' before you begin eating! You should mention the name of Allah! Mention the name of Allah who gave all this food for us!.."
The man, so old with a beard down to his belly, said "But, I do not know your lord. Who is he?"
Prophet Ibrahim said, "This is unacceptable! How can I share my food with someone who does not recognize ALLAH, and denies Hu!"
Those words broke the old man's heart. "OK then," he said. He stood up and walked out...
After the old man had left, Prophet Ibrahim received a revelation (wahy) by ALLAH, right away
"Oh Ibrahim! (Don't you see) I have been allowing my servant live for more than a hundred years, though he only denied me so far. I have not driven him away from my door even once (I have not stopped providing him with food)... How could 'you,' only a servant of Me, send him back?"
Ibrahim jumped out of his place all at once and rushed to the man, saying "O! Come! Even if you do not know Hu! Come back! I was warned by my Lord because of my attitude toward you. "
The man asked "What happened that you changed your mind?" Ibrahim repeated what he had been informed, and begged the man "Please, for Allah's sake, come on, sat with me and share my meal." The old man said, "Is this what your Lord talked to you?" Ibrahim said, "Yes, my Lord said so." Then the old man said, "Your Lord is really a great and an exalted Lord. Then I believe in your Lord..." They then sat at the meal and ate together...
http//www.ahmedbaki.com/english/books/excerpts/booklet_eng_moh.htm
One difference between those who call themselves Mohammedans seems to be the concept of Universary Love. This concept seems to have been lost by those who call theselves muslims.
Being Mohammedan means refraining from blaming, condemning or scorning any person for matters which are not of their choices. It means Affection; it means Love; Grace and Mercy. Being Mohammedan is to be generous!..
We love whether Shia or Sunni. We love whether Kurd or Turk or Arab. We love all servants of ALLAH. We do our best to serve all servants of ALLAH. We are not bound by any sets of preconditioning that people invent for their personal benefits.
I notice that concept of Universal Love is missing from many muslims. Even many of this forum
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peace albion
Do not confuse the concept of love with simpleton new age vibes. Yo uhave been told off quote a few times, and that is just people being honest about what they feel about the stuff you post here. Myself included. Honesty is love, falsely pretending that we agree with your very narrow world view is not.
That i tell you to your face what i think about you, without using obscure language is an expression of thyat very universal love
And besides that, who might you be to pass on judgement like that?
regards
Noah -
Peace Noah,
It was an insult aimed at you, portraying you as a frog with too much mouth and not enough to back it up with.
Please tone it down with the "insults", and try to exercise more patience. Just a reminder... I tend to fall into that trap now and again also. oops Sometimes it's best to step aside/ignore. There's more constructive work to be done.
Take it easy.
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peace Zenje
You speak the truth oops
Regards
Noah -
Yea, but the Quran was dictated by God, who is eternal, and Gabriel, who probably has a pretty long life time as well. These 'spirits' are of dead people. The dead cannot talk. We live, we die, we are resurrected again at the end. Jesus is dead, those other guys are dead. They wont be alive in anyway until the day of judgement, therefore they cannot communicate with the living.
Khi- Salam.
Do not say of those who are killed in the cause of GOD, "They are dead." They are alive at their Lord, but you do not perceive.
Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of GOD are dead; they are alive at their Lord, enjoying His provisions.
GOD Bless!