Lets look at this all over again shall we?`
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Peace Noah,
Thanks for sharing...wow, this definately cannot be coincidental. Just one question, what are your views on Ike's and other theorists' ideas about the reptilian humans, whom they claim most of the Illuminati are? I say this because of a very interesting observation, regarding Layth's article on the Jinn which you can read at free-minds under the articles section.
Layth concludes that the Jinn are reptilian creatures, decendents of the dinosaurs who are more advance than the human race and who envy us for being God's inheritors of the earth as per 230. However, this doesnt mean they are all evil... I did some research on the net and there is tons of talk, especially from the history of past civilizations of a reptilian like human race... I just couldnt help but see the striking similarities between layths' thorough analysis on the Jinn and what David Ike has to say about the reptilians...
Having said that however, I do not fully support Ike's theory which as you said is probably exaggerated and over done in some aspects...But I did like Layth's analysis and we must always keep an open mind. Anything is possible wink
Peace
Omar
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Peace Noah,
Thanks for sharing...wow, this definately cannot be coincidental. Just one question, what are your views on Ike's and other theorists' ideas about the reptilian humans, whom they claim most of the Illuminati are? I say this because of a very interesting observation, regarding Layth's article on the Jinn which you can read at free-minds under the articles section.
Layth concludes that the Jinn are reptilian creatures, decendents of the dinosaurs who are more advance than the human race and who envy us for being God's inheritors of the earth as per 230. However, this doesnt mean they are all evil... I did some research on the net and there is tons of talk, especially from the history of past civilizations of a reptilian like human race... I just couldnt help but see the striking similarities between layths' thorough analysis on the Jinn and what David Ike has to say about the reptilians...
Having said that however, I do not fully support Ike's theory which as you said is probably exaggerated and over done in some aspects...But I did like Layth's analysis and we must always keep an open mind. Anything is possible wink
Peace
Omar
Peace omar.
I think Icke is a charlatan, as simple as that. He takes a serious, though strongly christian new testament beliver, researcher like Jordan Maxwell and try to use his knowledge to sell of a relegious dogma of infinite love. And he declared himself Jesus on national Brittish tele some 10 years ago.
That said however, his webpage is full of Maxwells, and to some extend his own research, and all that i have checked so far match up. This is why i keep insisting that we are in a state where we need to chose wich system we want. The new world order IS comming fast!Either it is the established world, thus the order ab chaos system, or it is Islam. They do not compute together, unlike what most wants to belive out of comfort alone.
As for reptiles... well i like this saying. The mind is like a parachute, it works best if its fully open. I see a lot of reptiles through history, and i can see layths point from the Quran. But i have never actually met one, so it remeains speculation. And therefore i primarily focus on the people that i can see. Like the Bushes, the Rotschilds, the rockefella. Not out envy, trust me, i want NONE of what they have, not in this life nor the next. But they are clearly the vehicle for an agenda that has been going for a long time now, is accelerating and about to erupt into something really nasty. Especially the rotschilds, and the royal family's. Do you think they came to power because they were nice? Add to this 500+ years of inbreeding, and you have someone with a mindset that might not be to sound.
Or in simple terms (im a simple man). If you have a killer dog, and let it breed with its own bloodline through 500 years, you end up with a very sick little puppy. I have no reason to trust these people for that reason alone. But look into their financial interrests, youll be amazed what the "royals" really are into, and WHO they are, be they reptiles or not.
We need to wake up, instead of throwing verses at eachother about homosexuality and how we can incorporate Islam into the west, we need to step back and start to look at the REAL bigger picture here. And honestly i hate to be a whistleblower, but i am, with the rideculement and social retardment that comes along with it.
Regards
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Peace
why do people ignore me? You are welcoem to say that im insane, you know. 72 views and only 1 had the nuts to answer. My question has not changed. You may feel holyer than thouh in this current system, because your humble towards God. Then howabout adopting his system, the natural republic?
Symbolism is just a way to spot where stuff comes from, the real problem is a system that is based on usury, interrest, money and terms. Money have become everybody's master, instead of a usefull tool. And if you accept it as is. good luck with your master.
there are no moderate Islam, there are just Islam, and its incompatible with the current system, nomatter how annoying that makes things.
So you can stay away from the bank system, only, here in denmark you cant. ITS LAW, to have a bank account, this is a trend adopted from EU.
You have to pay taxes, to pay for a never ending debt to the private financial institutions that originally lend the state its own money back, and made fortunes. Today they are mainly based on the bank of england model. Only, "the bank of "insert state"" are privately run organisations, the name is just to lend it legitimacy in the public. And hey it sorta works, why bother about it. Well...either usury or not, no both ways!
We are all cog's in a gearbox, and you can chose to be one, or you can chose to malfunct, so the lie runs less smoothly. But honestly im disapointed with you, most refuse to even concider these things, because it shatters their worldview. Seeking the truth is altso the willingness to accept that your own might be wrong.
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Peace Noah,
I honestly support your cause. However, the single biggest problem for us right now is we have no plan and we dont exactly have unity. Talk is dandy and all but unless we get going and actually do something then talk about choosing or rejecting a system is a fruitless waste of time. Ive tried addressing this issue broadly in my post "beating around the bush" which you probably read and was disappointed at the lack of cosntructive suggestions and working towards implementing a strategy. But hey, I can understand how we are all busy with our own lives....Im so loaded with exams, and social commitments at my own local front here in Ottawa that I dont have the resources at my disposal to do anything substantial.
We have to start talking more about how we can pool our resources together.....and honestly I dont see anything happenining of any meaningful substance unless we join together under one banner and hold an international conference that addresses where we wish to go from here. We need to start thinking that we are God's party. Thats's the paradigm we need to use as our model...Doesnt God say he always supports His party against all others? We have to strive and believe that God can make us His vehicle of justice and good in this world if we are truly committed wink So we can all do our own little bit by hammering it in. It starts with the simple question SHOULDNT WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT??
See Im on this Anti Arab racism conference planning committee...And we all know how monsterous the obstacles are for progress in teh Arab world on all fronts...its mostly due to their own faults cause Arabs tend to be very apathetic about anything that doesnt give them immediate gratification i.e, money...infact for most Arabs the word "volunteering" doesnt exist in their vocab. So one of our activist sponsors, an Arab professor, said that he will have nothing to do with supporting us until we actually add the words "Stop complaining. Start Contributing" to our student organization's logo. (S.C.S.C.) Thats the philosophy that gets you somehwere. I mean its common sense no?
Peace.
Omar
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Peace Noah, omar and all
I don't want to dwell into this sort of conjecturing, but let me bring some points that may widen the view.
1- What you have presented is basicaly conjecture. Surely, the signs they use are facts, but the conclusions drawn from it are merely conjecture.
2- The worship of "our valiant ancestors" is common, you can find it in any culture. The western world at these times happens to be the strongest, thus we find ourselves in the middle of all these signs, pertainning to the "valiant roman ancestors".
3- Until someone can show a specimen of this reptile/human race, it's as real as X-men or Donald duck.
4- For the "pyramid signs", they try to include the pharaonic civilization in their list of "valiant white roman ancestors", but from what I have seen, almost all the statues showing egyptians of that time, all the statues are missing the nose, as if someone is trying to hide the fact that they were black people. Moreover, the shape of the hair give more proofs of this.
5- And for taking control of the world, remember Napoleon, Cesar, Hitler, Pharaon, and many more who have not the "honour" to be known as these ones. Where are they right now? Does what they have acquired benefit them in any way?
6- Finally, you have to know that these people cannot have a common goal, even if they seem like a block, but each of them is following his own desires, they cannot unify.
Put your trust in the god, he is the best in scheming, he's the knowledgeable, the wise.
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Peace Noah, omar and all
I don't want to dwell into this sort of conjecturing, but let me bring some points that may widen the view.
Peace. what conjecture?
1- What you have presented is basicaly conjecture. Surely, the signs they use are facts, but the conclusions drawn from it are merely conjecture.
what parts of it?
2- The worship of "our valiant ancestors" is common, you can find it in any culture. The western world at these times happens to be the strongest, thus we find ourselves in the middle of all these signs, pertainning to the "valiant roman ancestors".
And the romans, and those that inspired them are not around as society's anymore, do you know why?
3- Until someone can show a specimen of this reptile/human race, it's as real as X-men or Donald duck.
agree
4- For the "pyramid signs", they try to include the pharaonic civilization in their list of "valiant white roman ancestors", but from what I have seen, almost all the statues showing egyptians of that time, all the statues are missing the nose, as if someone is trying to hide the fact that they were black people. Moreover, the shape of the hair give more proofs of this.
where do this come from?
5- And for taking control of the world, remember Napoleon, Cesar, Hitler, Pharaon, and many more who have not the "honour" to be known as these ones. Where are they right now? Does what they have acquired benefit them in any way?
Do you know waht they have in common? Rotschilds, go look it up. With the exception of cesar and pharao. But according to another ald book, at the time of ceaser, manoychangers where a problem back then too. And its the same money changers as back then, and thats why the symbolism keeps reapering. Who have the money to have large monuments built? Mr, and mrs. jones?
6- Finally, you have to know that these people cannot have a common goal, even if they seem like a block, but each of them is following his own desires, they cannot unify.
They seems to be quite good at it though.
Put your trust in the god, he is the best in scheming, he's the knowledgeable, the wise.
I do but that does not mean im just going to lean back and accept the moneygrubbing system, that alway shwere the same, and always where blamed by those send to us. Because if i do. I will make the same mistake as those in the past, and have learned nothing.
Regards.
NoahPs Omar, im still thinking about what you wrote, answer will come.
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Peace Noah,
For me, these signs have the same function as flags, showing that one is from this or that camp.
The sign of fire relates to a time when making fire was a hard task, not everybody was able to make fire. They should had some sort of recipient to keep a sustained fire and avoid it being off. It was of high priority. Now it is a meaningless spot, merely esthetic.
The obelisk in ancient times had its importance. It was a tool to measure time and to know seasons. Now it is used merely for extravagance.
The pyramid was the only way to make high buldings, since rocks are heavy, and not any other structure could support the weigh. And surely, if you are on the top, you would have a wider view of your surrounding.
Each one of these signs had its signification back then, it was all logic, no paranormal or mysticism attached to it.
Also, there's more than 200 pyramids in Soudan, rarely talked about.
You can find meanings for the other signs, but you have to put them in their historical context.
And finally, You, me and all the others are the by-product of this past that you seem rejecting. We are here discussing this because of all the events that had passed with the righteous and the not-so-righteous people. You see, it has not produced only evil things.
So, who is the best in scheming?
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Peace Noah,
For me, these signs have the same function as flags, showing that one is from this or that camp.
The sign of fire relates to a time when making fire was a hard task, not everybody was able to make fire. They should had some sort of recipient to keep a sustained fire and avoid it being off. It was of high priority. Now it is a meaningless spot, merely esthetic.
Peace someone
Yes, and those that had that knowledge became elevated in society, soon they became priets. And today it represent being on top of the social food chain. Just like back then.
The obelisk in ancient times had its importance. It was a tool to measure time and to know seasons. Now it is used merely for extravagance.
bu the same ones that still use the fire as a symbol. that particular fire that is.
The pyramid was the only way to make high buldings, since rocks are heavy, and not any other structure could support the weigh. And surely, if you are on the top, you would have a wider view of your surrounding.
and that is the very symbolism and why you should want to be on top, in the symboliv pyramid. The symbol is still videly used by those who altso still use the fire and the obelisk. None of these wich btw, has anything to do wtih rome, or the culture of rome as such. Besides that, its not true that thsoe where the only high buildings people could build, in your first post you tant to connect it to come. Colloseum?
Each one of these signs had its signification back then, it was all logic, no paranormal or mysticism attached to it.
mate there were formed relegions around them? no signfigance? omg..you took the blue pill didnt you? And today all of th?se symbols represent someone, being futher up the chain of knowledge than others., Did anyone know back then how to builkd pyramids? No, only the stone masons. Did anyone back then know how to make obelisks, no, only the stone masons. and so on.
Also, there's more than 200 pyramids in Soudan, rarely talked about.
wich is a shame, really.
You can find meanings for the other signs, but you have to put them in their historical context.
I am, and i know about the historical context. You however should try and understand their modern context. And why they keep reareaping all over the world, in the trail of certain people.
And finally, You, me and all the others are the by-product of this past that you seem rejecting.
Im not rejecting anything but the present.
We are here discussing this because of all the events that had passed with the righteous and the not-so-righteous people. You see, it has not produced only evil things.
Yeah this group pretty much has. there nothing good about unless you count dead structures, unfair trade, cheating and monopolising good. I could easily live without a car and a tv to get rid of those.
You see, the returning symbolism, and those evil things come together. Now you need to ask youself...why?So, who is the best in scheming?
God, i never claimed otherwise. I know that they scheme and God schemes. But i repeat, that does not mean im just going to lean back and do nothing and accept they sceheme, now that i can both see and know about it.
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Hi everyone....
Sorry for the late reply.... got a internet problemos
Just saying that I'm giving Noah right in his statement, since there are to many signs that indicate, they exist..... What they are really up to and who they are, there's a lot of theories...... Don't ask me....
Well... I just giving Noah some links... For some useful reading
This link show the connection between Nazi's and The Freemasons...
http//www.blackraiser.com/nazorig.htmLinks of reports of freemasons ( I only took the Istanbul bombings )
http//english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D7D22755-3425-4BF3-BC6C-6969D409DF49.htmhttp//www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-03/10/content_313358.htm
List of the famous freemason ( This webbage is from their Grand Lodge of England )
http//www.province.org.uk/famous.htmAnd the last link shows you their names in different countries and where they are... ( Taken from den Swedish Freemasons )
http//www.frimurarorden.se/eng/grand_lodges_in_amity.htmlThis Link is kinda old.... But it shows u persons in picture, who they are ( I think )... Note to Noa also a picture of the Danish Freemasons ...
http//srjarchives.tripod.com/1997-08/Ciaug.htmI think is alot of fun to read those stuffs personally....
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Peace Noah, all
The solution for the problem you are exposing is in your last post KNOWLEDGE.
One has to strive to acquire more knowledge of the world around, with the laws governing it. It's the way to not get fooled by some "magicians", and moreover, to be able to survive and sail smoothely over the torrents. (jannatin tajri min tahtiha al-anharou)
How many of us know how to make fire without a lighter?
How many know how to produce or find our food, without going to the malls or groceries?
How many know how to build their house?
How many know how to heal themselves from minor illnesses?
and more...
This is where I believe I should spend my time searching and studying. It is simple to say that I am against this or that system, but are we able to survive without the confort it brings?
To make it simple, when one knows how to make a fire, he can choose to light up the way for others in the dark, or instead, to burn those who has different opinions than him without a right.
But for the one who doesn't know, he is at the mercy of the one that knows. And not everybody wants to KNOW, copying is much simpler for the majority.
This life is a test, it is not meant to be easy, unless for the ones that straighten their relation with the "all" and bring forth the necessary purifications. So you don't have to lean back, there is many knowledge and work out there.
PS. is it of any benefit to research this kind of conspiracies?
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Peace Noah, all
The solution for the problem you are exposing is in your last post KNOWLEDGE.
One has to strive to acquire more knowledge of the world around, with the laws governing it. It's the way to not get fooled by some "magicians", and moreover, to be able to survive and sail smoothely over the torrents. (jannatin tajri min tahtiha al-anharou)
How many of us know how to make fire without a lighter?
How many know how to produce or find our food, without going to the malls or groceries?
How many know how to build their house?
How many know how to heal themselves from minor illnesses?
and more...
This is where I believe I should spend my time searching and studying. It is simple to say that I am against this or that system, but are we able to survive without the confort it brings?
To make it simple, when one knows how to make a fire, he can choose to light up the way for others in the dark, or instead, to burn those who has different opinions than him without a right.
But for the one who doesn't know, he is at the mercy of the one that knows. And not everybody wants to KNOW, copying is much simpler for the majority.
This life is a test, it is not meant to be easy, unless for the ones that straighten their relation with the "all" and bring forth the necessary purifications. So you don't have to lean back, there is many knowledge and work out there.
PS. is it of any benefit to research this kind of conspiracies?
peace all. I thought i wasnt going to post again but, being the dramaqueen i am i will. Thank you D.C im looking at it
As for you someone. We are on excactly the same page, you just put it in much simpler terms. This way of life as we know it is going to go 2 ways.
1.turn into hell
2.abolishAnd then knowing how to take care of yourself will be the only knowledge worth having. the year 2008 to 2012 will bring changes none of us can belive. No im not a prophet or a messenger, far from it, im lower than any of you with knowledge. But i have done my homework into the occult, what they belive in and what calender they use. There IS a brother hood, there IS a conspiracy, but at the end of the day. What is important is as you rightly claim. What CAN i do when #### hits the fan.
Regards
NoahPsand i still owe omar a response, but unifying seems beyond aour capability at this point. All i can do and do, is awakening others to reality as it really is, and that is step 1. Next is teach them how to survive, and this is something i myself is in the learning process.
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Peace be u pon you Noah and all,
Yes, David Icke, Ive read a few of his books, well not entirely, but I've seen most of what you have written here. Yes, symbolism is VERY REAL and VERY OLD. All of it comes from the Oldest Philosophy of ancient Kemet(Egypt), but it deals with "knowledge of SELF" (Know Thyself). It is the same thing that this reading(quran) deals with and it is what all readings worth reading deal with. There are people who have this philosophy and are doing wicked things with this knowledge, because it is indeed very powerful. But many of the understandings of the symbolisms put forth are incorrect, based on this philosophy. I am not sure if David did that purposely, or if he just has not done his research properly.
One example which I will give is his theory of "reptile humans". Does anyone here no one? I don't expect any answers. The "reptile" understanding which he got wrong is based on the spiritually imature persons reliance on the reptilian brain, the oldest and first brain that humans have. The Mamalian Brain covers that and then the Cerebrum, which seperates the Human from reptiles and mammals. Its about BEHAVIOR, not about alien beings. There is much to say about this, but It woild take a long time and I am not sure people are interested in this line of discussion. But just realize that the whole "snake" tempting "Eve" is also another symbolism of this "reptile" brain. We are here to transcend the reptile and mammla brains, many do not do this and that is why this reading(quran), says that they are just like CATTLE(animals).
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Peace Idolfree,
I have read the concept of using the the reptilian brain and find it a more plausible theory...I simply outlined the similarity in the conclusion made with layth about a reptilian race that is visible to humans and mingles amongst them. Peace,
Omar
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peace all
I too think icke is putting forth some halfbaked arguments, and i think it is to sell his newage relegion that makes everybody God, wich would make him part of the misinformation league.. If you want to get more into it here is a good starting point.
http//www.hermetics.org/ebooks.html
However it is important to look into what runs society, and has shaped it the way it is. And the symbols tell a tale if you now how to decipher them.
As for the reptillian brain, thats a viewpoint, but none of us knows. It could be another race aswell, being that they where created before man. So first God created man with a reptillian brain and then he regretted and created man with a mammal brain? I dont get it?
Im open to possabilities, and try not to get stuck with any one explanation that i cannot confirm for myself.reagards
Noah